Sana'a Manuscripts?
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http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNdvsLh128Q
I would like some knowledgeable replies regarding the content of this video. It was very interesting and I do not have the knowledge regarding this.
Peace,
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Yup, I've seen it also before, it is quite disturbing and puzzling...
I'd also like to know more, thanx for sharing the video
Peace
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Yup, I've seen it also before, it is quite disturbing and puzzling...
I'd also like to know more, thanx for sharing the video
Peace
Alhamdulillah, I felt the same way puzzled. I did see there are some interesting responses by some scholars like Shabir Ally to this specific this research done by Puin, but I did not watch entire responses to it.
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Thanks for the share. I came to know about it some years ago. Research said that sana's manuscripts had many mistakes for which the writer discontinued writing and since Quranic verses can't be just thrown away, the book was buried with respect. If those German scholars think that we are now reading fake Quran, they have to explain how facts from embryology, oceanography, astronomy and all other scientific fields ended up in Quranic verses since even after 70 years of prophet's death, there was no telescope. In fact, it was invented in 1609 .Many of the scientific facts found in Quran have been just discovered and one of them is expanding universe. The scholars also have to tell us how people truly memorize the entire holybook even today. It happens all over the world. See here a 3 year old reciting the entire Quran. https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyVoOcZZ3cE
The thing is that when a huge number of people memorize something it becomes free of corruption. This is because if anyone tries to include his own ayats inside Quran he will get caught.
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To me, the fact that with material book or without it, in the wide world there is only one Qur'an known, save unconsequential and minute variations, is conclusive. Also for me is conclusive the fact that the more I know the wiser it seems to me. And that it does not fall in any of the classical roles. All wrong attributed to the Qur'an is derived from extraquranical projections.
Salaam
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I urge you to check out the post in this link http//forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=156136803&p=1271148781&viewfull=1#post1271148781
The poster gives a historical breakdown of the reasons for there being different manuscripts written at or around the time of revelation. You may balk at the fact that he uses hadith to make his point, but he mentions that they are mutawaatir hadith, meaning that they are narrated from enough different sources that they are pretty much necessarily historically authentic. It makes sense that the Qur'an was revealed in different dialects - how else would the different Arabs understand them? - and that the manuscripts would diverge considerable amounts due to what I'd expect is mutual unintelligibility between dialects.
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This whole manuscript thing is getting fishier. I did some more research on it. Certain questions that come to my mind now are
Why western scholars were more interested in it? The most interested person was Dr. Gerd R?diger Puin.
If he knows so much about Quran, why did he make these false claims in his book The Hidden Origins of Islam New Research into Its Early History?
"Indeed, evidence from the Koran, finalized at a much later time, shows that its central theological tenets were influenced by a pre-Nicean, Syrian Christianity."
How on earth he missed the fact that Islam wasn't a new religion and that Quran already talks about how Islam was changed into Christianity? Does he have any idea about Judaism? Islam is actually far more similar to it.Blooper he made
"Some of the parchment pages in the Yemeni hoard seemed to date back to the seventh and eighth centuries A.D., or Islam's first two centuries?they were fragments, in other words, of perhaps the oldest Korans in existence. What's more, some of these fragments revealed small but intriguing aberrations from the standard Koranic text. Such aberrations, though not surprising to textual historians, are troublingly at odds with the orthodox Muslim belief that the Koran as it has reached us today is quite simply the perfect, timeless, and unchanging Word of God"So according to Mr Puin, it took people 2 or 3 centuries to write one one Quran, yet it was incomplete? They were using the same kind of parchment pages for centuries? That certainly puts the pages in guinness book of world record. Why didn't Puin notify the organization about it?
"So many Muslims have this belief that everything between the two covers of the Qur'an is Allah's unaltered word. They like to quote the textual work that shows that the Bible has a history and did not fall straight out of the sky, but until now the Qur'an has been out of this discussion. The only way to break through this wall is to prove that the Qur'an has a history too. The Sana'a fragments will help us accomplish this"
As a scholar Wasn't he supposed to be neutral in his study? Why is he sounding like "Now you can't say bible is corrupted, your Quran is corrupted also"? He is speaking like he is some kind of orthodox chrisitian and not a scholar.
"The Koran claims for itself that it is 'mubeen,' or 'clear,' but if you look at it, you will notice that every fifth sentence or so simply doesn't make sense. Many Muslims?and Orientalists?will tell you otherwise, of course, but the fact is that a fifth of the Koranic text is just incomprehensible. This is what has caused the traditional anxiety regarding translation. If the Koran is not comprehensible?if it can't even be understood in Arabic?then it's not translatable.
He was the researcher of sana manuscript. He was comparing Quran with it. As you can see above, he admitted that he did not even understand the verses. Then what on earth was he studying and comparing? Here is a glimpse of his profession.
"Gerd R?diger Puin (born 1940) is a German scholar and an authority on Qur'anic historical orthography, the study and scholarly interpretation of ancient manuscripts. He is also a specialist in Arabic paleography. He was a lecturer of Arabic at Saarland University, in Saarbr?cken Germany."
Another problem is that Sana manuscripts are not aggressively different from Quran like the problem we see between Injeel and Bible.
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It is so silly. If he does not understand it is incomprehensible? He does not understand full stop.
It is like pretending that a cooking text book that you read you cannot understand. If your are nto a cook sure you will not understand, or if you take maths advanced book not large chunks will be umcomprensible to a layman almos tht whole book will be so. If you do not believe the God revealed the book if you think that everything is a fraud, what is it you intend to understand?
I know of people who do not know Arabic and understand the Qur'an perfectly. It is not in the book it is in the mind.
Salaam
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LOL, he admitted that the docs were not contradicting Quran. There was no variation in meanings. Only the Surahs were not put in traditional order. That is not even a matter of surprise. Order variation does not have anything to do with corruption. But I think he didn't even touch a Quran. Apparently, his line Indeed, evidence from the Koran, finalized at a much later time, shows that its central theological tenets were influenced by a pre-Nicean, Syrian Christianity smells more like he was reading Hadith books which say that Allah made humans in his own image.
But I truly wonder if sana manuscript came from 7th 8th century. The docs were discovered in 1972. Yemeni president handed them over to Puin in 1977. Such a big gap in years? Why? Yemen, just like majority of the Muslim countries believe that Quran interpretation must be done mainly by the scholars. Then why on earth the president handed them over to a western person who sounded more like a hater of Islam? The funniest thing is that the study of this manuscripts was sponsored by German government. The entire story of how it came to Puin is laughable at best.
The ignorant laborers gathered up the manuscripts, pressed them carelessly into some 20 potato sacks, and set them aside on the staircase of one of the Mosque?s minarets, where they were locked away. The manuscripts would have been forgotten once again, were it not for Qadhi Isma?il al-Akwa, then the President of Yemeni Antiquities Authority, who realized the potential importance of the find. Al-Akwa sought international assistance in examining and preserving the fragments, because no scholar in his country was capable of working on this rich find. In 1977, he managed to interest a visiting non-Muslim German scholar, who in turn persuaded the German government to organize and find a restoration project.Moreover, these manuscripts are written in a script that originates from the Hijaz?the region of Arabia where prophet Muhammad lived, which makes them not only the oldest to have survived, but one of the earliest authentic copies of the Quran ever. Hijazi Arabic is the script (Makkan or Madinan), in which the earliest Quran was written.
So Arabic scholars who knew Quran far better than Puin were not capable of studying the manuscripts?
Something unique is found near one of the oldest mosques, yet all the rich middle eastern countries show no interest in sponsoring the study? What about Saudi Arabia since Hijaz falls in this country?Lesson from the entire story If you find an ancient Greek manuscript somewhere in Greece, don't keep it in Europe. Instead hand it over to an Urdu speaking scholar from Pakistan for research. He wont understand a thing, but hey we still must hold all his findings as truth because he is a scholar -\