What is God's role with Born Disabled?
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...the issue is DrFazl here is coming off as a raving extremist.
- They had nothing against them, except that they believed in Allah, the All-Mighty, Worthy of all Praise!
I had nothing against anyone except that I believed in Allah, the Almighty, worthy of all Praise! And that I stood by that.
- And when Our Clear Verses are recited to them, you will notice a denial on the faces of the haters! They are nearly ready to attack with violence those who recite Our Verses to them.
Raving extremist! Literal Extremist Disease! Can you back these up with verses to support you in the least?
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And if Allah touches you with a disease, none can remove it but He, and if He touches you with care, then He is Able to do all things.
If people prefer to choose doctors' way over God's they are free to do so. It is because
There is no compulsion in choosing the way of life. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever rejects satan and believes in Allah, only then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
Why is the doctors way and God's way mutually exclusive? If you get bit by a rabid dog, will you or won't you get an anti-rabies injection administered by a doctor? If you get an infection, will you or won't you get an antibiotic that helps you beat that infection? Where does God say lie down, suffer and die; if I'm pushed enough to save you magically I will or it's curtains? People can beat some stuff naturally obviously or the human race wouldn't survive but that is NOT the point anyone is making...the point is that knowledge and improvements compared to how we used to do stuff back in the good old days exist and God never said it was an unforgivable sin to use these resources. How does God touch you anyways? Is it all magic or does He or can He use other sources to do so? The answer is obvious.
- They had nothing against them, except that they believed in Allah, the All-Mighty, Worthy of all Praise!
I had nothing against anyone except that I believed in Allah, the Almighty, worthy of all Praise! And that I stood by that.
- And when Our Clear Verses are recited to them, you will notice a denial on the faces of the haters! They are nearly ready to attack with violence those who recite Our Verses to them.
Raving extremist! Literal Extremist Disease! Can you back these up with verses to support you in the least?
I don't need to copy paste verses that are irrelevant to the situation unlike some to bolster my statements and give them some sort of misplaced cred. Once again, you are coming off as a literal extremist based on your posts. For more evidence I'd link the emoticon thread but I suppose you'd remember that fiasco.
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Why is the doctors way and God's way mutually exclusive? If you get bit by a rabid dog, will you or won't you get an anti-rabies injection administered by a doctor? If you get an infection, will you or won't you get an antibiotic that helps you beat that infection? Where does God say lie down, suffer and die; if I'm pushed enough to save you magically I will or it's curtains?
What I have been asserting is God's way is exclusively decisive while the doctors' ways are potentially delusive. An anti rabies by itself has the potential to cause rabies and anti rabies injection is protecting against rabies is myth in many cases; and you shall know the MM says vaccine against polio causes poliomyelitis, terming the occurrence as VAPP - Vaccine Associated Paralytic Polio. And for your information most infections are becoming in curable today. And God says
And if Allah touches you with a disease, none can remove it but He, and if He touches you with care, then He is Able to do all things.
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Justamuslim,
I believe in "God Alone". You believe in "God Also" along with doctors for health care and for safety from death. This is a grave sin God will never forgive. You will not take risk by believing in God Alone without involving in association; I say it is a sin so stay away from doctors and the ways of the majority people. You began countering forcefully and your post as a whole is the evidence. Please do not take it wrong that I meant you are full of hate towards God.
fazl
God says that going to a doctor is a grave sin? I am sure being that you truly follow God Alone and have read the Koran, you know the consequences of attributing things to God. And also making false accusations without evidence.
Again how am I full of hate towards God? Because I don't hold your hatred towards doctors and buy your baseless, false claims that means I hate God and have full of hate towards God alone? Is this what you are saying?
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What I have been asserting is God's way is exclusively decisive while the doctors' ways are potentially delusive. An anti rabies by itself has the potential to cause rabies and anti rabies injection is protecting against rabies is myth in many cases; and you shall know the MM says vaccine against polio causes poliomyelitis, terming the occurrence as VAPP - Vaccine Associated Paralytic Polio. And for your information most infections are becoming in curable today. And God says
And if Allah touches you with a disease, none can remove it but He, and if He touches you with care, then He is Able to do all things.
Drfazl, where do you get your information?
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Here's some info that drfazl has not said about the polio vaccine
Before invention of the polio vaccine, 13,000 to 20,000 people were paralyzed by polio, and about 1,000 people died from it each year in the United States. Two main types of polio vaccination have been used injection with killed polioviruses (IPV) or swallowing weakened (attenuated) polioviruses (OPV). Widespread vaccination has eliminated polio from the U.S. and the entire Western Hemisphere1, although it remains a threat in a few remaining countries in Africa and South East Asia.
However, about 1 out of 2.4 million doses of OPV distributed in the US, caused vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP).3 This is because OPV contains live-attenuated viruses that sometimes become neurovirulent?cause paralysis?again.4 Immune-compromised people are at increased risk for VAPP and may shed neurovirulent viruses for years. Continuous circulation of OPV-derived viruses in populations with poor hygiene and low immunity levels can lead to rare outbreaks of polio.2
In the United States, a new polio vaccine schedule was recommended in 1997 using both IPV and OPV3. Then, in 2000, an all-IPV schedule was recommended.5 OPV is no longer recommended and is not available for routine use in the US, although it is widely used elsewhere.
OPV continues to be used in countries where polio infections still occur and may be used if there were to be an outbreak in the United States?as OPV is felt by many to be the preferred vaccine to contain an outbreak. The World Health Organization estimates between 250 and 500 cases of VAPP occur each year worldwide.6
References
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine
http//www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-safety/post-polio-syndrome-vaccine-associated-paralytic-polio-and-poliomyelitis-elimi -
I had nothing against anyone except that I believed in Allah, the Almighty, worthy of all Praise! And that I stood by that.
Raving extremist! Literal Extremist Disease! Can you back these up with verses to support you in the least?
I suggest that you go back and read your posts. You have called doctors shaitaans, evil. You have a lot against doctors. You called me names, putting me down, insulting me, accusing me of hating God when I called you out on your false claims, asking you to explain, providing evidence.
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Justamuslim,
I believe in "God Alone". You believe in "God Also" along with doctors for health care and for safety from death. This is a grave sin God will never forgive. You will not take risk by believing in God Alone without involving in association; I say it is a sin so stay away from doctors and the ways of the majority people. You began countering forcefully and your post as a whole is the evidence. Please do not take it wrong that I meant you are full of hate towards God.
fazl
exposing your false claims (ex all mutations are caused by doctors) and exposing you, drfazl - you consider that "countering forcefully"? Do you feel being "attacked" Drfazl? Every time you say something, here I am providing information giving a more complete picture, questioning your claims, asking you to provide evidence, calling you out and on your behavior.
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God says that going to a doctor is a grave sin? I am sure being that you truly follow God Alone and have read the Koran, you know the consequences of attributing things to God. And also making false accusations without evidence.
Again how am I full of hate towards God? Because I don't hold your hatred towards doctors and buy your baseless, false claims that means I hate God and have full of hate towards God alone? Is this what you are saying?
Justamuslim, read post # 87 my answer is clear. I believe in God-Alone; You believe in God-Also. I refer to your hatred Against God-Alone. Is that clear to you? Read again.
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Here's some info that drfazl has not said about the polio vaccine
Before invention of the polio vaccine, 13,000 to 20,000 people were paralyzed by polio, and about 1,000 people died from it each year in the United States. Two main types of polio vaccination have been used injection with killed polioviruses (IPV) or swallowing weakened (attenuated) polioviruses (OPV). Widespread vaccination has eliminated polio from the U.S. and the entire Western Hemisphere1, although it remains a threat in a few remaining countries in Africa and South East Asia.
However, about 1 out of 2.4 million doses of OPV distributed in the US, caused vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP).3 This is because OPV contains live-attenuated viruses that sometimes become neurovirulent?cause paralysis?again.4 Immune-compromised people are at increased risk for VAPP and may shed neurovirulent viruses for years. Continuous circulation of OPV-derived viruses in populations with poor hygiene and low immunity levels can lead to rare outbreaks of polio.2
In the United States, a new polio vaccine schedule was recommended in 1997 using both IPV and OPV3. Then, in 2000, an all-IPV schedule was recommended.5 OPV is no longer recommended and is not available for routine use in the US, although it is widely used elsewhere.
OPV continues to be used in countries where polio infections still occur and may be used if there were to be an outbreak in the United States?as OPV is felt by many to be the preferred vaccine to contain an outbreak. The World Health Organization estimates between 250 and 500 cases of VAPP occur each year worldwide.6
References
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine
http//www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-safety/post-polio-syndrome-vaccine-associated-paralytic-polio-and-poliomyelitis-elimiThanks for endorsing my view that MM is still not sure what to do when they change the vaccination program and patterns so many times and wait for a few more years, they would change their strategy of vaccination and. They would keep doing it endlessly. This is scientific approach.
If you seriously want to discuss the issue of vaccination start from the scratch. I am ready to discuss MM's monkey business thoroughly.
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I suggest that you go back and read your posts. You have called doctors shaitaans, evil. You have a lot against doctors. You called me names, putting me down, insulting me, accusing me of hating God when I called you out on your false claims, asking you to explain, providing evidence.
I have a whole lot of things against MM's idiocy as its policy and hypotheses for treating patients. You ask me to go back and read my own posts when you do not do the same. After my explanation to your query you seem to pose the same question over and over again...
When I tried explaining you little by little starting from my # post 87, without answering you drove me back to provide evidence that you hated God. Now suddenly you jump back to MM subject and say "I am explaining this and that!" You see my post I have given 2272 which says about mentioning God Alone, makes the haters angry. Even now I say I am against "God-Also" category. Calling you as God hater is wrong I know. I am referring you as God Alone hater. Read 14 and see for yourself if you could seek the Help of others other than the God?
First confirm and fix which subject you want to discuss and then stick to that topic.
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What I have been asserting is God's way is exclusively decisive while the doctors' ways are potentially delusive. An anti rabies by itself has the potential to cause rabies and anti rabies injection is protecting against rabies is myth in many cases; and you shall know the MM says vaccine against polio causes poliomyelitis, terming the occurrence as VAPP - Vaccine Associated Paralytic Polio. And for your information most infections are becoming in curable today. And God says
And if Allah touches you with a disease, none can remove it but He, and if He touches you with care, then He is Able to do all things.
People also used naturally occurring small pox scabs to protect themselves from smallpox with some dying after...your point doesn't stand. Apparently according to you, everyone should've just died of small pox rather than do anything about it because doing anything other than waiting for a miraculous healing is an unforgivable sin.
Which means till the end of the world, it is substandard.
God is Well Aware, Wise.
Knowledge during our lives is evolving (for most people) which is a fact of life. This is how we learn. You want to call that substandard go ahead. Just don't proclaim that going to a doctor is an unforgivable sin which as justamuslim pointed out, is forbidding what God did NOT forbid. You have no verse that says so...applying liberal doses of literal extremism to verses does not cut it.You have called doctors shaitaans, evil. You have a lot against doctors.
I'm just surprised at the black and white picture being painted to such an extent. It reminds me of certain people talking about walking to places rather than flying because if God had wanted man to fly, He'd have given them wings. Which is all well and good really, whatever floats their boat...at least they don't stand around on a pulpit calling down hellfire on airplanes, pilots, cabin crew and the people who fly in the death birds. -
Peace Savage-Carrot
I'm neutral in this thread and medical is not my field, but as moderator you may also as neutral as you can, so the members in this forum can feel comfartable.
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People also used naturally occurring small pox scabs to protect themselves from smallpox with some dying after...your point doesn't stand. Apparently according to you, everyone should've just died of small pox rather than do anything about it because doing anything other than waiting for a miraculous healing is an unforgivable sin. O
Knowledge during our lives is evolving (for most people) which is a fact of life. This is how we learn. You want to call that substandard go ahead. Just don't proclaim that going to a doctor is an unforgivable sin which as justamuslim pointed out, is forbidding what God did NOT forbid. You have no verse that says so...applying liberal doses of literal extremism to verses does not cut it.
I'm just surprised at the black and white picture being painted to such an extent. It reminds me of certain people talking about walking to places rather than flying because if God had wanted man to fly, He'd have given them wings. Which is all well and good really, whatever floats their boat...at least they don't stand around on a pulpit calling down hellfire on airplanes, pilots, cabin crew and the people who fly in the death birds.Please read and naswer the previous post #106
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Peace Savage-Carrot
I'm neutral in this thread and medical is not my field, but as moderator you may also as neutral as you can, so the members in this forum can feel comfartable.
I'm not moderating this thread, I'm participating in it.
Please read and naswer the previous post #106
What has this got to do with going to a doctor being an unforgivable sin according to you? Where does it say that? If you want to discuss 'vaccination scams', we can start a new thread.
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Aoa Nadia & justamuslim
You must have a patient of a saint (no pun intended). Debating with someone for almost 12 pages when they won't answer a simple question regarding Down's syndrome. Then I suppose modern medicine has not found a cure for someone who is full six short of half a dozen.
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Ws SL,
I'm just a newbie, it's justamuslim that's probably chucked her pc out the window by now. Or phone.
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God says that going to a doctor is a grave sin?
Yes. When Allah says He would not forgive associating the doctors with Him when He is the Curer and none but He is, as Curer unto you.
Is it not a grave sin, then? It is. Where do you differ?
I am sure being that you truly follow God Alone and have read the Koran, you know the consequences of attributing things to God. And also making false accusations without evidence.
Where is the question of false accusation when you are questioning how it is possible to cure life threatening diseases without application of human medical knowledge? Is it not true? Don't you question God's ability to heal, cure, or eradicate any affliction? If you say you had not questioned say so, and my apologies to you in advance.
Again how am I full of hate towards God? Because I don't hold your hatred towards doctors and buy your baseless, false claims that means I hate God and have full of hate towards God alone? Is this what you are saying?
How many times do i need to tell you, you hatred os towards God Alone against God Also. Don't you understand the difference in the meanings between GOD ALSO and GOD ALONE? If you really don't, tell me. I apologise for having started a debate with you.