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Question Regading Ayat 7:195 and 8:11

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    Mazhar
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    Salamun'alaikum.

    After did little time for study Quran, I have some question for this both two verse.

    1. Verse 7195

    RED word is "kiduuni" or .

    Oke let's see translation of that word from both this translation

    "Say ?Call on your partners, then plan against me. ( Free-Minds)

    " tell them (the pagans) to call on their idols for help and to plan against Me without delay. (Muhammad Sarwar)

    The question is from where the word "against" came from? and what is the proper meaning of or "kidu" for this verse?
    811 Sleep overcame you to give you tranquility from Him; and Hesent down to you water from the sky to cleanse you with it and
    cause the affliction of the devil to leave you; and so that He may strengthen your hearts and set firm your feet.

    Salamun alaika,

    Please carefully see the ending of the Verb. It has a vowel sign which is never a part of a verb. This shows the elided personal pronoun of the speaker as object of verb.

    You the Messenger pronounce "You invoke your associates. After having done it taking your time, you people conspire against me. Thereat, you should not let there be a respite for me."

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      Peace Mazhar

      I still don't understand your explanation, please explain more detail per question one by one.
      I'm also confused there is no "ya" in the end of word I questioning.

      My question is simple

      -From where the word "against" in 7195 came from? what is the correct translation for so it can fit for the translation?

      -What's the meaning of "feet" in 811? It's allegorical word.

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        Mazhar
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        Peace Mazhar

        I still don't understand your explanation, please explain more detail per question one by one.
        I'm also confused there is no "ya" in the end of word I questioning.

        My question is simple

        -From where the word "against" in 7195 came from? what is the correct translation for so it can fit for the translation?

        Peace

        move One by one. You do not see "ya" but I do see "ya" at the end of verb. Added vowel called Kasra shows me the Ya because it is its substitute. It is a statement made by a person to others in his presence; the verb will be heard by them as is written. The verb denotes doing trick, conspiring against a person.

        Translation is given above.

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          Peace

          move One by one. You do not see "ya" but I do see "ya" at the end of verb. Added vowel called Kasra shows me the Ya because it is its substitute. It is a statement made by a person to others in his presence; the verb will be heard by them as is written. The verb denotes doing trick, conspiring against a person.

          Translation is given above.

          Peace Mazhar, try to slow down.Originally I'm not understand your explanation in this thread.

          The word "ya" is in the middle of huruf, not in the end

          If you still want answering my post, just anwer my question in straight point.

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            Mazhar
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            Dear I am asking you to see at the end of verb not in the middle. At the end is a sign. That sign is for "Ya". Otherwise this sign is not put at the end of Arabic verbs.

            You are pointing out mistake of translators while are not interested to know the abc of Arabic. Strange approach!

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              Peace Mazhar.

              This is the function of

              1. For Alif Maqshurah in Isim Muannadz, example

              2. As a Dhamir Nashab

              3. As the last huruf of Isim Jaar which contain some changed in Al-Asma' al-Khamsah (like and )

              4. etc.

              Now Mazhar, one again I must say, "where is the word you mention contains "ya" in the end?"

              Please just dont rounding to anywhere and just answer my question.What is the proper translation of and what is "feet" in 811?

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                Mazhar
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                Peace Mazhar.

                This is the function of

                1. For Alif Maqshurah in Isim Muannadz, example

                2. As a Dhamir Nashab

                3. As the last huruf of Isim Jaar which contain some changed in Al-Asma' al-Khamsah (like and )

                4. etc.

                Now Mazhar, one again I must say, "where is the word you mention contains "ya" in the end?"

                Please just dont rounding to anywhere and just answer my question.What is the proper translation of and what is "feet" in 811?

                Good, you have started seeing the books. Keep reading such books, the elided Ya will become visible to you in many verbs in the Qur'aan which end with kasra vowel.
                Do you see 'Ya" at the end of this verb
                http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.158/01.%20Attaat%20Toi%20Waw%20Ain/7.gif

                I see Ya and all translators see this Ya. You will start seeing it if you keep reading Arabic grammar.

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                  http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.158/01.%20Attaat%20Toi%20Waw%20Ain/7.gif

                  The last huruf is "nun" not "ya".

                  Because you're more "ahlul Arab" than me, it's very honorable if you explain to me.

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                    Mazhar
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                    http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.158/01.%20Attaat%20Toi%20Waw%20Ain/7.gif

                    The last huruf is "nun" not "ya".

                    Because you're more "ahlul Arab" than me, it's very honorable if you explain to me.

                    I feel sorry for you if you are truly what you claim because in that case I will have to treat you as a special child. Ask some co Arab what you have just said and see his response.

                    Noon is not the part of verb. I have given it a different colour. This is Noon of Protection, and the last Kasra is substitute for Ya referring to the object of verb. In such constructions Ya is dropped.

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                      I will have to treat you as a special child.

                      Yeah, maybe I'm in same age with your grandchild, because my age is still 20s.

                      Yeah I know if nun is not part of the verb, but on that word, it's the last huruf of that word right?.

                      Plus the word ya' is in the middle after ta'.
                      So that's why I need your explanation my guru.

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                        http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/001.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Surat%20002/2.158/01.%20Attaat%20Toi%20Waw%20Ain/7.gif

                        The last huruf is "nun" not "ya".

                        Because you're more "ahlul Arab" than me, it's very honorable if you explain to me.

                        Salaamun alayka,

                        I am afraid that if you follow his advice, then you will see more invisible things, till you are back from where you ran away from or even further.
                        But it's your own choice.

                        May Allah protect us pr
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                          Man_of_Faith
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                          Peace,

                          And god is handicapped and cannot guide anyone without the Quran.

                          God bless you

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                            Mazhar
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                            Peace,

                            And god is handicapped and cannot guide anyone without the Quran.

                            God bless you

                            He the Exalted is certainly not handicapped. But He also does not accept the wishes of every tom, dick and harry. He the Exalted acts according to His own Will. He can force everybody to surrender, but opts not this course. He says people should get guidance through Qur'aan otherwise go to the hell-prison.

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                              Peace,

                              So you are implying that God values us differently. How unfair! Your god turns worse and worse. Not only is he restricted to guiding through his book but he is also valuing some people more than others.

                              God bless you

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