Nearness and Guidance -> Knowledge and Wisdom = Peace and Prosperity
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Peace,
The ones in respect of the restricted
Let me continue because I found another passage with the "Restricted Temple" later on.
4826 Those who opposed had put in their hearts the rage of the days of ignorance. Then, God sent down tranquility upon His messenger and those with faith, and directed them to uphold the word of righteousness, and they were well entitled to it and worthy of it. And God is fully aware of all things.
4827 God has affirmed, that the vision of His messenger will come true ?You will approach the ones in respect of the restricted, God willing, faithful, with your heads shaven, and shortened - no longer in fear.? Thus, He knew what you did not know, and He has appointed before this a conquest near at hand.
4828 He is the One who sent His messenger with the guidance and the system of truth, so that it would expose all other systems. And God is enough as a witness.
4829 Mohammed is the a messenger of God, and those who are with him are severe against the opponents, but merciful between themselves. You see them kneeling (?) and respectfully seeking the blessings and approval of God. Their distinction is in their faces minds, as a result of respect. Such is their example in the instruction and their example in the enlightenment is like a plant which shoots out and becomes strong and thick and it stands straight on its trunk, pleasing to the farmers. That He may enrage the opponents with them. God promises those among them who have faith and do good works a forgiveness and a great reward.Green It was the vision of the messenger.
Red Finally I have realized to make a proper translation I need to also take the 'm' in masjed into account, i.e. one who respect, just as 'm' in mumin one who has faith (iman).
Blue I cannot ignore the fact that the word is in singular. Here you got the right form which does not change anything but will make the picky content.
Purple Just because of this word I finally figured out another falsehood in the interpretation of the recitation. As we already know kneel would require a more sophisticated combination of words in Arabic. Words with a root like this with only two syllables indicate only carry a simple meaning, expression or motion. In this case it is humble(!)
Ruku - Bow down or be humble?
Let us give new light to many passages containing ruku and see that it does not have the advanced meaning of kneel but the mental image of humbleness. And you can see that the passages make a whole lot more sense given new light. And you have virtually nullified the physical connotations in the traditional understanding completely. They were probably connoted because those who interpreted the scripture wanted to validate their traditions. Let me begin with the passage we were already at in the previous section.
4829 Mohammed is the a messenger of God, and those who are with him are severe against the opponents, but merciful between themselves. You see them humble and respectful seeking the blessings and approval of God. Their distinction is in their faces minds, as a result of respect, which is their example in the instruction and their example in the enlightenment is like a plant which shoots out and becomes strong and thick and it stands straight on its trunk, pleasing to the farmers that He may enrage the opponents with them. God promises those among them who have faith and do good works a forgiveness and a great reward.
Okay. Let us go to the beginning of the recitation.
243 And hold the communion, and contribute towards purification, and be humble with those who are humble.
2124 And Abraham was tested by words from His Lord, which he fulfilled. He said ?I will make you a "leader" for the people.? He said ?And also from my progeny?? He said ?My pledge will not encompass the wicked.?
2125 And We have made the Sanctuary family to be a model for the people and faith and you take from the station the example of Abraham how to make the unison (contact). And We entrusted to Abraham and Ishmael ?You shall be a pure Sanctuary family for those who visit are new, and those who are devoted and the kneeling, the prostrating. respectfully humble?Above translation is far from perfect and accurate, but if gives you the image of what the passage want to say with new light. As you see it is Abraham and his family that is supposed to be the example for people and not some cubic house. It is due to this devotion and responsibility-taking that we are supposed to follow this example.
2126 And Abraham said ?My Master, make this a faithful land, and provide for its inhabitants of the fruits for whoever has faith in God and the Last Day.? He said ?As for he who oppose, I will let him enjoy for a while (too), then I will force him to the retribution of the Fire. What a miserable destiny!?
You see that Abraham prayed for the righteous people who have faith and God returns with that The Master will provide for the rebellious people too.
2127 And as Abraham raised from the family its foundations (of the faith we adhere to), along with Ishmael ?Our Master accept this from us, You are the Hearer, the Knowledgeable.?
2128 ?Our Master, and let us harmonize to You and from our progeny a nation harmonized to You, and show us our rites, and forgive us; You are the Forgiver, the Merciful.?
2129 ?Our Lord, and send among them a messenger from among themselves, that he may recite to them Your revelations and teach them the decree and the judgment, and purify them. You are the Noble, the Wise.?Red It is likely not referring to any messenger in particular but to all the messengers that have arrived at a relatively regular basis although from the last one it has been a while.
I need to stop writing at the moment, but I will continue on the topic of ruku and sajda.
God bless you
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Harmony be with you,
Ruku - Myth busted
343 ?O Mary, be dutiful to your Master and be respectful and be humble with those who are humble.?
555 For your supporter are God and His messenger and those who have faith; they hold the communion and contribute towards purification, and they are humble.
9112 They are the repenters, the worshipers, the thankful, the devout, the humble, the respectful, the advocates of good and the prohibiters of vice, and the caretakers of the boundaries of God; and give good news to the ones with faith.
2226 And We have appointed to Abraham the example for the family ?Do not set up anyone with Me, and purify My family for those who are new, and those who are committed, and the respectfully humble.?
2227 And call out to the people with the "Pilgrimage", they will come to you walking and on every transport, they will come from every deep enclosure.
2228 So that they may witness benefits for themselves, and mention the name of God in the appointed days over what He has provided for them of the animal livestock. So eat from it and feed the needy and the poor.
2229 Then let them complete their duties and fulfill their vows, and let them travel to the distant family. (ie. home)
2230 Thus, and whoever honors the restrictions of God, then it is better for him with His Lord. And the livestock has been made lawful for you; except what is being recited to you; so avoid the taint of idols and avoid saying false statements.2232 Thus, and whoever honors the mindfulness of God, then it is from the piety of the hearts.
2233 (and) In them are benefits to an appointed time, then their place of service is to the their distant family.
2234 And for every community We have established rites that they may mention the name of God over what He has provided for them of the animal livestock. Your god is One god; harmonize to Him and give good tidings to those who obey.2277 O you who have faith, be humble and respectful and serve your Lord and do good that you may succeed.
3824 He said ?He has wronged you by asking to combine your lamb with his lambs. And many who mix their properties take advantage of one another, except those who have faith and do good works, and these are very few.? And David guessed that We had tested him, so he sought forgiveness from his Master, and fell down in humbleness, and repented.
7748 And when they are told to be humble, they are not humble.
Do you think that Muhammad was dogmatic and zealous enough to tell those who opposed him "Kneel down!"?
To me this myth is busted and so is the one about respectfulness. How about you? And I also think that "Hajj" is taking a different form when the truth comes forth. It seems like a time when you devote yourself to good deeds and reflection on God and not brainlessly move around a black cubic building in the middle of the desert.
God bless you
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Harmony be with you,
And I have broken the myth about the mysterious "salat". And you will be quite surprised of what I am going to have to say. And likely a lot of people will never have faith in what I am going to say.
But this is indeed the truth from The Master. I was shocked over the truth myself that people could be so deceived by the interpretation of the Arabic language.
When I have recovered from my shock I will try to reveal to you what it is that I really discovered, but I can say it utterly nullifies the delusion that it means anything like "contact prayer". Not even remotely it means "contact prayer".
God bless you
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Harmony be with you,
And I have broken the myth about the mysterious "salat". And you will be quite surprised of what I am going to have to say. And likely a lot of people will never have faith in what I am going to say.
But this is indeed the truth from The Master. I was shocked over the truth myself that people could be so deceived by the interpretation of the Arabic language.
When I have recovered from my shock I will try to reveal to you what it is that I really discovered, but I can say it utterly nullifies the delusion that it means anything like "contact prayer". Not even remotely it means "contact prayer".
God bless you
Salaam,
I am interested to know about what Allah teaches you about Salaat.
May Allah bless you pr
mmKhan -
Harmony be with you,
I will return with my discoveries when I have enough arguments to be able to stand by them. I need to cover every loophole that can make people get an advantage first. And it has been a tedious work deciphering this abused text and without misrepresenting what it really says.
God bless you
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Harmony be with you,
And I have broken the myth about the mysterious "salat". And you will be quite surprised of what I am going to have to say. And likely a lot of people will never have faith in what I am going to say.
But this is indeed the truth from The Master. I was shocked over the truth myself that people could be so deceived by the interpretation of the Arabic language.
When I have recovered from my shock I will try to reveal to you what it is that I really discovered, but I can say it utterly nullifies the delusion that it means anything like "contact prayer". Not even remotely it means "contact prayer".
God bless you
I'm all ears bro.
And I doubt I'll be shocked. Especially if it makes sense. In that case it would just feel good, no matter how different it is from the common interpretations. I usually say that the closer you go to religion, the farther away from God you get. Bring it on!
The only thing I keep being amazed at is to what lengths people are willing to let them selves be deceived, having no interest in searching for something truer than what currently held as belief. Sad, and amazing.
Wish you all the best, and the Creator's wonderful blessings in your search for truth.
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When I have recovered from my shock
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I will try to reveal to you what it is that I really discovered, but I can say it utterly nullifies the delusion that it means anything like "contact prayer". Not even remotely it means "contact prayer".
I still like to perform contact prayer, even if it turns out that contact prayer doesn't have any relation with the order to uphold Salat.
However, I hope what you're going to reveal in this forum (regarding Salat) is true, brother.
I'm ready to listen to your explanations in this regard, inshaAllah.
Peace.
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Peace,
I am a bit fascinated that this is such an important topic to people, but well it is to me too.
It takes a bit of time because when begun to wrestle with it it happens that I started a chain reaction which revealed a ton of more errors on the same level as this one. And to make my corrections fit in I have to change a lot of the other errors too or mine will contradict a lot. And that does not mean I changed anything from what the author, ie God, wanted to convey but rather "turn things right".
The interesting thing is that "islam" looks a whole lot more like "Christianity" with the corrections which should not really surprise anyone considered the origin of the practices. I am actually glad that it turned out that way because I never liked that compulsory islam with exactly timed rituals and such which is just a pagan/associator influence. Without the trinity and Jesus-obsession it is a fine "religion" but it in fact is not any different just the difference is in the amount of falsehood entering the various groups.
And if I solve this last part and it is convincing, damn how many death threats I will get from the sects! rotfl
But after I have done all these changes people can choose themselves what to do with it and I have done my part.
And I thought I was done when coming unto the 'Peace and Prosperity' part of this thread, but interestingly this noob is about to explain this soup.
God bless you
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And if I solve this last part and it is convincing, damn how many death threats I will get from the sects! rotfl
Bold It is not to be laughed at... elektro
You indeed have to be careful... http//3.bp.blogspot.com/-wn2wPLAukW8/U1vy7Ol5aEI/AAAAAAAAGq0/f7C6-otIDY0/s1600/squinting-emoticon.png
Peace.
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Peace,
Do not worry, sister. I die if God allows it and if God wants to protect me then The Master will do so. No reason to be afraid.
They will likely not do anything unless I become a threat anyway.
God bless you
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Peace,
I am a bit fascinated that this is such an important topic to people, but well it is to me too.
It takes a bit of time because when begun to wrestle with it it happens that I started a chain reaction which revealed a ton of more errors on the same level as this one. And to make my corrections fit in I have to change a lot of the other errors too or mine will contradict a lot. And that does not mean I changed anything from what the author, ie God, wanted to convey but rather "turn things right".
The interesting thing is that "islam" looks a whole lot more like "Christianity" with the corrections which should not really surprise anyone considered the origin of the practices. I am actually glad that it turned out that way because I never liked that compulsory islam with exactly timed rituals and such which is just a pagan/associator influence. Without the trinity and Jesus-obsession it is a fine "religion" but it in fact is not any different just the difference is in the amount of falsehood entering the various groups.
And if I solve this last part and it is convincing, damn how many death threats I will get from the sects! rotfl
But after I have done all these changes people can choose themselves what to do with it and I have done my part.
And I thought I was done when coming unto the 'Peace and Prosperity' part of this thread, but interestingly this noob is about to explain this soup.
God bless you
Salaam,
What a anti-climax >(
I was ready to get a big shock >(Now you have put yourself in a difficult situation yes
Salaam
Bender -
I am following this discussion laugh eat
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Peace,
Have patience, dear Bender. You may have your shock if you manage to understand what I am going to reveal. You probably know that if one word is erroneously interpreted it affects more or less all instances within the recitation. And I cannot jump unto an interpretation without verifying it carefully first.
God bless you
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Salamun Alaikum.
Below is the meaning of the English term "salute" from Merrium Webster Dictionary
sa-lute verb \s-l?t\
to give a sign of respect to (a military officer, flag, etc.) by moving your right hand to your forehead to give a salute to (someone or something)
to show respect for (someone or something) / to publicly praise (someone or something)
Note that the term has 2 distinct meanings and each meaning becomes obvious in a given context. Example
- The soldiers saluted the General when he entered the room.
- I salute brother MoF for his excellent effort on this post.
While it is obvious in the first sentence the term "salute" has a more literal meaning (i.e. showing respect by moving your right hand to your forehead), in the second sentence the more subtle meaning (publicly praise) is appropriate. In the given context reader should be able to discern the appropriate meaning. Let me put it this way as if the word has a body and a soul - while the body is the first literal meaning, the soul of the word is really the second subtle meaning. It is interesting to note that in some context only the soul would suffice and in other context both the body and the soul need to come together - but it is never the body alone. I mean just raising the hand to forehead without any intension of showing respect would never be a true "salute" - at least not in the proper essence of the word.
The reason of getting into the details of this word is it is similar to Arabic terms "Ruku" and "Sujud" discussed here. All these words have both literal meanings (body) as well as subtle meanings (soul). What brother MoF has shown here that the souls of the words suffice for understanding of all the relevant verses. Of course they do - and brother MoF has all my "salute" for his effort in showing this. The essence of the word is realy in the meanings that brother MoF has proposed and often in an mechanical translation these meanings are lost. However, let's not make the mistake of ruling out the literal meaning or the body of the word altogether (i.e. ruku = bow down, and sujud = prostrate) . In relevant verses the terms do convey both the meanings - otherwise our Master would not choose these specific words.
Some of us find it difficult to understand the mechanical body movements associated with the salaat ritual. Allow me share with you an excerpt from the book "Road to Mecca" by Muhammad Asad. The book discusses the author's journey from Judaism to Islam. In the quoted passage the author is discussing the "physical salat ritual" with an old man (hajji).
It somehow disturbed me to see so real a prayer combined with almost mechanical body movements, and one day I asked the hajji, who understood a little English
'Do you really believe that God expects you to show Him your respect by repeated bowing and kneeling and prostration? Might it not be better only to look into oneself and to pray to Him in the stillness of one's heart? Why all these movements of your body?'As soon as I had uttered these words I felt remorse, for I had not intended to injure the old man's religious feelings. But the hajji did not appear in the least offended. He smiled with his toothless mouth and replied
'How else then should we worship God? Did He not create both, soul and body, together? And this being so, should man not pray with his body as well as with his soul? Listen, I will tell you why we Muslims pray as we pray. We turn toward the Kaaba, God's holy temple in Mecca, knowing that the faces of all Muslims, wherever they may be, they turned to it in prayer, and that we are like one body, with Him as the centre of our thoughts. First we stand upright and recite from the Holy Koran, remembering that it is His Word. given to man that he may be upright and steadfast in life. Then we say, "God is the Greatest," reminding ourselves that no one deserves to be worshipped but Him; and bow down deep because we honour Him above all, and praise His power and glory. Thereafter we prostrate ourselves on our foreheads because we feel that we are but dust and nothingness before Him, and that He is our Creator and Sustainer on high. Then we lift our faces from the ground and remain sitting, praying that He forgive us our sins and bestow His grace upon us, and guide us aright. and give us health and sustenance. Then we again prostrate ourselves on the ground and touch the dust with our foreheads before the might and the glory of the One. After that, We remain sitting and pray that He bIess the Prophet Muhammad who brought His message to us, just as He blessed the earlier Prophets; and that He bless us as well, and all those who follow the right guidance; and we ask Him to give us of the good of this world and of the good of the world to come. In the end we turn our heads to the right and to the left, saying, "Peace and the grace of God be upon you" -and thus greet all who are righteous, wherever they may be.'It was thus that our Prophet used to pray and taught his followers to pray for all times, so that they might willingly surrender themselves to God -which is what Islam means -and so be at peace with Him and with their own destiny.'
The old man did not, of course, use exactly these words, but this was their meaning, and this is how I remember them. Years later I realized that with his simple explanation the hajji had opened to me the first door to Islam; but even then, long before any thought that Islam might become my own faith entered my mind, I began to feel an unwonted humility whenever I saw, as I often did, a man standing barefoot on his prayer rug, or on a straw mat, or on the bare earth, with his arms folded over his chest and his head lowered, entirely submerged within himself, oblivious of what was going on around him, whether it was in a mosque or on the sidewalk of a busy street a man at peace with himself.
May all guide us all to the straight route.
Best regards,
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Peace,
I sincerely doubt that ruku and sujud connote on bowing and prostration because particularly the latter would need a more complex combination of words/letters to be forming that advanced meaning.
If you want sujud to mean prostrate then you need to combine them with fall down sujud for example, but then it means still "he fell down in respect".
So the action depends how what kind of respectful expression that you make.
God bless you
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Peace brother MoF.
It is not always realistic to expect the meaning of the word to be embedded in its root / structure. Words in any language acquire the meaning based on the usage by the people speaking the language and their understanding. That?s what dictionaries and lexicon?s try to capture.
I believe the most appropriate approach to Qur?an is to draw wisdom and inspiration from it and to ponder over it ? not so much to ?interpret? it. Only Allah knows the interpretation (Ref 37). As long as you are saying that you have found a better insight from the Qur?an by focusing on the ?being humble? meaning of the term ?Ruku? etc. - I believe that is perfectly alright. But sometimes your tone (terms like ?Myth Buster? etc.) seems to imply that you have discovered the ?definitive interpretation? of these terms ? that attitude seems to be a bit troubling to me. That will be all from me on this post.
Wish you all the best. May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
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Peace,
God is the author of the narration and words are built around the base meaning of words and it is not based on how people use languages but purely on a structure of grammar using affixes and help through combination of words. And one base word has he same meaning in each reoccurrence no matter context, but compounds based on affixes and/or other words modify the meaning based on the base meaning(s), sometimes two words.
The word for prostration is possible, but it takes a form more complicated than the one implied by s - j -d. Such word only connote on very simple expressions or motions.
Suppose that God is he sole author then The Master would incline on using simplest possible language so that no one can misinterpret it. Ironically people still managed to do that by either inferring a meaning too advanced for the word or by assigning a meaning never there in the first place (refer to wife "beating" or "cutting"of hands). For example, "s - l - w" (used for salah) cannot imply a too complicated expression or motion due to the simplicity of the word.
Even if we were to anticipate that it means "to pray" then its use must suit all occurrences of the word. But would you claim that birds are praying, having no real self-awareness and thus use for it? Does it help them in any way?
This phenomenon is simply because salah does not mean 'to pray'. If you do not have faith in my words I will soon show that the whole narration becomes illogical and unreasonable using this traditional interpretation and it makes much more sense then. And I promise you that "islam" looks nearly identical to the so-called "christianity" minus the Jesus obsession and some misconception that you are supposed to be a passivist.
God bless you
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Peace,
Just so you know there are 89 EDIT 98 instances with the root and many of them cause lots of contradiction in their current interpretation and sometimes also completely different stories than what the Author originally intended. If you know me I will need to make all 89 right before I even try to present it here or at least a majority of them enough to cause overwhelming "evidence" that proves this point. Not that I really expect 100% of people to have faith in it regardless despite overwhelming signs tempt
So bare with me until I have more meat on my legs.
God bless you