salaam+ with a renewed image
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as-salaamu "alaykum or Peace to all the good brothers and sisters of this forum
I was "dead" meaning cut off from the forum for seven days but I am now "alive" meaning made active again. Henceforth I shall turn the other cheek for the sake of the continuation of the valuable discussions inshaa ALLAAH.
My first step would be to answer all the questions that were asked by the respected members for their complete satisfaction.wa_"alaykumu-s-salaam wa-rahmatu-LLAAHi wa-barakaatuHu or the Peace and the mercy of God and His blessings upon you
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Wasalaam and welcome back
My first step would be to answer all the questions that were asked by the respected members for their complete satisfaction.
Yeah don't forget about this http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605683.msg334790#msg334790
If you don't want answer in here then just by PM.Before I study a science then I must know from where and authenticity of that science first.
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as-salaamu "alaykum or Peace to all the good brothers and sisters of this forum
I was "dead" meaning cut off from the forum for seven days but I am now "alive" meaning made active again. Henceforth I shall turn the other cheek for the sake of the continuation of the valuable discussions inshaa ALLAAH.
My first step would be to answer all the questions that were asked by the respected members for their complete satisfaction.wa_"alaykumu-s-salaam wa-rahmatu-LLAAHi wa-barakaatuHu or the Peace and the mercy of God and His blessings upon you
Welcome back brother ,
To be just The forum moderators / administrators should give you absolute freedom to post whatever you think is right (Al- H A K ) , and then reply back to you confirming or rejecting your thoughts without banning you ( Pushed out / R J M ) as long as you do consider their forum rules , as at the end you are a Guest , and as long as there is no global forum communication ( Consultation ) about the rules and the direction or the vision of the forum Free minds or Allah Alone or Quran alone are guides and directives but not vision / Objective.
In the meantime it will be mush appreciated if you provide evidence when you enforce your arguments with narration ( Hadith ) outside the Quran , because as you know the main directive of the forum is Quran Alone , so you'll be mush understood and accepted if you prove the authenticity of anything outside the Quran .
Also as you notice yourself it's mush helpful if you avoid haste as much as you can
I'am sure you have a very interesting knowledge and i learned a lot from you , also i believe you do a great effort on what you are teaching .
May Allah guide us to what is nearer than this to right conduct and comprehension
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Salaam al-amiyr, welcome back!
When do you think we can have a continuation of the lessons in the Qur'aan Lexicographical Model thread. -
Welcome back brother ,
To be just The forum moderators / administrators should give you absolute freedom to post whatever you think is right (Al- H A K ) , and then reply back to you confirming or rejecting your thoughts without banning you ( Pushed out / R J M ) as long as you do consider their forum rules , as at the end you are a Guest , and as long as there is no global forum communication ( Consultation ) about the rules and the direction or the vision of the forum Free minds or Allah Alone or Quran alone are guides and directives but not vision / Objective.
In the meantime it will be mush appreciated if you provide evidence when you enforce your arguments with narration ( Hadith ) outside the Quran , because as you know the main directive of the forum is Quran Alone , so you'll be mush understood and accepted if you prove the authenticity of anything outside the Quran .
Also as you notice yourself it's mush helpful if you avoid haste as much as you can
I'am sure you have a very interesting knowledge and i learned a lot from you , also i believe you do a great effort on what you are teaching .
May Allah guide us to what is nearer than this to right conduct and comprehension
salaam+ Good Brother Alkitab
Thank you for the welcome! I consider all your proposals with good regard. I myself also read your posts and have added to my knowledge al-hamdu lillaaH.
During the time when I have been rightfully silenced for seven days I started to be active on Forum The Hidden Book. I started there a discussion called The Qur'aan and The Junction of The Two Seas- The journey of Moses(s+) to the Cape of Good Hope, South Africa. I discuss there from 2200 - 0100 GMT or 2300 - 0200 TMT (Table Mountain Time). 10 members in the discussions and almost 600 posts to read. Hope you can add your valuable understandings inshaa ALLAAH.
+salaam always
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salaam+ Good Brother Alkitab
Thank you for the welcome! I consider all your proposals with good regard. I myself also read your posts and have added to my knowledge al-hamdu lillaaH.
During the time when I have been rightfully silenced for seven days I started to be active on Forum The Hidden Book. I started there a discussion called The Qur'aan and The Junction of The Two Seas- The journey of Moses(s+) to the Cape of Good Hope, South Africa. I discuss there from 2200 - 0100 GMT or 2300 - 0200 TMT (Table Mountain Time). 10 members in the discussions and almost 600 posts to read. Hope you can add your valuable understandings inshaa ALLAAH.
+salaam always
Salam brother ,
Sound interesting , i am not sure i can be present during the discussion but sure i'll read the posts and i'll give my feed back . By the way i lost my pass word )
Before i read anything about the subject , right now the evidences i saw convinced me about the approach of Brother Member Pazuzu as when was the land of the book and its people , many evidence and proof show up that is the region of the modern Yemen , the study of brother member Pazuzu is valuable and the arguments are very solid , i hope you read it .
I hope i read your study brother , because if it turns out that some events , like the journey of Moses (s+) took place in modern south Africa , then only evidence and proof count , i mean archaeological , anthropological , linguistic evidence . Even if it sound strange as per the entire geography where the events took place .
But lets not rush till i read the post .
Salam
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Salam brother ,
Sound interesting , i am not sure i can be present during the discussion but sure i'll read the posts and i'll give my feed back . By the way i lost my pass word )
Before i read anything about the subject , right now the evidences i saw convinced me about the approach of Brother Member Pazuzu as when was the land of the book and its people , many evidence and proof show up that is the region of the modern Yemen , the study of brother member Pazuzu is valuable and the arguments are very solid , i hope you read it .
I hope i read your study brother , because if it turns out that some events , like the journey of Moses (s+) took place in modern south Africa , then only evidence and proof count , i mean archaeological , anthropological , linguistic evidence . Even if it sound strange as per the entire geography where the events took place .
But lets not rush till i read the post .
Salam
salaam+ respected brother
I will sort out your password today inshaa ALLAAH.
I am very interested to hear what respected forum member Pazuzu has to say on the matter of The journey of Moses (P+) to The Junction of the Two Seas as described in the Qur'aan. I would appreciate it greatly if you could show me how to get to his presentation for a thorough investigation.
+salaam
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I would appreciate it greatly if you could show me how to get to his presentation for a thorough investigation.
+salaam
Salam brother ,
Have a look into this , it's worth reading
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603137.0
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603245.0
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603126.0
There is a two e-book about the subject witch i'll tray to send you later .
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Wasalaam and welcome back
Yeah don't forget about this http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605683.msg334790#msg334790
If you don't want answer in here then just by PM.Before I study a science then I must know from where and authenticity of that science first.
wa-"alaykumu-s-salaam and thanks for the welcome back Earthdom
I have responded to the thread via the link you gave.
Thanks and Sincere Peace
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Salam brother ,
Have a look into this , it's worth reading
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603137.0
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603245.0
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603126.0
There is a two e-book about the subject witch i'll tray to send you later .
salaam+ brother
Thank you very much for the links. I saw the subjects of the threads before and always had an intention to study them. I have begun to read and I have seen that fellow member Pazuzu presents some of his arguments very well. However, there are clear explanations why miSr and qibt are related- but knowledge of the Book (al-kitaab) is required to understand this just as knowledge of the Book (al-kitaab) is required to understand the difference between bakkaH and makkaH.
+salaam
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salaam+ brother
However, there are clear explanations why miSr and qibt are related- but knowledge of the Book (al-kitaab) is required to understand this just as knowledge of the Book (al-kitaab) is required to understand the difference between bakkaH and makkaH.
+salaam
Salam.
Can you tell us more about those clear explanations and differences? -
Salam.
Can you tell us more about those clear explanations and differences?salaam respected faruk
Would you be prepared to take a few simple and easy to comprehend lessons to understand the basics of the Book (al-kitaab) to understand the above? I am prepared to give you time for this inshaa ALLAAH if you are willing.
+salaam
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Salam al-amiyr,
Why not? Please go ahead. I'm always ready to learn and understand.
Thank you in advance.
+salaam faruk
I have been in the process of preparing some simple and easy to understand lessons for a quick understanding into the basics of the book (al-kitaab). These simple lessons will all come as independent units explaining some aspect of the Book (al-kitaab) that clarifies a problem or gives an explanation for something in the real world. You can then see for yourself if you have entered the world of The hidden Book (al-kitaabu-l-maknuwn) inshaa ALLAAH.
+salaam
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Post 01
Answering Earthdom's Questions
Introduction
I was banned for seven days for threadizing imitated behaviour which was considered breaking the rules. Since then I have reformed my ways and abandoned the following Golden Rules.
- don't do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you.
and/or - do unto others what you want others to do unto you.
And now I have adopted this survivalist rule.
Do more good unto others than the good they do unto you or expect less from others than what they expect of you.
And then within hours of my abandonement I displayed my new earthly philosophy- based on the gospel of Jesus Christ (D+) which ALLAAH gave him to show the rules of The Kingdom that is to come. And I said,
as-salaamu "alaykum or Peace to all the good brothers and sisters of this forum
I was "dead" meaning cut off from the forum for seven days but I am now "alive" meaning made active again. Henceforth I shall turn the other cheek for the sake of the continuation of the valuable discussions inshaa ALLAAH.
My first step would be to answer all the questions that were asked by the respected members for their complete satisfaction.wa_"alaykumu-s-salaam wa-rahmatu-LLAAHi wa-barakaatuHu or the Peace and the mercy of God and His blessings upon you
The result of this absence resulted in an added agglomeration of questions from fellow members which were left unanswered. One of them being that of fellow member Earthdom.
Wasalaam and welcome back )
My first step would be to answer all the questions that were asked by the respected members for their complete satisfaction.
Yeah don't forget about this http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605683.msg334790#msg334790
If you don't want answer in here then just by PM.Before I study a science then I must know from where and authenticity of that science first.
Peace al-amyr.
Sorry I asking something little rude, but what is the proof if you're the descendant of Nabi Muhammad, Bani Hasyim, Bani Quraish etc??If yes what is your last name??
It's not the first time I met someone who claims if they're descendant of Nabi Muhammad
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Indonesians
Most of Arab Indonesian came from Hadrhami, Yemen and some of them believed to have blood heritage of Nabi from the marriage of Fathimah and Ali Ibn Abi Thalib.
The proof is yes, some of Arab Indonesian (mainly Assegaf, Al Katiri) including my friend claim themself if they're descendant of Muhammad.As the result they get some glorious titles in here such like habib-habaib,sayid,syarif.But I don't know their claim is true or not and my friend often show his pride if he is descentdant of Muhammad.
Peace Earthdom
You are not being rude by asking me this question. Any person making claims must provide verification for those claims. Before I present them I would like to ask this question for the sake of answering more specifically.
"What specific proof do you require? Or should I just continue to go ahead and present everything to verify my claims?Peace
al-amiyrPeace al-amyr
Sorry I didn't notice this post before, but it's okay.
What I want to ask is
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What is your country of origin originally ( I meant not your current country, S.Africa)??
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Is that name with word "Quraish" is your name ( I remember you included it in your post but I forgot which one) ??
There are many people who use the name "Quraish".The example is an Arab-Indonesian, former ministry of religion during the near end of General Suharto's regime.
His name is Muhammad Quraish Shibab, but I don't think he is Quraish descent.-
How you stuck in South Africa, are you new imigrant or oldiest generation??
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What is the proof if you have Quraish tribe lineage??
As you know the Arabs is like Chinese, I mean already scattered throughtout the world including in my country.They including you imigrated because political crisis, economic crisis etc.
Because of this, it's hard to decipher Nabi Muhammad's descendants from the Arabs who already scattered to everywhere.
+salaam Earthdom
I will start answering all your questions within 24 hours inshaa ALLAAH. They are all very simple to answer. I will present them with documents and many historical books tracing our family back to the prophet (S+).
+salaam
I will start posting the proofs within an hour or so inshaa ALLAAH.
+salaam
- don't do unto others what you don't want others to do unto you.
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Post 01
Answering Earthdom's Questions
Peace al-amyr.
Sorry I asking something little rude, but what is the proof if you're the descendant of Nabi Muhammad, Bani Hasyim, Bani Quraish etc??If yes what is your last name??
Peace al-amyr
Sorry I didn't notice this post before, but it's okay.
What I want to ask is
-
What is your country of origin originally ( I meant not your current country, S.Africa)??
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Is that name with word "Quraish" is your name ( I remember you included it in your post but I forgot which one) ??
There are many people who use the name "Quraish".The example is an Arab-Indonesian, former ministry of religion during the near end of General Suharto's regime.
His name is Muhammad Quraish Shibab, but I don't think he is Quraish descent.-
How you stuck in South Africa, are you new imigrant or oldiest generation??
-
What is the proof if you have Quraish tribe lineage??
As you know the Arabs is like Chinese, I mean already scattered throughtout the world including in my country.They including you imigrated because political crisis, economic crisis etc.
Because of this, it's hard to decipher Nabi Muhammad's descendants from the Arabs who already scattered to everywhere.
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Introductionwa "alaykum-us-salaam
My full names and titles are
As-sayyid kamaal-ud-diyn (al-amiyr) muhammad abdullaah abuw bakr zuburi (zobri) bakkah (becket) - Effendi al-Kaabiy al-Khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.
( 1384 - ? ) / ( 1964 - ? )
ibn (son of)
As-sayyid rushd-ud-diyn (al-amiyr) abdullaah abuw bakr - Effendi al-Kaabiy al-Khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.
( 1341 - 1412 ) / ( 1923 - 1992 )
ibn (son of)
As-sayyid 'alaa'-ud-diyn (al-amiyr) muhammad - Effendi al-Kaabiy al-Khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.
( 1286 - 1375 ) / ( 1870 - 1956 )
ibn (son of)
As-sayyid al-bahr-ul-muhaqqaq al-hibr-ul-mudaqqaq shaykh-ul-"ilm shaykh-ul-islaam muftiy al-'arba"-ul-'a'immah (al-amiyr) abdullaah abuw bakr - Effendi al-Khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.
( 1229 - 1297) / ( 1814 - 1880 )
ibn (son of)
As-sayyid aS-Salabiyy (al-amiyr) mullaa "umar - Effendi al-Khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.I will begin by my great grandfather who was the renowned scholar said to be by many the most knowledgeable man alive in his day. A man the rulers of the earth respected. Better known as Abu Bakr Effendi(in English) and Ebubekir Efendi in Turkish. You can read about him on the internet (but most of the knowledge is still in books and manuscripts).
Here is a documentary produced a few years ago by a department of the Turkish Government and a part of it on Youtube. But before watching read the following short introduction why he came to South Africa.
During the last ten years members of The Turkish Government (including Prime Minister Erdogan and Foreign Minister Davutoglu) came to South Africa.One of the first things they requested was to go to the grave of The Shaykh of Knowledge As_sayyid Abdullaah Abu Bakr Effendi al-khushnaawiy al-Qurashiy al-Amjadiy (1814-1880). This was reported in both the South African and Turkish Media.The Shaykh of Knowledge is buried on the world famous Signal Hill that is the abdomen part of a mountain shaped in the form of a crouching lion which lies next to The World Renowned Table Mountain (now voted by humanity and declared a seventh wonder of the world and said to be the most wondrous mountain in the world). The history of The Shaykh of Knowledge, his ancestry and his coming to South Africa has been described by historians and other writers as amazing and crying out to be written. It all started like this when the Muslims of The Colony of The Cape of Good Hope wrote a letter to the Governor as follows.
A unique historical event
On 16 April 1862
The Muslims of The Colony of The Cape of Good Hope
Cape Town
South Africa
wrote a letter to the Governor as follows.
"As it is well known, 85 years ago some of Javenese islands fell into the hands of
The Dutch Government.
Our fathers were all tied up in chains, enslaved and brought here.
We were afflicted with suffering and problems;
the Honourable British Empire set us free from the slavery of the previous government
and gave us our liberty.
For that, we thank the empire for it's help and grace, and in case of necessity,
it is incumbent upon us to sacrifice ourselves for it's cause.
We once again express our thanks and gratitude.
It is obvious that each nation has to know and apply it's religion and way of life and practice.
But
we forgot our language of origin, the language of Javenese,
the books and treatises are all written in that language and therefore
we obviously need a teacher to read and teach them.
Since the situation is like this
it is requested to bring
a scholar-teacher from a Muslim country
in order to teach and train us."16 Shawwaal 1278 (16 April 1862)
Signature
Muslim people
Cape of Good HopeOmar Lutfi " A travelogue of my journey to The Cape of Good hope. p.7.
translated by Yusuf KavakciThe Governor replied to the Muslims that it was not an easy matter for him and it had to be referred to Her Majesty Queen Victoria for Approval. ... The Governor's letter with the petition of the Muslims arrived at Queen Victoria's Government and it was discussed in parliament and recommendations were made. They then sent The letter to The Khalif of The Sunni World Sultan Abdul Aziz and The High Council of Islamic Affairs..................... It was Decided that the best person for the undertaking would be The Shaykh of Knowledge and The Shaykh of Islaam Abu Bakr Effendi(as he is mostly known). On 01 October 1862 The Shaykh of Knowledge left The Ottoman Islamic Khilafat in a ship from Istanbul bound for The Western World (it has been said that it was the first time in history that such an event took place between a Muslim government and a Christian one).
The Shaykh of Knowledge arrived in London on the 15 October 1862 and later at the palace of Queen Victoria where he met Lord Chamberlain who was waiting for his arrival. After spending one and a half months there he left on 01 December 1862 for The Colony of the Cape of Good Hope, Cape Town, South Africa.
The Shaykh of Knowledge arrived in Cape Town in the early morning of the 13th of January 1863 where soon all the prominent Imams of the Muslims came to welcome him. A photograph of the Shaykh with all the prominent Muslims leaders was taken and believed to be the oldest photograph of Muslims in South Africa if not its oldest dated in the country.short Youtube Video of my great grandfather
It is called;
One Man Who Changed The Destiny Of A Nationhttp//www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IziN0pbWDY
Continued in posts to follow with all the details
- 43 generations of men of knowledge serving ALLAAH one generation after the other without interruption up to the prophet(S+)-
inshaa ALLAAH.
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Salaam+ my dear akhi al-amyr
Thank you brother al-amyr for the answers.This will be included to my dictionary in steps for searching the truth.
Even I'm not study Islam in university, but I came from semi-religious family and trained about Islam since child.I start learning Arabic in year 1997-8 and now I have some Islamic literatures in my bedroom's library and I ever join an Islamic organization once time.
So that's why I'm interested to asking question such like this ).Because of this, you don't need to worry to me, I live in a village and know well about adab especially to someone like you (even some my post in here sound rude, but mostly due to my poor english).
Btw my main intention for asking this question is to relating some proofs you bringing in, and maybe to relating in musthalah hadith (science of isnad, rawi and marwi of hadith).And it's have some possibilites if you still related with one of the isnad hmm.
Maybe I'm not login in this forum for some days and maybe weeks due to some duty and I also need researching more about your answer.
Wabillahi taufiq Wal Hidayah Subhanakallahumma wabihamdika asyhadu alla ila ha illa anta astaghfiruka wa atuubu ilaika Wassalamu'alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.
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Salaam+ my dear akhi al-amyr
Thank you brother al-amyr for the answers.This will be included to my dictionary in steps for searching the truth.
Even I'm not study Islam in university, but I came from semi-religious family and trained about Islam since child.I start learning Arabic in year 1997-8 and now I have some Islamic literatures in my bedroom's library and I ever join an Islamic organization once time.
So that's why I'm interested to asking question such like this ).Because of this, you don't need to worry to me, I live in a village and know well about adab especially to someone like you (even some my post in here sound rude, but mostly due to my poor english).
Btw my main intention for asking this question is to relating some proofs you bringing in, and maybe to relating in musthalah hadith (science of isnad, rawi and marwi of hadith).And it's have some possibilites if you still related with one of the isnad hmm.
Maybe I'm not login in this forum for some days and maybe weeks due to some duty and I also need researching more about your answer.
Wabillahi taufiq Wal Hidayah Subhanakallahumma wabihamdika asyhadu alla ila ha illa anta astaghfiruka wa atuubu ilaika Wassalamu'alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh.
wa-"alaykumu-s-salaam wa-rahmatullaaHi wa-barakaatuHu to you too dear akhiy Earthdom
This is a true history of a true family through the ages. We have been hated and killed for nothing other than what we have in our brains and which is the Book (al-kitaab) of ALLAAH. It is not a claim but a fact that we can show anyone on earth who wants to see it. But so many of my forefathers were beheaded by the world powers and some even crucified naked on crosses where their bodies were displayed and their skeletons remained for years. And this is all recorded in history.
In the next post I will give more details inshaa ALLAAH
wa-"alaykumu-salaam wa-rahmatullaaHi wa-barakaatuHu )
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Post 01
Answering Earthdom's Questions
Peace al-amyr.
Sorry I asking something little rude, but what is the proof if you're the descendant of Nabi Muhammad, Bani Hasyim, Bani Quraish etc??If yes what is your last name??
Peace al-amyr
Sorry I didn't notice this post before, but it's okay.
What I want to ask is
-
What is your country of origin originally ( I meant not your current country, S.Africa)??
-
Is that name with word "Quraish" is your name ( I remember you included it in your post but I forgot which one) ??
There are many people who use the name "Quraish".The example is an Arab-Indonesian, former ministry of religion during the near end of General Suharto's regime.
His name is Muhammad Quraish Shibab, but I don't think he is Quraish descent.-
How you stuck in South Africa, are you new imigrant or oldiest generation??
-
What is the proof if you have Quraish tribe lineage??
As you know the Arabs is like Chinese, I mean already scattered throughtout the world including in my country.They including you imigrated because political crisis, economic crisis etc.
Because of this, it's hard to decipher Nabi Muhammad's descendants from the Arabs who already scattered to everywhere.
//llllllllllll/_/
Introductionwa "alaykum-us-salaam
My full names and titles are
As-sayyid kamaal-ud-diyn (al-amiyr) muhammad abdullaah abuw bakr zuburi (zobri) bakkah (becket) - Effendi al-Kaabiy al-Khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.
( 1384 - ? ) / ( 1964 - ? )
ibn (son of)
As-sayyid rushd-ud-diyn (al-amiyr) abdullaah abuw bakr - Effendi al-Kaabiy al-Khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.
( 1341 - 1412 ) / ( 1923 - 1992 )
ibn (son of)
As-sayyid 'alaa'-ud-diyn (al-amiyr) muhammad - Effendi al-Kaabiy al-Khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.
( 1286 - 1375 ) / ( 1870 - 1956 )
ibn (son of)
As-sayyid al-bahr-ul-muhaqqaq al-hibr-ul-mudaqqaq shaykh-ul-"ilm shaykh-ul-islaam muftiy al-'arba"-ul-'a'immah (al-amiyr) abdullaah abuw bakr - Effendi al-Khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.
( 1229 - 1297) / ( 1814 - 1880 )
ibn (son of)
As-sayyid aS-Salabiyy (al-amiyr) mullaa "umar - Effendi al-Khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.I will begin by my great grandfather who was the renowned scholar said to be by many the most knowledgeable man alive in his day. A man the rulers of the earth respected. Better known as Abu Bakr Effendi(in English) and Ebubekir Efendi in Turkish. You can read about him on the internet (but most of the knowledge is still in books and manuscripts).
Here is a documentary produced a few years ago by a department of the Turkish Government and a part of it on Youtube. But before watching read the following short introduction why he came to South Africa.
During the last ten years members of The Turkish Government (including Prime Minister Erdogan and Foreign Minister Davutoglu) came to South Africa.One of the first things they requested was to go to the grave of The Shaykh of Knowledge As_sayyid Abdullaah Abu Bakr Effendi al-khushnaawiy al-Qurashiy al-Amjadiy (1814-1880). This was reported in both the South African and Turkish Media.The Shaykh of Knowledge is buried on the world famous Signal Hill that is the abdomen part of a mountain shaped in the form of a crouching lion which lies next to The World Renowned Table Mountain (now voted by humanity and declared a seventh wonder of the world and said to be the most wondrous mountain in the world). The history of The Shaykh of Knowledge, his ancestry and his coming to South Africa has been described by historians and other writers as amazing and crying out to be written. It all started like this when the Muslims of The Colony of The Cape of Good Hope wrote a letter to the Governor as follows.
A unique historical event
On 16 April 1862
The Muslims of The Colony of The Cape of Good Hope
Cape Town
South Africa
wrote a letter to the Governor as follows.
"As it is well known, 85 years ago some of Javenese islands fell into the hands of
The Dutch Government.
Our fathers were all tied up in chains, enslaved and brought here.
We were afflicted with suffering and problems;
the Honourable British Empire set us free from the slavery of the previous government
and gave us our liberty.
For that, we thank the empire for it's help and grace, and in case of necessity,
it is incumbent upon us to sacrifice ourselves for it's cause.
We once again express our thanks and gratitude.
It is obvious that each nation has to know and apply it's religion and way of life and practice.
But
we forgot our language of origin, the language of Javenese,
the books and treatises are all written in that language and therefore
we obviously need a teacher to read and teach them.
Since the situation is like this
it is requested to bring
a scholar-teacher from a Muslim country
in order to teach and train us."16 Shawwaal 1278 (16 April 1862)
Signature
Muslim people
Cape of Good HopeOmar Lutfi " A travelogue of my journey to The Cape of Good hope. p.7.
translated by Yusuf KavakciThe Governor replied to the Muslims that it was not an easy matter for him and it had to be referred to Her Majesty Queen Victoria for Approval. ... The Governor's letter with the petition of the Muslims arrived at Queen Victoria's Government and it was discussed in parliament and recommendations were made. They then sent The letter to The Khalif of The Sunni World Sultan Abdul Aziz and The High Council of Islamic Affairs..................... It was Decided that the best person for the undertaking would be The Shaykh of Knowledge and The Shaykh of Islaam Abu Bakr Effendi(as he is mostly known). On 01 October 1862 The Shaykh of Knowledge left The Ottoman Islamic Khilafat in a ship from Istanbul bound for The Western World (it has been said that it was the first time in history that such an event took place between a Muslim government and a Christian one).
The Shaykh of Knowledge arrived in London on the 15 October 1862 and later at the palace of Queen Victoria where he met Lord Chamberlain who was waiting for his arrival. After spending one and a half months there he left on 01 December 1862 for The Colony of the Cape of Good Hope, Cape Town, South Africa.
The Shaykh of Knowledge arrived in Cape Town in the early morning of the 13th of January 1863 where soon all the prominent Imams of the Muslims came to welcome him. A photograph of the Shaykh with all the prominent Muslims leaders was taken and believed to be the oldest photograph of Muslims in South Africa if not its oldest dated in the country.short Youtube Video of my great grandfather
It is called;
One Man Who Changed The Destiny Of A Nationhttp//www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IziN0pbWDY
Continued in posts to follow with all the details
- 44 generations of men of knowledge serving ALLAAH one generation after the other without interruption up to the prophet(S+)-
inshaa ALLAAH.
Post 02
Answering Earthdom's Questions
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IntroductionI ended off the initial introductory post with a clip of a Turkish Government Sponsored Documentary about my great grandfather which is titled in Turkish as
A Man Who Changed The Destiny Of A Nation
Here is the clip from Youtube again.http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IziN0pbWDY
My great grand father was;
As-sayyid al-bahr-ul-muhaqqaq al-hibr-ul-mudaqqaq shaykh-ul-"ilm shaykh-ul-islaam muftiy al-'arba"-ul-'a'immah (al-amiyr) abdullaah abuw bakr - effendi al-khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.
( 1229 - 1297) / ( 1814 - 1880 )
ibn (son of)
As-sayyid aS-Salabiyy (al-amiyr) mullaa "umar - effendi al-khushnaawiy al-Haashimiy al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy.
(c.1192 - 1247 ) / ( c.1778 - 1831 )He is better known by his shorter name and title Shaykh Abu bakr Effendi
95% and more of what I am going to present here about my ancestral history would have come from what other historians have written on the matter. I will give all the references and it could all be verified on the internet inshaa allaah. You will be surprised to find that almost the whole history of Islaam is link to our family in one way or the other. Even you are not excepted from this. Whether it is liked, dismissed or not.
I will start by my great grandfather Shaykh Abu bakr Effendi.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Abu Bakr Effendi
The above are extracts from the Wikipedia Article which also contains a few errors. But nevertheless it provides us with the required information to take us to the next step.
"Effendi was from the aristocratic Quraishi family from Mecca. He is a Sayyid, direct descendant of the Prophet Muhammad through Emir Zaid, son of Imam Zayn al-Abidin".Who was Emir Zaid, son of Imam Zayn al-Abidin".
Before presenting a Wikipedia Article let us first put the matter into perspective.The Messenger of ALLAAH (S+) had a beloved cousin named Ali whom he raised as a son. Ali was about ten years when the prophet (S+) received the Divine Revelation. Ali married the prophet's daughter FaaTimah and they had two sons named Hasan and Husayn.
After the prophet's (S+) death Abu bakr (R+) became the Khaliyfah of the Muslims. After he died "Umar became the khaliyfah and then after he was killed "Uthmaan became the Khaliyfah. After "Uthmaan was killed Ali (or"Aliy) became the Khaliyfah of the Muslims.
When Ali became the Khaliyfah many of those who were enemies of the prophet(S+) came back to the fore to oppose Ali. They stood behind Mu'aawiyah the governor of Syria. Mu'aawiyah was the son of Abu Sufyaan, who was in his day the greatest enemy of Islaam and the prophet(S+). Terrible war broke out between the opposing forces and great bloodshed took place among the waring parties.Ali was eventually killed in Iraq where he moved his capital. After him his son Hasan took up the title but for the sake of unity of Muslims stood down and made an agreement with Mu'aawiyah that after his death, his brother Husayn shall succeed to the leadership of the Muslims. At this stage the whole world of Islaam was then in and under the control of the enemies of the Haashimiyyah branch of the Quraysh tribe.
After the death of Mu'aawiyah, his son Yazid took over the leadership of the Muslim world. Though it was called the world of Islaam, it was surely a world that was ruled over by the enemies of his own family - history has surely taken a 360 degree turn.You all probably know about the events of Karbala that followed and how the entire family of the prophet (S+) was killed and their heads cut off and paraded on spears through the cities. That is the story of Husayn. However, young and sickly Ali ibn Husayn ( who became known as Zayn al Abidin ) survived the great tragedy of Karbala and lived in the city of Madina most of his life, where he taught many in secret.
At this stage the Muslims became terribly divided into many groups. The Sunnis and the Shiites emerged out of all these events and conflicts and took their own turn in describing all the historical events occurrences. Both the Sunnis and the Shiites held the main branch of the prophet's (S+) family in high regard. The Sunnis considering them as great Sunni scholars and the Shiites considering them as divinely appointed Imaams.
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2- Hasan ibn Ali - - - - - - - 3- Husayn ibn Ali
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4- Ali ibn Husayn (Zayn al Abidin)
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Muhammad al-Baqir - - - - - -- - -- - - - - Zayd al-Shahiyd
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Jafar al-Sadiq Yahya ibn Zayd - - - - - - - - - - Isa ibn Zayd
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Musa al Kadhim Ahmad ibn Isa
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During his life time Imaam Ali ibn Husayn (Zayn al-Abidin) wrote many beautiful supplications Sahifa Kamila ( called The Psalms of Islaam). After his death his son Amir (Amiyr) Emir) Zayd was the first narrator of it. After the death of Imaam Ali ibn Husayn (Zayn al-Abidin) the leadership of the family went to his eldest son Muhammad al-Baqir. After that Amiyr Zayd took up again the leadership of the Muslim World to overthrow the false government. Here is an article from Wikipedia which is biased in favor of Twelver Shiism.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Zayd ibn Ali
Zayd ibn Al (Arabic , also spelled Zaid; 695-740) was the grandson of Husayn ibn Al, the grandson of Muhammad. Zayd was born in Medina in 695. He is the son of Imam Al ibn Husayn "Zayn al-Abidn". Zayds mother of Sindhi origin named Jayd is said to have been presented to his father by al-Mukhtr, a rebel leader against the Ummayad Caliphate.
Hadith Prophesising his Birth
The prophet once looked at Zayd ibn Harithah, cried, and said "The martyr in the sake of Allah, The crucified of my people, The oppressed from my progeny, his name is thus." Then the prophet pointed at Zayd ibn Harithah and said "Come closer to me, your name became more dear to me because it is the same as my dear child (Zaid.)"
Imam Muhammad al-Baqir narrated "The Holy Prophet put his sacred hand on Husayn bin Ali's back and said 'O Husayn, it will not be long until a man will be born among your descendants. He will be called Zaid; he will be killed as a martyr. On the day of resurrection, he and his companions will enter heaven, setting their feet on the necks of the people.'"
His Imamate
The Zaidis claim that Zaid was the rightful successor to his father, rather than his half-brother Muhammad al-Baqir.
The death of Imam Ali Zayn ul Abidin triggered the struggle for leadership between his two sons, Muhammad al Baqir and Zayd...Zayd rejected the principle of hereditary succession to the imamat, and asserted his own right to it on the ground that he was better qualified for it, because he fulfilled all the necessary conditions for this purpose including the one that the Imam must rise in revolt against the unjust, oppressive rulers.
Abdul Ali in Islamic dynasties of the Arab East state and civilization during the later medieval times
Zayd rebelled against the Umayyad Caliph he felt was unjust. It is here where many parallels with the life of his more famous grandfather, Husayn, begin. Imam Zayd, following the foot steps of his grandfather Husayn, thought that an Imam should fight oppression. Instead of watching the Muslims stay under a ruler he considered oppressive and ignorant (Hisham), he called for many people to follow him and fight.Rafidha desertion of Zaid
Zaidis accounts state the term Rafida was a term used by Zayd ibn Ali on those who rejected him in his last hours for his refusal to condemn the first two Caliphs of the Muslim world, Abu Bakr and Umar. Zayd bitterly scolds the "rejectors" (Rafidha) who deserted him, an appellation used by Sunnis and Zaydis to refer to Twelver Shi'ites to this day.A group of their leaders assembled in his (Zayd's presence) and said "May God have mercy on you! What do you have to say on the matter of Abu Bakr and Umar?" Zayd said, "I have not heard anyone in my family renouncing them both nor saying anything but good about them...when they were entrusted with government they behaved justly with the people and acted according to the Qur'an and the Sunnah"
Contemporaries opinions of Zayd ibn Ali
Zayd was a revered and respected member of the Ahl ul Bayt, the family bloodline of the prophet Muhammad. Scholars, Saints, Sufis and Imams alike, all spoke of him in respectable terms.
Al-Shaykh Al-Mufid the writer of the famous Shi'ah book Kitab al Irshad described him as, "...a devout worshipper, pious, a jurist, God-fearing and brave."
When describing Zayd, Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq said "Among us he was the best read in the Holy Qur'an, and the most knowledgeable about religion, and the most caring towards family and relatives." Hence his title "Ally of the Quran" (Halef Al-Quran)
Zayd's brother Imam Muhammad al-Baqir spoke of him reverentially, "No one of us was born to resemble Ali ibn Abi Taleb more than he did"
Imam Ali ar-Ridha spoke of him respectfully
..he (Zayd bin Ali) was one of the scholars from the Household of Muhammad and got angry for the sake of the Honorable the Exalted God. He fought with the enemies of God until he got killed in His path. My father Musa ibn Ja'far narrated that he had heard his father Ja'far ibn Muhammad say, "May God bless my uncle Zayd...He consulted with me about his uprising and I told him, "O my uncle! Do this if you are pleased with being killed and your corpse being hung up from the gallows in the al-Konasa neighborhood." After Zayd left, As-Sadiq said, "Woe be to those who hear his call but do not help him!".
Imam Ali ar-Ridha
Imam Jafar Sadiq's love for his uncle Zayd ibn Ali was immense. Upon receiving and reading the letter of Zayd ibn Ali's death he broke down and cried uncontrollably, and proclaimed aloudFrom God we are and to Him is our return. I ask God for my reward in this calamity. He was a really good uncle. My uncle was a man for our world and for our Hereafter. I swear by God that my uncle is a martyr just like the martyrs who fought along with Gods Prophet (s) or Ali (s) or Al-Hassan (s) or Al-Hussein(s)
Uyun Akhbar al-Reza- The Source of Traditions on Imam Ali ar-Ridha
Abu Hanifah once said about Imam Zayd, "I met with Zayd and I never saw in his generation a person more knowledgeable, as quick a thinker, or more eloquent than he was."The Sufi scholar, Mujtahid and mystic, Sufyan al-Thawri respected Imam Zayd's knowledge and character, saying "Zayd took the place of Imam Al-HUssain. He was the most versed human concerning Allahs holy book. I affirm women have not given birth to the likes of Zayd..."
The famous ascetic Caliph Umar ibn Abdul Aziz was the then Governor of Madinah during the reign of al-Walid and Suleiman and was also an associate of Zayd ibn Ali. Zayd continued to correspond and advise him when he became khalifah.
It is worth mentioning that he is also the first narrator of the famous as-Sahifah as-Sajj?diyya of Imam Zainul 'Abidin.
Several works of hadith, theology, and Qur'anic exegesis are attributed to him. The first work of Islamic jurisprudence Mujmu'-al-Fiqh is attributed to him. The only surviving hand-written manuscript of this work dating back to at least a thousand years is preserved in the pope's library, Bibliotheca Vaticana in Vatican City under "Vaticani arabi". Photocopies of this rare work are available in several libraries including the Library of the University of Birmingham, UK. In 2007, Sayyid Nafis Shah al-Husayni obtained a copy of this work and re-issued it from Lahore. The Mutazilite school of theology is believed to have adopted many of Zayd's teachings, and therefore followers of the Zaidiyyah sect were initially close to Mu'tazilite school of theology because of their founder Wasil ibn Ata being the student of Zayd, but they later progressed into two very distinct schools of thought.
He was an excellent orator and spent much of his life learning and educating others. It is said of his brother Imam Muhammad al-Baqir wanted to test his brother on the Quranic knowledge, asking him various questions for which he received answers beyond his expectation, causing to him to remark, "For our father and mothers life! You are one of a kind. God grace your mother who gave you birth, she gave birth to a replica of your forefathers!"
Hadith Prophesising his Death
The prophet Muhammad prophesied his death, as narrated by Imam Husayn
"The Holy Prophet put his sacred hand on my back and said 'O Husayn, it will not be long until a man will be born among your descendants. He will be called Zaid; he will be killed as a martyr. On the day of resurrection, he and his companions will enter heaven, setting their feet on the necks of the people.'"
Syed Imam al Husayn
His DeathHistorians of both Shi'is and Sunnis recorded that when Hisham ibn Abd al-Malik became the caliph, he committed many atrocities. With regard to the Bani Hashim, he was particularly cruel. At last, Zayd ibn Ali, well known as a great scholar and a pious theologian, went to see the caliph to seek redress for the grievances of the Bani Hashim. As soon as Zaid arrived, the caliph, instead of greeting him as a direct descendant of the prophet, abused him with such abominable language that it can not be repeated. Because of this disgraceful treatment, Zayd left Syria for Kufa, where he raised an army against the Bani Umayyad. The governor of Kufa, Yusuf ibn 'Umar al-Thaqafi came out with a huge army to face him. Zayd recited the following war poem "Disgraceful life and honourable death both are bitter morsels, but if one of them must be chosen, my choice is honourable death."
Although he fought bravely, Zayd was killed in battle on the 2nd of Safar in 120 or 122 A.H. (740 A.D.) at the age of forty-two by Yusuf ibn 'Amr ath-Thaqafi (the Umayyad governor). His son, Yahya, took his body from the field and buried him away from the city near the river bank, causing the water to flow over it. However, the grave was discovered and, under Yusuf's orders, the body was exhumed, Zayd's head was cut off and sent to Hisham in Syria. In the month of Safar, 121 A.H., Hisham had the sacred body of this descendant of the Prophet placed on the gallows entirely naked. For four years the sacred body remained on the gallows. Thereafter, when Walid Ibn Yazid ibn Abd al-Malik ibn Marwan became caliph in 126 A.H., he ordered that the skeleton be taken down from the gallows, burnt, and the ashes scattered to the wind.
The same man committed a similar atrocity to the body of Yahya ibn Zayd of Gurgan (or Jowzjan), who was martyred in Juzjan and buried in Gurgan. This noble man also opposed the oppression of the Bani Umayyad. He too was martyred on the battlefield. His head was sent to Syria and, as in the case of his revered father, his body was hung on the gallows - for six years. Friend and foe alike wept at the sight. Wali al-din Abu Muslim al-Khurasani, who had risen against the Bani Umayyad on behalf of Bani 'Abbas, took his body down and buried it in Gurgan (or Jowzjan). In Sarakhs however, there is a site of pilgrimage at Miyami.
When a survivor of the initial battle of Zayn bin Ali came to Medina to report the death to his nephew, the Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq he reported the devastation of the Imam upon hearing the news
I went to see Imam As-Sadiq there. I thought I should not tell him about Zayd getting killed since the Imam might get upset. When I saw the Imam, he said, "What did my uncle Zayd do?" I got so upset I could hardly talk. I said, "They killed him." He said, "Did they kill him?"I said, "Yes. By God, they killed him." He (s) asked, "Did they hang his corpse on the gallows?" I said, "Yes. By God, they hung his corpse on the gallows."
The Imam started to cry and his tears were flowing down his face like pearls. Then the Imam said, "O Fudhayl! Were you present there in the battle with the people of Syria along with my uncle?" I said, "Yes." The Imam asked, "How many people did you kill?" I said, "Six of them." The Imam said, "Did you have any doubts about shedding their blood?" I said, "No, I would not have killed them if I had had any doubts." Then I heard the Imam say, "O God! Please give me a share of the reward for this battle! I swear by God that my uncle and his companions were martyrs just like Ali ibn Abi Talib and his companions!"Uyun Akhbar al-Reza- The Source of Traditions on Imam Ali ar-Ridha
That is a little of that history. Just take the essence of the story. The main thing I want to show you is how all these men of the descendants of the prophet(S+) spoke that they have inherited a Book from the prophet(S+) containing the secrets of the Qur'aan and the universe.
Let me give you one some quotations which are also found on other websites.
Imam al-Sadiq (A.S.) I am the son of the Messenger of Allah (S.A.W.). I am aware of
The Book(al_kitaab) of Allah;
the Book in which lies the outset of creation and whatever to be created up to the Resurrection Day,
as well as the information about the heavens, and the earth, paradise and hell, and that of the past and future.
I know these matters as clearly as seeing my palm. Allah says "In it there is the explanation of all things".
Teachings of the Holy Prophet (S.A.W.)Al-Harith ibn al-Mughayrah quoting al-Imam al-Sadiq (A.S.) as saying
Undoubtedly I am aware of what are in heavens, in the earth, paradise, and hell,
as well as of what has been actualized and what is going to be actualized.
The Imam(A.S.), then, paused for a while and,
finding out that this statement sounded a bit too heavy to the audience, continued
I have found all this from The Book(al_kitaab) of Allah, the Almighty,
for Allah says
"In it there is the explanation of all things".Imam al-Baqir(A.S.)
the Holy Prophet(S.A.W.) said to Ali(A.S.)
Write down what I dictate to you.
Ali (A.S.) said O Rasul Allah are you afraid I may forget something?
The Holy Prophet (S.A.W.) replied I am not worried about you forgetting,
I have prayed to the Omnipresence of Allah to strengthen your memory and keep you away from forgetfulness;
write it, however, for your partners. Ali (A.S.) asked Who are my partners O Rasul Allah!?
He replied Those of your sons who are Imams;
it is for their blessings that it rains over my Ummah,
and in the light of their presence the prayer of them is answered;
and Allah fends off calamities from the Ummah for their sake;
and with the blessings of their presence,
Mercy is showered from the heavens;
and he is the first of them,
pointing with his hand to al-Hasan ibn Ali(A.S.), then pointing to al-Husayn(A.S.)
he continued
and his sons who are Imams.Imam al-Sadiq (A.S.)
With us is something with which we have no need of people and it is people who need us.
With us is
a book (kitaab)
which the Messenger of Allah (S.A.W.) has dictated and Ali (A.S.) has written in his own hand writing.
It is
a book (kitaab)
in which every lawful and unlawful is mentioned.Abu al-Jarud quoting al-Imam al-Baqir(A.S.) as saying
when al-Husayn ibn Ali (A.S.) was inflicted with what was supposed to inflict upon him,
he called his eldest daughter, Fatima bint al-Husayn
and gave her a sealed book and an open letter of testament,
and Ali ibn al-Husayn(A.S.) was suffering from such a painful stomach ache
that he was suspected to die.
Fatima bint al-Husayn handed the Book to Ali ibn al-Husayn(A.S.).O Ziyad! I swear by Allah
that this book was transferred to us.
I said May I be sacrificed to you,
what was brought up in this book?
He said I swear to Allah,
whatever the offspring of Adam,
since the time of the creation of Adam to the end of the world, require;
I swear to Allah,
in it are included the penalties,
even the blood money for the slightest scratch.Continued in posts to follow with further details
- 44 generations of men of knowledge serving ALLAAH one generation after the other without interruption up to the prophet(S+)-
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The prophet Muhammad prophesied his death, as narrated by Imam Husayn
? "The Holy Prophet put his sacred hand on my back and said 'O Husayn, it will not be long until a man will be born among your descendants. He will be called Zaid; he will be killed as a martyr. On the day of resurrection, he and his companions will enter heaven, setting their feet on the necks of the people.'" ?
?Syed Imam al Husayn
His DeathPeace Brother,
Everyone make mistakes and me too. Sorry if I am wrong.
But As Per God If You one is Muslim the highest Level 6835 Then will We treat the Muslims like the criminals?
he or she no need to suffer.
Either Allah is wrong in his statement as per you. But Allah never be wrong. If he is wrong he can not be Al mighty.Like Prophet Esa all above said Names in the History could have been promoted and elevated directly by Allah
instead of Suffering at men's hands.All these I could not find in Quran. But see as Per Quran, we should not read any other Hadith other than Allah's Quran.
Its Allah's warning. What is your opinion. In Quran there is no sentimental stories.