What was your faith before becoming Qurianist?
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Peace Zone,
2 102 ..and they learned what harmed them and did not do any good to them, and certainly they know that he who bought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls; had they but known this.
1653 And whatever good is bestowed on you it is from Allah;..
i only said 'wish to shed', because there is pride in it. God likes-not pride. in pride i will not know what is good and bad. also, i do not know what all the pride i have unknowingly. zone, if i ask u the computer knowledge is it good or bad or does it harm us?. what will u say?
i have not said anything like evil human. with the knowledge i compete others and others compete me. there is only competition. competition harms. what we say as knowledge according to me is user manual. how to use the gadgets is actually we refer here as knowledge. i do not have knowledge of my own, only taught by others. till we have wisdom we can use our knowledge God fearing that i should not harm myself and others with this knowledge.
in wisdom there is no competition, there is no pride. i don't own it, i clearly know it is not from me but from the God.
even now i do not know, whether u take my answer in the right way i intend. this computer will not show u my state of mind. unless we know each other for a quite period of time (if God so wills), our knowledge / pride will not accept good as good.
peace
Peace DrGm.
Your response poses more questions than answers to my mind. I do not wish to debate on many things that surfaced from your post, but let me just zero in on human knowledge. Please read my earlier post on human knowledge. Suffice for me to say we can use anything to be in the wrong or right, besides human knowledge, ego state, sorcery and computers.
Peace.
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Peace Zone,
you said "i wish not to debate". i agree to that. Though, i have some thought how i look about human knowledge. many things said in your post about human knowledge, i too had the same understanding before.
The process of knowing the truth is science.
to know the truth there is no process, we can only process false to appear true. truth is intuitive and personal. Truth is not material.
Yes there are errors in the process, depicting the true nature of humans.
errors, this is the result of processing.
peace
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Peace DrGm.
Peace Zone,
you said "i wish not to debate". i agree to that. Though, i have some thought how i look about human knowledge. many things said in your post about human knowledge, i too had the same understanding before.
to know the truth there is no process, we can only process false to appear true. truth is intuitive and personal. Truth is not material.
errors, this is the result of processing.
peace
Just curious. To me life is a learning experience. Could you please give an example of something you come to know as the truth with no process of knowing.
This is my position on intuitive knowledge. Yes it is personal and I don't regard it as real knowledge, the truth to be shared as facts. Also I will not use it as a guide, a determinant of my behavior. I will not act based on something I have no knowledge of.
Scientific knowledge can be confirmed/verified by other scientists through empirical researches.
Peace.
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Peace Zone,
Peace DrGm.
Just curious. To me life is a learning experience. Could you please give an example of something you come to know as the truth with no process of knowing.
eg i want to eat. I don't need any process to know this.
there is only one truth "There is no God other than Me. so, fear Me" 162
To believe and attain this state, my knowledge /pride act as a block. as long as i believe in my human knowledge i will not attain this state. so i wish to shed my human knowledge, even to shed He only can help. i believe God will shed our pride and take us near Him only if we wish/bow so, that is the reason he has given as long life.
as i travel i have to leave behind the knowledge i got; if i search for knowledge, i am putting my own veil. in this travel, i have faith in Allah and His messenger. May Allah increase me in my faith. I only hope u will understand.
peace
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Peace Zone,
eg i want to eat. I don't need any process to know this.
there is only one truth "There is no God other than Me. so, fear Me" 162
To believe and attain this state, my knowledge /pride act as a block. as long as i believe in my human knowledge i will not attain this state. so i wish to shed my human knowledge, even to shed He only can help. i believe God will shed our pride and take us near Him only if we wish/bow so, that is the reason he has given as long life.
as i travel i have to leave behind the knowledge i got; if i search for knowledge, i am putting my own veil. in this travel, i have faith in Allah and His messenger. May Allah increase me in my faith. I only hope u will understand.
peace
Peace DrGm.
I am sorry I have to disagree.
"I want to eat" is a biological instinctive drive. A baby will cry in hunger. The baby has no knowledge of that urge yet.
Knowing is a developmental process of the mind with the help of our senses. A baby does not possess a fully developed mind to go through a learning process, i.e. construct meanings on a phenomenon to form knowledge, the science of knowing. The process of knowing is only possible when our state of mind and our senses are ready to be in-formed of meanings of things and to make sense of everything.
1670 It is Allah who creates you and takes your souls at death; and of you there are some who are sent back to a feeble age, so that they know nothing after having known (much) for Allah is All-Knowing, All-Powerful.
225 O People, if you should be in doubt about the Resurrection, then indeed, We created you from dust, then from a sperm-drop, then from a clinging clot, and then from a lump of flesh, formed and unformed - that We may show you. And We settle in the wombs whom We will for a specified term, then We bring you out as a child, and then that you may reach your maturity. And among you is he who is taken in death, and among you is he who is returned to the most decrepit age so that he knows, after knowledge, nothing. And you see the earth barren, but when We send down upon it rain, it quivers and swells and grows of every beautiful kind.
Seest thou not that Allah sends down rain from the sky? With it We then bring out produce of various colours. And in the mountains are tracts white and red, of various shades of colour, and black intense in hue. (3527)
And among people and moving creatures and grazing livestock are various colors similarly. Those truly fear Allah, from among His servants, who have knowledge (l-ulama). Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Forgiving. (352
Seest thou not that Allah sends down rain from the sky, and leads it through springs in the earth? Then He causes to grow, therewith, produce of various colours then it withers; thou wilt see it grow yellow; then He makes it dry up and crumble away. Truly, in this, is a Message of remembrance to men of understanding. (3921)
I do not wish to pursue on more arguments. I have done my part in conveying my thoughts on human knowledge and its importance to attain success in our life here and the next and to be God conscious.
Peace.
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"I want to eat" is a biological instinctive drive.
Peace zone,
Why dress up a simple truth with a complicated term as "biological instinctive drive".
In this way you will keep disagreeing with any simple truth and take only complicated terms created by scientists as human knowledge.What is this instinct. Who created or planted this in us. Who taught you to understand your instinct.
How does baby know to cry. Who teaches it to cry.
How does the milk start pouring from the breasts which were dead uptil now, as soon as the baby cries.
To me this instinct is intuition from God.Lets reflect on this.
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Peace zone,
Why dress up a simple truth with a complicated term as "biological instinctive drive".
In this way you will keep disagreeing with any simple truth and take only complicated terms created by scientists as human knowledge.What is this instinct. Who created or planted this in us. Who taught you to understand your instinct.
How does baby know to cry. Who teaches it to cry.
How does the milk start pouring from the breasts which were dead uptil now, as soon as the baby cries.
To me this instinct is intuition from God.Lets reflect on this.
GitaPeace Wiselite.
Are you suggesting that in your state of God consciousness, whatever you have in your mind is taught by (from) God?
In my state of God consciousness, whatever is in my mind is my construction of reality and it becomes my (human) knowledge. My position is that it is my business to seek the truth from His guidance and knowledge (His ayats) with His help. What I have presented is my little knowledge of things that I have learned throughout my life, and it is just like a tiny drop of the ocean water if it is representing the total of the God?s knowledge.
4166 But Allah bears witness to that which He has revealed to you. He has sent it down with His knowledge, and the angels bear witness . And sufficient is Allah as Witness.
1114 And if they do not respond to you - then know that the Qur'an was revealed with the knowledge of Allah and that there is no deity except Him. Then, would you be Muslims?
3022 And of His ayats is the creation of the heavens and the earth and the diversity of your languages and your colors. Indeed in that are ayats for those of knowledge.
18109 Say, "If the sea were ink for the words of my Lord, the sea would be exhausted before the words of my Lord were exhausted, even if We brought the like of it as a supplement."
3528 And among people and moving creatures and grazing livestock are various colors similarly. Those truly fear Allah, from among His servants, who have knowledge (l-ulama). Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Forgiving.
To me, Allah guides whomever He wills, this is His affairs.
5 16 By which Allah guides those who pursue His pleasure to the ways of peace and brings them out from darkness into the light, by His permission, and guides them to a straight path.So, seeking guidance is my business
My Lord,
16-7 Guide us to the straight path. The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor, not of those who have evoked anger or of those who are astray.Allah teaches. We learn. We are independently dependent (please read my post on this).
To me we differ. And in Judgment Day, Allah will show us what we differ. I have said enough.
Peace.
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Peace DrGm.
I am sorry I have to disagree.
"I want to eat" is a biological instinctive drive. A baby will cry in hunger. The baby has no knowledge of that urge yet.
Knowing is a developmental process of the mind with the help of our senses. A baby does not possess a fully developed mind to go through a learning process, i.e. construct meanings on a phenomenon to form knowledge, the science of knowing. The process of knowing is only possible when our state of mind and our senses are ready to be in-formed of meanings of things and to make sense of everything.
The baby has no knowledge of the biological instinctive drive, 'I want to eat!' It simply cries.
In many instances the child refuses to suckle the milk but cries, and cries non-stop. So it is taken to fully mentally developed child specialist who could construct meanings of phenomenon of cries of babies, who knows the science of knowing. The baby cries more even as the doctor is constructing the meanings on the cries a phenomena of knowledge. The baby is all the while helping the doctor by its incessant cry. The doctor keeps pressing its abdomen all round constructing his phenomenon in his well-developed mind.
Finally he comes up with the fancy name for the suffering Infantile Colic Syndrome. - ICS
Reason or diagnosis unknown.
Then is ICS - a diagnosis? No!
Then what is ICS? The meaning is child is crying non-stop! It is simply a medical jargon, to make the people falsely understand as if they had diagnosed and hence the name - ICS
So what is the meaning of - ICS ? The meaning is what the hell? Why is it crying? Damn.
What to do now? Antacids and smooth muscle relaxants in gel or syrup form to that tender stomach. It is not scientific treatment but symptomatic or empirical or quackery.
Complications permanent indigestion; constipation alternating with diarrhoea. Poor thriving and repeated cold, cough and fever. Pancreas disturbances in the later childhood resulting in diabetes. And thereafter you know all the complications of diabetes one following the other. Gaseous disturbances and piles in the middle age are unavoidable complications.
The truth is when the child cries
- It cries for thirst for which you shall give water and not milk.
- It cries for appetite for which you shall give only milk and not water.
- Because of indigestion from previous feed.
- Or it requires repeated small feeds of milk; it feeds very little; after a short while it feeds again for another small feed
- It cries at mother when she attempts to feed I do not need food now! Just leave me alone!
If the mothers do not know these 5 categories and ignorant of how to feed a child then there is hell awaiting for the child from her own mother. The MM doctors are absolute ignorants of these truths.
DrGm has perfectly answered with an example "I want to eat!"
None knows the meaning of child's cry but the crying baby, other than the God! This is the "Truth!"drfazl
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So what is the meaning of - ICS ? The meaning is what the hell? Why is it crying? Damn.
Lol.
Walk away zone, walk away...the pull of the abyss is strong I know ;D
peace
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Peace,
ICS = Internet Connection Sharing. Well it depends on in what context you put it p
Well, we all come from God and to Him we will return. If you follow Him it is fair to say that we should praise God for all our Knowledge and Wisdom. You did not acquire this Knowledge due to your own cleverness but God had a hand. This is one of the keys to success.
The baby child does not know any other action than crying when the stomach is growling and so it does. It is a reflex. If you as an adult know nothing else to do then you would cry too. It is the last call for help. The baby knows no ways of getting food due to ignorance so it simply cries when it wants anything.
God bless you