Nearness and Guidance -> Knowledge and Wisdom = Peace and Prosperity
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Peace,
It appears to me that we must use remember the lesson which is quite synonymous actually. If you keep something like a lesson in your mind then you remember it.
Because I neatly removed remember from the Arabic by disqualifying dhekr to mean that I still need a word resembling remember ;D
As a matter of fact, my doubtful friends. That is it. The word 'qum' in several instances I have noticed can be more preferably translated as "remember". The same phenomenon recurs in other instances with faulty translations based to a misunderstanding of the word 'qum'. It is ironical that it is an opponent of mine that makes me aware of my mistakes that lead into a better understanding, or perhaps it is not?
I have an example with the base word qum where the whole phrase is misunderstood due to that people think it means something else. Check these ones. My discovery thanks to you clears out some errors on the spot. It is difficult to solve 1000 years of falsehood, but it is coming forth. There are many times the word recurs and I take those that do not involve salat just for demonstrative purposes.
3113 They are not all the same, from the adherents to the decree are a nation that is upright is a community that remembers; they recite the signs of God during the night hours and they are respectful.
4127 And they seek a ruling regarding the women, say ?God will give you a ruling regarding them and what is being recited to you in the decree regarding the orphans? mothers whom you wish to marry but have not given them what was decreed for them, and the oppressed from the children That you stand for the orphans in equality that you remember to be fair to the orphans.? Whatever good you do, then God is aware of it.
4135 O you who believe, stand with justice remember to be fair as witnesses to God, even if against yourselves, or the parents or the relatives. Even if he be rich or poor, God is more worthy of them, so do not follow desire into being unjust. And if you twist or turn away, then God is Expert over what you do.
4175 As for those who believe in God and hold fast to Him, He will admit them in a mercy from Him and a bounty, and He will guide them to Himself, a straight path. to a way of those who remember Him.
58 O you who believe, stand for remember God and be fair witnesses, and let not the hatred towards a people make you avoid being just. Be just, for it is closer to righteousness, and be aware of God. God is expert over what you do.
516 God guides with it whoever follows His acceptance, to the ways of peace; and it brings them out of the darkness and into the light with His permission; and it guides them to a straight path ways of remembrance.
There are of course many examples until this one, but I take some more obvious ones. Let us take a peek on this one
551 O you who believe, do not take the Jews and the Nazarenes as allies, for they are allies to one another; and whoever takes them as such from among you is one of them. God does not guide the wicked people mindlessly unjust.
Anyway, I am sorry for my clumsiness with lesson that I kept keep as it is obviously grammatically wrong, but amidst all that I discovered another distortion. Very fascinating.
566 And if they had upheld remembered been mindful of the Torah and the Gospel, and what was sent down to them from their Lord, they would have been rewarded from above them and from beneath their feet. From among them is a pious nation, but most of them only do evil.
And I wondered where the word remember in the Arabic language would go when dhekr was out of play. But here it goes again!
568 Say ?O adherents of the decree, you are not upon anything until you uphold are mindful of the Torah and the Gospel and what was sent down to you from your Lord.? And for many of them, what was sent down to you from your Lord will only increase them in transgression and opposition. So do not feel sorry for the rejecting people.
6153 And this is My path, a straight one. ?So remember to follow it, and do not follow the other paths lest they divert you from His path. That is what He has enjoined you to that you may be righteous.?
6161 Say ?My Lord has guided me to a way of being mindful of a system, the historical creed of Abraham the monotheist; he was not of the associators.?
Sorry, I improvised a little in the translation above. Nonetheless the translation should be something like that.
716 He said ?For that which You have caused me to be misled, I will stalk for them on Your straight path intended path.?
Talk about that Satan wants to chase people even trying to follow the path of God. So many misled after the revelation of the book called Qur'an.
729 Say ?My Lord orders justice, and that you set yours faces at every temple remember to be conscientious in your dedication and that you call on Him, while being faithful to Him in the system; as He initiated you, so you will return.?
Okay. I feel I have enough done enough of drill-checking the phenomenon. It is quite rock-solid that qum connotes on the mind. In 729 you see how flawed from a qualitative standpoint the traditional interpretation is. First the building that is not a building and then also it says orders justice then the language (traditionally) goes over to talk about setting faces in the temples. Completely nonsensical. On top of that it goes back to talk about serving God in the system.
Anyway, once again I have found an Arabic word given multiple meanings from the base word while it has not. Actually I have thoughts that this is the case with practically all words but I have been unable to figure that out yet.
And you see there is a lot about being mindfully disobedient in the recitation that is worst.
Let me go back to the lesson of salat in another post and I will also repeat some of the verses with the proper translation and not KEEP THE LESSON. When I first saw my mistake I felt embarrassed. When I saw that it was to my advantage the mistake I felt a bit malicious over it ignore
Once again I can repeat "He who laughs last laughs best".
Have faith
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Peace,
Let me try again with a Salat v. 1.1.1 hypno
23 Those who believe in the unseen, and remember the lesson, and
from Our provisions to them they spend.243 And remember the lesson, and contribute towards purification, and be humble with those who are humble.
283 And We took the covenant of the Children of Israel ?You shall not serve except God, and do good to your parents, and regard the relatives, and the orphans, and the needy, and say kind things to the people, and remember the lesson, and contribute towards purification.? But then you turned away, except for a few of you; you were objecting.
2110 And remember the lesson, and contribute towards purification; and what you bring forth of good for your souls you will find it with God. God is watching what you do.
2124 And Abraham was tested by words from His Lord which he fulfilled. He said ?I will make you a guide for the people.? He said ?And also from my progeny?? He said ?My pledge will not encompass the wicked.?
2125 And We have made the assembly to be a model for the people and a faith/confidence, and you shall take from Abraham an example to remember as a lesson and We entrusted to Abraham and Ishmael ?You shall purify My assembly for those who visit, and those who are devoted, and the respectfully humble.?2177 Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west turn your conscience towards east or west, but pious is one who believes in God and the Last Day, and the angels, and the decree, and the prophets, and who gives money out of love to the relatives, and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to free the slaves; and who remember the lesson, and who contributes towards purification; and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of adversity and hardship and when in despair. These are the ones who have been truthful, and these are the righteous.
2238 Adhere to the lessons; and the best lesson; and mind God devoutly
2277 Those who believe and do good works, and remember the lesson, and contribute towards purification; they will have their recompense with their Lord and there is no fear over them nor will they grieve.
339 So the angels called to him while he was mindfully teaching, in the temple enclosure ?God gives you glad tidings of John, truthful to the word from God, and a master, and steadfast, and a prophet from the upright.?
Red Obviously some other English similar word that suits better in the context may be used. I was not patient enough to find any better. Perhaps occupied. It has to paint up a mental image of keeping something in your mind anyway. I may take a look at this passage more in depth at some point.
Quite nice this one with the the truly proper light on the following passage
477 Did you not see those who were told ?Cease your aggression, and remember the lesson, and contribute towards purification.? But when fighting was decreed for them, a group of them were concerned towards the people as they would have been concerned towards God or even more so. And they said ?Our Lord, why did You decree fighting for us? If only You would delay for us until another time.? Say ?The enjoyment of this world is little, and the Hereafter is far better for those who are aware; you will not be wronged in the least.?
4103 Then, if you have completed the lesson, regard God while meditating, or sitting, or on your sides. Then, if you are faithful, remember the lesson. Indeed, the lesson for the believers is a decreed appointment.
Blue Honestly just experimental based on my new understanding of qum.
Here it starts from where I left off the last time.
M o F "Salat" proposition v. 1.1.1 part II
The teaching/preaching/lesson
4140 And it has been sent down to you in the decree, that if you hear the revelations of God being opposed and mocked, then do not sit with them until they move on to a different narrative; if not, then you are like them. God will gather the hypocrites and the disbelievers in Hell all together.
4141 Those who linger and observe you, if you have a victory from God they say ?Were we not with you?? And if the opponents have success, they say ?Did we not side with you and deter the believers from you?? God will decide between you on the Day of Resurrection, and God will not grant the opponents any success over the believers.
4142 The hypocrites seek to deceive God, while He is deceiving them; and if they are mindful of the lesson, they are so reluctantly, only to show the people; they do not regard God except very little.
4143 They are swaying in-between, neither with this group nor with that group. Whoever God will misguide, you will not find for him a way.
4155 So, for the breaking of their covenant, and their opposition of the revelations of God, and their killing of the prophets without right, and their saying ?Our hearts are shielded.? Indeed, God has stamped upon their hearts because of their opposition; they do not believe, except for a few.
4156 And for their opposition and their saying about Mary a great falsehood.
4157 And their saying ?We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, messenger of God!? And they had not killed him, nor crucified him, but it appeared to them as if they had. And those who dispute are in doubt regarding him, they have no knowledge except to follow conjecture; they did not kill him for a certainty.
4158 Instead, God had raised him to Himself; and God is Noble, Wise.
4159 And from the people of the decree are those who refused to believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be witness against them.
4160 Because of the wickedness from among those who are Jewish, We made unlawful to them the good things that were lawful to them; and for their deterring many from the path of God.
4161 And for their taking of usury, while they were prohibited from doing so, and for their consuming the money of the people unjustly. We have prepared for the disbelievers among them a painful retribution.
4162 But those of them who are well founded in knowledge, and the believers, they believe in what was sent down to you and what was sent down before you; and who remember the lesson and who contribute towards purification, and who believe in God and the Last Day; to these We will give them their recompense greatly.
Sorry. I continue striking through this passage due to better understanding right now.
56 O you who believe, if you are mindful of the lesson, then wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you have had intercourse, then you shall purify. And if you are ill, or traveling, or you have excreted feces, or you have had sexual contact with the women, and you cannot not find water, then you shall select from the clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and your hands with it. God does not want to place any hardship on you, but He wants to cleanse you and to complete His blessings upon you that you may be thankful...
57 ...and regard the blessings of God over you and His covenant that He has bound you with, for which you have said ?We hear and obey,? and be aware of God; for God knows what is in the chests.Obviously if the words qum and salat get a proper light then it starts to fade away from a ritual without translating any of the words struck through. I will return to them some day and try to decipher them though.
512 God has taken the covenant of the Children of Israel and raised from them twelve representatives, and God said ?I am with you if you remember the lesson and contribute towards purification, and believe in My messengers, and support them, and lend God a loan of righteousness; then I will cancel your sins and admit you into estates with rivers flowing beneath them.? Whoever opposes after this from you, then he has strayed from the path.
513 But because of them breaking their covenant, We have cursed them, and made their hearts become hardened; they take the words out of context; and they forgot much of what they were given regard of. And you will still discover betrayal in them except for a few; so pardon them and overlook; God loves the good doers.
554 O you who believe, whoever from among you turns away from His system, then God will bring a people whom He loves and they love Him; meek towards the believers, honorable towards the opponents; they strive in the cause of God and do not fear to be blamed by those who blame. This is the grace of God, He bestows it upon whom He wills; God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.
555 For your supporter are God and His messenger and those who believe; they remember the lesson and contribute towards purification, and they are humble.
556 And whoever allies God and His messenger and those who believe; then the party of God are the ones who will be victorious.
557 O you who believe, do not take as allies those who have taken your system for mockery and play from among those who have been given the decree before you and the opponents. And be aware of God if you are believers.
558 And if you summon to the lesson, they take it for mockery and play. That is because they are a people who do not comprehend.
559 Say ?O adherents of the decree, do you hate us simply because we believe in God and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down before?? Alas, the majority of them are wicked.
560 Say ?Shall I inform you of worse than this as a punishment from God? Those whom God cursed and became angry at them, and He made from them apes and pigs and servants of evil. Those have a worse place and are more astray from the right path.?
561 And if they come to you they say ?We believe,? while they had entered in with opposition and went out with the same. God is aware of what they were hiding.
590 O you who believe, alcohol, and gambling, and altars, and arrows of chance are tainted - by the work of the devil. You shall avoid him so that you may be successful.
591 The devil only wants to cause strife between you through alcohol and gambling, and to repel you away from regarding God and from the lesson. Will you be deterred?
592 And obey God and obey the messenger, and be aware. If you turn away then know that it is the duty of Our messenger to deliver clearly.
5106 O you who believe, witnessing shall be done if death is approaching one of you and a will is being made, by two among you who are equitable. If you have gone forth in the land, and death is approaching, then any two may suffice - if you have doubt regarding them, then detain them after a lesson, and they will swear by God ?We will not purchase with it any price, even if it was from a near relative, and we will not conceal the testimony of God, else we are of the sinners.?
670 Leave alone those who have taken their system for play and distraction, and this worldly life has tempted them. And remind with it that a soul will suffer for what it has earned, it will not have besides God any supporter nor intercessor; and even if it brings all justice, none will be accepted from it. These are the ones who have suffered with what they have earned; for them will be a boiling drink, and a painful retribution for what they had rejected.
671 Say ?Shall we call upon other than God what cannot benefit us or harm us, and we turn back on our heels after God has guided us?? This is like the one whom the devils have managed to mislead on the earth, he is confused, having friends who call him to the guidance ?Come to us!? Say ?The guidance is the guidance of God, and we have been ordered to submit to the Lord of the worlds.?
672 And you shall remember the lesson, and be aware; and to Him you will be gathered.
673 And He is the One who has created the heavens and the earth with the truth, and the day He says ?Be,? then it is! His saying is truth; and to Him is the sovereignty the Day the horn is blown. Knower of the unseen and the seen; He is the Wise, the Expert.
691 And they did not appreciate God as He deserves to be appreciated, for they said ?God has never sent down anything to any human being.? Say ?Who then has sent down the decree which Moses had come with, a light and a guidance for the people? You treat it simply as paper for display, and you conceal much; and you were taught what neither you nor your fathers knew.? Say ?God has.? Then leave them playing in their folly.
692 And this is a decree which We have sent down, blessed, truthful to what is in his possession, and that you may warn the capital of the towns and those around it. And those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they remember the lesson.
693 And who is more wicked than he who invents lies about God, or says ?It has been inspired to me,? when We did not inspire anything to him; or who says ?I will bring down the same as what God has sent down.? And if you could only see the wicked at the moments of death when the angels have their arms opened ?Bring yourselves out, today you will be given the severest punishment for what you used to say about God without truth, and you used to be arrogant towards His revelations.?
6159 Those who have divided their system and become sects, you are not with them in anything. Their matter will be with God, then He will inform them of what they had done.
6160 Whoever comes with a good deed, he will receive ten times its worth, and whoever comes with a sin, he will only be recompensed its like; they will not be wronged.
6161 Say ?My Lord has guided me to a way of remembrance of a historical system, the creed of Abraham the monotheist; he was not of the polytheists.?
6162 Say ?My teaching, and my deeds, and my life, and my death, are all to God, Lord of the worlds.?
6163 ?He has no partner, and it is to this that I was commanded, and I am the first of those who have submitted.?Red You need to consider that it is supposed to be the prophet uttering these words, so thus he says "My teaching". The prophet is saying that everything he has done was devoted to God alone and not of his own whims and desires (thanks Scribbler for the expression ;D )
7169 Then, a generation came after them who inherited the decree, but they opted for the materialism of that which is lower; and they say ?It will be forgiven for us.? And they continue to opt for the materialism if it comes to them; was not the covenant of the decree taken on them that they would only say the truth about God, and they studied what was in it? And the abode of the Hereafter is better for those who are aware. Do you not comprehend?
7170 As for those who hold fast to the decree, and they remember the lesson; We will not waste the reward of the righteous.
82 The believers are those whom, when God is mentioned, their hearts reverence; and when His revelations are recited to them, it increases their faith; and they put their trust in their Lord.
83 They remember the lesson, and from Our provisions to them they spend.
84 These are the true believers; they will have grades with their Lord and a forgiveness and a generous provision.
832 And they said ?Our god, if this is the truth from You, then send down upon us a rain of stones from the heaven or bring upon us a painful retribution.?
833 And God will not punish them while you are with them, nor will God punish them while they continue to seek forgiveness.
834 And why should God not punish them when they are turning others away from the observing the restrictions, and they were never its keepers! Its keepers are the righteous; but most of them do not know.
835 And their lesson at the assembly was nothing but noise and aversion. Taste the retribution for what you have opposed.
836 Those who have opposed, they spend their money to turn others away from the path of God. They will spend it, then it will become an anguish for them, then they will be defeated. Those who have opposed will be gathered to Hell.
837 This is so that God will distinguish the bad from the good, and so that the bad will be gathered together into one heap then He will cast it all into Hell. These are the losers.
94 Except for those with whom you had made a pledge from among the associators if they did not reduce anything from it nor did they support anyone against you; you shall continue the pledge with them until its expiry. God loves the righteous.
95 So when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill the associators wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and they remember the lesson and they contribute towards purification, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful.
96 And if any of the associators seeks your protection, then you may protect him so that he may hear the words of God, then let him reach his sanctity. This is because they are a people who do not know.
97 How can the associators have a pledge with God and with His messenger? Except for those with whom you made a pledge of observing the restrictions, as long as they are mindful of you, then you are mindful of them. God loves the righteous.
98 How is it that when they come upon you they disregard all ties, either those of kinship or of pledge. They seek to please you with their words, but their hearts deny, and the majority of them are wicked.
99 They purchased with the revelations of God a cheap price take the signs of God lightly, so they repel others from His path. Evil indeed is what they used to do.
910 They do not respect those who are believers, nor a kinship, nor a pledge. These are the transgressors.
911 If they repent, and they remember the lesson and they contribute towards purification, then they are your brothers in the system. We explain the revelations for a people who know.
912 And if they break their oaths after making their pledge, and they challenge the authority of your system; then you may kill the leaders of opposition. Their oaths are nothing to them, perhaps they will then cease.Obviously you see that if it means contact prayer in 95 and 911 the faith called Islam is very dogmatic and zealous as unless they perform the ritualistic prayer of "Muslims" they are to be annihilated. Fortunately this is not the case with my discoveries, it is just that they are to act according to the decree of God which means act in a good way because all good is from God.
If you after all my work in this thread still cannot believe that salat is not a contact prayer and even close then I do not know what kind of people you are.
917 It was not for the associators to keep the respect of God while they bear witness over their own opposition. For these, their works have fallen, and in the Fire they will abide.
918 Rather, the respect for God is kept by he who believes in God and the Last Day, and he remembers the lesson and he contributes towards purification, and is only concerned by God. It is these that will be of the guided ones.
919 Have you made the watering (?) of the joiner and the keeping of observation of the restrictions the same as one who believes in God and the Last Day and he strives in the cause of God? They are not the same with God. And God does not guide the wicked people.I need more time to investigate the first phrase of that passage (919)
952 Say ?You can only expect for us one of two good things; while we wait for you to be afflicted by God with a retribution from Him, or by our hands. So wait, we are with you waiting.?
953 Say ?Spend willingly or unwillingly, it will not be accepted from you. You are a wicked people.?
954 And what prevented what they would spend from being accepted from them except that they opposed and His messenger, and they do not attend the lesson except reluctantly, and they do not spend except unwillingly.
955 So do not be impressed by their wealth or children; God only wishes to punish them with it in the worldly life, and so that their souls will be taken while they are rejecters.
956 And they swear by God that they are with you, while they are not with you; but they are a people who are indecisive.
971 And the believing males and the believing females, they are allies to one another. They order good and prohibit vice, and they remember the lesson and they contribute towards purification and they obey God and His messenger. God will have mercy on them; God is Noble, Wise.
984 And do not "hold a speech" for any of them who have died, nor stand at their grave. They have opposed God and His messenger and died while they were wicked.
Much like the Christian clerics do for people in the church when people die. I was not sure how to translate this actually.
999 And from the Nomads are those who believe in God and the Last Day, and he looks upon what he spends to make him closer to God, and the lessons of the messenger. It indeed makes them closer. God will admit them in His mercy; God is Forgiving, Merciful.
9102 And others who have acknowledged their sins, they have mixed a good work with another that was bad. Perhaps God will pardon them. God is Forgiving, Merciful.
9103 Take from their money a charity to purify them and develop them with it, and hold a lesson for them; for your lesson is a tranquility for them; and God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.I am not sure if the Arabic language really speaks of monetary funds here. It sounds very much like extortion and a messenger does not ask for money.
1087 And We inspired to Moses and his brother ?You shall seek out assemblies for your people in Egypt and leave your assemblies to be a "role model", and remember the lesson. And give good news to the believers.?
1187 They said ?O Shu?ayb, does your lesson order you that we leave what our fathers served, or that we do not do with our money as we please? It seems only you are the compassionate, the wise!?
11110 And We gave Moses the decree, yet they disputed in it; and had it not been for a word which was already given by your Lord, their case would have been judged immediately. They are in grave doubt concerning it.
11111 And to each your Lord will recompense their works. He is expert in what they do.
11112 So be mindful as you were commanded, and those who have repented with you, and do not transgress. He is Seer over what you do.
11113 And do not lean towards those who have wronged else you will incur the Fire; and you will not have besides God any allies, and you will not be victorious.
11114 And maintain the lesson in focus of the day and at the near part of the night the good deeds take away the bad. This is a regard to those who pay attention.
11115 And be patient, for God does not waste the reward of the good doers.
1320 Those who fulfill the pledge of God, and they do not break the covenant.
1321 And those who deliver what God has ordered to be delivered, and they are concerned towards their Lord and they fear a terrible reckoning.
1322 And those who are patient seeking the proximity of their Lord; and they remember the lesson, and they spend from what We have bestowed upon them secretly and openly, and they counter evil with good; these will have an excellent abode.
1431 Say to My servants who believe, that they should remember the lesson, and spend from what provisions We granted them secretly and openly, before a Day comes when there is no trade therein, nor will there be any friends.
1436 ?My Lord, they have misguided many from among the people. So, whoever follows me, then he is of me, and whoever disobeys me, then You are Forgiving, Merciful.?
1437 ?Our Lord, I have resided part of my progeny in a barren valley near your observers of the restrictions. Our Lord, that they may remember the lesson, so let the hearts of the people incline towards them and give provisions to them of the fruits that they may give thanks.?
1438 ?Our Lord, you know what we hide and what we declare. And nothing at all is hidden from God on the earth or in the heavens.?
1439 ?Praise be to God who has granted me to my old age Ishmael and Isaac; my Lord is Hearer of the prayer (ِ.?
1440 ?My Lord, let me remember the lesson and also from my progeny. Our Lord, and accept my prayer (ِ.?
1441 ?Our Lord, forgive me and my parents, and the believers on the Day the judgment is called.?Important for understanding the book that you claim to read is that in two of the passages above you have the "real" word for pray and not the illusive salat word.
1773 And they nearly diverted you from what We inspired to you so that you would fabricate something different against Us, and then they would have taken you as a friend!
1774 And if We had not made you stand firm, you were about to lean towards them a little bit.
1775 Then, We would have made you taste double the retribution in this life and double the retribution in death. And then you would not find for yourself any victor against Us.
1776 And they nearly intimidated you so they could drive you out of the land. But then they would have been destroyed shortly after you were gone.
1777 Such was the way of those whom We had sent before you of Our messengers. And you will not find any change in Our way.
1778 Remember the lesson till the setting of the sun; to the murkiness of the night; and the recitation at dawn - the recitation at dawn is witnessed.
1779 And from the night, as an addition, you shall reflect upon it for yourself, perhaps your Lord would grant you a praiseworthy example.
1780 And say ?My Lord, admit me an entrance of truth and let me exit an exit of truth, and grant me from Yourself a support to victory.?
1781 And say ?The truth has come and falsehood has perished. Falsehood is always bound to perish!?
1782 And We send down from the Qur?an what is a healing and mercy to the believers. And it only increases the wicked in their loss.Red Honestly; what I feel here is that the prophet was to remember his own fault and think and reflect upon it when he had the chance.
17110 Say ?Call on God or call on the Almighty; by whichever you call on, to Him are the best names.? And do not be too loud in your teaching, nor too quiet; but seek a path in between.
17111 And say ?Praise be to God who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness.? And magnify Him greatly.
1930 He said ?I am a servant of God, He has given me the decree and made me a prophet.?
1931 ?And He has made me blessed wherever I am, and He has charged me with the teaching and purification as long as I am alive.?
1932 ?And to be dutiful to my mother, and He has not made me a mischievous tyrant.?
1933 ?And peace be upon me the day I was born, and the day I die, and the Day I am resurrected alive.?
1934 Such was Jesus, son of Mary, and this is the truth of the matter in which they doubt.Red Obviously it seems like it was the only thing that the man did from birth until his return.
1954 And recall in the decree, Ishmael; he was truthful to his promise, and he was a messenger prophet.
1955 And he used to instruct his family about the lesson and purification, and his Lord was pleased with him.
1959 Then, generations came after them who forgot the lesson, and followed desires. They will find their consequences.
1960 Except for whoever repents and believes and does good works; they will be admitted to the Paradise, and they will not be wronged in the least.
2011 So when he came to it he was called ?O Moses.?
2012 ?I am your Lord, so take off your slippers; you are in the holy valley Tuwa.?
2013 ?And I have chosen you, so listen to what is being inspired.?
2014 ?I am God, there is no god except Me, so serve Me and remember the lesson for My sake.?
2015 ?The Hour is coming, I am nearly keeping it hidden, so that every soul will be recompensed with what it strived.?
2016 ?So do not be deterred from it by he who does not believe in it and followed his desire and perished.?
20130 So be patient to what they are saying and glorify the grace of your Lord by the rising of the sun, and by its setting, and at the approach of the night you shall glorify and by the realization of the day perhaps you may be content...
20131 ...and do not crave with your eyes what We have bestowed upon some couples from them; the flower of the worldly life; so as to test them in it; and the provision of your Lord is better and more lasting.
20132 And instruct your family about the lesson, and be patient for it. We do not ask you for provision, for We provide for you. And the ending will be for righteousness.
20133 And they said ?If only he would bring us a sign from his Lord!? Did not proof come to them from what is in the previous scripts?
20134 And if We had destroyed them with a retribution before this, they would have said ?Our Lord, if only You had sent us a messenger so we could follow Your revelations before we are humiliated and shamed!?
20135 Say ?All are waiting, so wait, and you will come to know who are the people upon the even path and who are guided.?
2172 And We granted him Isaac and, as an addition, Jacob. And each of them We made a good doer.
2173 And We made them leaders who guide by Our command, and We inspired them to do good works and remember the lesson and contribute towards purification, and they were in service to Us.
This whole bunch of passages are a mess, but I will try to show the light.
2232 Thus, and whoever honors the gifts of God, then it is from the piety of the hearts.
2233 In them are benefits to an appointed time, then their place is to the ancient assembly.
2234 And for every community We have established deeds that they may devote in the name of God over what He has provided for them of the animal livestock. Your god is One god; submit to Him and give good tidings to those who obey.
2235 Those who, when God's name is regarded, their hearts reverence, and they are patient to what befalls them, and they remember the lesson, and from what We provide them they spend.
2236 And the plump livestock, We have made them for you to be among the gifts of God; you will have benefit in them. So devote in God's name of them in succession; then, once they are fully grown, you may take from them and feed with them the poor and the needy. It was thus that We have made them in service to you that you may be thankful.
2237 Neither their meat nor their blood reaches God, but what reaches Him is the righteousness from you. It was thus that He made them in service to you, so that you may magnify God for what He has guided you to, and give news to the good doers.
2238 God defends those who believe. God does not love any betrayer, opponent.
2239 Permission has been given to those who are being fought - for they have been wronged. And God is able to give them victory.
2240 The ones who were driven out of their homes without justice, except that they said ?Our Lord is God!? And if it were not for God defending the people against themselves, then many places of gathering, and markets, and lessons and observant of the regard for God's name, would have been suppressed. God will give victory to those who support Him. God is Powerful, Noble.
2241 Those whom, if We allow them to have authority in the land, they remember the lesson and they contribute towards purification, and they prohibit vice. And to God is the conclusion of all matters.
2278 And strive in the cause of God its truly deserved striving. He is the One who has chosen you, and He has made no hardship for you in the system, the creed of your father Abraham; He is the One who named you ?those who have submitted? from before and in this. So let the messenger be witness over you and you be witness over the people. So remember the lesson and contribute towards purification and hold tight to God, He is your patron. What an excellent Patron, and what an excellent Supporter.
232 Those who are meek when following their lesson
233 And they abstain from vain talk.
234 And they are active towards purification.
236 Except around their mates, or those who are maintained by their oaths, they are free from blame.
237 But whoever seeks anything beyond this, then these are the transgressors.
238 And those who look after what they have been entrusted to and to their pledges.
239 And those who adhere to their lessons.
2310 These are the inheritors.
I went on for too long without breaking considering my unstable GPRS connection. I will break it here and continue at some other time because it is past midnight now.
Hope someone else finally considers and realizes that salat has a very simple meaning. Too simple to almost be believable. This is likely why many stubborn people will not comprehend.
Have faith
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4103 Then, if you have completed the lesson, regard God while meditating, or sitting, or on your sides. Then, if you are faithful, remember the lesson. Indeed, the lesson for the believers is a decreed appointment.
Here again things seem going out of control. Completed with "lesson" perhaps does not go. "Learnt the lesson" or "have read the lesson"; thereby, one can remember the lesson;
again lesson "a decreed appointement" looks strange, one cant make out anything of it.
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4142 The hypocrites seek to deceive God, while He is deceiving them; and if they are mindful of the lesson, they are so reluctantly, only to show the people; they do not regard God except very little.
This also seems to have gone out of the grip. It is better to take little time which will help concentration and get firmer grip on the intended understanding.
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I did not intend to be perfect. You ought to get the point. But thanks for correcting.
Completed can verily be understood in a way so it fits with lesson. Finished the lesson perhaps. It sounds just fine, does it not?
Decreed appointment was just based entirely on the traditional interpretation. You can perhaps say commanded chore or something that fits. The underlying message should anyway come through.
How about traditional "book that is scheduled" then. How much sense does that make?
Anyway the lesson is important matter and that the passage speaks of.
It is good that you bring it to attention though because I happily use help from others in my work. It is heavy enough clearing out 1000 years of falsehood and not being wrong here and there from time to time.
Peace
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Peace,
Just doing my thinking sessions takes hours and the substance of the interpretation takes a long time. I must both work interpreting and finding a viable translation of English words that fits the Arabic words and people not foreign to the work likely know it is not that easy. I need to be cautious of errors in how the words are understood too so it takes time.
Mindful of the lesson was just an early improvisation to reveal the salat word in its true light. As it reads out should not be so hard. They are reluctant to be mindful of the teachings taught by the prophet. In an English translation you may have to paraphrase the whole sentence. And this work is exhausting enough that I sit and rephrase every little passage in the whole recitation.
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In the intended scheme of things you are trying, the word "lesson" seems somewhat odd at many places; then Aqeemu needs to be stretched to the extent of giving it the meanings of "remember". If lesson is replaced by "divine lesson" or "divine message" then you can use' "they stand by the divince lesson/message"; "be mindful of standing by the divince lesson/message"-------
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Peace,
Time for another salat post, part three, time consuming but yet important. Brother Mazhar was kind of pointing out some translational issues of my recent work, but I think I corrected the flaws in subsequent posts. By the day I get around finishing my personal translation of the whole recitation where I go through every single little word in it, God willing, then there will not be problems like that. Now I am more focused on bringing forth the truth about salat.
M o F "Salat" proposition v. 1.1.1 part III
The teaching/preaching/lesson
Please allow me to continue from where I left off last night.2435 God is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is like a niche within which there is a lamp, the lamp is encased in a glass, the glass is like a radiant planet, which is lit from a blessed olive tree that is neither of the east nor of the west, its oil nearly gives off light even if not touched by fire. Light upon light, God guides to His light whom He pleases. And God sets forth examples for the people, and God is aware of all things.
2436 In homes that God has permitted to be raised and His name regarded in them glorifying/honoring Him therein in the mornings and the evenings...
2437 ...by men not distracted by trade or sale from the regard for God and remember the lesson and contribute towards purification. They fear a Day when the hearts and sight will be overturned.
2438 God will reward them for the best of what they did, and He will increase them from His grace. And God provides for whom He wishes without reckoning.Green I am going to research on too after this project is over on salat. It is the focus right now. It is important that the word does not mean to ritualistically pray but rather to be impressed or amazed by the blessings of God.
2441 Do you not see that everything in the heavens and the earth glorifies/honors God? Even the birds in formation, each knows its lesson and its glorification. And God is fully aware of everything they do.
2442 And to God is the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, and to God is the final destiny.Red It is an instruction that they obviously simply know. They are but animals and they were made to know what they do and they have no real own free will. We all know about instincts, right? They thus simply know their lesson and no fussiness about that. The lesson for us humans is to look onto nature and see how things work over there.
2455 God promises those among you who believe and do good works, that He will make them successors on the earth, as He made successors of those before them, and He will enable for them their system which He has approved for them, and He will substitute faith for them in place of fear ?That they serve Me, not setting up anything with Me.? And as for those who oppose after that, these are the wicked.
2456 And remember the lesson and contribute towards purification, and obey the messenger, that you may attain mercy.
2457 Do not think that those who disbelieve will remain in the land. Their abode is Hell. What a miserable destiny!
2458 O you who believe, "inform"/let those among you listen who are maintained by your oaths and those who are immature among you at three times after the dawn lesson, and when you put off your garments from the noon time, and after the evening lesson. These are three times for you. Other than these times it is not wrong for you or them to "have fun with one another". God thus clarifies the revelations for you. And God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
2459 And when your children become mature, then let them listen like it was sought by those before them. God thus clarifies His revelations for you. And God is Knowledgeable, Wise.Blue The most damned abused phrase in the whole recitation to advocate idolatry of the prophet called Muhammad. People do not reflect upon what was intended to be obeyed by this command.
Red Here you practically have what the prophet should be obeyed regarding.
Green I tried to find a viable translation of this one and it does not seem to be about putting off garments at noon, but I "think" it talks about having a noon break.2458 is still in an analytical phase, but I share with you as far as I have come in the understanding of it. As far as I am concerned it talks about informing your family about the things that you are taught of the decree and the lesson of God to those who are young within your household or perhaps not attending the prophet's classes. It may be that this is a commandment while in a learning phase and to spread the information from the prophet's teachings.
Of course I am aware that my translation attempt may not completely reflect what the original language says, but it ought to be something like this. And important point is that it does not justify a ritualistic prayer whatsoever. This passage is important to nullify ritualistic prayer timings at all. One important factor that I found earlier on the salat word is this
The salat word does not carry an 'AL' prefix in the passage. It may not look like anything, but it is actually important because it renders it less an attribute. I leave the passage to the discretion of each reader, but you have my interpretation. To me it looks a little like part of the parents' duty of rearing of your children to teach the boundaries of God and why God is so amazing.
that the base word used for this long word (ُ derived from, connote on ear and likely as listen to in a derivative form.
271 T?S, these are the signs of the recitation and a clear decree.
272 A guide and good news to the believers.
273 Those who remember the lesson and contribute towards purification, and regarding the Hereafter they are certain.
2942 God knows that what they are calling on besides Him is nothing. He is the Noble, the Wise.
2943 Such are the examples We put forth for the people, but none comprehend except the knowledgeable.
2944 God created the heavens and the earth with truth. In that is a sign for the faithful.
2945 Recite what is inspired to you of the decree and remember the lesson, for this lesson prohibits immorality and vice; but certainly the regard for God is the greatest. God knows everything you do.
2946 And do not argue with the adherents of the decree except in that which is better; except for those who are wicked among them; and say ?We believe in what was revealed to us and in what was revealed to you, and our god and your god is the same; to Him we submit.?
2947 And similarly, We have sent down to you the decree. Thus, those whom We have given the decree will believe in it. Also, some of your people will believe in it. The only ones who mock Our revelations are the opponents.
2948 You were not reciting any decree before this, nor were you writing one down by your hand. In that case, the doubters would have had reason.
2949 In fact, it is a clear revelation in the chests of those who have been given knowledge. And it is only the wicked who doubt Our revelations.
2950 And they said ?If only signs would come down to him from his Lord!? Say ?All signs are with God, and I am but a clear warner.?
2951 Is it not enough for them that We have sent down to you the decree that is being recited to them? In that is a mercy and a regard for people who believe.Please realize that you have been beguiled by the fools of history!
Red highlighted and underlined text in 2951 They asked for signs while the prophet recited the decree straight from his mouth and because it was his sign they could not believe in him. Men always want material apparitions. They do not realize that it may be a sign that a man can understand something that others fail to understand.
3030 So establish yourself to the system of monotheism. It is the inclination that God has nurtured the people on. There is no changing in the creation of God. Such is the pure system, but most of the people do not know.
3031 Turn to Him, and be aware of Him, and remember the lesson and do not be of the associators.
3032 From those who have divided their system and become sects, each group is happy with what it has.
3033 And if harm afflicts the people, they call out sincerely to their Lord. But then, when He gives them a taste of His mercy, a group of them set up partners with their Lord!Blue This is an interesting phenomenon. People indulge in idolatry of the prophets and God knows what, but if they are in danger they sit and cry and call upon the Master. How fascinating to me and I suppose it is the same to my Master.
312 These are the signs of the decree of wisdom.
313 A guide and a mercy for the good doers.
314 Those who remember the lesson and contribute towards purification and regarding the Hereafter they are certain.
315 These are on a guidance from their Lord, and they are the successful ones.
316 And from the people, there are those who will hold on to a baseless narrative which misleads from the path of God without knowledge and make it a mockery. These will have a humiliating retribution.
317 And when Our revelations are recited to him, he turns away arrogantly as if he did not hear them, as if there is a deafness in his ears. So announce to him a painful retribution.
318 Those who believe and do good works, for them will be gardens of bliss.The phenomenon happened with the so-called hadith of Muhammad and sadly the recitation that was authentic misled from the path of God too by people who just buy an interpretation without questioning. They should not buy it that easily. In fact the original Arabic was quite similar to English in terms of buying something abstractly. I feel that the so-called "contact prayer" makes quite a mockery out of the decree of God. And many people will turn away from what I say arrogantly without even considering what he heard/read.
3113 And Luqmaan said to his son, while he was advising him ?O my son, do not set up any partners with God; for setting up partners is an immense wrongdoing.?
3114 And We enjoined man regarding his parents. His mother bore him with hardship upon hardship, and his weaning takes two years. You shall give thanks to Me, and to your parents. To Me is the final destiny.
3115 If they strive to make you set up any partners besides Me, then do not obey them. But continue to treat them amicably in this world. You shall follow only the path of those who have sought Me. Ultimately, you all return to Me, then I will inform you of everything you have done.
3116 ?O my son, if it be anything, even the weight of a mustard seed, be it deep inside a rock, or be it in the heavens or the earth, God will bring it. God is Sublime, Expert.?
3117 ?O my son, remember the lesson and advocate righteousness and prohibit vice and be patient to what befalls you. These are the most honorable traits.?
3118 ?And do not turn your cheek arrogantly from people, nor shall you roam the earth insolently. For God does not love the arrogant show off.?
3119 ?And be meek in how you are and lower your voice. For the harshest of all voices is the voice of the donkeys.?Red 3113-16 is the lesson that Luqmaan's son is told to remember, and everything else that he ever said to him in the light of God.
Here comes very misogynist passages of the recitation taking by a traditional interpretation. I will eventually solve the unfairness, God willing. I have not found anything unfair that has not been caused by misinterpretation.
3332 O women of the prophet, you are not like any other women. If you are righteous, then do not speak too softly, lest those with disease in their hearts will move with desire; you shall speak in an honorable manner.
3333 You shall be content modest in your homes assemblies and do not show off like in the old days of ignorance. You shall remember the lesson and contribute towards purification and obey God and His messenger. God wishes to remove any taint from you, O adherents to the assembly and to purify you completely.
3334 And recall all that is being recited in your assemblies of the revelations of God and the wisdom. God is Sublime, Expert.Blue This does NOT refer to wives of the prophet, but the women within the assembly. So polygamy advocates can go elsewhere look to justify their abomination. To those who are on the other extreme, I must say that it tells women not to act "sexily" to lure men into immorality.
3341 O you who believe, you shall constantly regard God.
3342 And glorify Him morning and evening.
3343 He is the One who teaches you, along with His angels, to bring you out of darkness and into the light. And He is ever Merciful towards the believers.
3356 God and His angels teach the prophet. O you who believe, let yourselves be taught by him, and comply completely.
3357 Surely those who harm God and His messenger, God will curse them in this world and in the Hereafter; and He has prepared for them a shameful retribution.
3358 And those who harm the believing males and the believing females, with no just reason, they have brought upon themselves a slander and a gross sin.Red When the prophet was around there were no linguistic issues and we obey the prophet by adhering to this decree in the recitation, but we need to study it carefully first due to reasons you already know. This was not an invitation to idolatry of the prophet who is a humble servant of God.
I wonder where the teachings which are not mentioned in this narrative come from though that the sectarians adhere to.
3515 O people, you are the poor when it comes to God, while God is the Rich, the Praiseworthy.
3516 If He wishes, He could do away with you and He would bring a new creation.
3517 And this is not difficult for God.
3518 And none can carry the load of another; and even if it calls on another to bear part of its load, no other can carry any part of it, even if they were related. You will only be able to warn those who are concerned towards their Lord while unseen, and they remember the lesson. And whoever contributes, is contributing for himself. And to God is the final destiny.
3529 Surely, those who recite the decree of God and remember the lesson, and spend secretly and openly from what We have provided them, they are seeking a trade that can never lose.
3530 He will give them their recompense, and He will increase them from His blessings. He is Forgiving, Thankful.
3531 And what We inspired to you from the decree, it is authentic, truthful to what is in his possession. God is Expert over His servants, Seer.
4236 So whatever you are given is simply an enjoyment of the worldly life, and what is with God is far better and more lasting for those who believe and put their trust in their Lord.
4237 And those who avoid major sins and immorality, and when they are angered, they forgive.
4238 And those who have responded to their Lord, and they remember the lesson, and their affairs are conducted by mutual consultation among themselves, and from Our provisions to them they give.
4239 And those who, when injustice befalls them, they seek justice.
4240 The recompense for a crime shall be its equivalence, but whoever forgives and makes right, then his reward is upon God. He does not like the wrongdoers.
5812 O you who believe, if you wish to hold a private meeting with the messenger, you shall offer a charity before you do so. This is better for you, and purer. If you cannot do so, then God is Forgiver, Merciful.
5813 Are you reluctant to offer a charity before such meeting? If you cannot do such, and God has forgiven you; then you shall remember the lesson and contribute towards purification, and obey God and His messenger. God is fully Aware of everything you do.
5814 Have you noted those who befriended people with whom God is angry? They are now neither from you nor from them. And they deliberately swear to lies while they know!Honestly I would like to look deeper into the above passages because they seem nonsensical. It could be to offer your services in conjunction with being taught by the lesson of the prophet. I will look at it at some point.
629 O you who believe, if the lesson is called to at the gathering day, then you shall hasten towards the regard for God, and cease all selling. This is better for you, if only you knew.
6210 Then, once the lesson is finished, you shall disperse through the land and seek the provisions of God, and constantly regard God that you may succeed.
6211 And if they come across any trade, or some entertainment, they rush to it and leave you, mind saying ?What God possesses is far better than entertainment or trade. And God is the best Provider.?You see how oblivious people are of God.
7021 And when good touches him he is stingy.
7022 Except those who are of the lesson
7023 ...observant of what it teaches them.Please mind that the two passages seem to be separated and slightly tricky to assembly together as clause.
7034 And those who observant of their lesson.
Please respect that I have difficulty putting words to the above passage.
7320 Your Lord knows that you rise a little less than two thirds of the night, and half of it, and one third of it; and a group of those who are with you. And God measures the night and the day. He knows that you will not be able to keep-up, so He pardons you. So study what is made easy of the recitation. He knows that there will be polluted among you and others that go forth in the land seeking from the bounty of God, and others who are fighting in the cause of God, so read what you can of it. And remember the lesson and contribute towards purification and lend God a loan of righteousness. And whatever you put forth yourselves, you will find it with God, for it is better and a greater reward. And seek the forgiveness of God, for God is Forgiving, Merciful.
7443 They said ?We were not as those who were taught.?
7530 To your Lord on that Day he will be driven.
7531 For he was not pure nor taught.
7532 But he denied and turned away.
7533 Then he went to his family admiring himself.
8714 Whoever purifies/improves will succeed.
8715 And regards the name of his Lord, so he will be taught.
968 To your Lord is the return.
969 Have you seen the one who prohibits,
9610 A servant from teaching?
9611 Have you seen if he was being guided,
9612 Or he ordered righteousness?
9613 Have you seen if he lied and turned away?
9614 Did he not know that God can see?
981 Those who opposed among the adherents of the decree and the
associators would not leave until a proof came to them...
982 ...a messenger from God reciting purified scripts...
983 ...in them valuable commandments...
984 ...and those who had previously received the decree did not divide
except after the proof came to them.
985 And they were not commanded except to serve God and be loyal
to His system, monotheists, and remember the lesson and
contribute towards purification. Such is the valuable system.
986 Those who opposed from the adherents of the decree and the
associators are in the fires of Hell abiding therein, those are the
worst of creation.
987 As for those who believe and do good works, they are the best of
creation.So what do you think?
Will you be beguiled by the falsehood of the millennia or will you realize that this is the real decree I write to you.
1071 Have you seen he who is denying in the system?
1072 It is the one who mistreats the orphan,
1073 And the one who does not encourage the feeding of the poor.
1074 So woe to those who are taught,
1075 Who are towards their lesson absent minded.
1076 They only want to be seen,
1077 And they withhold from any assistance.
1081 We have given you plenty.
1082 Therefore, you shall taught by your Lord and sacrifice/discard...
1083 ...indeed your rival will be the loser.
And that was all instances with the words derived from . Thanks for the time. Do you still claim that salat is contact prayer?
In that case I do not know where you are, son. I will, fortunately for you, never stop until I draw my last breath to proclaim the decree even if you close your eyes and seal your ears and reject it as whims and desires the much as you like, but I cannot lie neither to you nor to myself.
And praise the Master wholeheartedly for the lesson that came into your knowledge in case you learned something.
And I surely assure you that as the decree's corruption from the ancient scripture comes forth further then you will realize even more how beguiled you used to be by those who twist the decree with their tongues. It is quite literal in the expression in the recitation and that is the truth. It did not stop when the recitation was revealed, but you should understand that it continued from when the recitation was revealed to the prophet in the past.
And the Master has soothed my heart and I have comfort in this and do not fear that I am merely imagining things or wishfully composing something, like brother Scribbler said; by my own whims and desires.
If it is too much to soak in at once then consider it in meditation and thinking and if you are faithful that it is true then regard God as God should be regarded. I am not forcing anything upon anyone; there is no compulsion in following the system. And I have no reason to debate this with anyone, but believe it or not and it is at your loss if you do not. I am actually in the end only responsible for myself.
Have faith
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In the intended scheme of things you are trying, the word "lesson" seems somewhat odd at many places; then Aqeemu needs to be stretched to the extent of giving it the meanings of "remember". If lesson is replaced by "divine lesson" or "divine message" then you can use' "they stand by the divince lesson/message"; "be mindful of standing by the divince lesson/message"-------
I have not found any odd occurrences within the whole recitation. And I was very thorough and analytical. The only issue has been with the understanding of which I found a natural reason to. Of course because surrounding words are also adapted to fit the dogma of the centuries you have to rephrase a lot of the language.
Edit If you go in and add "divine message" you already start conjecturing because of you add attributes to salat that are not supposed to be there. It is a very simple word in meaning.
Salaam
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Grand Qur'aan is void of ambiguities. But "remember the lesson" are three words put together, convey nothing to the second person who seems to be the addressee of these vague words. "The lesson" is a meaningless word unless it is earlier defined or clarified what "lesson" denotes. English grammar will also feel embarrassed by such words.
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Grand Qur'aan is void of ambiguities.
I do not challenge that. This is a correct statement.
But "remember the lesson" are three words put together, convey nothing to the second person who seems to be the addressee of these vague words.
It is pretty clear to me, how is it unclear to you? If you are taught about something and then remember that lesson to you, how is that vague?
"The lesson" is a meaningless word unless it is earlier defined or clarified what "lesson" denotes. English grammar will also feel embarrassed by such words.
There you may not be right. To remember a lesson is a fully acceptable phrase in English. You remember what you have been taught. There is no embarrassment over this phrase.
Why do you even bother fighting over small matters and instead see the word I proposed in the context?
Replace lesson then with something else that means something similar, synonymous, like teaching. Personally I find lesson a better collective word to use to say you remember something that you have been taught.
Anyway, Mazhar, you are free to believe in your ritualistic prayer if that is where you heart is. Personally I feel I have showered you with so heavy signs that I just shake my head that you still believe the way you do nope
But if you doubt that then know that there were so many before you that denied the same thing.
Peace
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Dear brother Man of Faith,
Salam alaykum.
Do you mean to say teaching/preaching of the Quran = salat?
Like some people would form a group and share with each other the knowledge of the Quran through teaching/preaching? Is this what you mean salat to be?
Regards.
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Peace,
Do you mean to say teaching/preaching of the Quran = salat?
Like some people would form a group and share with each other the knowledge of the Quran through teaching/preaching? Is this what you mean salat to be?
If they had something to teach then yes. In the decree and the scriptural manifestation is a big lesson. If you choose to still think of a ritualistic prayer feel free to do it and I am not to be blamed for that.
People can teach about the decree, but one must be careful in what they say. Fortunately the decree is very simple in what we should do and not do so there is not much to worry about. Most of us already know the decree, we are just indulging ourselves in a lot of other conjecture and of this we are informed.
Have faith
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Salam,
In Surat 18 we can follow a Prophet on a journey 24hours and we do not find any hint of a ritual prayer.
They ask thee concerning Dhu al Qarnayn. Say "I will rehearse to you something of his story." (83) Verily We established his power on earth, and We gave him the ways and the means to all ends. (84) One (such) way he followed, (85) Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water near it he found a People We said "O Dhu al Qarnayn! (thou hast authority) either to punish them, or to treat them with, kindness." (86) He said "Whoever doth wrong, him shall we punish; then shall he be sent back to his Lord; and He will punish him with a punishment unheard-of (before). (87) "But whoever believes, and works righteousness he shall have a goodly reward, and easy will be his task as we order it by our command." (8 Then followed he (another) way. (89) Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had provided no covering protection against the sun. (90) (He left them) as they were We completely understood what was before him. (91) Then followed he (another) way (92) Until, when he reached (a tract) between two mountains, he found, beneath them a people who scarcely understood a word. (93) They said "O Dhu al Qarnayn! the Gog and Magog (people) do great mischief on earth shall we then render thee tribute in order that thou mightest erect a barrier between us and them?" (94) He said "(The power) in which my Lord has established me is better (than tribute) help me therefore with strength (and labour) I will erect a strong barrier between you and them (95) "
Starting his journey at some Point before Sunset he made a break at sunset(time for salat?) continuing his journey till the time of sunrise(time for Meditation?) and contunuing his journey he stopped at place (time for salat?)at some Point before Sunset.
What do you guys think?
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Peace,
Note that traveling in the dark in ancient times could be difficult and potentially dangers. They did not have our kind of light. They often raised a camp and lit a fire and waited for the dawn light to continue the journey. In the middle - east the light is out within 30 minutes after twilight begins and without a light source or the moon it is difficult to see.
The cycle between night and day was very important to these people.
Anyway. Please bring other discussions to relevant threads.
When my research on salat is now complete I may as well make a dedicated thread on that topic. I dislike creating new topics, but I have made quite few threads since I joined the forum compared to the number of posts.
Have faith
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Peace,
If they had something to teach then yes. In the decree and the scriptural manifestation is a big lesson. If you choose to still think of a ritualistic prayer feel free to do it and I am not to be blamed for that.
People can teach about the decree, but one must be careful in what they say. Fortunately the decree is very simple in what we should do and not do so there is not much to worry about. Most of us already know the decree, we are just indulging ourselves in a lot of other conjecture and of this we are informed.
Have faith
Dear Man of Faith,
As-salam alaykum and thank you for your reply.
I would like to put forward to you a question which I believe is pertinent to the reply you have given me above. Please see the verse below.
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We inspired Moses and his brother with this Message "Provide dwellings for your people in Egypt, make your dwellings into places of worship, and establish regular prayers (Arabic wa-aqimu l-salata) and give glad tidings to those who believe!"In the above verse we could see that prophet Moses (pbuh) and his brother (pbuh) has been inspired to go and tell the Children of Israel to establish the salat.
If you read the above verse in context with the following verses of the chapter, you will see that this instruction of establishing salat to the Children of Israel came long before prophet Moses (pbuh) even received the stone tablets of the Ten Commandments.
Now my question is, if the word salat means 'teaching/preaching of the Book', then how did the Children of Israel carry out their teaching/preaching when they did not even have the Ten Commandments between them, let alone the entire Taurat?
Regards.
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Dear Man of Faith,
As-salam aykum and thank you for your reply.
I would like to put forward to you a question which I believe is pertinent to the reply you have given me above. Please see the verse below.
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We inspired Moses and his brother with this Message "Provide dwellings for your people in Egypt, make your dwellings into places of worship, and establish regular prayers (Arabic wa-aqimu l-salata) and give glad tidings to those who believe!"In the above verse we could see that prophet Moses (pbuh) and his brother (pbuh) has been inspired to go and tell the Children of Israel to establish the salat.
If you read the above verse in context with the following verses of the chapter, you will see that this instruction of establishing salat to the Children of Israel came long before prophet Moses (pbuh) even received the stone tablets of the Ten Commandments.
Now my question is, if the word salat means 'teaching/preaching of the Book', then how did the Children of Israel carry out their teaching/preaching when they did not even have the Ten Commandments between them, let alone the entire Taurat?
Regards.
Peace,
The simple answer to that is the text before the remember the teaching in the passage you gave as example, i.e make assemblies to be a "role model". They are told to remember that lesson. And Moses was told to serve God alone before any decree was told to him and to "remember that lesson".
And the people of Shuyab questioned what was being taught.
But like I said; you are free to put your faith in a ritualistic prayer.
Have faith
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To remember a lesson is a fully acceptable phrase in English
The difference
remember the lesson
becomes something vague when it appears in the text. Unless you had clarified somewhere before its occurrence, only then it will convey the sense of referring to that particular lesson which was earlier taught. I hope you will now get the point by seeing what "lesson" means and conveysles?son
noun (plural les?sons)-
instruction period a period of time spent teaching or learning a subject
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material taught material to be taught or studied
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new or better knowledge some useful knowledge or sense that results from direct experience
I think there's a lesson there for all of us - think ahead. -
useful experience something that acts as an example, punishment, or warning by teaching something not previously understood or accepted
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rebuke a strong criticism or reproof, usually instructing or reminding somebody how to behave correctly
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Les?sonBible passage a passage from the Bible that is read out to the congregation during a church service
Today's lesson is from the book of Matthew.
transitive verb (past and past participle les?soned, present participle les?son?ing, 3rd person present singular les?sons)
- instruct somebody to teach somebody
- scold somebody to scold somebody for doing something wrong
Microsoft? Encarta? 2006. ? 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
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It is easy. Remember and do what you are taught. What is so hard to understand by that?
Use your knowledge. Ehh.
If you are just going to argue the same thing please bring it to a different thread.
And you must realize that the salat words connotes on learning, teaching and lesson all depending on affixes and context. It is a mental image that you have to paint for yourself in your mind.
Peace
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Peace,
Obviously some of the language is paraphrased to sound acceptable in English.
671-72 Say ?Shall we call upon other than God what cannot benefit us or harm us, and we turn back on our heels after God has guided us?? This is like the one whom the devils have managed to mislead on the earth, he is confused, having friends who call him to the guidance ?Come to us!?
Say ?The guidance is the guidance of God, and we have been ordered to submit to the knowledgeable Master and you shall remember the teaching(s) and be aware; and to Him you will be gathered...
692-93 And this is a decree which We have sent down, blessed, truthful to what is in his possession, and that you may warn the capital of the towns and those around it and those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it and they follow their teaching(s)/lesson, and who is more wicked than he who invents lies about God, or says ?It has been inspired to me,? when We did not inspire anything to him; or who says ?I will bring down the same as what God has sent down.? And if you could only see the wicked at the moments of death when the angels have their arms opened ?Bring yourselves out, today you will be given the severest punishment for what you used to say about God without truth, and you used to be arrogant towards His facts.?
6161 Say ?My Lord has guided me to a way of mindfulness, a system mindful of the creed of Abraham the monotheist; he was not of the polytheists.?
6162 Say ?My teaching, and my deeds, and my life, and my death, are all to God, Lord of the worlds.?7170 As for those who hold fast to the decree and are mindful of the lesson/teaching; We will not waste the reward of the righteous.
81 They ask you regarding the spoils, say ?The spoils are for God and the messenger.? So be aware of God, and be upright in matters between you; and obey God and His messenger if you are believers.
82 The believers are those whom, when God is mentioned, their hearts reverence; and when His revelations are recited to them, it increases their faith; and they put their trust in their Lord.
83 They are mindful of the lesson and from Our provisions to them they spend.
84 These are the true believers; they will have grades with their Lord and a forgiveness and a generous provision.
95 So when the restricted months have passed, then you may kill the polytheists wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent and they hold the contact prayer they are mindful of the lesson/teaching and become purified, then you shall leave them alone. God is Forgiving, Merciful.
Where are you people? Do you still believe in prayer for salat? Or otherwise just kill like maniacs, kill kill kill!!!
911 If they repent, and are mindful of the teaching/lesson and are purified, then they are your brothers in the system. We explain the revelations for a people who know.
984 And do not speak for any of them who have died, nor stand at their grave. They have opposed God and His messenger and died while they were wicked.
Here you may have hints that my understanding may still be tweaked. But it is still to be mindful of what you are taught with the salat thing. The correspondence occurred and not a ritualistic prayer.
999 And from the Nomads are those who believe in God and the Last Day, and he looks upon what he spends to make him closer to God, and the contact prayers TEACHINGS of the messenger. It indeed makes them closer. God will admit them in His mercy; God is Forgiving, Merciful.
Come on guys. Can you not see that it talks about either teachings or correspondences of the messenger and not contact prayers? confused
9103 Take from their money a charity to purify them and develop them with it, and teach them; for your teaching is a tranquility for them; and God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.
1087 And We inspired to Moses and his brother ?You shall seek out assemblies for your people in Egypt; and have your assemblies to be a "role model" and be mindful of the lesson/teaching and give good news to the believers.?
1187 They said ?O Shu?ayb, does your teaching/lesson order you that we leave what our fathers served, or that we do not do with our money as we please? It seems only you are the compassionate, the wise!?
I am confused how you can argue that it means anything else? Perhaps correspondence, but that does still not make a ritualistic prayer out of it!
11113 And do not lean towards those who have wronged else you will incur the Fire; and you will not have besides God any allies, and you will not be victorious.
11114 And mindfully focus on the teaching of the day and by the near part of the night the good deeds take away the bad. This is a regard to those who pay attention.1429 Hell is where they will burn, what a miserable place to settle.
1430 And they made to God equals in order that they may misguide from His path. Say ?Enjoy, for your destiny is to the Fire.?
1431 Say to My servants who believe, that they should be mindful of the teaching, and spend from what provisions We granted them secretly and openly, before a Day comes when there is no trade therein, nor will there be any friends.
1773 And they nearly diverted you from what We inspired to you so that you would fabricate something different against Us, and then they would have taken you as a friend!
1774 And if We had not made you stand firm, you were about to lean towards them a little bit.
1775 Then, We would have made you taste double the retribution in this life and double the retribution in death. And then you would not find for yourself any victor against Us.
1776 And they nearly intimidated you so they could drive you out of the land. But then they would have been destroyed shortly after you were gone.
1777 Such was the way of those whom We had sent before you of Our messengers. And you will not find any change in Our way.
1778 AND BE MINDFUL OF THE LESSON till the setting of the sun; to the murkiness of the night; and the recitation at dawn - the recitation at dawn is witnessed.
1779 And from the night, as an addition, you shall reflect upon it for yourself, perhaps your Lord would grant you an example that is praiseworthy.
17110 Say ?Call on God or call on the Almighty; by whichever you call on, to Him are the best names.? And do not be too loud in your teaching, nor too quiet; but seek a path in between.
1931 ?And He has made me blessed wherever I am, and He has charged me with the teaching and purification as long as I am alive.?
1955 And he used to instruct his family to the teaching and purification, and his Lord was pleased with him.
1959 Then, generations came after them who lost the teaching, and followed desires. They will find their consequences.
2012 ?I am your Lord, so take off your slippers; you are in the holy valley Tuwa.?
2013 ?And I have chosen you, so listen to what is being inspired.?
2014 ?I am God, there is no god except Me, so serve Me and be mindful the teaching/lesson for My sake.?20132 And instruct your family to the teaching, and be patient for it. We do not ask you for provision, for We provide for you. And the ending will be for righteousness.
2441 Do you not see that everything in the heavens and the earth glorifies God? Even the birds in formation, each knows its teaching and its glorification. And God is fully aware of everything they do.
2945 Relay what is inspired to you of the decree and be mindful of the teaching, for the teaching prohibits immorality and vice; but certainly the regard for God is the greatest. God knows everything you do.
3031 Turn to Him, and be aware of Him, and be mindful of the teaching and do not be of the polytheists.
3032 From those who have divided their system and become sects, each group is happy with what it has.3117 ?O my son, be mindful of the teaching and advocate righteousness and prohibit vice, and be patient to what befalls you. These are the most honorable traits.?
3343 He is the One who teaches you along with His angels, to bring you out of darkness and into the light. And He is ever Merciful towards the believers.
What the heck do you think otherwise that they do? Chat on the phone?
3356 God and His angels teach the prophet. O you who believe, you shall be taught by him, and comply completely.
3529 Surely, those who relay the decree of God and are mindful of the teaching, and spend secretly and openly from what We have provided them, they are seeking a trade that can never lose.
7443-46 They said ?We were not as those who were taughtand we did not feed the poor person and we used to participate with those who spoke falsehood and we used to deny the Day of Recompense.?
1082 Therefore, teach about your Lord and sacrifice.
I feel I am just repeating myself, but at least I brought better translated passages. Will you keep argue that salat still means "contact prayer" and that this is all that God ever thinks about? In that case this is the very first thing that God opens the recitation with. ESTABLISH PRAYER, OH YEAH. (AND ALSO FIVE TIMES PER DAY. AND IF YOU DO NOT YOU FOLLOW YOUR OWN DESIRES).
Come on, be sensible people and check the root and how it occurs, because all passages above contain that word in them.
Have faith