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Where is the Golden Rule in the Quran?

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    nurmuhammed
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    Not really, the Golden Rule is actually a moral principle. It is not an abstract idea. It is a very clear principle that guides your behavior and is a clear guideline about what you should do in different situations.

    Now if the Quran is sufficient for moral guidance, surely it should convey the Golden Rule somewhere among its Six thousand plus verses.

    I think you will be agree with me if I put statement in this way >

    The QURAN is in itself golden rule. So, it surely shall convey the actual moral principle and abstract idea of clear guideline.

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      Man_of_Faith
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      Peace,

      If you do not live by the rule of thumb 'love your neighbor as yourself' then you shall no longer call yourself muslim, it is not compatible with the religion of God.

      God bless you

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        Israfeel
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        Peace,

        If you do not live by the rule of thumb 'love your neighbor as yourself' then you shall no longer call yourself muslim, it is not compatible with the religion of God.

        God bless you

        So where is the Rule of Thumb in the Quran? Such an important rule that if you dont follow it you can no longer be a Muslim, but nowhere to be found in Quran??

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          Man_of_Faith
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          Peace,

          It is the whole context of the Quran. Have you missed it?

          God bless you

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            supportpeacenotwar
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            The Golden Rule permeates the whole of the Quran. One such example is dealing with kindness and justice those who do not drive you from your own homes or persecute you. That Allah swt loves those who act justly. (60/ That's just one example, look in the Quran and its everywhere from how to treat your parents and orphans, to not speaking ill of one another and treating each other EQUITABLY and with RECIPROCITY - if someone is good to us and helps us, it is only good to give that back if you can. Plus we also do good for the sake of Allah swt. Allah swt loves those who do good. Even with those who are complete deniers once truth has some to them in Surah Kafiroon we just, you to your way me to my way - this is the way we would want to be treated as well.

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              Israfeel
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              The Golden Rule permeates the whole of the Quran. One such example is dealing with kindness and justice those who do not drive you from your own homes or persecute you. That Allah swt loves those who act justly. (60/ That's just one example, look in the Quran and its everywhere from how to treat your parents and orphans, to not speaking ill of one another and treating each other EQUITABLY and with RECIPROCITY - if someone is good to us and helps us, it is only good to give that back if you can. Plus we also do good for the sake of Allah swt. Allah swt loves those who do good. Even with those who are complete deniers once truth has some to them in Surah Kafiroon we just, you to your way me to my way - this is the way we would want to be treated as well.

              You didn't understand the Golden Rule "treat others as you would have them treat you".

              Having justice, kindness, helping orphans etc., all of these are good things - but they are not the Golden Rule principle. Please understand this very important point - the Golden Rule is never stated in the Quran, only in Hadith.

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                nurmuhammed
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                Israfeel,

                I showed you the golden rule, are you going to send me the 1000 USD ?

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                  Israfeel
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                  Israfeel,

                  I showed you the golden rule, are you going to send me the 1000 USD ?

                  Which verse? Give me the verse that has Golden Rule, I will send you the money right away. But i cant send the money before you show the verse, you have to show me first.

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                    supportpeacenotwar
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                    You didn't understand the Golden Rule "treat others as you would have them treat you".

                    Having justice, kindness, helping orphans etc., all of these are good things - but they are not the Golden Rule principle. Please understand this very important point - the Golden Rule is never stated in the Quran, only in Hadith.

                    That's the thing - that whole way of treating people is how we would want to be treated. It's common sense...

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                      Israfeel
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                      That's the thing - that whole way of treating people is how we would want to be treated. It's common sense...

                      Of course its common sense. But why its not in Quran?

                      You say Quran is a perfect book and fully detailed? But no detail about the Golden Rule which you admit is so important??

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                        supportpeacenotwar
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                        That's because it's right there all the time... the Golden Rule is explained explicitly in terms of actual practices in relation to situations such as those I mentioned before or generally in terms of the behaviours of believers. Are you saying the practices in the Quran are not how you would want to be treated?

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                          Man_of_Faith
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                          Peace,

                          Why non-believers have no access to Quran. They cannot grasp it if it is not literally written out, and barely then they will understand.

                          God bless you

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                            nurmuhammed
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                            Which verse? Give me the verse that has Golden Rule, I will send you the money right away. But i cant send the money before you show the verse, you have to show me first.

                            I shall be pleased to do it >

                            861 If they seek peace, then you also seek it, and put your trust in God. He is the Hearer, the Knowledgeable.

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                              huruf
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                              So to make a long story short. You can't find the Golden Rule in the Holy Quran.

                              Of course I can find it, that what you call the golden rule, as if you were some kind of authority, but I am not going to look for it. If you think that the Qur'an is devoid of what you call a golden rule, that is too bad for you, not for me. As I said, I can do without your 1000$. You can go an dlook for it yourself and discard the Qur'an if you are not happy with it. I am not your big sister nor your guardian nor do I get a commission of collecting 1000$ from people who like that kind of toys. This is nto a boxing contest. And I repeat if you cannot find in the Qur'an what you think should be there, too bad for you. Really too bad for you, not for me.

                              People here have given you good, honest and sensible answers answers, but I guess you are not looking for good answers but for a victory of your superior genius. You look like a kid. I guess you are still one. Superior genius will not bring you closer to your Owner and Master. Humility and trust might be a greater help.

                              Salaam

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                                Sonny
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                                Salam alaikum

                                If someone can show me the Golden Rule "treat others as you wish to be treated" from the Quran I will personally send them a cheque for $1000 US.

                                However if you admit that the Golden Rule is not to be found in the Pure Quran, then you will have to admit that the text of the Quran is missing very important moral lessons and requires Hadith.

                                You are follower of wahhabi death cult or what?? - They are the only "muslims" who don't "treat others as you wish to be treated". Like killing atheists rotfl

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                                  unknownuser
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                                  Golden Rule?? hmm NICE term indeed.

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                                    Mazhar
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                                    You didn't understand the Golden Rule "treat others as you would have them treat you".

                                    Having justice, kindness, helping orphans etc., all of these are good things - but they are not the Golden Rule principle. Please understand this very important point - the Golden Rule is never stated in the Quran, only in Hadith.

                                    Grand Qur'aan lays down diamond rules. See this

                                    You turn back the evil misconduct-conjecture-hearsay with that conduct and discourse which is most beautifully poised-the best conduct.

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                                      mohf
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                                      2422
                                      And let not those of virtue among you and wealth swear not to give to their relatives and the needy and the emigrants for the cause of Allah , and let them pardon and overlook. Would you not like that Allah should forgive you? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
                                      Sahih International

                                      612-3
                                      O you who have believed, why do you say what you do not do?
                                      Great is hatred in the sight of Allah that you say what you do not do.
                                      Sahih International

                                      588
                                      Allah will not impose blame upon you for what is meaningless in your oaths, but He will impose blame upon you for what you intended of oaths. So its expiation is the feeding of ten needy people from the average of that which you feed your families or clothing them or the freeing of a slave. But whoever cannot find - then a fast of three days . That is the expiation for oaths when you have sworn. But guard your oaths. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be grateful.
                                      Sahih International

                                      Please send the thousand dollars through paypal to admin mohf nl, that is, if you are truthfull.

                                      But my experience tells me that Hadithers would never do that; its a sin for Hadithers to give money to jews, christians, mushrikeen, kafireen ... Including Quranists, because they do not believe in Abu Hurairah.

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                                        Maha
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                                        treat others as you want to be treated o

                                        what if someone is self destructive ? is it then OK for him to behave like that with other people as well according to the bible?

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                                          supportpeacenotwar
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                                          Peace Maha,

                                          I think implicit in the Golden Rule is doing good. For example, if one says patiently perserving refers to patiently doing evil... that would be a completely wrong interpretation of the message. We would say patience is a good goal to work towards and we would mean for good ends.


                                          A general point

                                          In the West, (this can apply to the whole world as well) where the Golden rule has apparently been predominant in Christianity, has this been applied? Imperialism has been used to plunder the resources of other nations to create wealth. Wars and complete disregard for human life - especially on different ethnic, religious etc grounds. Sanctions applied in such a way that brutalise people.

                                          Total lack of environmentalism - in the form of lack of reuse and recycling, to pollution and wasting resources. Fashion is actually a huge one in that regard because so much is wasted in the process of updating let alone the resources it takes to create things. Water is used for everything, and there's a lot more water used to create jeans etc than you might assume. Water is a very precious resource. I think we should also treat the environment with respect and I believe this is also part of the 'golden rule' in the Quran.

                                          Wealth and prosperity are so greatly admired or sought after by people in general both in modern times and the past they forget the Quran's message. But wealth, as I mentioned can be gained in the worst ways... would we want others to do this to us? And then others still admire the wealth we have? Haman (I think it is although it could be someone else) is admired by people for his wealth. However, he loses it all and I think he dies at the same time. And the believers say, it is not the wealth we should admire and they refer to God swt and belief in the last day and that Haman did not care about that.

                                          So in practice, has the Golden Rule been applied by those who say it is apparently more explicit in their scriptures? Or at least, it has been held in the traditions etc of the nation? Maybe that's something that should also considered a bit.

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