What is God's role with Born Disabled?
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Justamuslim,
I believe in "God Alone". You believe in "God Also" along with doctors for health care and for safety from death. This is a grave sin God will never forgive. You will not take risk by believing in God Alone without involving in association; I say it is a sin so stay away from doctors and the ways of the majority people. You began countering forcefully and your post as a whole is the evidence. Please do not take it wrong that I meant you are full of hate towards God.
fazl
To go to a doctor for health care or to believe he might know what he's doing...is a grave sin? I believe some people might have LED (Literal Extremist Disease). It is a disease and not a symptom (unlike a fever) and one that might possibly be cured with time and effort.
- So if you gain the mastery over MM in war, punish them severely in order to disperse those who are behind them, so that they may learn a lesson.
What is MM? Is the & missing? Are we talking about whipping chocolate because I'm alright with that...Ms. Green has been naughty.
- So if you gain the mastery over MM in war, punish them severely in order to disperse those who are behind them, so that they may learn a lesson.
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To go to a doctor for health care or to believe he might know what he's doing...is a grave sin? I believe some people might have LED (Literal Extremist Disease). It is a disease and not a symptom (unlike a fever) and one that might possibly be cured with time and effort.
What is MM? Is the & missing? Are we talking about whipping chocolate because I'm alright with that...Ms. Green has been naughty.Peace savage_carrot,
I'm not sure if this is what you mean but I too think there has to be a balance. We have skills and knowledge for a reason. And God's work is done in many ways. Having said that, I think some types of medicine are given preference over others when in fact what is considered more 'natural' can work just as effectively for certain types of conditions etc as what is now called 'conventional' medicine.
Of course, in whichever way we gain help - we know that it is all ultimately from Allah swt, as Allah created that person, Allah swt grants knowledge as referred to in the Quran.
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Peace savage_carrot,
I'm not sure if this is what you mean but I too think there has to be a balance. We have skills and knowledge for a reason. And God's work is done in many ways. Having said that, I think some types of medicine are given preference over others when in fact what is considered more 'natural' can work just as effectively for certain types of conditions etc as what is now called 'conventional' medicine.
Of course, in whichever way we gain help - we know that it is all ultimately from Allah swt, as Allah created that person, Allah swt grants knowledge as referred to in the Quran.
Totally agree with you peacenotwar, I've always been of the balance camp myself...the issue is DrFazl here is coming off as a raving extremist. Hopefully, he can assure all of us that he believes that doctors are not all the spawn of satan and so on. And that medicine has its benefits as well as its dark side etc etc.
Salaamun alayki sis,
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peace oneandonly,
It should be kept in mind that each person will be judged according to how they conducted themselves with what they have been given.
6165 And He is the One who made you inheritors on Earth, and He raised some of you over others in grades, to test you with what He had given you. Your Lord is swift in punishment, and He is Forgiving, Merciful.
There are likely other verses also.
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To go to a doctor for health care or to believe he might know what he's doing...is a grave sin? I believe some people might have LED (Literal Extremist Disease). It is a disease and not a symptom (unlike a fever) and one that might possibly be cured with time and effort.
What is MM? Is the & missing? Are we talking about whipping chocolate because I'm alright with that...Ms. Green has been naughty.And if Allah touches you with a disease, none can remove it but He, and if He touches you with care, then He is Able to do all things.
If people prefer to choose doctors' way over God's they are free to do so. It is because
There is no compulsion in choosing the way of life. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever rejects satan and believes in Allah, only then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
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...the issue is DrFazl here is coming off as a raving extremist.
- They had nothing against them, except that they believed in Allah, the All-Mighty, Worthy of all Praise!
I had nothing against anyone except that I believed in Allah, the Almighty, worthy of all Praise! And that I stood by that.
- And when Our Clear Verses are recited to them, you will notice a denial on the faces of the haters! They are nearly ready to attack with violence those who recite Our Verses to them.
Raving extremist! Literal Extremist Disease! Can you back these up with verses to support you in the least?
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And if Allah touches you with a disease, none can remove it but He, and if He touches you with care, then He is Able to do all things.
If people prefer to choose doctors' way over God's they are free to do so. It is because
There is no compulsion in choosing the way of life. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever rejects satan and believes in Allah, only then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
Why is the doctors way and God's way mutually exclusive? If you get bit by a rabid dog, will you or won't you get an anti-rabies injection administered by a doctor? If you get an infection, will you or won't you get an antibiotic that helps you beat that infection? Where does God say lie down, suffer and die; if I'm pushed enough to save you magically I will or it's curtains? People can beat some stuff naturally obviously or the human race wouldn't survive but that is NOT the point anyone is making...the point is that knowledge and improvements compared to how we used to do stuff back in the good old days exist and God never said it was an unforgivable sin to use these resources. How does God touch you anyways? Is it all magic or does He or can He use other sources to do so? The answer is obvious.
- They had nothing against them, except that they believed in Allah, the All-Mighty, Worthy of all Praise!
I had nothing against anyone except that I believed in Allah, the Almighty, worthy of all Praise! And that I stood by that.
- And when Our Clear Verses are recited to them, you will notice a denial on the faces of the haters! They are nearly ready to attack with violence those who recite Our Verses to them.
Raving extremist! Literal Extremist Disease! Can you back these up with verses to support you in the least?
I don't need to copy paste verses that are irrelevant to the situation unlike some to bolster my statements and give them some sort of misplaced cred. Once again, you are coming off as a literal extremist based on your posts. For more evidence I'd link the emoticon thread but I suppose you'd remember that fiasco.
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Why is the doctors way and God's way mutually exclusive? If you get bit by a rabid dog, will you or won't you get an anti-rabies injection administered by a doctor? If you get an infection, will you or won't you get an antibiotic that helps you beat that infection? Where does God say lie down, suffer and die; if I'm pushed enough to save you magically I will or it's curtains?
What I have been asserting is God's way is exclusively decisive while the doctors' ways are potentially delusive. An anti rabies by itself has the potential to cause rabies and anti rabies injection is protecting against rabies is myth in many cases; and you shall know the MM says vaccine against polio causes poliomyelitis, terming the occurrence as VAPP - Vaccine Associated Paralytic Polio. And for your information most infections are becoming in curable today. And God says
And if Allah touches you with a disease, none can remove it but He, and if He touches you with care, then He is Able to do all things.
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Justamuslim,
I believe in "God Alone". You believe in "God Also" along with doctors for health care and for safety from death. This is a grave sin God will never forgive. You will not take risk by believing in God Alone without involving in association; I say it is a sin so stay away from doctors and the ways of the majority people. You began countering forcefully and your post as a whole is the evidence. Please do not take it wrong that I meant you are full of hate towards God.
fazl
God says that going to a doctor is a grave sin? I am sure being that you truly follow God Alone and have read the Koran, you know the consequences of attributing things to God. And also making false accusations without evidence.
Again how am I full of hate towards God? Because I don't hold your hatred towards doctors and buy your baseless, false claims that means I hate God and have full of hate towards God alone? Is this what you are saying?
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What I have been asserting is God's way is exclusively decisive while the doctors' ways are potentially delusive. An anti rabies by itself has the potential to cause rabies and anti rabies injection is protecting against rabies is myth in many cases; and you shall know the MM says vaccine against polio causes poliomyelitis, terming the occurrence as VAPP - Vaccine Associated Paralytic Polio. And for your information most infections are becoming in curable today. And God says
And if Allah touches you with a disease, none can remove it but He, and if He touches you with care, then He is Able to do all things.
Drfazl, where do you get your information?
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Here's some info that drfazl has not said about the polio vaccine
Before invention of the polio vaccine, 13,000 to 20,000 people were paralyzed by polio, and about 1,000 people died from it each year in the United States. Two main types of polio vaccination have been used injection with killed polioviruses (IPV) or swallowing weakened (attenuated) polioviruses (OPV). Widespread vaccination has eliminated polio from the U.S. and the entire Western Hemisphere1, although it remains a threat in a few remaining countries in Africa and South East Asia.
However, about 1 out of 2.4 million doses of OPV distributed in the US, caused vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP).3 This is because OPV contains live-attenuated viruses that sometimes become neurovirulent?cause paralysis?again.4 Immune-compromised people are at increased risk for VAPP and may shed neurovirulent viruses for years. Continuous circulation of OPV-derived viruses in populations with poor hygiene and low immunity levels can lead to rare outbreaks of polio.2
In the United States, a new polio vaccine schedule was recommended in 1997 using both IPV and OPV3. Then, in 2000, an all-IPV schedule was recommended.5 OPV is no longer recommended and is not available for routine use in the US, although it is widely used elsewhere.
OPV continues to be used in countries where polio infections still occur and may be used if there were to be an outbreak in the United States?as OPV is felt by many to be the preferred vaccine to contain an outbreak. The World Health Organization estimates between 250 and 500 cases of VAPP occur each year worldwide.6
References
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine
http//www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-safety/post-polio-syndrome-vaccine-associated-paralytic-polio-and-poliomyelitis-elimi -
I had nothing against anyone except that I believed in Allah, the Almighty, worthy of all Praise! And that I stood by that.
Raving extremist! Literal Extremist Disease! Can you back these up with verses to support you in the least?
I suggest that you go back and read your posts. You have called doctors shaitaans, evil. You have a lot against doctors. You called me names, putting me down, insulting me, accusing me of hating God when I called you out on your false claims, asking you to explain, providing evidence.
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Justamuslim,
I believe in "God Alone". You believe in "God Also" along with doctors for health care and for safety from death. This is a grave sin God will never forgive. You will not take risk by believing in God Alone without involving in association; I say it is a sin so stay away from doctors and the ways of the majority people. You began countering forcefully and your post as a whole is the evidence. Please do not take it wrong that I meant you are full of hate towards God.
fazl
exposing your false claims (ex all mutations are caused by doctors) and exposing you, drfazl - you consider that "countering forcefully"? Do you feel being "attacked" Drfazl? Every time you say something, here I am providing information giving a more complete picture, questioning your claims, asking you to provide evidence, calling you out and on your behavior.
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God says that going to a doctor is a grave sin? I am sure being that you truly follow God Alone and have read the Koran, you know the consequences of attributing things to God. And also making false accusations without evidence.
Again how am I full of hate towards God? Because I don't hold your hatred towards doctors and buy your baseless, false claims that means I hate God and have full of hate towards God alone? Is this what you are saying?
Justamuslim, read post # 87 my answer is clear. I believe in God-Alone; You believe in God-Also. I refer to your hatred Against God-Alone. Is that clear to you? Read again.
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Here's some info that drfazl has not said about the polio vaccine
Before invention of the polio vaccine, 13,000 to 20,000 people were paralyzed by polio, and about 1,000 people died from it each year in the United States. Two main types of polio vaccination have been used injection with killed polioviruses (IPV) or swallowing weakened (attenuated) polioviruses (OPV). Widespread vaccination has eliminated polio from the U.S. and the entire Western Hemisphere1, although it remains a threat in a few remaining countries in Africa and South East Asia.
However, about 1 out of 2.4 million doses of OPV distributed in the US, caused vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP).3 This is because OPV contains live-attenuated viruses that sometimes become neurovirulent?cause paralysis?again.4 Immune-compromised people are at increased risk for VAPP and may shed neurovirulent viruses for years. Continuous circulation of OPV-derived viruses in populations with poor hygiene and low immunity levels can lead to rare outbreaks of polio.2
In the United States, a new polio vaccine schedule was recommended in 1997 using both IPV and OPV3. Then, in 2000, an all-IPV schedule was recommended.5 OPV is no longer recommended and is not available for routine use in the US, although it is widely used elsewhere.
OPV continues to be used in countries where polio infections still occur and may be used if there were to be an outbreak in the United States?as OPV is felt by many to be the preferred vaccine to contain an outbreak. The World Health Organization estimates between 250 and 500 cases of VAPP occur each year worldwide.6
References
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio_vaccine
http//www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-safety/post-polio-syndrome-vaccine-associated-paralytic-polio-and-poliomyelitis-elimiThanks for endorsing my view that MM is still not sure what to do when they change the vaccination program and patterns so many times and wait for a few more years, they would change their strategy of vaccination and. They would keep doing it endlessly. This is scientific approach.
If you seriously want to discuss the issue of vaccination start from the scratch. I am ready to discuss MM's monkey business thoroughly.
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I suggest that you go back and read your posts. You have called doctors shaitaans, evil. You have a lot against doctors. You called me names, putting me down, insulting me, accusing me of hating God when I called you out on your false claims, asking you to explain, providing evidence.
I have a whole lot of things against MM's idiocy as its policy and hypotheses for treating patients. You ask me to go back and read my own posts when you do not do the same. After my explanation to your query you seem to pose the same question over and over again...
When I tried explaining you little by little starting from my # post 87, without answering you drove me back to provide evidence that you hated God. Now suddenly you jump back to MM subject and say "I am explaining this and that!" You see my post I have given 2272 which says about mentioning God Alone, makes the haters angry. Even now I say I am against "God-Also" category. Calling you as God hater is wrong I know. I am referring you as God Alone hater. Read 14 and see for yourself if you could seek the Help of others other than the God?
First confirm and fix which subject you want to discuss and then stick to that topic.
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What I have been asserting is God's way is exclusively decisive while the doctors' ways are potentially delusive. An anti rabies by itself has the potential to cause rabies and anti rabies injection is protecting against rabies is myth in many cases; and you shall know the MM says vaccine against polio causes poliomyelitis, terming the occurrence as VAPP - Vaccine Associated Paralytic Polio. And for your information most infections are becoming in curable today. And God says
And if Allah touches you with a disease, none can remove it but He, and if He touches you with care, then He is Able to do all things.
People also used naturally occurring small pox scabs to protect themselves from smallpox with some dying after...your point doesn't stand. Apparently according to you, everyone should've just died of small pox rather than do anything about it because doing anything other than waiting for a miraculous healing is an unforgivable sin.
Which means till the end of the world, it is substandard.
God is Well Aware, Wise.
Knowledge during our lives is evolving (for most people) which is a fact of life. This is how we learn. You want to call that substandard go ahead. Just don't proclaim that going to a doctor is an unforgivable sin which as justamuslim pointed out, is forbidding what God did NOT forbid. You have no verse that says so...applying liberal doses of literal extremism to verses does not cut it.You have called doctors shaitaans, evil. You have a lot against doctors.
I'm just surprised at the black and white picture being painted to such an extent. It reminds me of certain people talking about walking to places rather than flying because if God had wanted man to fly, He'd have given them wings. Which is all well and good really, whatever floats their boat...at least they don't stand around on a pulpit calling down hellfire on airplanes, pilots, cabin crew and the people who fly in the death birds.
