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M o F "Salat(eh)" proposition v. 2.0 part V
The "exemplary model"
Discussion and contextual analysis - Continuation
2275 Those who consume usury do not rise except as one being influenced by the touch of the devil. That is because they have said ?Trade is the same as usury.? While God has made trade lawful, and He has made usury unlawful. Whoever has received understanding from His Lord and ceases, then he will be forgiven for what was before this and his case will be with God. But whoever returns, then they are the people of the Fire, in it they will abide.
2276 God condemns usury, and He grants growth to the charities. And God does not love any wicked sinner.
2277 Those who are alike and do good works, and mind the behavior, and perform deeds; they will have their recompense with their Lord and there is no fear over them nor will they grieve.
2278 O you who are alike, be aware of God and give up what is left from usury, if you are truly alike.
2279 ...and if you will not do this, then be informed of a war from God and His messenger; but if you repent, then you will have back your principal money, you will not be wronged nor will you wrong.

Just a rhetorical question Why do you think that right in the middle of this discussion about usury God inserts a passage about a ritual and then right after that the context goes back to usury talk again?

Is it because it talks about behavior code? Or is it because of a ritual that somehow is misplaced right inside a context?

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474 Let those who seek to purchase the Hereafter rather than this world fight in the cause of God. And whoever fights in the cause of God and is killed or attains victory, then We will grant him a great recompense.
475 And why do you not fight in the cause of God, when the weak among the men and women and children say ?Our Lord, bring us out of this town whose people are wicked, and grant us from Yourself a supporter, and grant us from Yourself a victor!?
476 Those who are of ones fight in the cause of God, while those who are deluded fight in the cause of evil; so fight the supporters of the devil, for the planning of the devil is weak.
477 Did you not see those who were told ?Cease your aggression, and mind the behavior and perform deeds?...but when fighting was decreed for them, a group of them were concerned towards the people as they would have been concerned towards God or even more so. And they said ?Our Lord, why did You decree fighting for us? If only You would delay for us until another time.? Say ?The enjoyment of this world is little, and the Hereafter is far better for those who are aware; you will not be wronged in the least.?

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4100 Whoever emigrates in the cause of God will find in the earth many spoils and a bounty. And whoever leaves his home emigrating to God and His messenger, then is overcome by death; his recompense has fallen to God, and God is Forgiving, Merciful.
4101 And if you go forth in the land, then there is no harm that you shorten from the contact prayer, if you fear that the rejecters will try you. The rejecters are to you a clear enemy.
4102 And if you are with them and you hold the contact prayer for them, then let a group from among them stand with you and let them bring their weapons; and when they have prostrated then let them be behind you; and let a group who has not yet made the contact prayer come and make the contact prayer with you, and let them be wary and let them bring their weapons with them. The rejecters hope that you would neglect your weapons and goods so they can come upon you in one blow. There is no sin upon you if you are impeded by rainfall, or if you are ill, that you place down your weapons. And be wary. God has prepared for the rejecters a humiliating retribution.
4103 Then, if you have completed the contact prayer, remember God while standing, or sitting, or on your sides. Then, if you are secure, hold the contact prayer. Indeed, the contact prayer for the believers is a Book that is scheduled.
4104 And do not falter in the pursuit of the remaining group. If you are feeling pain, then they are also feeling pain as you are; and you seek from God what they do not seek. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.

I do not understand how I even could consider this translation to be viable. It is clear that the interpretation merely gives beauty to warfare and ritualism. Check my deep analysis for my version of it.

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4141 Those who linger and observe you, if you have a victory from God they say ?Were we not with you?? And if the deluded have success, they say ?Did we not side with you and deter the believers from you?? God will judge between you on the Day of Resurrection, and God will not grant the rejecters any success over the believers.
4142 The hypocrites seek to deceive God, while He is deceiving them; and if they try to behave, they do so reluctantly, only to show the people; they do not regard God except very little.
4143 They are swaying in-between, neither with this group nor with that group. Whoever God will misguide, you will not find for him a way.
4144 O you who are proper (lit. Be Thereof One), do not take the deluded as allies instead of the proper ones. Do you want God to have a reason against you?
4145 The hypocrites will be in the lowest pit of the Fire; and you will not find for them a victor.

I do not yet have a way with 'amen' like I have with other words in an English translation, but there are certain alternatives I am considering Whole, kinsmen and be proper. One thing I am certain about and that is the fact 'amen' does not refer to 'belief' but rather a direct reference of belonging (after its literal meaning "Be Thereof One&quot, but obviously depends on an image you paint in your mind of belonging too; however passages in Qur'an obviously hint that it is the belonging to "God" that is expected when it says "amen b'Allah". Amen b'Allah says it all, i.e. Be Thereof One in Allah (Be that (be) thereby), but it also mentions angels or even prophets, and together you all form the "We" Qur'an speaks about. Everything points back to the 'Foundation', i.e. "God", which is one in existence. However; on Arabic morpheme and phonology the "nun" letter () symbolizes that unique oneness and even ShaitaaN uses that letter (since Shaitaan is also of the oneness).

'Nun' is also the third most common letter in Qur'an used 27,382 times in it, after alef (62,208 times) and lam (38,639 times). Sorry that it seems that I deal in numerology, but I only want to point at the fact that 'nun' in linguistic use is an important letter. Funnily, alef - lam - nun in a succession means; "Be That One" whereas the first occurring initial in Qur'an (chapter two) consists of Alef - Lam - Meem (meem is the fourth most common letter) which literally means "Be That Thereof". The combination is also occurring in linguistic use throughout Qur'an 84 times minus those times it occurs as initial, although I find that the initials are actually meant to be used for understanding. For example from 963

Extremely literal Be That Thereof - Possess That Thereof ' - Be One Thereby

Be whom will get to know thereby that

(thereby is a pronoun/referral word in one)

Letters in a comprehensive translation need to be thrown around a little to make sense. But the important message is that 'meem' either has a written out reference in the text or one has to think for themselves. In the case here; the following word contains the specified person which it refers to ().

If people here are well-versed in the delusive Arabic taught by scholars they may find here that I am completely "out bicycling" (Swedish saying), but my own independent research has begun to reveal something special about Arabic that people have been ignorant about for (probably) the past thousand years. I am sure that once someone tried to reinterpret Qur'an at some time in history in the past they did not exactly know how to do it and they missed quite a lot of how to do so, and through centuries people have only depended on reference recorded knowledge instead of every verifying if their knowledge was right. God left the initials there just for this purpose, because the initials can help a person who cares to look further to relearn the Arabic language with little guidance from traditional scholars.

If you check my reading and comprehension capability and translation "my way" you see that the translation is fairly identical to the traditional one except that I work in a completely different manner when analyzing the language, i.e. the one that the author of the script in Qur'an meant for people to think on a fundamental level.

EDIT I forgot to mention that is like a causative pronoun.

The text continues

Thereof One - Good Be Condition Condition

I have not yet comprehended what Y - haadad may stand for without bringing in traditional comprehension, but it would not surprise me if it did not mean what it is usually thought to mean. But the phrase thus means

Be whom will get to know thereby thatfrom those - "haadad".

Be of one with God

[Man_of_Faith]

M o F "Salat(eh)" proposition v. 2.0 part VI
The "exemplary model"
Discussion and contextual analysis - Continuation IIOkay. Let us get back to the topic after some sliding off-topic in this article. I will, "God" willing, write an article about the mystery about the Arabic language another time. Just let me go through one last thing about 'amen'.

Anyway, when 'amen' is used as I was talking about before slipping into linguistics depending on what kind of image a person has in their mind, hence one can say like in this passage without that it really means that they are 'of one'.

28 And from the people are those who say ?We are (of)ones (be) with God and with the Realm,? but they are not with (lit. thereof) ones of those (ones).
29 They seek to deceive God and those who are thereof one, but they only deceive themselves without noticing.

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4159 And from the adherents of the Decree are those who refused to be ones with him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be witness against them.
4160 Because of the wickedness from among those who are Jewish, We made unlawful to them the good things that were lawful to them; and for their deterring many from the path of God.
4161 And for their taking of usury, while they were prohibited from doing so, and for their consuming the money of the people unjustly. We have prepared for the deluded among them a painful retribution.
4162 ...but those of them who are well founded in knowledge and of the ones with them with what was sent down to you and what was sent down before you, and of the ones who mind their behavior, and of the ones who perform deeds and the ones (thereof) with God and the Realm; to these We will give them their recompense greatly.

I suppose you can see that in 4162 I have corrected the translation a little. You see that 4162 is a direct opposite from 4160-161 which talks about very poor behavior and thence when it makes an exception "Behavior and deeds" are included, of course, because if one does not "aqum assalateh wa atoo azzakateh" then they do like previously, i.e. behave and act very badly. The passage talks in a very adhesive tone all the way relating to that bond with "God".

554 O you who are united, whoever from among you turns away from His concept, then God will bring a people whom He loves and they love Him which are meek towards the united ones, they offer the deluded guidance towards the cause of God and do not fear to be blamed by those who blame. This is the grace of God, He bestows it upon whom He wills; God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.
555 For your supporter are God and His messenger and those who are united; they mind the behavior and perform deeds and hence humble.
556 And whoever allies God and His messenger and those united; then the party of God are the ones who will be victorious.

• in 554 is entirely misinterpreted.

• Used to mark struggle in traditional interpretations, but I would rather say it means you want to help them find the way (the kafar). as a letter marks assistance/service/humble used for many such words like Sujud and Hajj or Good Service (which should be understood as Charity Work and not pilgrimage whereas Sujud means something like "complying" as a mental state). And the rest you probably already know from hud(an) from which the word is derived.

You see that the Arabic Qur'an already has turned a whole lot more unfriendly as a scripture by merely taking a look at the words and in the meantime you do not have any nonsensical pilgrimage to a dusty house in the desert but a meaningful time of devotion to those who need it. Jesus in the Gospel of the Biblical scriptures give a good "walkthrough" of how one does a "Charity Work", but Qur'an gives good guidance on this matter as well. The prophets were very thoughtful on this matter (or rather "God" which spirit they were walking in ).

Now you have a whole world falling apart when does henceforth no longer mean what you thought, so now you have to rethink a 41 occurrences of the word throughout the whole Qur'an. But do not worry, I am there to help you interpret.

Red When they offer guidance (as suggested above) to the deluded they are at risk of being blamed and this they are not afraid of. Please have faith in what I am telling you regarding my analyses of Qur'an, because I know something.

Note I thought that "unity" is actually a viable translation of "Be Thereof One", obviously. I feel like a jackass not reaching this conclusion earlier. It also showed me that only "John" of the Biblical Gospels seem to have understood what "Amen" means (perhaps showing that the others are fake). It is the only "Gospel" which uses "amen" as intended.

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Unfortunately I have to stop here for the night. Hope there will be any soul out there who will finally comprehend how fooled they have been.

Be of one with God

[Man_of_Faith]

M o F "Salat(eh)" proposition v. 2.0 part VIThe "exemplary model"Discussion and contextual analysis - Continuation IIIPlease let me simply continue from where I was in the last post.

557 O you who are united, do not take as allies those who have taken your concept for mockery and play from among those who practiced the Decree before you and became deluded in it. And be aware of God if you are united.
558 And if you call them to behave, they take it for mockery and play. That is because they are mindless people.
559 Say ?O adherents of the Decree, do you hate us simply because we are united in God and "in what was sent down to us and what was sent down before"?? Alas, the majority of them are wicked.
560 Say ?Shall I inform you of worse than this as a punishment from God? Those whom God cursed and became angry at them, and He made from them apes and pigs and servants of evil. Those have a worse place and are more astray from the right path.?
561 And if they come to you they say ?We are united,? while they had entered into delusion and went out with the same. God is aware of what they were hiding.
562 ...andyou see many of them hasten to sin and transgression and consuming money illicitly. Miserable indeed is what they were doing.

I seriously wonder what is the problem with people? Is not the context very clear here when I only corrected a few minor words to their actual meaning rather than conjectured meaning or erroneous grammatical inferences.

The reason WHY "God" is angry with them is absolutely clear in the narration.

Green Already this changing may be too much for you, but the phrase here does translate "What we do and what those before us did". I chose not to translate it not to make you lose track on what I am working on since it would mean a complete rephrasing.

Note I have not chosen to check through all Arabic text, but only skimmed through the text and happened to discover the falsehood.

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590 O you who are united, alcohol, and gambling, and altars, and arrows of chance are tainted - by the work of the devil. You shall avoid him so that you may be successful.
591 The devil only wants to cause strife between you through alcohol and gambling, and to repel you away from regarding God and from behaving. Will you be deterred?
592 And obey God and obey the messenger, and be aware. If you turn away then know that it is the duty of Our messenger to deliver clearly.
593 There is no sin upon those who are united and do good works for what they eat if they are aware and united and do good works, then they are aware and united, then they are aware and do good; God loves the good doers.

Note I have not checked any deeper as to the meaning of these words so we must presume that they mean as traditionally inferred. I do not argue for or against. Just showing what happens with the discourse when as-salateh is corrected.

Red Please be honest. What may happen when you consume alcohol? You already know since you know how alcohol may affect some people. Yes exactly, people lose their ability to have a sound judgment and hence you may misbehave.

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692 And this is a Decree which we follow, the right way, true to what is in his possession, and that you may warn the capital of the towns and those around it. And those who are united within the Realm are united about it and they control their behavior.
693 And who is more wicked than he who invents lies about God, and hence says ?It has been inspired to me,? when We did not inspire anything to him; or who says ?God gave me this example of how to be.? And if you could only see the wicked at the moments of death when the angels have their arms opened ?Bring yourselves out, today you will be given the severest punishment for what you used to say about God without truth, and you used to be arrogant towards His facts.?

Red See how the two passages are related to each other.
Green So far I have come to the conclusion all the talk about Kingdom from Jesus' part in the Gospel(s) is the Arabic equivalent. Obviously both Jesus and the talk in Qur'an refers to the realm of God, like "within" their Realm of God.

The worrisome part is that I am not dishonest to the original Arabic language but I am merely letting it speak for itself.

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'Longman Dictionary' third alternative meaning Realm

3 literary a country ruled by a king or queen

Although this "realm" is utterly abstract.

'Longman Dictionary' first alternative meaning Behavior

1 the things that a person or animal does

'Longman Dictionary' first alternative meaning Fact

1 'True Information' a piece of information that is known to be true

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6158 Do they wait until the angels come to them, or your Lord comes, or certain signs come from your Lord? The day certain signs come from your Lord, it will do no good for any soul to be united if it was not united before, or it gained good through its unity. Say ?Wait, for we are waiting.?
6159 Those who have divided their concept and become sects, you are not with them in anything. Their matter will be with God, then He will inform them of what they had done.
6160 Whoever does something good, he will receive ten times its worth, and whoever comes with a sin, he will only be recompensed its like; they will not be wronged.
6161 Say ?My Lord has guided me to an straight path, an upright concept, the ways of Abraham the monotheist; he was not of those who added another foundation.?
6162 Say ?My affection, and my contribution, and my life, and my death, are all to God, Lord of the worlds.?

This is how I would translate above given the Arabic form (red). Without 'heh' attached it turns out differently and reflects upon oneself.

It is similar to this phrase from the alleged "grave praying" except that the character is about to to something rather than already done as in 6162.

984 And do not show affection for any of them who have died, nor stand at their grave. They have been deluded about God and His messenger and died while they were wicked.

How someone in the first place can translate the above into "Contact Prayer" lacking the traditional prerequisites from a letter point is incredible to say the least.

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829 O you who are united, if you are aware of God, He will make a criterion for you, and He will cancel your sins and forgive you. God is possessor of great grace.
830 And the deluded plot against you to arrest you, or to kill you, or to expel you. And they plot, and God plots, and God is the best of plotters.
831 And if Our facts are conveyed to them, they say ?Surely we have listened, and if we wish we could have said the same thing, although if we would be like that we would do wrong?
832 And they said ?Our God, if this is the truth from You, then send down upon us a rain of stones from the heaven or bring upon us a painful retribution.?
833 And God will not punish them while you are with them, nor will God punish them while they continue to seek forgiveness.
834 And do not be with them concerning God and their ideas about 'the Commandments' and the way they follow them! Is one a follower thereby they are not right and to be like them is ignorant.
835 And should one act like them in the assembly then do not be like that and to have ideas like it will cause you to become deluded.
836 Those who are deluded will propagate their ideas about the path of God. They will propagate it, then it will become an anguish for them, then they will be defeated. Those who have been deluded will be gathered to Hell.
837 This is so that God will distinguish the bad from the good, and so that the bad will be gathered together into one heap then He will cast it all into Hell. These are the losers.
838 Say to the deluded ?If they cease, then what has passed before will be forgiven to them, and they will no longer be lost.?
839 And help them so long they are like that and make the concept for God, so if they cease, then God is Seer over what they do.
840 And if they turn away, then know that God is your Patron. What an excellent Patron, and what an excellent Victor.

Green The sad thing is that the same may happen today in 2014 if one preaches the same as the Qur'an truly teaches.
Red They would do wrong in the sect rituals and stuff. This is what they reply to. The prophet tells that they are deluded about their ritualistic ways and what one should do if united in the Realm. They are saying they are with God, since they continue "Our God, if this is the truth from You". Monotheist translation does lower-case "G" on God, but they do refer to the real "God" (Allah), but they are deluded in their sect about what God has really advocated. However, if you have noticed, none of the aware prophets and good men/women uses Allah when calling to God but they say "rabb". You must realize that this has to do with the understanding of the "non-objectified" realization about "God". Calling "rabb" means you invoke the foundation, i.e. the world rather than an object which means no fixed object. The sect members in 832 have the usual narrow-minded image of a god regarding Allah.
Blue You see clearly that these people are deluded sect members who belong to an organized "religion". It is only that they probably indulge in vain rituals which God does not punish them for but is detrimental or at least meaningless/redundant to them. They refused to believe the prophet and they were so sure that they were right that they invoked Allah to punish them even if the fact was that they were actually deluded.
Purple I henceforth disagree that Q - T - L means kill or fight. No, it means struggle with someone and I suspected it for some time without expressing it. Qatal literally means "Express Character Concrete" where the 'qaaf' marks a kind of expression. And express Character SOLID ought to mean that you want to turn them right. In fact, sadly, but true. Qatal means "help"(!).

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254 And Moses said to his people ?O my people, you have wronged your souls by taking the calf, so repent to your Maker, and kill help yourselves. That is better for you with your Maker, so He would forgive you. He is the Forgiving, the Merciful.?

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And helping the prophets without any good intention.

285
You were of those who did not help your own kin.

This is ABSOLUTELY serious. Honestly I had no idea that the corruption was this severe even if I suspected something was not right about "kill or fight" used in the context. My lower jaw nearly drops to the floor.

Honestly, I hope some person in the world begins to realize that I have run into some corruption this deep. Please my Sustainer, let people understand me.

And this all because I wanted to reveal what Salateh actually means.

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Just because I just found out this ridiculous falsehood please let us take a look upon another traditional context which advocates violence in Qur'an and see what the original Arabic actually wants to tell.

91 With characteristics like God and His messenger, the Associators may be alike.
92 So be good people towards them in the lands and know that you should be in service to God and that God handles the deluded.?
93 And should God and His messenger announce to people the Service day and the Associators who do not serve God and the messenger present the procedure to you and should they do like you then know you done God a great service and inform those who are deluded "about a severe punishment".
94 Do not promise those of the Associators such as who belittles you and hence been bad towards that you to be kind if they are like that until they shape up. Indeed God is kind towards the upright.
95 So if not perfect in their ways then help the Associators by being good and respectful to them and treat them well and be good images to them and be patient with them, show the best possible character and mind the behavior and perform deeds, so should they change this way then God is Merciful. (much inferred in the translation of this passage, however the gist should be right.
96 And should ones from the Associators be respecting you then respect them for possessing the spirit of God. Such is unity. Those of them who are mindless.
97 Cause them to be Associators concerning God and messenger. Do not be like them who concerning 'the Commandments', so do they bother you, then bother them. God is kind towards the upright.
98 Cause them and should they not be bad to you, not argue with you and treat you of the sorts should they not and be that at heart and make themselves a sound way.
99 To have their character the way of God would hence mean they found the path. Those will be the ones in possession of the spirit.
910 Do not be ones arguing who is united and who not, and previously you were like them.
911 Then should they remain and behave and perform deeds, then they are your brothers in the concept and do not follow disinformation that you have knowledge of.
912 And should they revert to their ways and make evil about the concept; then kill help the deluded ones of them, but do not do like them since you know what they do

Note There are likely several issues with the translation, but the intention was to make you aware somewhat what the context is talking about. The gist should be right. It is not easy to turn a mistreated discourse right over a fortnight. I can tell it was hard and took several hours. I found at least one case where the sentence was supposed to end with a new line where it did not (example of poor verse insertion).

What I hope for here is for people to get an overview of what the discourse may actually be talking about. It is my first real translation attempt using no other reference than my ability to comprehend the text. No external resources. But I verily tell you that the true translation of these passages look nothing like the usual translations you find.

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Be of one with God

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M o F KAFAR article v 1.0 part I

KAFAR - What does it mean? Disbeliever or... distorter/inventor?

Okay. I find that it is time to bring forth what I have discovered and settled on regarding the Arabic word 'kafar' as well as put it in testing throughout Qur'an and I will use 'Monotheist Translation' as reference. It is far from accurate, but I still have not finished my own and I cannot sit and re-translate every passage for this purpose although I will correct the obvious.

I know the translation is in many cases wrong and the word is often included in an erroneous context, but this is for exposure only on the point of disbeliever vs. distorter. What the people whom "God" is so angry with have done is to corrupt the revelations of "God" and even invent things rather than disbelieve them.

The study is based on the logical assumption that kafar is on a literal sense by breaking it down into morphemes Purpose Cause Result/subject (bring) Forth Mode of manipulation Foundation plus the from a literal qualitative sense on own translation attempts as well as existing translations. Please take what I wrote about morphemes here into consideration when evaluating the probability of what it stands for in the narrative. Kafar (the root) occurs 524 times throughout the whole Qur'an.

I will also apply my understanding of 'iman/amen' throughout this article.

Deep study

26 As for those who conjecture, whether you warn them or do not warn
them, they will not be inclined.

219 Or like a storm cloud from the sky, in it is darkness and thunder and lightning. They place their fingers in their ears from the thunder-claps for fear of death; and God is aware of the inventors.

223 And if you are in doubt as to what We have sent down to Our servant, then bring a chapter like this, and call upon your witnesses other than God if you are truthful.
224 And if you cannot do this; and you will not be able to do this; then beware the Fire whose fuel is people and stones, it has been prepared for the inventors.

Note Please pay attention to highlighted elements in the translation.

226 God does not shy away from putting forth the example of a mosquito, or anything above it. As for those who believe, they know that it is the truth from their Lord. As for the inventors, they say ?What does God intend with this example?? He strays many by it, and He guides many by it; but He only strays by it the wicked.

Comment Allegories have been used previously by prophets to confuse sectarians. In the Gospel Jesus uses allegories to confuse the "Pharisees" and scholars/scribes. The KAFARS of Qur'an are people who come up with something and attribute it to "God".

228 How can you conjecture about God when you were dead and He brought you to life? Then He makes you die, then He brings you to life, then to Him you return.

234 And We said to the angels ?Yield to Adam,? so they yielded except for Satan, he refused and became arrogant, and became of the inventors/distorters (the word means "cause forth foundation&quot.

239 And those who invent and "attribute" regarding Our revelations, they are the dwellers of Hell, in it they will abide.

Note I am going to look further on eventually, but right now it appears to mean to apply it in a context.

241 And be inclined towards what I have sent down, authenticating what is with you, and do not be the first to conjecture with it! And do not purchase with My revelations a cheap gain, and of Me you shall be aware.

261 And you said ?O Moses, we will not be patient to one type of food, so call for us your Lord that He may bring forth what the earth grows of its beans, cucumbers, garlic, lentils, and onions.? He said ?Would you trade that which is lowly with that which is good?? Descend Egypt, you will have in it what you have asked for. And they were stricken with humiliation and disgrace, and they remained under the wrath of God for they were conjecturing regarding the revelations of God, and correcting the prophets without right; this is for what they have disobeyed and transgressed.

Note See that I am more than likely right about this article and closer to the truth than I have been so far whatsoever without intending to be arrogant. I just want to help fellow brothers and sisters to see the delusion.

285 But then here you are correcting each other and expelling a group of you from their homes; you act towards them with evil and animosity. And if they come to you as prisoners, you ransom them while it was unlawful for you to expel them! Are you inclined towards part of the decree and invent regarding the other? The punishment for those among you who do so is humiliation in this worldly life, and on the Day of Resurrection they will be delivered to the most severe retribution. God is not unaware of what you all do.

288 And they said ?Our hearts are sealed!? No, it is God who has cursed them for their conjecture, for very little are they inclined.
289 And when a Decree came to them from God, authenticating what is with them; while before that they were mocking those who invented; so when what they knew came to them, they added to it! The curse of God be upon the inventors.
290 Miserable indeed is what they purchase with their souls, that they invent about what God has sent down as a resentment that God would send down from His grace to whom He pleases of His servants; thus they have incurred wrath upon wrath. And the inventors will have a humiliating retribution.
291 And if it is said to them ?Be inclined towards what God has sent down;? they say ?We are inclined only towards what was sent down to us,? and they invent what came after it, while it is the truth authenticating what is with them. Say ?Why then did you correct the prophets of God if you were inclined (even accepting it)??

Note The 'amen' word has several English connotations and the ones used here so far is accept and inclination. And here as well as at an earlier instance mention above it traditionally says "kill" based on the erroneous inference that Q - T - L means kill/fight, however this inference is wrong, means to correct/improve something. And here it means in an ironical sense that they "corrected" the revelation from "God" via the enlightened one (prophet).

292 And Moses had come to you with clear proofs, then you took the calf after him; you were wicked!
293 And We took your covenant, and raised the mount above you ?Take what We have given you with strength, and listen.? They said ?We hear and disobey!? And they had consumed the calf inside their hearts by their invention. Say ?Miserable indeed is what your spirituality orders of you if you are inclined!?

298 ?Whoever is an enemy to God and His angels, and His messengers, and Gabriel, and Michael, then so God is the enemy to the inventors.?
299 We have sent down to you clear revelations; only the wicked would add to them.

2102 And they followed what the devils conveyed regarding the kingship of Solomon. Solomon did not invent, but it was the devils who invented by teaching people magic, and teaching them what was sent down on the two angels in Babylon, Haroot and Maroot. They did not teach anyone until they would say ?We are a test, so do not lose faith!? Thus they teach what can separate between a person and his mate; but they cannot harm anyone except with the permission of God. And they learn what harms them and does not benefit them, and they have known that he who purchases such has no place in the Hereafter. Miserable indeed is what they purchased with their souls if only they knew!

2104 O you who have affinity, do not say ?Shepherd us,? but say ?Be patient with us,? and listen. For the inventors is a painful retribution.
2105 Not do those who have invented from among the adherents of the decree, and that are "sectarians", wish that any good comes down to you from your Lord. But God chooses with His mercy whom He wishes; and from God is the greatest grace.

Note Another achievement is regarding mushrik, it means "associate foundation cause" where the reason why is in the end indicates that it is already something in existence. does not mean an additional 'not', but it means 'that be/are' following the initial 'not' (&#1575. A mushrik is a person who has been deluded by inventions. For simplicity I used the common forum term 'sectarian' for the sake of sanity.

2108 Or do you want to ask your messenger as Moses was asked before? Whoever replaces acceptance with invention, he has indeed strayed from the right path.

Note Now I understand why in the Hebrew/Aramaic text the people yell 'amen' after the clerics reads up religious laws in the elder Biblical narratives. An example (from mind) "God" orders you that you should not kill. (the crowd) AMEN! (We accept) and A - M - N means literally Be Thereof One. Inclination is a more formal word I would say. It is important to realize for a person who accepts what I write that the word means acceptance/inclination and NOT 'belief' whatsoever and same goes for kafar and NOT meaning disbelief.

2109 Many of the adherents to the Decree have wished that they could return you to being inventors after your acceptance, out of envy from their souls after the truth was made clear to them. You shall forgive them and overlook until God brings His will. God is capable of all things.

Note I have a feeling that the traditional translation is wrong above, but I will not slow down to correct today. They probably want to return you to the inventions they have come up with and that probably only due to their delusion of what is the right revelation.

2121 Those to whom We gave the Decree, they convey it as it truthfully deserves to be conveyed; they accept it. As for those who add to it, they are the losers.

2126 And Abraham said ?My Lord, make this a faithful land, and provide for its inhabitants of the fruits for whoever accepts God and the Last Day.? He said ?As for he who invents, I will let him enjoy for a while, then I will force him to the retribution of the Fire. What a miserable destiny!?

2152 So regard Me that I may regard you, and be thankful to Me and do not invent.

2161 Surely, those who have invented and then died as inventors; they will be cursed by God, and the angels, and all the people.

2171 And the example of those who invent is like one who repeats what he has heard of calls and cries; deaf, dumb, and blind, they do not comprehend.

2191 And correct them wherever you encounter them, and make them an example of you, and let them be corrected. And do not correct them regarding the Commandments as you have been corrected about it; if they lecture you then correct them, thus is the recompense of the inventors.

Note I am not going to walk through this passage and deep-correct it in its Arabic at this article. But there is no killing in the original Arabic, it speaks about making sure that sectarians are informed of what is right regarding the proper information about the decree and commandments of "God". I corrected more than I had first intended. Satan is probably mad.

2212 This worldly life has been made pleasing to the inventors, and they mock those who have accepted. And those who are righteous will be above them on the Day of Resurrection; God provides for whoever He wishes without a price.

2217 They ask you about the particular "month" ?Is there correction/manipulation/change in it?? Say ?Much correction/manipulation/change is in it, and to repel from the path of God and to invent about it, and the Commandments, to drive its adherents away from it is far worse with God, and persecution is better than being corrected/manipulated.? And they still will correct/argue you until they turn you back from your system if they are able. And whoever of you turns back from his system, and he dies while inventing, then these have nullified their works in this world and the next; these are the people of the Fire, in it they will abide!

Note The mainstream translation is entirely "out bicycling", but I am not correcting the passage at this time.

2250 And when they came forth to Goliath and his soldiers, they said ?Our Lord grant us patience, and make firm our foothold, and grant us victory over those who intend to invent.?

2253 Such messengers, We have preferred some over others; some of them talked to God, and He raised some of them in rank, and We gave Jesus, son of Mary, the clear proofs and We supported him with the Holy Spirit. And had God wished, the people after them would not have fought after the proofs had come to them, but they disputed, some of them accepted and some of them invented. If God had wished they would not have corrected/changed/manipulated it, but God does what He pleases.
2254 O you who accept, spend from what We have provided for you before a Day comes when there is no trade, nor friendship, nor intercession; and the inventors are the wicked.

Note The word's true meaning is beginning to come forth through this rendering and correction of the passages. It is like starting a chain-reaction.

2256 There is no compulsion in the system; the proper way has been clarified from the wrong way. Whoever is firm from inventing evil, and accepts God, indeed he has taken grasp of the strongest hold that will never break. God is Hearer, Knower.
2257 God is the ally of those who accept/are inclined, He brings them out of the darkness and into the light. As for those who invent, their allies are the evil ones, they bring them out of the light and into the darkness; these are the people of the Fire, in it they will abide.
2258 Have you not noted him who debated with Abraham regarding his Lord, while God had given him a kingship? Abraham said ?My Lord is the One who gives life and death,? he said ?I bring life and death.? Abraham said ?God brings the sun from the east, so you bring it from the west.? The one who invented was baffled! And God does not guide the wicked people.

Note I have not invented a meaning not in the Qur'anic text. This is the outcome of the Arabic text albeit in paraphrasing since I am not too happy about rewriting the 'Monotheist Translation' for this article.

2264 O you who accept, do not nullify your charities with insult and harm; like the one who spends his money in vanity to show off to the people, and he does not accept God and the Last Day. His example is like a stone on which there is dust, then it is subjected to a heavy rain which leaves it bare. They cannot do anything with what they have earned; and God does not guide the inventing people.

2271 If you volunteer, then it is admirable; and you work for your advantage and do them for the poor, then that is better for you. And He cancels some of your sins; and God is Expert to all that you do.

Note Above is a very quick correction, not right entirely or even many errors but you get the main idea. Notice that the 'kafar' word does not need to have a negative meaning but it simply means to 'bring forth something'.

2276 God condemns usury, and He grants growth to the charities. And God does not love any wicked inventor.

2286 God does not burden a soul except with what it can bear. For it is what it earns, and against it is what it earns. ?Our Lord, do not mind us if we forget or make mistakes; our Lord, do not place a burden upon us as You have placed upon those before us; our Lord, do not place upon us what we cannot bear; pardon us, and forgive us, and have mercy on us; You are our patron, so grant us victory over the inventors.?

34 From before as a guidance for the people, and He sent down the Criterion. Those who invented the revelations of God, they will have a severe retribution, and God is Noble, exacting in Revenge.

310 As for those who invented, neither their money nor their children will avail them anything from God. They are the fuel of the Fire.

312 Say to those who have invented ?You will be defeated and gathered towards Hell, what a miserable abode!?
313 There was a sign for you in the two groups that met. One was exhorting in the cause of God, and the other was inventing. They thus saw them as twice their number with their eyes. And God supports with His victory whom He wills. In this is a lesson for those with vision.

These feelings I have towards the sectarian clerics and scholars myself.

319 The concept with God is harmony/spirituality, and those who received the Decree did not dispute except after the knowledge came to them out of jealousy between them. And whoever invents revelations about God, then God is swift in judgment.

321 Those who invent revelations about God and exhort the prophets without right, and exhort those who order justice from among the people; inform them of a painful retribution.

328 Let not the acceptors take the inventors as allies instead of the acceptors. And whoever does so will have nothing with God; for you are to be cautious of them as they deserve. And God warns you of Himself, and to God is the destiny.

332 Say ?Obey God and the messenger.? But if they turn away, then God does not love the inventors.

352 So when Jesus felt their ideas, he said ?Who are my supporters to God?? The disciples said ?We are the supporters of God, we accept God and we bear witness that we are spiritually thereof.?

Note If you read the Biblical Gospel you will notice that Jesus could basically read minds or had very good ability to see what went on in the mind of people.

355 For God said ?O Jesus, I will terminate your life, and raise you to Me, and cleanse you of those who have invented, and make those who have followed you above those who have invented until the Day of Resurrection. Then to Me is your return, all of you,so I will judge between you in what it was that you disputed.?
356 ?As for those who have invented, I will punish them severely in this world and in the Hereafter, they will have no supporters.?

Note Most noteworthy if you read the Biblical scripture "God" speaks of the Pharisees and scholars.

370 ?O adherents of the Decree, why do you invent revelations of God while you are bearing witness??
371 ?O adherents of the decree, why do you confound the truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know??
372 And a group from among the adherents of the Decree said ?Accept what was sent down to those who accept during the beginning of the day, and add to it by the end of it, perhaps they will return.?

Note The traditional translation of 372 does not make sense if one applies logic. How can they stop accepting (formerly believe) it by the end of the day if they accepted it? It is the usual adding to what has been revealed by "God" practiced by the sectarians.

380 Nor does He order you that you take the angels and the prophets as patrons. Would He order you to invention after you have become faithful?

386 How can God guide a people who have invented after accepting, and they had witnessed that the messenger was true, and the clarity had come to them? God does not guide the wicked people.

390 Those who have invented after they accept, then caused an addition, their repentance will not be accepted, they are the strayers.
391 Those who have invented and died while they had invented, if the earth full of gold were to be ransomed with it would not be accepted from any of them. For these there will be a painful retribution and they will have no supporters.

397 In it are clear signs the example of Abraham. And whoever approaches it has accepted. And God is owed from the (spiritual) people to make a good contribution to the Assembly, whoever can mend their ways. And whoever invents, then God has no need of the worlds.
398 Say ?O adherents of the decree, why do you invent revelations of God, while God is witness over what you do??

3100 O you who accept, if you obey a group of those who received the Decree they will turn you after your affinity into inventors!
3101 And how can you invent when the revelations of God are being conveyed to you and with you is His messenger? And whoever holds firmly to God has been guided to the straight path.

3106 The Day on which faces will be lightened and faces will be darkened; as for those whose faces will be darkened ?Did you invent after accepting? Taste the retribution for what you invented.?

3112 They are struck with humiliation wherever they are encountered, except for a rope from God and a rope from the people. And they stayed in the wrath of God and were struck with humiliation; that is because they were inventing revelations of God and exhorting to be prophets without right; that is for what they disobeyed and were transgressing.

3115 And they do not make additions to the established, and God is aware of the righteous.
3116 As for those who invented, neither their money nor their children will avail them anything from God. These are the people of the Fire, in it they abide.

3127 Thus He will sever a group of those who invent, or disgrace them; then they will turn back frustrated.

3131 And be aware of the Fire that has been prepared for the inventors.

3141 And God will test those who accept and He will condemn the inventors.

3147 And they did not say except ?Our Lord, forgive us our sins and our shortcomings in our responsibility, and make firm our foothold, and grant us victory over the inventing people.?

3149 O you who accept, if you obey those who have invented, then they will turn you back on your heels and you will turn back as losers.

3151 We will cast terror in the hearts of those who have invented, because of what they have set up besides God while He never sent down any authority to do so, and their destiny is the Fire. Miserable is the abode of the wicked.

3156 O you who accept do not be like those who invented and said to their brothers when they had gone forth in the land or on the offensive ?If they were here with us they would not have died nor been exhorted.? God will make this a source of grief in their hearts, and God grants life and death, and God is watching over what you do.

3167 And to let those who are hypocrites know, that they were told ?Come hear about the path of God and hence learn,? they said ?If we "understood" what we heard we would have followed you.? They are closer to invention than they are to acceptance. They say with their mouths what is not in their hearts, and God is aware of what they conceal.

3176 And do not be saddened by those who rush towards additions. They will not harm God in the least. God does not wish to make for them any share in the Hereafter, and they will have a painful retribution.
3177 Those who have purchased inventions with affinity will not harm God in the least, and they will have a painful retribution.
3178 And let not those who invent think that We are providing for them out of the goodness of themselves. We are only providing for them so that they may increase in transgression, and they will have a humiliating retribution.

3193 ?Our Lord, we have heard a caller inviting to the faith ?Accept your Lord,? so we have accepted. Our Lord forgive us our bad deeds, and forgive our sins, and let us die in the company of the righteous.?

3195 Their Lord answered them ?I do not waste the work of any worker from among you, whether male or female, you are all as each other. For those who joined and were driven-out from their assemblies and were harmed in My cause, and exhorted and were exhorted, I will forgive for them their sins and admit them to estates with rivers flowing beneath them.? A recompense from God; and God has the best recompense.
3196 Do not be deceived by the success of those who have invented in the land.

418 And there will be no repentance for those who commit sin then when death comes upon any one of them he says ?I repent now!? Nor for those who die while they are inventors. For those We have prepared a painful retribution.

437 Those who are stingy and order the people to stinginess, and they conceal what God has given them from His bounty. And We have prepared for those works a humiliating retribution.

Note I realized in these passages 'works' suits better as the consequence of what they have done will give them this retribution.

442 On that Day those who invented and attributed it to the the messenger will wish that the earth would swallow them; but they cannot hide any narrative from God.

446 From among those who are Jewish are some who take the words out of context, and they say ?We hear and disobey, and listen but let not any listen, and shepherd us,? in a twisting of their tongues and as a mockery of the system! And had they said ?We hear and obey, and listen, and watch over us,? it would have been better for them and more upright; but God has cursed them for their inventions, they do not accept except very little.

451 Did you not see those who were given a portion of the Decree, they accept sorcery and evil, and they say to those who invent ?You are better guided than those who accept the path.?

456 Those who have added to Our revelations, We will admit them to a Fire. Every time their skins are cooked, We replace them with other skins that they may taste the retribution. God is Noble, Wise.

460 Did you not see those who claimed they had accepted what was sent down to you and what was sent before you? They wanted to seek judgment using evil, while they were ordered to add to it. It is the devil who wants to lead them far astray.

476 Those who accept exhort towards the cause of God, while those who invent exhort in the cause of evil; so exhort the supporters of the devil, for the planning of the devil is weak.

484 So exhort in the cause of God; you are responsible for your souls. And enjoin towards (spiritual) affinity ?Perhaps God will put a stop to the might of those who invent.? And God is far Mightier and far more Punishing.

489 They hope that you will invent as they have invented, then you will be the same. Do take them as allies only if they join in the cause of God. If they heed, then take them and exhort them as you can; and be to them of assistance and a helper.

4101 And if you go forth in the land, then it is wise that you sharpen your behavior, if you fear that the inventors will try you. The inventors are to you a clear problem.
4102 And if you are with them then mind your behavior with them, then let a group from among them stand with you and let them bring their arguments; and when they show respect then let them be behind you; and let a group who has not yet made correspondence come and have correspondence with you, and let them be controlled and bring their arguments. The inventors hope that you would slip with your arguments and manner so they can put you down. There is no sin upon you if you are overwhelmed and confused, that you put down your arguments. And be controlled. God has prepared for the inventors a humiliating retribution.

Note I could improve the translation better than this, but here you have the approximate translation of this passage. Virtually everything in the Monotheist Translation has to be changed.

4131 And to God is what is in the heavens and the earth; and We have instructed those who were given the Decree before you, and you, to be aware of God. And if you make addition, then to God is all that is in the heavens and the earth; God is Rich, Praiseworthy.

4136 O you who accept; have affinity with God and His messenger, and the Decree which was sent down to His messenger, and the Decree which was sent before. And whoever invents about God, and His angels, and His Decrees, and His messengers, and the Last Day; then he has strayed a far straying.
4137 Those who accepted, then made additions, then accepted, then made additions, then they increased in inventions; God was not to forgive them nor to guide them to the path.

4139 Those who take the inventors as allies instead of the acceptors ?Do they seek glory with them?? All glory belongs to God.
4140 And it has been sent down to you in the Decree, that if you hear the revelations of God being added to and mocked, then do not align with them until they move on to a different narrative; if not, then you are like them. God will gather the hypocrites and the inventors in Hell all together.
4141 Those who linger and observe you, if you have a victory from God they say ?Were we not with you?? And if the inventors have success, they say ?Did we not side with you and deter the acceptors from you?? God will judge between you on the Day of Resurrection, and God will not grant the inventors any success over the acceptors.

Note Jesus in the Biblical Gospel talks much about scribes. Here you have them in Qur'an.

4144 O you who accept, do not take the inventors as allies instead of those of affinity. Do you want God to have a reason against you?

4150 Those who invented about God and His messengers, and they want to make a separation between God and His messengers, and they say ?We accept some and add to some!? And they desire to take a path in-between.
4151 These are the true inventors; and We have prepared for the inventors a humiliating retribution.

4155 So, for the breaking of their covenant, and their invention of revelations about God, and their exhortation to be prophets without right, and their saying ?Our hearts are shielded.? Indeed, God has stamped upon their hearts because of their inventions; they do not have affinity, except for a few.
4156 And for their inventions and their saying about Mary a great falsehood.

Okay. That is enough for now brothers and sisters. I hope some soul will comprehend.

Have faith

[Man_of_Faith]

M o F KAFAR article v 1.0 part II

KAFAR - What does it mean? Disbeliever or... fabricator/inventor?

I sincerely hope that there is someone who sees what I see in the work I am committed to. And

oftentimes here I do not make any particular changes to the 'Monotheist Translation' either, but

only corrects specific words that I know are wrong.

Continued Deep study

4161 And for their taking of usury, while they were prohibited from doing so, and for their

consuming the money of the people unjustly. We have prepared for the inventors among them a

painful retribution.

4167 Those who have fabricated and turned away from the path of God, they have strayed a

far straying.
4168 Those who have fabricated and did wrong, God was not to forgive them, nor guide them

to a path.
4169 Except to the path of Hell, they will abide therein eternally. For God this is very

easy.
4170 O people, a messenger has come to you with the truth from your Lord, so accept; that is

better for you. And if you fabricate, then to God is what is in the heavens and the earth.

And God is Knowledgeable, Wise.

Note I change the word from invent to fabricate since I feel the dictionary definition

suits well. Cannot you see that the amount of hate is exaggerated for the notion of mere

"disbelief" about putting someone so fiercely and angrily in Hell?

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53 "Forbidden" to you is that which is already dead, and the blood, and the meat of pig, and what

was dedicated to other than God, and that which has been strangled, and that which has been beaten

to death, and that which has fallen from a height, and that which has been gored, and that which

the wild animals have eaten from except what you managed to rescue, and what has been slaughtered

on altars, and what you divide through arrows of chance. This is vile. Today the fabricators

have given up from your system, so do not be concerned by them, but be concerned by Me. Today I

have perfected your system for you, and completed My blessings upon you, and I have approved

submission as the system for you. So, whoever is forced by severe hunger and not seeking sin, then

God is Forgiving, Merciful.

Note It should be observed that does not mean forbid but "of goodly foundation", but

this translation by the 'Monotheist group' is erroneous, although I am not willing to work on this

size of passage in this exposure about kafar. The passage likely begins talking about something

else here then turns over to speak of ( (, i.e. "not goodly".

55 Today, the good things have been made lawful to you, and the food of those who have been given

the Decree is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them; and the independent females

from those who are of affinity, and the independent females from those who have been given

the Decree before you, if you have given them their dowries, to be independent, not for

illicit sex or taking lovers. And whoever fabricates about faith, then his work has fallen,

and in the Hereafter he is of the losers.

510 And those who fabricate and attribute to Our revelations, they are the dwellers

of Hell.

512 God has taken the covenant of the Children of Israel and raised from them twelve

representatives, and God said ?I am with you if you mind your behavior, and are helpful

, and accept My messengers, and support them, and lend God a loan of righteousness; then

I will cancel your sins and admit you into estates with rivers flowing beneath them.? Whoever

fabricates after this from you, then he has strayed from the path.

517 Fabricators indeed are those who have said ?God is the Messiah, son of Mary.? Say

?Who has any power against God if He had wanted to destroy the Messiah, son of Mary, and his

mother, and all who are on the earth!? And to God is the sovereignty of the heavens and the earth

and all that is in-between; He creates what He pleases. God is capable of all things.

536 Those who have fabricated, if they had all that is on the earth and the same again with

it to ransom against the retribution of the Day of Resurrection, it will not be accepted from them;

and they will have a painful retribution.

541 O messenger, do not be saddened by those who increase in fabrication from among those

who said ?We accept? with their mouths while their hearts did not accept. And from

among those who are Jewish, there are those who listened to lies; they listened to people who never

came to you; they distort the words from their context, and they say ?If you are given this, then

take it, but if you are given anything different, then beware!? And whoever God wants to test, then

you will not possess anything for him against God. These are the ones whose hearts God did not want

to cleanse; in this world they will have humiliation, and in the Hereafter they will have a great

retribution.

544 We have sent down the Torah (Torateh, lit. instruction), in it is a guidance and a light; the

prophets who have faith judged with it for those who are Jewish, and the Devotees, and the

Priests, for what they were entrusted of the Decree of God, and they were witness over. So

do not be concerned with the people but be concerned with Me; and do not purchase with My

revelations a cheap price. And whoever does not judge with what God has sent down, then these are

the fabricators.
545 And We have decreed for them in it that a life for a life, and an eye for an eye, and a nose

for a nose, and an ear for an ear, and a tooth for a tooth, and wounds to be similar; and whoever

adds anything to it, then it will "cancel" sins for him. And whoever does not judge

with what God has sent down, then these are the wicked.

554 O you who accept, whoever from among you turns away from His concept, then God

will bring a people whom He loves and they love Him; humble towards the ones of affinity,

honorable towards the fabricators; they strive in the cause of God and do not fear to

be blamed by those who blame. This is the grace of God, He bestows it upon whom He wills; God is

Encompassing, Knowledgeable.

557 O you who believe, do not take as allies those who have taken your concept for mockery

and play from among those who have been given the Decree before you and the fabricators

. And be aware of God if you have affinity.

561 And if they come to you they say ?We accept,? while they had entered in with

fabrication and went out with the same. God is aware of what they were hiding.

564 And the Jews said ?The hand of God is tied-down!? Their hands will be tied-down, and they

will be cursed for what they have said. No, His hands are wide open spending as He wills. And for

many of them, what has been sent down to you will increase them in rebellion and fabrication

; and We have cast between them animosity and hatred until the Day of Resurrection. Every time

they ignite the fire of war, God puts it out; and they seek to make corruption in the land; and God

does not love the corrupters.
565 And if the adherents of the Decree only had accepted and been aware, We

would have cancelled for them their sins and admitted them to gardens of bliss.
566 And if they had upheld the Torah (Torateh) and the Gospel (Injeel), and what was

sent down to them from their Lord, they would have been rewarded from above them and from beneath

their feet. From among them is a pious nation, but most of them only do evil.
567 O messenger, deliver what was sent down to you from your Lord, and if you do not then you have

not delivered His message; and God will protect you from the people. And God does not guide the

fabricating people.
568 Say ?O adherents of the Decree, you are not upon anything until you uphold the Torateh

and the Gospel and what was sent down to you from your Lord.? And for many of them, what was sent

down to you from your Lord will only increase them in transgression and fabrication. So do

not feel sorry for the fabricating people.

572 Fabricators indeed are those who have said ?God is the Messiah, son of Mary.? And the

Messiah said ?O Children of Israel, serve God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever sets up partners

with God, then God will restrict the Paradise from him, and his destiny will be the Fire; and the

wicked will have no supporters.?
573 Fabricators indeed are those who have said ?God is a trinity!? There is no god except

One god. If they do not cease from what they are saying, then those who fabricate from among

them will be afflicted with a painful retribution.

577 Say ?O adherents to the Decree, do not overstep in your concept other

than the truth, and do not follow the desires of a people who have been misguided before, and they

misguide many; and they strayed from the right path.?
578 Cursed are those who have fabricated from among the Children of Israel by the tongue of

David and Jesus, son of Mary. That is for what they have disobeyed, and for what they transgressed.
579 They would not stop each other from doing vice. Wickedness is what they used to do.

580 You see many of them allying the fabricators. Wicked is what their souls have provided

for them, for the wrath of God is upon them, and in the retribution they will abide.
581 And if they had accepted God and the prophet, and what was sent down to him,

then they would not have taken them as allies; but many of them are wicked.

586 And those who rejected and attributed (it) with Our revelations; they are the

dwellers of Hell.

5102 Some before you minded to ask the same, then they became fabricators with

it.

Note 5102 is connected with 5101 and it is about listening to a prophet revealing

something without clearly understanding it and, based on this, conjecture regarding the realm of

"God".

5103 God did not decree any restrictions for combining of livestock, or roaming livestock, or ones

that give twin births, or a male camel freed from work; but the people who fabricated attributed

lies to God, and most of them do not comprehend.

Note If one has studied the Jewish jurisdiction they will find this kind of falsehood in

the 'Tanakh'. Qur'an exposes the falsehood. The Jews have fabricated lots of religious rules just

as the Muslims.

5110 God said ?O Jesus, son of Mary, recall My blessings upon you and your mother, that I

supported you with the Holy Spirit; you spoke to the people in the cradle and middle-age; and I

taught you the Decree and the wisdom, and the Torateh, and the Gospel; and you would create

from clay the shape of a bird, then blow into it and it becomes a bird with My permission; and you

would heal the blind and the leaper with My permission; and you would bring out the dead with My

permission. And I have restrained the Children of Israel from you, that you came to them with

proofs; but those who fabricated among them said ?This is clearly magic!??

Note This is exactly what the Pharisees/Parsu sect said in the courtroom with Pontius

Pilate, that he performed this as sorcery and not by "God". The Pharisees were fabricators without

perceiving it. They followed tradition.

5115 God said ?I will send it down to you, but whoever fabricates after this from among

you, I will punish him a punishment like no one else from the worlds will be punished!?

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61 Praise be to God who has created the heavens and the earth, and Who made the darkness and the

light; yet those who have fabricated about their Lord continue to deviate.

67 And if We had sent down to you a decree already written on paper, and they touched it

with their own hands, then those who have fabricated would say ?This is but clear magic!?

Note I must say that the Kafar word does not mean that one must be aware that they have invented

or follow inventions, but nevertheless it refers to "extra-religious" teachings.

625 And from them are those who listen to you; and We have made covers over their hearts to

prevent them from understanding it, and a deafness in their ears; and if they see every sign they

will not accept; even when they come to you they argue, those who fabricate say

?This is nothing except fictional tales of old!?

Note They do not say "This is nothing except fictional tales of old!", they say it is nonsense

basically, something evil and misleading, as they do not accept that this person is prophet. These

people do "believe" in "God" but only in their conjecture regarding "God".

630 And if you could see them when they are standing at their Lord; He said ?Is this not the

truth?? They said ?Yes, by our Lord,? He said ?Then taste the retribution for what you have

fabricated.?

670 Leave alone those who have taken their system for play and distraction, and this worldly life

has tempted them. And remind with it that a soul will suffer for what it has earned, it will not

have besides God any supporter nor intercessor; and even if it brings all justice, none will be

accepted from it. These are the ones who have suffered with what they have earned; for them will be

a boiling drink, and a painful retribution for what they had fabricated.

689 Those to whom We have given the Decree, and the law, and the prophethood, if they

fabricate, then We will entrust it to a people who will not be fabricators.

6122 Is he who was dead and to whom We gave life, and We made for him a light to walk with among

the people, as he whose example is in darkness and he will not exit from it? It is such that the

work of the fabricators has been adorned for them.

6130 ?O assembly of Faithless and are of mankind, did not messengers come to you

from among you and tell to you My revelations, and warn you of the meeting of this Day?? They said

?Yes, we bear witness upon ourselves;? and the worldly life deceived them, and they bore witness

upon themselves that they were fabricators.

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737 Who is more wicked than he who comes forth wrong about God, or attributes it to

His revelations? These will receive their recompense from the record; so that when Our messengers

come to terminate their lives, they will say ?Where are those whom you used to call on besides

God?? They said ?They have abandoned us!? And they bore witness upon themselves that they were

fabricators.

745 ?The ones who repel from the path of God, and sought to make it crooked; and regarding the

Hereafter they were fabricators.?

750 And the dwellers of the Fire called on the dwellers of the Paradise ?Give us some water, or

what God has provided for you?? They said ?God has made it forbidden for the fabricators.?

766 The leaders who intentionally fabricated said ?We see you in foolishness, and we think

you are one of the liars?

776 Those who were arrogant said ?In that which you accept, he fabricates!?

790 And the leaders who intentionally fabricated said ?If you follow Shu?ayb, then you are

losers.?

793 Thus he turned away from them, and said ?My people, I have delivered to you the messages of

my Lord and advised you. How can I feel sorry over intentional fabricators??

7101 These are the towns whose news We told to you; their messengers had come to them with proofs,

but they would not accept that which they had denied before. It is such that God stamps on

the hearts of the fabricators.

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87 And God promises you that one of the two parties will be defeated by you; and you wish that the

one least armed be the one. But God wishes that the truth be manifest with His words, and that He

eliminates the remnant of the fabricators.

812 Your Lord inspired to the angels ?I am with you so keep firm those of affinity. I will

cast terror into the hearts of those who have fabricated; so strike above the necks, and

strike from them every one standing.?
813 That is because they have transgressed against God and His messenger. And whoever

transgresses against God and His messenger, then God is severe in retribution.
814 This is for you to sample, and for the fabricators will be a retribution of Fire.
815 O you of affinity; when you encounter those who have fabricated outdoors, then

show firmness towards them

818 That, and God weakens the plans of the fabricators.

829 O you of affinity, if you are aware of God, He will make a criterion for you, and He

will "shape for you your person" and forgive you. God is possessor of great grace.
830 And the fabricators plot against you to arrest you, or to exhort you, or to

expel you/freeze you out. And they plot, and God plots, and God is the best of plotters.

835 And their behavior/acting at the assembly was nothing but noise and aversion.

Taste the retribution for what you have fabricated.
836 Those who have fabricated, they spend their resources/efforts to turn others

away from the path of God. They will spend it, then it will become an anguish for them, then they

will be defeated. Those who have fabricated will be gathered to Hell.

838 Say to the fabricators ?If they cease, then what has passed before will be forgiven to

them, and if they return to it, then the example of the previous generations has already been

given.?

I realized that Jesus is using "scribes" for the same word in the testimonies about him

written by his followers and witnesses

850 And if you could only see as the angels terminate the lives of those who have fabricated

, they put forth their ideas and their attributions ?Taste the punishment of the

blazing Fire!?

852 Works like the people of Pharaoh, and those before them; they fabricated facts about

God, so God took them by their sins. God is Strong, severe in punishment.

855 The worst creatures to God are those who fabricate, for what they are inclined

towards.

859 And let not those who have fabricated think that they have escaped; they will never

avail themselves.

865 O prophet, encourage those of affinity through exhortion. If there are twenty of you

who are patient, they will defeat two hundred. And if there are one hundred of you, they will

defeat one thousand from among those who fabricate; that is for what they intentionally

are able to perceive.

873 As for those who fabricate, they are allies to one another. If you do not do this, then

there will be oppression on the earth and great corruption.

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92 ?Therefore, roam the land for four months and know that you will not escape God, and that God

will humiliate the fabricators.?
93 And a proclamation from God and His messenger to the people that the "Charitable Work" of

the day with a foundation to God is greater than that of sectarians and do like His messenger.? If

you follow, then it is better for you, and if you turn away, then know that you will not

escape God. And inform those who have fabricated of a painful retribution.

912 And if they break their oaths after making their pledge, and they challenge the authority of

your system; then you may exhort the leaders of fabrication. Their oaths are nothing

to them, perhaps they will then cease.

917 It was not for the sectarians to keep the service of God while they bear witness

over their own fabrication. For these, their works have fallen, and in the Fire they will

abide.

923 O you of affinity, do not take your fathers nor brothers as allies if they prefer

fabrication to affinity. And whoever of you takes them as such, then these are the

wicked.

926 Then God placed His tranquility upon His messenger and those of affinity, and He

placed it not on faithless and punished those who fabricated. Such is the recompense of

the fabricators

930 The Jews said ?Ezra is the son of God,? and the Nazarenes said ?The Messiah is the son of

God.? Such is their utterances with their mouths, they imitate the sayings of those who

fabricated before them. God will scold them. They are deluded from the truth!
931 They have taken their Priests and Monks to be patrons besides God, and the Messiah, son of

Mary and he did not command that they should worship him and be thereby good like

"God", be He glorified against what they conjecture.
932 They want to extinguish the light of God with their mouths, but God refuses such and lets His

light continue, even if the fabricators hate it.

937 Know that the use of the additional month causes an increase in fabrication, for it is

used by those who have fabricated that they may misguide with it by making it lawful one

year, and forbidden one year, so as to circumvent the count of what God has made restricted; thus

they make lawful what God has made forbidden. Their evil works have been adorned for them, and God

does not guide the intentional fabricators.

954 And what prevented what they would spend from being accepted from them except that they

fabricated about God and His messenger, and they consider their behaviorreluctantly,

and they do not contribute except unwillingly.
955 So do not be impressed by their wealth or children; God only wishes to punish them with it in

the worldly life, and so that their souls will be taken while they are fabricators.

966 Do not apologize, for you have fabricated after your affinity. If We pardon one

group from you, We will punish another group. That is because they were criminals.

968 God has promised the hypocrite males and the hypocrite females and the fabricators a

Fire in Hell, in it they will abide; it will be enough for them. And God has cursed them and they

will have a lasting retribution.

973 O prophet, counter the fabricators and the hypocrites and be firm against them.

Their dwelling is Hell, what a miserable destiny!
974 They will swear by God that they did not say it, while they had said words of

fabrication, and they fabricated regarding their faith, and they were obsessed with what

they could not possess; and they could not find any fault except that God and His messenger had

enriched them from His bounty. If they repent it is better for them, and if they turn away, then

God will punish them severely in this world and the next. They will not have on the earth any ally

or supporter.

980 Whether you seek forgiveness for them, or do not seek forgiveness for them. If you seek

forgiveness for them seventy times, God will not forgive them. That is because they have

fabricated about God and His messenger; and God does not guide the wicked people.

984 And do not show affection for any of them who have died, nor stand at their grave. They

have fabricated about God and His messenger and died while they were wicked.
985 And do not be impressed by their wealth and their children; God only wishes to punish them

with it in this world, and so their souls will be taken while they are fabricators.

990 And those who had an excuse from among the clerics came so leave would be given to

them, and those who impersonate God and His messenger simply stayed behind. Those who

fabricated from them will be inflicted with a painful retribution.

Note I attempt a new kind of translation for which I realized may fit the letters' innate

meaning of the word. Also note that the classical translation of 990 is utterly wrong, but I will

not use my time correcting it now.

997 The clerics are the worst in fabrication and hypocrisy, and more likely not to

know the boundaries of what God has sent down upon His messenger. God is Knower, Wise.

Note Hmm... how about 'cleric' for the "nomads" (&#1615?

999 And from the clerics are those who accept God and the Last Day, and he looks

upon what he contributes to make him closer to God, and the affections of the

messenger. It indeed makes them closer. God will admit them in His mercy; God is Forgiving,

Merciful.
9100 And those were members already and perceptive and from among the good of them and

supporters, and those who had followed them in goodness; God has accepted them, and they

have accepted Him; and He has prepared for them estates with rivers flowing beneath them, abiding

therein eternally. Such is the great triumph.

9107 And there are those who have a goal to do harm and cause fabrication, and to

divide between those of affinity, and as an outpost for those who fought God and His

messenger before. They will swear that they only wanted to do good, and God bears witness that they

are liars.

9120 It is not advisable for the dwellers of the city and those around them of the clerics

that they should lag behind after the messenger of God, nor should they yearn for themselves above

him. That is because any thirst that will come to them, or fatigue, or hunger in the path of

God, or any step that they take which will annoy the fabricators, or any gain they have over

any enemy; it will be recorded as a good deed for them. God does not waste the reward of the good

doers.

Note that the translation is poor above since it speaks of clerics following the messenger of "God"

concerning matters of faith and not about some illusive warfare.

9123 O you of affinity, exhort those who are around you of the fabricators, and let

them see the truth in you; and know that God is with the righteous.
9124 And when a chapter is sent down, some of them say ?Who is purified by something like

this?? For those who accept, it purifies them, and they rejoice.
9125 As for those who have a disease in their hearts, it only increased tainting to their taint,

and they died as fabricators.

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102 Is it a surprise for the people who We inspired a man from among them ?Warn the people and

give good news to those who accept, that they will have a footing of truth with their Lord.?

The fabricators said ?This is clearly magic!?

104 To Him is your return, all of you, for the promise of God is true. He initiates the creation

then He returns it; to recompense with justice those who have affinity and have done good

works. As for those who have rejected, they will have a boiling drink, and a painful retribution

for what they had fabricated.

1070 A short pleasure in this world, then to Us is their return and We will make them taste the

severe retribution for what they were fabricating.

1086 ?And save us by Your mercy from those who intentionally fabricate.?

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117 He is the One who has created the heavens and the earth in six days, and His might was

upon the water; so as to test who from among you works the best. And when you say ?You will be

resurrected after the death,? those who have fabricated say ?This is but clear magic!?

1117 For those who are on a clarity from their Lord, and are followed by a testimony from Him; and

before it was the Decree of Moses, a beacon and a mercy; they will accept it. And

whoever fabricates to it from among the "Confederates", then the Fire is his meeting place.

So do not be in any doubt about it. It is the truth from your Lord and the spiritual of people

accept.
1118 And who is more wicked than he who attributes lies to God? They will be displayed

before their Lord, and the witnesses will say ?These are the ones who have lied about their Lord.?

Alas, the curse of God will be upon the wicked.
1119 Those who repel others from the path of God and they seek to twist it; and regarding the

Hereafter they fabricate.

1127 The leaders of the intentional fabrication said ?We do not see you except as a human

being like us, and we see that only the lowest among our people who have no opinion have followed

you. And we do not see a thing that makes you better than us; in fact, we think you are liars.?

1142 And while it was running with them in waves like mountains, Noah called to his son, who was

in an isolated place ?My son, ride with us, and do not be with the fabricators!?

1160 And they were followed by a curse in this world and on the Day of Resurrection, for ?Aad

fabricated about their Lord. So away with ?Aad, the people of Hud.

1168 It is as if they had never lived there. For Thamud fabricated about their Lord. So

away with Thamud.

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1237 He said ?No provision of food will come to you, except that I would have informed you both

about its interpretation before it comes to you. That is from what my Lord has taught me. I have

just left the creed of a people who do not have affinity with God, and they are

fabricating about the Hereafter.?

1287 ?My sons, go and inquire about Joseph and his brother, and do not despair from the spirit of

God. The only ones who would despair from the spirit of God are intentional fabricators.?

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135 And if you are surprised, then what is more surprising is their saying ?Can it be that when

we are dust, we will be created anew!? These are the ones who have fabricated about their

Lord, and they will have shackles around their necks, and they are the dwellers of the Fire, in it

they will abide.

137 And those who fabricate say ?If only a sign was sent down to him from his Lord.? You

are but a warner, and to everyone is an intended guide.

1314 To Him is the call of truth. And those who are called on besides Him, they will not respond

to them in anything; like one who places his hands openly in the water to drink, except it never

reaches his mouth. The call of the fabricators is nothing but in misguidance.

1327 And those who have fabricated say ?If only a sign were sent down to him from his

Lord!? Say ?God misguides whom He wishes and guides to Him whoever is repenting.?

1330 Thus, We have sent you to a nation, as with other nations before it, so that you may

convey to them that which has been inspired to you; while they are still fabricate about

the Almighty. Say ?He who is like "God" is Rabbi, like Him I make my living and like Him is my

character.?
1331 And if a revelation were to be used to move mountains, or to slice the earth, or the dead

were spoken to with it! Indeed, to God are all matters. Did not those who have affinity know

that if God had wished He would have guided all the people? As for those who fabricate, they

continue to be stricken with disaster or it comes near to their homes, until the promise of God

comes true. God does not break the appointment.
1332 And messengers before you were mocked, but I gave time to those who had fabricated,

then I took them; so how was My punishment?
1333 It is He who is standing upon every soul for what it has earned; yet they set up partners

with God. Say ?Name them?? Or are you informing Him of what He does not know on the earth or is it

just a show of words? Indeed, to the fabricators, their scheming is made to appear pleasing,

and they are repelled from the path. And whoever God misguides will have no guide.

1335 The example of the Paradise which the righteous are promised, is that rivers flow beneath it,

and its provisions are continuous as is its shade. Such is the abode of those who were righteous,

while the abode of the fabricators is the Fire.

1342 And those before them had schemed, but to God is all scheming. He knows what every soul earns

and the fabricators will come to know to whom is the better abode.
1343 And those who fabricate say ?You are not a messenger.? Say ?God is enough as a

witness between me and you; the One who has the knowledge of the Decree.?

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142 God, to whom belong all that is in the heavens and the earth. And woe to the fabricators

from a severe retribution.

147 And your Lord proclaimed ?If you give thanks, I will increase for you, but if you are

fabricating, then My retribution is severe.?

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GAH, I am tired of making my point heard here. I cut it here, but may someone realize the truth of

the worst delusion ever created. However, I tell you that, the fabrications are one of the most

pressing issues of Qur'an and what it propagates the most against. And I have already proved to you

that the ritualistic 'salateh' is one of those fabrications.

Have faith

[Man_of_Faith]

Salaam,

Some time has passed since I last wrote on this thread and there has been updates to my understanding and perception. I thought it is only good to highlight it.

Salawteh - I wrote earlier that this word is connected to 'behavior' and this is not the best definition out there. A better definition of the word is 'perception' and the earlier interpretation behavior is related to it but is not the intricate meaning of 'salawteh'.

The user 'truthseeker' on this forum made a highlight that salah does have a better connotation to behavior while is rather related to perception like I said. Ironically, structurally the two roots have great similarity and for a reason. While means to know behavior (good) then refers to (life) perception in general.

Salawteh is related to divine service at a House of GOD (church, mosque, synagogue etc) in the way that this is historically where perception on faith (the way of life/philosophy) is taught/preached. And these seminars (or what the sects call them) is what would lead to salawteh, which is the object or result form of salla as an activity which event would be called musalla in Arabic.

What I said previously about behavior was a good progress because this is obviously the essence of our faith, but I missed the word's more general tone.

Interestingly, several months earlier (early 2014 I think) before I proposed this 'behavior' argument (October 2014 as proven by truthseeker) I had suggested, without being sure, that the word word indicate lesson and that was oddly enough very accurate without further insight. And a musalla is very much a lesson too.

It was in the summer of 2014 when I concluded for myself that Arabic letters have their own individual innate meanings and I made some inaccurate predictions at first regarding the letters such as that would fundamentally indicate light which is not at all true. Light is too advanced for the primitive nature of the letters as one single letter to be honest.

Light is or I proved a few weeks ago. Not a surprise maybe, but I made such realization. This was when I begun to gain suspicion concerning a talking fire in the narrative of Moses, but now I draw the conclusion that Moses did not see a fire but he saw a light such as one you could probably imagine yourself in conjunction with seeing GOD "face to face". It is not like you would see a person or physical object but rather a strong force of some kind.

So a few months after the light mistake I calibrated it and became 'perceive' which I am beyond doubt sure about. Then it was that I presented the behavior claim in October 2014. Eagerness has dragged the whole project into quick presentations and thus some criticism and I wished to prove to people how deceived they have been and to proclaim how things really are. Had I acted now in March 2015 I would have had more meat on my legs (Swedish saying), but I sensed also that it was good that I exposed the project to open criticism and I used the forum to ventilate myself, and nothing I have said would have misled any person because in essense I was right all the time. Now we now that salateh can be related for sure to House of GOD however.

To be continued - if GOD permits

[Man_of_Faith]

Al-Salam aeleikum,

Okay, let us return to the topic of the last post.

Salawteh , this is by the way the scriptural style which I find is correct whereas there are two ways scribes have written it in Quran versions; "" and "" and I find the latter to be the correct form. Some may argue that it does not make any difference, although it does and particularly in pronunciation as the author intended but also in interpretation as the suffix added to the root implies through the latter linguistic style that salawteh is a resulting object of another form of the root called salla which is guide/preach, or very literally 'give perception' ("perceptionalize&quot for those who are very picky.

Now you may be wondering why I mentioned 'guide' since this is traditionally associated with another word which is huda , but I tell you that this means something similar to grace/gift. However, the traditional view of it as guide is not correct and if you have huda it means you are graced. You may look in Lane's Lexicon to find this definition (gift) stated there if you think I am just following my own desires in interpretation which I have not been since the start of this project. It is an error by traditional interpreters which has led to this misconception and instead when Quran in chapter one verse six says a'had'na alsirat almustaqeem the prayer says gift/bless/grace us with alsirat almustaqeem which following phrase basically means knowing/perceiving the right (lit. mindful/attentive of (what is) justice).

This is something I have spent many parts of the nights pondering about, cross-checked and researched.

My conclusion was reached both through the commonly accepted definition as according to Lane's Lexicon and progress on my so-called 'Innate Letter Meaning' method. As of currently huda means literally (letter per letter) "Attach Condition Substance " which can be said agrees with the definition of gift in Lane's Lexicon. Other famous religious examples of English vocabulary is bless or grace and gift sounds less dogmatic.

I can understand why huda has been false attributed with guidance however since if a person is gifted with huda then obviously they are somehow guided, but it is linguistically wrong to distinctly treat it as guidance.

So in the context of Quran, when the Yahood and Nasara say that if you are one of them you will be guided as according to traditional interpretations they actually say join us to be blessed. This is a common argument by the sects too.

The above may feel no different but it is. Guidance or gift makes a huge difference in interpretation. Try it yourselves. Particularly it invites for misrepresenting the discourse.

And if we return to salawteh here is where this word comes in. The whole word salawteh refers to guidance (perception to follow). The root (&#1608 as according to Lane's Lexicon has input such as follow closely and if you refine that it means make a person follow because they either follow your word or they follow your body movement (your actions) as in Lane's Lexicon about the horse race. Interconnect this with the famous event called musalla and you see you have a spiritual lesson.

When Moses was told that GOD is with him as long as he aqum alsalawteh then it implied for as long as he followed the way of GOD very precisely since GOD taught as he was a nabi/prophet although the phrase ought to say that as long as he was attentive to the guidance, his spiritual lesson and life perception he acquired.

Qum is also another misinterpreted word and it means to be attentive or mindful of something. The reason for the current traditional interpretation is likely because it may mean "to stand firm". It does not in Quran refer to some posture which is a misconception.

Qum is often interpreted as people, but how many words do you think a such precise language as Arabic has for people? When Moses addressed Ya Al-Qum he intends to say like "Oh you who care". Moses was pretty tired of people which is understandable given his prophetic mission and people never seemed to hearken unto his words.

Also with naas, the Quran does not address people in general but people with spirit. The opposite is jinn which is a faithless/worldly person. It is generally pointless to preach to a person who is not receptive.

This naas vs jinn mentioned in Quran has given way for grave misconception and jinn is even made a supernatural distinct being while you can say it would relate to what is called "Gentile", traditionally a Roman Pagan but what was meant with it was to say faithless and outside the grace of GOD. Satan is a jinn because it is true that he is not graced by GOD.

The reason why jannat (traditionally garden) is sharing same root with jinn is because jannat refers to land and jinn literally refers to a fleshly/earthly person rather than spiritual in their choice of perception. "Low Integrity" is the literal meaning letter by letter for Jinn. You probably understand why we should avoid worldliness and materialism because it tempts us away from our spiritual pursuit.

To be continued, if GOD permits

[Man_of_Faith]

Salaam,

Earlier in this thread, actually in the very beginning, I wrote about the criteria of the faith and I think I wrote that belief and do good were the only important parameters. Now in early 2015 I would say that I replace the belief parameter with realization, to be realized in Allah as this is literally what the semitic word amen means, i.e. 'be realized' and its letter by letter meaning is "Be Thereof Integrity" which gives a condition of being that is affirmed/assured.

GOD does not expect people who believe but they have to be realized and they show it through their way of life and perception (salawteh). It has a stronger implication.

So now in March 2015 I say that you ought to be realized in Allah (Which Be That It Is) and do good instead of what was written early in this thread. Obviously the two parameters cling together symmetrically since when you are in the realization of the phenomenon Allah then you will do/be good (even perfected).

Salaam

[Armanaziz]

Salam MoF,

I welcome your latest "replacement" in understanding as a movement in the right direction.

May Allah guide us all to the straight route.

Regards,
Arman

[amin]

MOF,

Agreed to your recent understanding on the word Salat=perception to follow(resulting in guidance),

getting aware of God is a continuous exercise and a lively one.

[Man_of_Faith]

Wa aeleikum al-Salam arman and amin,

Thanks. It is only a marginal "replacement" however, although it is the first time I have been able to present it this elaborately. It is easy to get too far ahead of yourself in the pursuit to nullify the Pagan influence on islam, to save people from delusion and help them focus on the essence of faith, and understand individual Arabic words as intended by the author rather than pretenders so that they are not doing things in vain.

But obviously like I said, the word salawteh refers to the path to follow than on prayer, i.e the whole word salawteh is guidance, or as the lexicon said, it is the horse to follow closely (GOD).

Historically, the reason why it automatically has been associated with prayer is probably because you did it in a temple and praying was an element of a traditional musalla and thus the raise of the misconception. But by itself, like I have said numerous times, it has no such connotation as to pray or connection other than as a resulting effect and then by another word. Du'a is praying and it can be done during a musalla or divine service as it is called in Christianity, but one has to draw a separation between words.

I see no error in how Christians perform their musalla except the misconception about the nature of Jesus. The prostration among semitic cultures is likely part of an ancient custom and I have earlier shown that prostration was a show of respect for someone you honored and that not only GOD but it was like we today shake hands and say courteous words.

Salaam

[Jafar]

Thanks. It is only a marginal "replacement" however, although it is the first time I have been able to present it this elaborately. It is easy to get too far ahead of yourself in the pursuit to nullify the Pagan influence on islam, to save people from delusion and help them focus on the essence of faith, and understand individual Arabic words as intended by the author rather than pretenders so that they are not doing things in vain.

Rather than "nullify" I would say "accept" the Pagan influence on Islam as a fact. Because it is a fact..

And as part of the "Acceptance of the Pagan influence" is also the acceptance that our/your/their religion is NOT the best religion in the world, is not the most superior religion in the world, is not the perfect religion (thus also has it's own flaw and falsehood) and it's not the most enlightening religion in the world.

This shall open the door to 'the path' which I'll explain below...

But obviously like I said, the word salawteh refers to the path to follow than on prayer, i.e the whole word salawteh is guidance, or as the lexicon said, it is the horse to follow closely (GOD).

The path is very simple
Avoid PRIDE and HATRED
Adopt HUMILITY and LOVE/COMPASSION

Pride and hatred shall lead to sorrow and destruction..
Humility and love/compassion shall lead to happiness and peace..

The evidence for that is all around you.. and the Quran shows that in the character of Iblees (PRIDE, HATRED).
That's why whether the devil/ibless truly exist or merely a metaphor doesn't really matter..

The recommendation to adopt the attitude of HUMILITY and LOVE/COMPASSION is also shown by many other teachings around the world. From Gospel, Torah (e.g. The egyptian pharaoh is the symbol of PRIDE and HATRED), Siddharta, Chinese Tao The Chin up to hundreds of today's self help books..

He does not show off, therefore he shines.
He does not justify himself, therefore he is revered.
He does not boast, therefore he is honored.
He does not praise himself, therefore he remains.
-- Tao The Ching

Blessed are the meek or they will inherit the earth.
Blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the sons of God.
-- Jesus (Matt 5)

The servant of the Most Gracious are those who walk upon the earth in humbleness and when the ignorant one address them, they say, "Peace."
-- Quran (2563)

And during the daily "reminder" / "reflection" / "meditation" rites one should reflect how far is he/she from the above path..
The "reminder" / "reflection" / "meditation" rites is just a mean towards an objective
Thus the 'technicality' of the rites doesn't really matter.. as long as one still remember the objective...

[Man_of_Faith]

Salaam Jafar,

I do not see that we should accept misconception but it must be nullified for those interested in not being misled by false interpretations of a text which says otherwise. It is one thing if the text really said what it says because then we have to accept it, but also then I would not waste any more energy on it but leave that book behind for it is unrighteous and go back full to Christianity and Jesus as my last valid prophet with sensible spiritual teachings.

My work has given me hope about Quran and I know that rituals such as Hajj, salawteh etc are just false inferences never part of what Quran speaks about. That was what I meant by nullify, nullify the practices which have no room in Quran's interpretation. If someone wishes to not accept that, they can continue to pray Pagan style and have that faith, I will not stop them. I did not say it was anything dogmatic or zealous about nullify.

It was no talk about whose religion is the best religion because there is no religion to have that discussion.

But I suppose you do not think Quran is written by the phenomenon called prophet either, so you do not think it contains an authentic source of knowledge? In that case I understand why we have this discussion.

But like I said, if Quran said what it says, then we would have to accept it the way it is, but I do not accept lies about something in interpretation and Quran is not presenting it as intended by the author and then we have to nullify the inferred practices, but let the crowd decide themselves whether they follow or not. People who are honest should not have to be deluded into thinking there are Pagan elements in their faith.

You are right that the practices do not matter, but one should not have to be deluded into thinking they have a place there and be afraid GOD would be angry if they do not perform them. You speak like I do not know the focus of faith. My work is to help people get the focus on the essentials.

Salaam

[Jafar]

Salaam Jafar,

I do not see that we should accept misconception but it must be nullified for those interested in not being misled by false interpretations of a text which says otherwise. It is one thing if the text really said what it says because then we have to accept it, but also then I would not waste any more energy on it but leave that book behind for it is unrighteous and go back full to Christianity and Jesus as my last valid prophet with sensible spiritual teachings.
My work has given me hope about Quran and I know that rituals such as Hajj, salawteh etc are just false inferences never part of what Quran speaks about. That was what I meant by nullify, nullify the practices which have no room in Quran's interpretation. If someone wishes to not accept that, they can continue to pray Pagan style and have that faith, I will not stop them. I did not say it was anything dogmatic or zealous about nullify.

Salam MoF..

That's why I said the 'problem' is actually on the mindset that there is such thing as

• Last revelation
• True religion
• Last prophet
• Truest holy book

Once you accept that there isn't such thing, you'll be accepting any falsehood as falsehood (not truth) without even try to 'nullify' it.

What's wrong with Arabs encircling a black stone, Christians kissing the cross, Japanese gathering at mount Fuji and Indian bathing at Gangges river?

What's wrong is if somebody trying to enforce everyone (through force, war, massacre, torture) on this earth to (only) pray facing certain direction, kiss a black stone or a cross.. And such deed were primarily driven by PRIDE.

Having said that, feel free to embrace the religion of Christianity..
I advise you to do that.. but don't stop at that.. embrace / convert yourselves also to the multiple religion within the Christianity 'genre' (eastern orthodox, catholic, protestant, presbytarian etc..) and also other religion (Judaism, Sunni, Shiites, Buddhism, Shiikism etc..).
The more the better..

Then you'll learn to accept that truth and falsehood are everywhere...
And you'll avoid the attitude of PRIDE that "My Religion is the Best Religion", "My Holy Book is the Best Holy Book" etc.....
And you'll adopt the attitude of humility that "There is so many things that I'm not aware of"...
One way to train your skill of detecting falsehood is to expose yourselves to as much falsehood as possible... vice versa on your skill for detecting truth..

But I suppose you do not think Quran is written by the phenomenon called prophet either, so you do not think it contains an authentic source of knowledge? In that case I understand why we have this discussion.

Does it matter?
Does it matter who wrote or inspire Tao The Ching? (For example)
Does it matter who wrote or inspire "Be Happy Within 100 Days"?
Does it matter who wrote or inspire "Happiness Starts Within"?
Does it matter who wrote or inspire "Elementary derivation of the equivalence of mass and energy"?

The "prophet" and "X is True because Y said X is True because Y is God/Angel/Prophet" mindset or phenomenon only appears and recognizable in small subset of human on earth..

People who are honest should not have to be deluded into thinking there are Pagan elements in their faith.

What's wrong with Pagan?
What is Pagan?

You are right that the practices do not matter, but one should not have to be deluded into thinking they have a place there and be afraid GOD would be angry if they do not perform them. You speak like I do not know the focus of faith. My work is to help people get the focus on the essentials.

Then why not focus only on the essentials?? (As others are merely 'distraction&#039

Why bother with old wine in an old wineskin when you can put a new wine in a new wineskin?

[Man_of_Faith]

Salaam,

No, exactly. There is no last revelation and Quran does not state it is a final revelation nowhere, just man's own inference based on interpretation that the prophet mentioned in Quran should be the seal. People are also not generally aware of what a prophet is and it is not a person who necessarily has to write a text. Jesus did not write down a word but was devoted to his job as prophet. And there were many other prophets who did not write down anything either but they stood for their faith, taught it to those around them and they generally accepted the famous rules of thumb, the 'Ten Commandments' or a substitute in their region where they were. And I doubt Quran mentions every single one of them because it is not relevant, but it mentions key figures.

Okay Jafar. Perhaps I should have chosen a better definition than 'nullify', but yet people who look for an authentic alternative should be allowed to it and not through a false interpretation of a scripture which speaks of something else. People who wish to adhere to a lie should be allowed to do so as long as they do not harm other people in any way.

There are many ways, but there is only one aim and that is towards soundness. Rituals like prostration are irrelevant, if a person finds that it helps them concentrate on their path then it is up to them. It is the dogma which has been lied upon that I am after and not to say "no you are not allowed to prostate or whatever you like to do in terms of rituals". But if a text says something then I deem that it should be presented as it was written and not with bias leading to what it does not say. The point in my statement "to nullify" was meant to remove or at least show people the wrong interpretation and offer a reinterpreted alternative. It do not really have to change anything for the Arabic is there black on white.

The same Jesus did with the writings of Isaiah where he could explain things which people were astonished about. Writings/prophecies are often written in parables for some purpose. It does not say I am one because that it up to each individual to say (whether I am enlightened as the word nabi literally means).

It is not wrong that they hug a stone or circle around it, or pray toward it or any other practice, but I can say like Jesus and say "do not do like the Pagans with their many words or like to stand to be seen (their piety) in the synagogues". Yet Jesus did not seek to stop Pagan-minded from doing what they were doing but he just gave an alternative as he saw fit. The same I am doing, I am interpreting Quran and other related information and offering an alternative and working on coughing up a reason why they should do so. Then who chooses to do it I am not responsible for nor will I ever persecute them.

There is Pagan influence on the sects but they can continue for as long as they like as long as it does not harm anyone.

Okay again. Nullify was a poor choice. You can change what I said with what I said now. I respect if one likes to interpret salat as a ritual to mumble some words and do it less GOD is going to unravel some havoc upon them or doom them to eternal Hell, but I say they have missed the essence of why they live.

And no, I will not embrace any religion at all but soundness of soul. That is what the prophets taught and not some sectarian doctrine. I understand you meant that as sarcasm towards me about Christianity instead of Islam, but obviously as I said it was under the condition I did not know better. Jesus did not teach any religion but he taught to have a sound soul rather than a broken one. He said that he was there as a physician to help the broken and who would be humble enough to embrace his word.

Avoid pride, you are much to speak of pride, but pride does stem from desire and if you do not have desire then you do not have pride. To know something and say it is not pride. People desire too much and the desire to please the illusive separate image of GOD is also leading to pride.

There is no true religion because there is no religion at all but only an aim at not being broken. Desire, pride and all the negative traits you mentioned lead towards a broken soul so those who pursue to please GOD may do a disservice instead because they missed the point and were not realized. Jesus taught well about that when he said they (the Pharisees) forsook their parents for their desire to please GOD.

Salaam

[Man_of_Faith]

Salaam,

And if an enlightened person (nabi/prophet) has the immersion in the realm then obviously they can compile a work like Quran since they have the insight, and knowledge and wisdom.

Anyone with some spiritual ascension/growth could make a substitute for Quran with varying quality depending on their immersion and growth. However, the one who wrote Quran most likely had the highest level of wisdom available when this person chose to write it, probably by incitement of The Rabb (The Foundation/Platform itself).

Exactly how the phenomenon of the Platform (Rabb) works (its nature) I have no particular clue about. It seems like be an independent source of intelligence and a consciousness. The Rabb appears to be a personality though although perfect since with no desires or needs. It simply is, exists and is existence itself, the underlying foundation. It is the best boss you can have due to no bias. Considered how it all works dynamically, if you have The Rabb as boss you are boss over yourself since you are part of that existence (Allah). It is wonderful to have that knowledge, but also difficult to explain it except through parables.

I use to refer to 'the Borg' in Star Trek, for those with knowledge about that, and the platform which all the nodes (interconnected cyborgs) are connected to within the community of the Borgs could be said to be 'The Rabb'. I find that a good modern parable over how the realm works. Such parables were not available when the world's advancements were more primitive.

But to join the real "Borg" one has to be voluntarily immersed in the system and function in unity with it or be disconnected. The system is called 'ALLAH' in Quran and has worked the same way since the break of Dawn Assimilation and immersion into symbiosis (assimilation is also a favored expression of the Borgs in the series

Just remove the apparent evil nature of forced assimilation in Star Trek and you have the realm (of GOD), its dynamics. Instead of saying "resistance is futile"it would be "non-immersion brings more sorrow".

I think you are combating the wrong person to be honest, Jafar. My eyes are open. You have no need to use those rhetorical words on me. I am not among those people who do not acknowledge the authenticity of other sources other than a particular one, such as Quran. While I am prone to give most focus on Quran right now, due to it bringing most sorrow in the world, I am also studying Christianity and Buddhism. And I have acknowledged the positive aspects of Buddhism on this forum and commented that concerning the view of the actual GOD phenomenon Buddhists are way more accurate on a factual level.

I think your rhetoric is aimed at the wrong person. Consider that first.

Pagan is just Pagan, by word definition, and I could use another if there were a better. The word Pagan by dictionary definition means a person who has a materialistic view of the spiritual realm. As per usage of Jesus and me it refers to visualization/objectification of the GOD phenomenon. For example, my god (object) is better than yours. It also leads to pride because it is material/concrete desire. Like Jesus said "Return to Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar and return to GOD what belongs to GOD" (both concrete matters). There is also a reason why Jesus avoided the word GOD in his teachings in favor of Father, and despite this he needed vocabulary to refer to the traditional (separate) GOD illusion.

So this is what "I" mean by Pagan disregarding what connotation it has with other people. So please stop your sarcasm.

And if one likes to be Pagan-minded then it is up to them, but it is to no avail I would say and there may be a trap in the process too and you may miss out what is important in life such as the Pharisees who dishonored their parents for the sake of their GOD despite that your father and mother were to be honored in the original eternal decree.

Obviously Jesus mostly used this as rhetoric to show the hypocrisy of them, but the lesson is still applicable to anyone. You see how he orientated away from religious doctrines in favor of obvious reasons why you adhere to the spiritual guidelines of Moses.

And you sound awfully arrogant (pride) in your last commentary of your last post about "Why not focus on the essentials?" What do you think I am doing? But if I help a brother then it is making a huge difference.

When we regard our own wisdom we also have to regard that others may also possess wisdom and we ought to analyze carefully one's aim before we criticize. They may have the same idea, but perhaps another perspective, and it may happen that their is actually better than my own.

You relate to Jesus without considering I am of the same mind.

Salaam

[Man_of_Faith]

In the reference of Ceasar and tribute I made a linguistic error. It is supposed to be give and not return. It means if someone forced you to do something for the GOD (object) then do it for GOD (object). Just as tribute to Ceasar was forced upon people.

It was meant as a return of subtle sarcasm to those who asked him and tried to persecute him, but I suppose they did not see the parable.

Jesus did not care about senseless religious rituals, but he did also adhere to their game, except when he challenged particular clearly invented ones. He several times attacked the Sabbath hypocrisy

But Jesus was very careful upholding the authentic Torawteh of Moses due to him being a 'Child of Israel', but often also as a play to expose the hypocrites who claimed to be followers of Moses. He was well aware of the fact that there are no sects but only a perception and what Moses taught were guidelines.

Salaam

[Man_of_Faith]

Salaam,

Peace and Prosperity, as I titled the thread, could be referred to as 'Soundness'. When I gave it the title I had no idea of how to translate the Arabic word Salam, even if I understood what it meant basically.

Peace and Prosperity is not wrong however, only that they could be merged into one word, and one holding good precision.

To actually be a Muslim in reality is hard for many people, particularly due to a lot of misconception. One who would adhere to a lot of rituals but yell and fight with his neighbor has missed the point in salam.

Salaam

[Jafar]

But to join the real "Borg" one has to be voluntarily immersed in the system and function in unity with it or be disconnected. The system is called 'ALLAH' in Quran and has worked the same way since the break of Dawn Assimilation and immersion into symbiosis (assimilation is also a favored expression of the Borgs in the series

Just remove the apparent evil nature of forced assimilation in Star Trek and you have the realm (of GOD), its dynamics. Instead of saying "resistance is futile"it would be "non-immersion brings more sorrow".

Interesting..
But yes resisting to the law of nature (a.k.a the law of God) is futile..

I think you are combating the wrong person to be honest, Jafar. My eyes are open. You have no need to use those rhetorical words on me. I am not among those people who do not acknowledge the authenticity of other sources other than a particular one, such as Quran. While I am prone to give most focus on Quran right now, due to it bringing most sorrow in the world, I am also studying Christianity and Buddhism. And I have acknowledged the positive aspects of Buddhism on this forum and commented that concerning the view of the actual GOD phenomenon Buddhists are way more accurate on a factual level.

I'm not 'combating' anyone.. including yourselves.. perhaps you got that from the tone of my expression?
That's just a personal style.. direct.. but I'm not combating anyone..

But I disagree that "Quran bringing the most sorrow in the world"..

Perhaps (a subset of) Muslim does, where Muslim here means exclusive member of a religion named Islam..
And again it was driven by PRIDE and HATRED.. (towards the west, towards the kuffar, towards anyone who disagree with them, who are different than they are.. etc..)
Thus the 'pattern' are pretty much the same..
Yet as the law has stated and proven many times, PRIDE and HATRED will lead to destruction and suffering..
So it's again just "yet another evidence" of such law..
And it's easy to predict what will be their future... it will be destruction and extinction..

Pagan is just Pagan, by word definition, and I could use another if there were a better. The word Pagan by dictionary definition means a person who has a materialistic view of the spiritual realm. As per usage of Jesus and me it refers to visualization/objectification of the GOD phenomenon. For example, my god (object) is better than yours. It also leads to pride because it is material/concrete desire. Like Jesus said "Return to Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar and return to GOD what belongs to GOD" (both concrete matters). There is also a reason why Jesus avoided the word GOD in his teachings in favor of Father, and despite this he needed vocabulary to refer to the traditional (separate) GOD illusion.

So this is what "I" mean by Pagan disregarding what connotation it has with other people. So please stop your sarcasm.

Pagan was made famous by christian to refer to those who are not christian..
Similar to "Kuffar" in the religion of Islam.. (Those who are not a member of Islam)
Because of such connotation thus it's better to avoid using such word.

And you sound awfully arrogant (pride) in your last commentary of your last post about "Why not focus on the essentials?" What do you think I am doing? But if I help a brother then it is making a huge difference.

Pride? Not at all..

Back to Jesus example, he didn't bothered to say these and these in the Torah is not true.. or your understanding of this and that in the Torah is not correct..
Or neither he tried to write "yet another holy book" for that matter and declare it as "New Testament"..

He did quote from the Torah in which he agree with.. and that's it..
And explain / preach about things which he sees as true.. and put forward a good example with his deed.
He even uses a "new name" for God.. (abba / avi / father )

New Wine put inside a new wineskin... and he didn't bothered to do anything with the old wine in the old wineskin..

[Man_of_Faith]

Salaam Jafar,

He did not do so for there was not a whole scripture which was completely chaotic in interpretation. The Tawrateh is just the 'Commandments' plus a few supplementary rules. Yet Jesus did comment on invented traditions which the sectarian clergy had come up with, so you cannot say that Jesus did not comment on their religious practices. And he referred negatively to the concept with GOD while favoring Father.

He even said that their religious practices even contradicted the very decree they claimed to follow. I can also that, for example, regarding that house in a place called Mecca, if they claim they follow Torawteh.

And Jesus referred to Paganism although in the tongue of Jesus it would have been another word. In Arabic it is Jinn. It is not meant as a curse word but a definition for a particular perception of life. It is a choice, or blindness, and no one should be discriminated because of it. The term Pagan used in the Gospels is probably be meant to refer to worldliness and a worldly person. And if you read a dictionary definition for the word you will find the connotation. It does not have to do with polytheism or serving another god but the concept of materializing gods and their world.

Quran is bringing sorrow in the world. Just look at the third world. And then refer back to the mainstream interpretation of Quran. They are both equally tragic.

And you just echo my words with that he did not write any "Holy Book". A prophet does not have to do that, and the majority of prophets did not. It is not what it means to be a prophet.

However they may help with interpretation of current texts, highlight inconsistency in followed traditions, but most importantly they offer a good alternative.

I am clearing out everything that is distorted in Quran. Do I not have the right to do so?

If I can show I master the winemaking then I can give everyone a new wineskin to pour the new wine in, because they will accept my wine. But if my wine is of poor quality then they will not accept and drink it, even if the old wine they drink is only mediocre and bitter.

(to make a new parable for you if you can understand it)

I could care less about a religion called Islam or Quran actually too for that sake, it is only that to reach the consciousness of many people I have to draw their attention first by astonishing them with ability to actually make sense of the senseless text Quran.

And our friend Jesus was very fixated with the prophecies of Isaiah. You say he did not refer to some scripture but he actually did. He followed the prophecy of Isaiah to the letter. And everyone was amazed at his ability to interpret the holy scriptures when teaching in the synagogues, so you cannot say he did not use the tradition at hand even if he explained the dynamics of the realm/kingdom and used his own words such as Father. Anyway, he avoided religious vocabulary and instead spoke mainly in parables to people.

And I doubt the Biblical Gospels cover everything that he ever said in his life. It would be strange in that case. It often says he went and taught, but frequently no reference what he said.

He did refer to old statutes, commented on falsehood and religious practices, so you cannot say he did not interfere on the sectarian bias. He was executed because of his claims and it was the explanation on how the GOD phenomenon works which was it for the clergy. They called it blasphemy. And Jesus also forgave sins whereas the clerics were upset over this, for "who but GOD can forgive sins".

And he also fulfilled the whole prophecy of Isaiah in the end, which he referred to the whole time, as an additional sign.

But just like him, I do not intend to give people new wine in old wineskins. Never.

Had it not been for other people, to help them, I would have thrown Quran out the window, nearly. There are so many wise men and women teaching something better than that corrupt interpretation, especially in certain Buddhist monasteries, and even Christian priests about the love of Jesus (disregarding the errors in perception).

And like you see, I refer to any source of knowledge and wisdom, but I prefer the better and it might come out of the mouth of man directly than on paper. It is harder to truly apply it rather than it being only lipservice.

Salaam