Can't we mention any God's messenger in our salat?

[Scribbler]

Dear readers,

May peace be upon you all.

After going through many of the threads of this forum, I've learnt that people regularly assert that we cannot mention prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in our salat because salat is only for God according to the following verses

6162
Say, My prayer and my sacrifice and my life and my death are all for God, the Lord of the worlds.

2014
I am God. There is no deity save Me; so worship Me alone, and say your prayers in My remembrance.

With respect, I don't agree with this understanding, although I follow the Quran alone.

Hardly anyone would argue that we cannot recite verses from the Quran in our salat. Therefore, what if I recite this verse

O our Lord! cover (us) with Thy forgiveness - me, my parents, and (all) believers, on the Day that the Reckoning will be established! (1441)

If I recite the above Quranic prayer in my salat (there are many other Quranic prayers like this), then I'm clearly mentioning about myself, my parents, and other believers. So does this mean I'm violating 6162 and 2014? I don't think so.

Therefore, the verses (6162, 2014) are not enough evidence to conclude that if anyone mentions prophet Muhammad or prophet Jesus or any other prophet or messenger (pbut) in their salat, then the person is going against the Quran, or that the person is setting up a partner beside Allah.

Please share your thoughts whether you agree or disagree with my understanding.

[Bender]

Dear readers,

May peace be upon you all.

After going through many of the threads of this forum, I've learnt that people regularly assert that we cannot mention prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in our salat because salat is only for God according to the following verses

6162
Say, My prayer and my sacrifice and my life and my death are all for God, the Lord of the worlds.

2014
I am God. There is no deity save Me; so worship Me alone, and say your prayers in My remembrance.

With respect, I don't agree with this understanding, although I follow the Quran alone.

Hardly anyone would argue that we cannot recite verses from the Quran in our salat. Therefore, what if I recite this verse

O our Lord! cover (us) with Thy forgiveness - me, my parents, and (all) believers, on the Day that the Reckoning will be established! (1441)

If I recite the above Quranic prayer in my salat (there are many other Quranic prayers like this), then I'm clearly mentioning about myself, my parents, and other believers. So does this mean I'm violating 6162 and 2014? I don't think so.

Therefore, the verses (6162, 2014) are not enough evidence to conclude that if anyone mentions prophet Muhammad or prophet Jesus or any other prophet or messenger (pbut) in their salat, then the person is going against the Quran, or that the person is setting up a partner beside Allah.

Please share your thoughts whether you agree or disagree with my understanding.

Salaam,

I think, one should make a clear destinction between prayer and sallaat.
As per my current understanding a prayer is always a sallaat but a sallaat does not have to be a prayer.
I understand sallaat as something like "commitment". There are a lot of different "commitments" and prayer is one of them.
InshaAllah if you can see this destinction then veses like 95 and 911 will be more clear for you.

RED There are verses in The Quran that you can use for your prayer, I think the verses which begin with "Rabbi" or "Rabbana" are nice verses for ones prayer IF he/she knows what he/she is asking Allah. Just reciting them without knowing what you are saying is pointless.
And I think there are verses that one can never use in his prayer 2014 is an example of such a verse.

I do not understand from where people got the understanding that we can not mention others in our prayer? I did not find any Quranic evidence for this.
I think this misunderstanding is a result of misunderstanding the verses of The Quran.
We call on NO ONE else besides Allah in our prayer, simply because other "gods" will never hear you or bring you any benifit or harm you, please take a look at these verse

2671 They said "We worship statues; thus we stay devoted to them."
2672 He said "Do they hear you when you call to them?"
2673 "Or do they benefit you or harm you?"
2674 They said "No, but we found our fathers doing the same."
2675 He said "Do you see that which you have been worshipping."
2676 "You and your fathers of old."
2677 "They are enemies to me, except for the Lord of the worlds."

a little bit later Ibrahim has this prayer

2683 "My Lord, grant me authority and join me with the good doers."
2684 "And give me a tongue that is true for those who will follow."
2685 "And make me of the inheritors of gardens of bliss."
2686 "And forgive my father, for he was of those misguided."
2687 "And do not disgrace me on the Day when they are resurrected."

As you can see, he is calling ONLY Allah in his prayer but he mentions also others in his prayer.

Wrong would be to say this "My Lord and Mohammed, grant me authority..."

Salaam,
Bender

[nonplus]

I think we need to examine the purpose first.

Why do you feel the need to mention anyone else?

[mmkhan]

Salaam,

I think, one should make a clear destinction between prayer and sallaat.
As per my current understanding a prayer is always a sallaat but a sallaat does not have to be a prayer.
I understand sallaat as something like "commitment". There are a lot of different "commitments" and prayer is one of them.
InshaAllah if you can see this destinction then veses like 95 and 911 will be more clear for you.

RED There are verses in The Quran that you can use for your prayer, I think the verses which begin with "Rabbi" or "Rabbana" are nice verses for ones prayer IF he/she knows what he/she is asking Allah. Just reciting them without knowing what you are saying is pointless.
And I think there are verses that one can never use in his prayer 2014 is an example of such a verse.

I do not understand from where people got the understanding that we can not mention others in our prayer? I did not find any Quranic evidence for this.
I think this misunderstanding is a result of misunderstanding the verses of The Quran.
We call on NO ONE else besides Allah in our prayer, simply because other "gods" will never hear you or bring you any benifit or harm you, please take a look at these verse

2671 They said "We worship statues; thus we stay devoted to them."
2672 He said "Do they hear you when you call to them?"
2673 "Or do they benefit you or harm you?"
2674 They said "No, but we found our fathers doing the same."
2675 He said "Do you see that which you have been worshipping."
2676 "You and your fathers of old."
2677 "They are enemies to me, except for the Lord of the worlds."

a little bit later Ibrahim has this prayer

2683 "My Lord, grant me authority and join me with the good doers."
2684 "And give me a tongue that is true for those who will follow."
2685 "And make me of the inheritors of gardens of bliss."
2686 "And forgive my father, for he was of those misguided."
2687 "And do not disgrace me on the Day when they are resurrected."

As you can see, he is calling ONLY Allah in his prayer but he mentions also others in his prayer.

Wrong would be to say this "My Lord and Mohammed, grant me authority..."

Salaam,
Bender

Salaam,

I agree with Bender on what he wrote. handshake

A question for Scribbler
How do you want to use any messenger's name in your Salaat? Please give me few examples.

May Allah bless you pr
mmKhan

[Jafar]

Dear readers,

May peace be upon you all.

After going through many of the threads of this forum, I've learnt that people regularly assert that we cannot mention prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in our salat because salat is only for God according to the following verses

What's being said or not said in a communication between you and your maker (or your 'father' using Jesus lingo).
Is your own business.
If you feel good mentioning some names, any names.. go ahead..

Salam / Peace

[Man_of_Faith]

Fare thee well,

It is perfectly okay to mention names in prayers if they are not part of belief that the mentioned people are superior and rather part of a supplication in the prayer, ie free speak after some glorification. But for any prayer "ritual" or direct prayer element I deem it inappropriate to mention any other names than God's and there is no reason for it either.

God alone is the goal of the religion and we should keep it that way. God is our master and Him do we seek for help and guidance.

God bless you

[Zulf]

I think we need to examine the purpose first.

Why do you feel the need to mention anyone else?

bravo

[Bender]

Salaam,

I agree with Bender on what he wrote. handshake

May Allah bless you pr
mmKhan

Salaamun alayka bro,

yes me too handshake

salaam,
Bender

[Scribbler]

Salamun Alaikum, everyone.

Thanks for your replies.

Salaam,

I agree with Bender on what he wrote. handshake

A question for Scribbler
How do you want to use any messenger's name in your Salaat? Please give me few examples.

May Allah bless you pr
mmKhan

Brother mmkhan,

Maybe I can pray to God in my salat to guide me or keep me guided to the creed of prophet Abraham (pbuh), which was also followed by prophet Muhammad (pbuh) according to 16123. So here I?m mentioning Abraham and Muhammad (pbut).

Please note the following verses

37108-111
And We left for him among generations (to come) in later times "Peace be upon Abraham!". Thus indeed do We reward those who do right. Indeed, he was one of Our believing Servants.

37078-80
And We left for him among generations (to come) in later times Peace be upon Noah! among the worlds. Thus indeed do We reward those who do right. Indeed, he was one of Our believing Servants.

37119-122
And We left for both of them among generations (to come) in later times "Peace be upon Moses and Aaron!". Thus indeed do We reward those who do right. Indeed, both of them (were) of Our believing Servants.

37129-132
And We left for him among generations (to come) in later times "Peace be upon Elias!". Thus indeed do We reward those who do right. Indeed, he was one of Our believing Servants.

37181
And Peace be upon the messengers!

So according to the above verses, I can send the salutation of peace upon the prophets and messengers of Allah in their remembrance and out of love and emotion without making any distinction between them, who worked really hard and strove in the path of God, and who went through many problems and difficulties in their lives.

So these are some of the examples.

[Mazhar]

So according to the above verses, I can send the salutation of peace upon the prophets and messengers of Allah in their remembrance and out of love and emotion without making any distinction between them, who worked really hard and strove in the path of God, and who went through many problems and difficulties in their lives.

So these are some of the examples.

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Indeed those people who keep refusing to accept Allah the Exalted and His Messengers;

And indeed those people who intend that they might create a middle path partitioned between that of Allah the Exalted and His Messengers *;

And indeed those people who say "We believe in some part of revelation and we refuse to accept some of it", while they intend that they might self adopt a path in between it.

These three types of people are truly those who are the established and proven non believers.

Know it; We have prepared a humbling chastisement, one of humiliation for persistently denying people.

Grammatical parsing and translation4150-151

[Scribbler]

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Indeed those people who keep refusing to accept Allah the Exalted and His Messengers;

And indeed those people who intend that they might create a middle path partitioned between that of Allah the Exalted and His Messengers *;

And indeed those people who say "We believe in some part of revelation and we refuse to accept some of it", while they intend that they might self adopt a path in between it.

These three types of people are truly those who are the established and proven non believers.

Know it; We have prepared a humbling chastisement, one of humiliation for persistently denying people.

Grammatical parsing and translation4150-151

Dear brother Mazhar,

Peace.

What's your point?

[Bender]

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Indeed those people who keep refusing to accept Allah the Exalted and His Messengers;

And indeed those people who intend that they might create a middle path partitioned between that of Allah the Exalted and His Messengers *;

And indeed those people who say "We believe in some part of revelation and we refuse to accept some of it", while they intend that they might self adopt a path in between it.

These three types of people are truly those who are the established and proven non believers.

Know it; We have prepared a humbling chastisement, one of humiliation for persistently denying people.

Grammatical parsing and translation4150-151

salaam,

And what exactly has this to do with praying?

salaam,
Bender

[Mazhar]

Dear brother Mazhar,

Peace.

What's your point?

Salamun alaika,

To augment your quote.

Today, believing in Allah alone will lead a person to nowhere. Beleiving in the Messengers is as essential as believing in Allah the Exalted.

Reverence and affection for Allah and the elevated Messenger of Him the Exalted above everything else is the requirement .

[sword_of_tashayyu]

Another manifestation of Wahabia ideology, shirk,shirk,shirk and Tawheed

Let me ask you, when you recite a verse in the Quran, if you come across the names of the Prophet, is that shirk? O

[diamantinehoneybunch]

Another manifestation of Wahabia ideology, shirk,shirk,shirk and Tawheed

Let me ask you, when you recite a verse in the Quran, if you come across the names of the Prophet, is that shirk? O

Peace.

You seem like you have no idea what Wahhabism is.

Wahhabism is
Sexism
Misogyny
Intolerance
Violence
Belief in Mahdi, Jesus 2nd coming, intercession from Muhammad

We God-alone muslims are true monotheists.

[hafeez_kazi]

Peace all

You seem like you have no idea what Wahhabism is.

Wahhabism is
Sexism
Misogyny
Intolerance
Violence
Belief in Mahdi, Jesus 2nd coming, intercession from Muhammad

We God-alone muslims are true monotheists.

True definition of Wahaibism brickwall

[Man_of_Faith]

Salaam,

Belief in God is sufficient. Add belief in eternal existence and lead a good life and there is nothing more to worry about.

There is no reverence for any prophet, a human messenger serving God. Why affection?

If you believe in the Message you confirm that you believe in the messengers. Nothing more to do.

God bless you

[sword_of_tashayyu]

Let me ask you, when you recite a verse in the Quran, if you come across the names of the Prophet, is that shirk? O

Answer my question. You guys have absolutely no understanding of the word tawheed

[Man_of_Faith]

Salaam,

No. Reading anyone's name from Quran is not shirk. Depending on how you mention a prophet's name in a dua it is not shirk either. It all comes down to your intentions. If you start calling ordinary humans infallible and treat them as masters then it starts to lean towards shirk though.

God bless you

[diamantinehoneybunch]

Answer my question. You guys have absolutely no understanding of the word tawheed

Coming across people's name in the Qur'an is of course NOT shirk.

But GLORIFYING other than GOD is shirk.

No understanding of tawheed? So according to YOU, tawheed is idolatry?

Please stop posting off-topic posts.