Where is the Golden Rule in the Quran?
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Salam alaikum
If someone can show me the Golden Rule "treat others as you wish to be treated" from the Quran I will personally send them a cheque for $1000 US.
However if you admit that the Golden Rule is not to be found in the Pure Quran, then you will have to admit that the text of the Quran is missing very important moral lessons and requires Hadith.
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I think there is some form of that injonction in the Qur'an, but I am not a great one at remembering what aya says what, but it does not bother me. I can do without those 1.000 dollar. Also, from the content of Qur'an it is too obvious what the behaviour of a sincere person, a sincere mumin with the other should be. Anybody can reinforce or remember or look at it anew the teachings that may come in any other good reading, no matter who wrote it or said it. What matters is the ocntent not whom it is attributed to. That is the reason why many of us are convinced by the Qur'an, the content.
On the other hand it seems like a an unsound way to go about it. You have a book which according to your own belief comes from God and find something missing in it and you go around fishing for it somewhere else. I f is so important, you should find it in God's book and if it is not, why do you think you have to fish for that particular injonction? Specially since the very God says in the Qur'an that the Qur'an is complete. It is obvious that you are missing something in the reaidng of the Qur'an.
On the other hand, nobody denies, at least many do not deny that there are some or even many contents in that heteroceneous heaping of things called improperly with the same generic name of hadith, there are sublime words, but those that are sublime, what they do is throw light and inspire, they do not institute rules that believer should obey. The pretension that those "hadith" should be used to derive rules is a mocking of God's revelation, as the previous poster has well shown. Nobody can declare an obligation that God has not declared so, nor prohibit what God has not prohibited. To do that, as far as I am concerned is shirk, clear shirk. That is, human communities can deliberate and reach they conclusion that something under some circumstances should be prohibited but not as a religious or divine prohibition, but as their own human rule for that time and place. But to say that that is imposed by God would clearly be shirk. It is shirk to make attribute the capacity to declare something as a divine rule that God has not dictated. Purported human rules, are not divines rules, therefore cannot be imposed on God's authority.
Also God has not vouchsafed for
Salaam any other thing than the Qur'an, therefore there is no guarantee of anything outside the Qur'an being authentic.
At any rate I reiterate that as far as I can remember, good, sublime hadith usually do not institute or give or condone imposing any rule on anybody apart from the Qur'an, they do however contain inspirational, wise, enlightening words for the believer, but not obligations or prohibitions. We are free to profit from that inspiration and wisdom, but we invent divine rules at our own peril, and of course, if we attempt to impose those rules of ours on others, we are trespassing our limits.
Salaam
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I think there is some form of that injonction in the Qur'an, but I am not a great one at remembering what aya says what, but it does not bother me. I can do without those 1.000 dollar. Also, from the content of Qur'an it is too obvious what the behaviour of a sincere person, a sincere mumin with the other should be. Anybody can reinforce or remember or look at it anew the teachings that may come in any other good reading, no matter who wrote it or said it. What matters is the ocntent not whom it is attributed to. That is the reason why many of us are convinced by the Qur'an, the content.
On the other hand it seems like a an unsound way to go about it. You have a book which according to your own belief comes from God and find something missing in it and you go around fishing for it somewhere else. I f is so important, you should find it in God's book and if it is not, why do you think you have to fish for that particular injonction? Specially since the very God says in the Qur'an that the Qur'an is complete. It is obvious that you are missing something in the reaidng of the Qur'an.
On the other hand, nobody denies, at least many do not deny that there are some or even many contents in that heteroceneous heaping of things called improperly with the same generic name of hadith, there are sublime words, but those that are sublime, what they do is throw light and inspire, they do not institute rules that believer should obey. The pretension that those "hadith" should be used to derive rules is a mocking of God's revelation, as the previous poster has well shown. Nobody can declare an obligation that God has not declared so, nor prohibit what God has not prohibited. To do that, as far as I am concerned is shirk, clear shirk. That is, human communities can deliberate and reach they conclusion that something under some circumstances should be prohibited but not as a religious or divine prohibition, but as their own human rule for that time and place. But to say that that is imposed by God would clearly be shirk. It is shirk to make attribute the capacity to declare something as a divine rule that God has not dictated. Purported human rules, are not divines rules, therefore cannot be imposed on God's authority.
Also God has not vouchsafed for
Salaam any other thing than the Qur'an, therefore there is no guarantee of anything outside the Qur'an being authentic.
At any rate I reiterate that as far as I can remember, good, sublime hadith usually do not institute or give or condone imposing any rule on anybody apart from the Qur'an, they do however contain inspirational, wise, enlightening words for the believer, but not obligations or prohibitions. We are free to profit from that inspiration and wisdom, but we invent divine rules at our own peril, and of course, if we attempt to impose those rules of ours on others, we are trespassing our limits.
Salaam
So to make a long story short. You can't find the Golden Rule in the Holy Quran.
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Peace,
Who talked about a "Golden Rule"?
The whole Quran talks about peacemaking. You should be as respectful and calm as you possibly can under all circumstances. Forgive rather than punish. It is all common contents of Quran.
Still, where does hadith enter the picture?
Need not read hadith to use your brain.
God bless you
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Peace,
Who talked about a "Golden Rule"?
The whole Quran talks about peacemaking. You should be as respectful and calm as you possibly can under all circumstances. Forgive rather than punish. It is all common contents of Quran.
Still, where does hadith enter the picture?
Need not read hadith to use your brain.
God bless you
The Golden Rule is recognized as the universal principle of humanity. All religions and humanistic philosophies teach the Golden Rule. For example the Bible says "Love thy neighbor as thyself".
My question is that if the religion of Quran-onlyism is also a good religion that accepts the universal principle of humanity known as the Golden Rule, then where is the Golden Rule written in the Quran?
Remember the Golden Rule states "Treat others as you would have them treat you" Makes sense and all humans accept it as the essence of morality. Yet its missing from Quran??
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Peace,
You will find the statement to be true if you read the Quran. Why the question?
If you choose to read it too literally you will never understand this. It is the same mistake people did in the time of Jesus when they interpreted the ancient Mosaic law. The Golden Rule is the outcome of reading the Message.
Any blessed man can tell the Truth, Jesus was blessed abundantly.
Muhammad was blessed with the Quran from which he could recite Wisdom and Knowledge. He would not have been looking to another source than the Message which was being revealed to him.
Jesus uttered the same Wisdom and Knowledge but he did not write any book, his words came right out of his mouth since he was that strong in the Holy Spirit, he was basically a powerhouse in that regard. He even spoke in the cradle.
Loving your neighbor as yourself is one of the commandments. It pretty much speaks for itself. It is not the only thing you must do, but it is a good start.
God bless you
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The Golden Rule is recognized as the universal principle of humanity. All religions and humanistic philosophies teach the Golden Rule. For example the Bible says "Love thy neighbor as thyself".
My question is that if the religion of Quran-onlyism is also a good religion that accepts the universal principle of humanity known as the Golden Rule, then where is the Golden Rule written in the Quran?
Remember the Golden Rule states "Treat others as you would have them treat you" Makes sense and all humans accept it as the essence of morality. Yet its missing from Quran??
I think you're missing the point.
The point of Golden Rule - is more about idea, thought, the process of developing abstract rules or mental constructs based on sensory experience.
This concept describes a "reciprocal", or "two-way", relationship between one's self and others that involves both sides equally, and in a mutual fashion.
This concept can be explained from the perspective of psychology, philosophy, sociology and religion.And in the QURAN we are able to find all set of statements that makes intelligible the existence or occurrence of an object, event, or state of affairs.
with peace,
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I think you're missing the point.
The point of Golden Rule - is more about idea, thought, the process of developing abstract rules or mental constructs based on sensory experience.
This concept describes a "reciprocal", or "two-way", relationship between one's self and others that involves both sides equally, and in a mutual fashion.
This concept can be explained from the perspective of psychology, philosophy, sociology and religion.And in the QURAN we are able to find all set of statements that makes intelligible the existence or occurrence of an object, event, or state of affairs.
with peace,
n.p.Not really, the Golden Rule is actually a moral principle. It is not an abstract idea. It is a very clear principle that guides your behavior and is a clear guideline about what you should do in different situations.
Now if the Quran is sufficient for moral guidance, surely it should convey the Golden Rule somewhere among its Six thousand plus verses.
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Not really, the Golden Rule is actually a moral principle. It is not an abstract idea. It is a very clear principle that guides your behavior and is a clear guideline about what you should do in different situations.
Now if the Quran is sufficient for moral guidance, surely it should convey the Golden Rule somewhere among its Six thousand plus verses.
I think you will be agree with me if I put statement in this way >
The QURAN is in itself golden rule. So, it surely shall convey the actual moral principle and abstract idea of clear guideline.
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Peace,
If you do not live by the rule of thumb 'love your neighbor as yourself' then you shall no longer call yourself muslim, it is not compatible with the religion of God.
God bless you
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Peace,
If you do not live by the rule of thumb 'love your neighbor as yourself' then you shall no longer call yourself muslim, it is not compatible with the religion of God.
God bless you
So where is the Rule of Thumb in the Quran? Such an important rule that if you dont follow it you can no longer be a Muslim, but nowhere to be found in Quran??
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Peace,
It is the whole context of the Quran. Have you missed it?
God bless you
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The Golden Rule permeates the whole of the Quran. One such example is dealing with kindness and justice those who do not drive you from your own homes or persecute you. That Allah swt loves those who act justly. (60/ That's just one example, look in the Quran and its everywhere from how to treat your parents and orphans, to not speaking ill of one another and treating each other EQUITABLY and with RECIPROCITY - if someone is good to us and helps us, it is only good to give that back if you can. Plus we also do good for the sake of Allah swt. Allah swt loves those who do good. Even with those who are complete deniers once truth has some to them in Surah Kafiroon we just, you to your way me to my way - this is the way we would want to be treated as well.
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The Golden Rule permeates the whole of the Quran. One such example is dealing with kindness and justice those who do not drive you from your own homes or persecute you. That Allah swt loves those who act justly. (60/ That's just one example, look in the Quran and its everywhere from how to treat your parents and orphans, to not speaking ill of one another and treating each other EQUITABLY and with RECIPROCITY - if someone is good to us and helps us, it is only good to give that back if you can. Plus we also do good for the sake of Allah swt. Allah swt loves those who do good. Even with those who are complete deniers once truth has some to them in Surah Kafiroon we just, you to your way me to my way - this is the way we would want to be treated as well.
You didn't understand the Golden Rule "treat others as you would have them treat you".
Having justice, kindness, helping orphans etc., all of these are good things - but they are not the Golden Rule principle. Please understand this very important point - the Golden Rule is never stated in the Quran, only in Hadith.
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Israfeel,
I showed you the golden rule, are you going to send me the 1000 USD ?
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You didn't understand the Golden Rule "treat others as you would have them treat you".
Having justice, kindness, helping orphans etc., all of these are good things - but they are not the Golden Rule principle. Please understand this very important point - the Golden Rule is never stated in the Quran, only in Hadith.
That's the thing - that whole way of treating people is how we would want to be treated. It's common sense...
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That's the thing - that whole way of treating people is how we would want to be treated. It's common sense...
Of course its common sense. But why its not in Quran?
You say Quran is a perfect book and fully detailed? But no detail about the Golden Rule which you admit is so important??
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That's because it's right there all the time... the Golden Rule is explained explicitly in terms of actual practices in relation to situations such as those I mentioned before or generally in terms of the behaviours of believers. Are you saying the practices in the Quran are not how you would want to be treated?
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Peace,
Why non-believers have no access to Quran. They cannot grasp it if it is not literally written out, and barely then they will understand.
God bless you