What is Islam?
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Peace muslims,
I sincerely have difficulty understanding your point, and I am in no way intending to be
offensive, maybe someone can paraphrase what you are trying to say, or are you asking
should muslims ignore the Quran?God bless
peace
Salam hawk99,
Very well said.
God bless. handshake
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What does it take to move Islam from "Religion" to "Deen"?
peace,
those? who thought to make 'deen' a movement/group, created religion.
now, a proposal for a movement /group to make 'religion' into deen.
where as
2856 - It is true thou wilt not be able to guide every one, whom thou lovest;
1043 - but can you guide the blind, even though they see not?
2781 - Nor can you lead the blind out of their error
heads of movement/religion/government/organisation
1197 - Unto Pharaoh and his chiefs but they followed the command of Pharaoh and the command of Pharaoh was no right
2079 - Pharaoh led his people astray instead of leading them right.
when we become part of group
4354 - ..and they obeyed him. Indeed, they were a people defiantly disobedient
the path of peace is for individual, our prophets, messengers stood firm in their covenant to God and by the leave of Allah lived their life as an example in the path of peace they wish for. this example united the wishful believers in God and His government.
a prophet/messenger is for the believers who need guidance towards Allah. this believers are always there right from the days of Adam till today, till the last day. a messenger is chosen for this believers for salvation if need arise by the leave of Allah.
these believers are known only by Allah. His grace removes them from their agony.
peace.
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peace,
those? who thought to make 'deen' a movement/group, created religion.
now, a proposal for a movement /group to make 'religion' into deen.
where as
2856 - It is true thou wilt not be able to guide every one, whom thou lovest;
1043 - but can you guide the blind, even though they see not?
2781 - Nor can you lead the blind out of their error
heads of movement/religion/government/organisation
1197 - Unto Pharaoh and his chiefs but they followed the command of Pharaoh and the command of Pharaoh was no right
2079 - Pharaoh led his people astray instead of leading them right.
when we become part of group
4354 - ..and they obeyed him. Indeed, they were a people defiantly disobedient
the path of peace is for individual, our prophets, messengers stood firm in their covenant to God and by the leave of Allah lived their life as an example in the path of peace they wish for. this example united the wishful believers in God and His government.
a prophet/messenger is for the believers who need guidance towards Allah. this believers are always there right from the days of Adam till today, till the last day. a messenger is chosen for this believers for salvation if need arise by the leave of Allah.
these believers are known only by Allah. His grace removes them from their agony.
peace.
Salam DrGm,
What is wrong with "benefiting humanity" or even a "group to benefit humanity"?
Peace.
There is no religion and it is not about to spread Islam, since Islam is not a religion. It is about to spread peace, harmony and unity in the society. It's about benefiting humanity, kindness to His creation and giving to relatives. This is how people from different backgrounds and traditions are able to accept Islam by our Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Unconditional acceptance (respect) of world religious practices and balancing what is just to every living creatures. This is "Din of Islam".
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Proven method.
How difficult for someone to dispute when it is not about Religion of Islam, but about Deen of Islam; ie. benefiting humanity, kindness to His creation and giving to relatives. When it is about to spread peace, harmony and unity in the society. When it is about <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">unconditional freedom</a> in matters of faith in unequivocal terms. Anyone can accept this Deen.
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peace,
the last ayat revealed- one meaning agreed.
another meaning when a god-fearing man finds Quran as his only guide for salvation, then God's sign to him confirms to strengthen his belief "today I perfected/completed for you your path and My favor on you and chosen for you peace as way of life;"
peace.
Peace DrGm,
According to mmkhan, the you in 5/3 is plural i.e., meaning group, therefore ayat 5/3
is not referring to an individual but to a group. see link belowhttp//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335670#msg335670
God bless
peace
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He has made plain to you <-- What is Islam
of the Din (l-dni)
what He enjoined upon Nuh
and that which We have revealed to you
and that which We enjoined upon Ibrahim
and Musa
and Isa
that keep to obedience <-- prostrate to Allah
and be not divided therein <-- prostrate to Adam (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335753#msg335753">7172</a> from many nations to oneSay "He has power
to send torment on you
from above
or from under your feet
or to cover you with confusion in party strife
and make you to taste
the violence of one another."See how variously We explain the Ayat
so that they may understand.
(<a href="http//quran.com/6/65">665</a>The Qur'an Alone or Allah Alone is no use for our salvation...
The example of those
who were entrusted with the Torah
and then did not take it on
is like that
of a donkey
who carries volumes
Wretched is the example of the people
who deny
the signs of Allah
And Allah does not guide
the wrongdoing people
(<a href="http//quran.com/62/5">625</a>And whoever seeks a "dnan" (ا other than Islam
it will NEVER be accepted of him
and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
(<a href="http//quran.com/3/85">385</a>Therefore, any time spent on other than the Deen of Islam is wasted.
It keeps us busy till the end of our life, but gets us to nowhere. (<a href="http//quran.com/18/103-106">18103-106</a> -
Salaam,
RED If you refer to a verse then please give the verse numbers it makes it easy for the readers especially if you use a translation.
I guess you are referring here to 229 and part of 230GREEN yes I know the bold part, it says A khalif and not MY khalif
I do not use anyone's translation. What are the differences between the two by the usages 1) A khalif and 2) My khalif. What are their functions?
BLUE I think you misunderstood.
Allah commands almalaikat to do sujud to Adam, that does not mean that Adam can command almalaikat.Is it quite possible you could have misunderstood while judging others. Definitely each one's understanding should be different and in each one his understanding varies between different moments.
Did you ever commanded an malaikat? If so I like to know how and what you commandd them.
Before that if only you had pondered the meanings of 297, 298 and the Malayika mentioned therein and the makayikas mentioned in 4131 & 32, you would have turned to Allah to pose this question and not to me. Surely He guides whom He wills. Unless you believe in Malayika, after belief in Allah and the Last Day, there is no way to understand the Book even and cannot believe in the prophets too. 2177. Believing in the Malayika is third pre-requisite to strengthen our IMAN.
This place as become too crowded and distracting. I think we meet again at some place where there is less crowd.
Salam
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Peace DrGm,
According to mmkhan, the you in 5/3 is plural i.e., meaning group, therefore ayat 5/3
is not referring to an individual but to a group. see link belowhttp//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335670#msg335670
God bless
peace
peace hawk99,
even if we take that, when addressed to a group, it is again for the individual in the group.
1995 - And everyone of them will come to Him singly on the Day of Judgment.
peace
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peace hawk99,
even if we take that, when addressed to a group, it is again for the individual in the group.
1995 - And everyone of them will come to Him singly on the Day of Judgment.
peace
Peace DrGm,
No offence intended, just giving you the correct translation that's all.
handshake
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<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">Unconditional freedom</a> in matter of faith etc.
and no division in the society, irrespective of their religions.To every nation
We appointed acts of devotion <-- Does it really matter to us how they perform their prayers?
which they observe (<a href="http//quran.com/5/101-105">5101-105</a>
therefore they should not dispute with you about the matterand call to your Lord <-- Deen of Islam
most surely you are on a right way <-- just and balance (<a href="http//quran.com/3/67-68">367-68</a>And if they contend with you, say
Allah best knows what you do
Allah will judge between you <-- Let Allah be the Judge, and never ever associating
on the day of resurrection ourselves with Allah. Always mind our own business.
respecting that in which you differ <-- no division (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335855#msg335855">42</a>
(<a href="http//quran.com/22/67-69">2267-68</a>And do not argue
with the People of the Scripture
except in a way that is best
except for those who commit injustice among them, and say"We believe in that which has been revealed to us
and revealed to you
And our God <-- Interesting! The issue is why Allah command us to say this to the disbelievers?
and your God
is one
and we are Muslims to Him." <-- If obedience to Allah is not the real issue,
(<a href="http//quran.com/29/46">2946</a> then what is the real issue in life?O you who believe!
Be upright for Allah <-- just and balance (<a href="http//quran.com/3/67-68">367-68</a>
bearers of witness with justiceand let not hatred of a people
incite you not to act equitably
act equitably <-- being fair and impartial
that is nearer to pietyand be careful of (your duty to) Allah <-- obedience, while works toward achieving unity
surely Allah is Aware of what you do <-- Allah knows who are the hypocrites and believers.
(<a href="http//quran.com/5/8">58</a>It is also to observe that the Believer in "Sunnatullah" and "Unity", and the ?Nation of the Deen? is not necessarily the so-called Muslim.
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I do not use anyone's translation. What are the differences between the two by the usages 1) A khalif and 2) My khalif. What are their functions?
Salaamun alayka,
"a successor" and "My successor" are not the same.
Is there anyone who can succeed Allah?Is it quite possible you could have misunderstood while judging others. Definitely each one's understanding should be different and in each one his understanding varies between different moments.
I don't judge you I only say what I think, like you are saying what you think. If you do not agree with me that is totally ok with me handshake
Before that if only you had pondered the meanings of 297, 298 and the Malayika mentioned therein and the makayikas mentioned in 4131 & 32, you would have turned to Allah to pose this question and not to me. Surely He guides whom He wills. Unless you believe in Malayika, after belief in Allah and the Last Day, there is no way to understand the Book even and cannot believe in the prophets too. 2177. Believing in the Malayika is third pre-requisite to strengthen our IMAN.
RED I do not understand. I am simply asking you a question like you asked me above this question "1) A khalif and 2) My khalif. What are their functions?"
This place as become too crowded and distracting. I think we meet again at some place where there is less crowd.
Salam
handshake
salaam,
Bender -
The Qur'an Alone or Allah Alone is no use for our salvation...
Alhamdu -> All praises and thanks -> for what? -> how? -> prostrate to Adam (who? - <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335753#msg335753">7172</a>
-> deen -> dayn -> creation is our "debt" -> debt settlement
(root) (our burden of proof)
-return with profit, or
-return as bankruptThen and when our debts are settled...
lillahi rabbi alAAalameen -> (be) to Allah, the Lord of the universe.
We will know what is the reality, universe and what is Allah. We are able to return our Shahada, and not as hypocrites; ie. those who will not benefit from the Shahada and no matter how many times he may have made that statement during his life.
Then...
Say Shall We inform you of the greatest losers in (their) deeds?
(These are) they whose labor
is lost in this world's life
and they think
that they are well versed in skill of the work of handsThese are they who disbelieve
in the communications of their Lord and His meeting
so their deeds become null
and therefore We will not set up a balance for them
on the day of resurrection.Thus it is that their recompense is hell
because they disbelieved
and held My communications
and My messengers
in mockery
(<a href="http//quran.com/18/103-106">18103-106</a> -
that keep to obedience
and be not divided thereinNow the question....
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Can we claim more privilege than the Prophet?
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Can you prove that we are allowed to ignore the "DO NOT" prohibition
and still entitle to call ourselves a Muslim?
Indeed, those who deny Our verses
and are arrogant toward them
the gates of Heaven will not be opened for them
nor will they enter Paradise
until a camel enters into the eye of a needle
And thus do We recompense the criminals
(<a href="http//quran.com/7/40">740</a>It is impossible for a camel to enters into the eye of a needle.
Therefore, it is impossible for <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335266#msg335266">people who (iqtiqad to) disobey Allah</a> to enter Paradise. (<a href="http//quran.com/4/17-18">417-18</a>
Equally, it may also be impossible for them to be on the right path or receiving guidance from Allah.
Such has been the course of Allah that has indeed run before
and you shall not find a change in Allah's course
(<a href="http//quran.com/48/23">4823</a>And We said
"O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise
and eat therefrom in abundance from wherever you will
But DO NOT approach this tree <-- The Sunnatullah?
lest you be among the wrongdoers"But Satan caused them to slip out of it <-- Breach of Sunnatullah
and removed them from that
in which they had been -
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Surely this is indeed what is the evident trial
(<a href="http//quran.com/37/106">37106</a>Do the people think
that they will be left to say,
"We believe"
and they will not be tried?But We have certainly tried those before them
and Allah will surely make evident
those who are truthful
and He will surely make evident
the liarsOr do those who do evil deeds think they can outrun Us?
Evil is what they judge
(<a href="http//quran.com/29/2-4">292-4</a>Or do you think
that you will enter Paradise
while such has not yet come to you
as came to those who passed on before you?They were touched by poverty
and hardship
and were shaken
until messenger
and those who believed with him said
"When is the help of Allah ?"
Unquestionably, the help of Allah is near
(<a href="http//quran.com/2/214">2214</a> -
Islam For Dummies (With Chart)
Sorry... &
He has made plain to you <-- What is Islam
of the Din (l-dni)
what He enjoined upon Nuh
and that which We have revealed to you
and that which We enjoined upon Ibrahim
and Musa
and Isa
that keep to obedience
and be not divided thereinAs per my present understanding ... to be rectified by Allah.
Life Purpose
(our test)
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Iman Amal
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Theoretical Practicality
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Minor Major
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100% Obedience Towards human unity
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Mind our own business No Compulsion
(only ourselves*) (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">Unconditional Freedom</a>
(<a href="http//quran.com/5/105">5105</a> (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">2256</a>
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"DO NOT ask" Just and Balance etc.
(<a href="http//quran.com/5/101">5101</a> (<a href="http//quran.com/16/90">1690</a>
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as simplified as possibleTherefore, any time spent on other than the Deen of Islam is wasted.
It keeps us busy till the end of our life, but gets us to nowhere. (<a href="http//quran.com/18/103-106">18103-106</a>(* There is no need to fulfill the jobs of a Messenger of Allah since the Book of Allah has been perfected. The Qur'an is perfect to represent the words of a Messenger, all ages. It is thus a deen (ours) and an exemplary leadership.)
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"a successor" and "My successor" are not the same.
Is there anyone who can succeed Allah?Salam Bender,
Sorry for interrupting but you are comparing Allah with Adam in a same category, and I just wondering where does it say in the Qur'an that Allah belongs to the category of a "Successor"?
This is so since this category or the word successor indicates that Allah "inherits" His authority or He can be replaced or substituted.
Nor is there to Him any equivalent. (1124)
I believe the word successor is referring to the following facts, They (angels) said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood" (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a>. Thus, Adam (and his descendants) are part of His creation and which succeeds those who have come before them.
Peace brother.
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Alhamdu -> All praises and thanks -> for what? -> how? -> prostrate to Adam (who? - <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335753#msg335753">7172</a>
-> deen -> dayn -> creation is our "debt" -> debt settlementWhat is good or bad?
The pleasure of healthiness are to those who are sick/disabled
The pleasure of prettiness are to those who are ugly
The pleasure of intellect are to those who are silly
The pleasure of hearing are to those who are deaf
The pleasure of talking are to those who are dumb
The pleasure of vision are to those who are blind
The pleasure of being rich are to those who are poor
The pleasure of eating are to those who are starving
and so on...
and it will increase or decrease accordingly... just and balance.Therefore, it makes no difference of becoming rich, poor or etc (illusion),
but all these are related to our level of self satisfaction and "Alhamdu";
i.e. fulfillment of Deen, raising or decreasing our awareness to our duty (Deen/Dayn/Debt/Duty <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335480#msg335480">and...</a>.Why are there so many species of bacteria?
Why is there so many dust?
Why do we sweat?
and so as all other problems we are facing today.
Allah Alone or reading Qur'an Alone will not solve this problem, it is "Theoretical" in nature.It is the fulfillment of "Alhamdu" that will lead us to real success (believe and do righteous deeds).
except for those who believe and do righteous deeds - and few are they.
(<a href="http//quran.com/38/24">3824</a>Say, "It is He who has produced you
and made for you
hearing
and vision
and hearts
little are you grateful."
(<a href="http//quran.com/67/23">6723</a>
(description not necessarily related to the Qur'an)And when your Lord proclaimed
'If you are grateful
I will surely increase you
but if you deny
indeed, My punishment is severe.'
(<a href="http//quran.com/14/7">147</a>Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people
until they change what is in themselves
(<a href="http//quran.com/13/11-106">1311</a>