Is it even possible to do True Hajj in 2013?
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Not necessarily. The people being addressed by the aayah might happen to be by the sea. Remember, that the restriction period is a full three-month season, and you can be anywhere during that time. If you happen to be by the sea, then you can go fishing. This is why the aayah mentions "travel". You do not have to be inside the Masjid at the time.
It defies belief and truly boggles the mind how deceived and brainwashed the sectarians are in the way they understand the so-called "State of Ihram". They think that it is during a specific time when you are approaching Makkah, and doing your rituals for a few days therein (as if anyone can engage in travel or even think of hunting a deer, or contemplate going out of his way to the sea coast to catch a fish while being engrossed in those mindless rituals they do!).
They have made a complete mockery of the Quran's teaching regarding the restricted months, and the true understanding of what Hajj really is.
The main culprits who did this are the same ones who hijacked the Deen, moved the seat of government out of its true place, transferred it to Damascus and later to Baghdad, and established their tyrannical and corrupt rule there. The Hajj was emptied of its meaning and became a carnival of pagan rituals.
There is more to the story...much more ... but to go any further is to open a Pandora's box unto something very ugly...
Peace,
I agree with most of what you wrote, thanks.
May Allah bless you pr
mmKhan -
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Peace.
It is four shuhuur. If you understand shahr = full moon instead of shahr = lunar month (with new moons as marker), you get three lunar months as the time of four shuhuur
first full moon --> second full moon (1 month)
second full moon --> third full moon (1 month)
third full moon --> fourth full moon (1 month)
total 3 month
Salam ,
The fourth full Moon is marking the starter of the fourth month and at the same time the end of the third month , the same as the first full moon is marking the start of the first month and the end of the twelve month , think about it ! , the breakdown instead should be as below
first full moon --> second full moon (1 st month )
second full moon --> third full moon (2 nd month)
third full moon --> fourth full moon (3 rd month)
fourth full moon --> Fifth full moon (4 th month )
total 4 Months
And it goes on
........5 to 6 --> (5th month )
........6 to 7 --> (6th month )
........ 7 to 8 --> (7th month )
........ 8 to 9 --> (8th month )
........ 9 to 10 --> (9th month )
........ 10 to 11 --> (10th month )
.........11 to 12 --> (11th month )
.........12 to 1 --> (12th month )total 12 months
This is the correct breakdown of the twelve "Chahr " / Months , there is no inconsistency .
If you still not convinced with my approach Lets go according to your analysis , and see where it ends up
What is the equivalent of the English word "Month" in the Quran ?
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Salam ,
The fourth full Moon is marking the starter of the fourth month and at the same time the end of the third month , the same as the first full moon is marking the start of the first month and the end of the twelve month , think about it ! , the breakdown instead should be as below
first full moon --> second full moon (1 st month )
second full moon --> third full moon (2 nd month)
third full moon --> fourth full moon (3 rd month)
fourth full moon --> Fifth full moon (4 th month )
total 4 Months
And it goes on
........5 to 6 --> (5th month )
........6 to 7 --> (6th month )
........ 7 to 8 --> (7th month )
........ 8 to 9 --> (8th month )
........ 9 to 10 --> (9th month )
........ 10 to 11 --> (10th month )
.........11 to 12 --> (11th month )
.........12 to 1 --> (12th month )total 12 months
This is the correct breakdown of the twelve "Chahr " / Months , there is no inconsistency .
If you still not convinced with my approach Lets go according to your analysis , and see where it ends up
What is the equivalent of the English word "Month" in the Quran ?
1st Start of a new lunar month is the NEW CRESCENT, not the full moon. See 2189.
2nd In The Qur'aan SHAHR is the equivalent of MONTH.
Peace,
Khalil -
This is incredible, you people don't seem to agree even on most basic things, let alone more subtle ones...
How is one supposed to follow the Qur'an? ???Did God intend disputes for centuries over all those things?
How is it possible that humanity couldn't settle their own conflicts, both internally and externally, and come to an agreement, any agreements at all? -[
Just reading these posts on this one Forum, one gets saturated with confusion...
Appalling really...
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Insight comes to those who i) sincerely pray to God for it, ii) purify themselves by trying to heal the tendencies of resistance, rejection and arrogance, iii) have patience and don't rush and force understanding on themselves, iv) realize that they don't know much, v) constantly pray to God for forgiveness...
To acquire wisdom and understanding we must be humble, patient and constantly working on our own selves...
well, that's a crucial part of the solution at least
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Insight comes to those who i) sincerely pray to God for it, ii) purify themselves by trying to heal the tendencies of resistance, rejection and arrogance, iii) have patience and don't rush and force understanding on themselves, iv) realize that they don't know much, v) constantly pray to God for forgiveness...
To acquire wisdom and understanding we must be humble, patient and constantly working on our own selves...
well, that's a crucial part of the solution at least
Salaamun,
I agree 100% handshake
Unfortunately most of us try to work and think about others and forget our own selves.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
I share Godsubmitter's frustration. I also wonder how the heck it is that we at the same time see the glaring inconsistencies in traditional approach, while matters don't come to solid conclusions from the Quran anyway when. Well, as far as I can see, there are only two possibilities, quite frankly and logically.
These two are
i) the Quran is not what it claims to be, and
ii) there is something wrong "down here" i.e. with us, i.e. we have issue due to our blindness, which bytheway the Quran keeps speaking about.I think all of us should be humble enough to realize that there might be alot of internal resistance, rejection, blindness in us that prevent us from seeing things. Not realizing this will just leave us frustrated and confused, or even worse, making us jump to, and stick to, premature conclusions.
There is nothing wrong with God, life or the Quran. The problem is with us. The sooner we realize this and start to sincerely pray for forgiveness, the sooner things will shape up. I think the Christians have some idea about this, though it might have become twisted, and that is the idea about the original sin, the inherited sin. Calling it sin gives a very wrong impression. We should rather see it as a blindness/slumber/resistance/rejection that we need to address and bit by bit chip off.
Things take time, and there for we should not rush. We cannot force something prematurely.
Peace
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Peace Zulf, GODsubmitter,
Remember this is a test and a very interesting one at that
The changing of the Qiblah was a test.
We will surely test you through some fear, hunger, and loss of money, lives,
and crops. Give good news to the steadfast.Do you think you will walk into Jannah without being put to the test?
Saul was put you to the test by means of a stream.
Do not despair, but we do have to make a choice.
May the test continue!
God bless
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Salaam,
God preserved the Quran, but we are unable to interpret it properly. Is that not ironic?
It is probably a test or God would make sure that the correct understanding of Quran was always possible without hassle.
Still, thanks to some wise brains part of the true nature of God's Book is available, although much remains to be understood.
But as far as I understand we just have to fulfill the three main parameters I always go on about for salvation. Exact understanding is not mandatory as long as we believe in God and remain righteous as well as believing in the eternity of existence. Association of partners with God is the major trap for people, not much else and which keeps people away from Heaven, plus the behavioral part of course we should not forget. These two parameters are the traps for people.
God bless you