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Worship Allah and not the Quran

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    scarface2890
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    illuminati made arabic dictionary

    there no god but allah all i know allah is not god get it

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      Abdun_Nur
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      Peace,

      Moses is a Jewish fiction, as is all the Jewish religious fantasy labelled the bible, old or new, that vile religion has contaminated billions of minds with its worthless nonsense and continues to do so, robbing souls of any truth, removing reason and instilling, dogma, indoctrination and immorality. I was forced to comment when i saw religious cock and bull being exchanged as if it was any semblance of truth, the Torah/bible was a fiction originally and the new addition was a fiction added to make slaves of the stupid, turned from a covenant (a formal agreement of legal validity, very un-Islamic) into a testament (last will disposing of property," from Latin testamentum - a will, publication of a will will means to wish) from a legal agreement (harmonize in opinion ) into a legal wish (to want; desire; long for), it has caused so much misery, ignorance and death, don't insult the victims of that genocidal belief system by perpetuating the stench of Jewish fantasy and bullshit.

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        Man_of_Faith
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        Abdun Nur,

        I take it you do not believe in Quran either then, seeing the common interpretation of it acknowledges Moses (Musa) as a person.

        Even my interpretation acknowledges Musa as a person who brought knowledge to man in terms of an instruction, a decree. However, I can agree much of what has been told about him is a lie, e.g. he did not kill a man but tried to convince people of his prophethood, but failed and had to flee.

        Judaism was corrupted gradually over time between 2000-3000 years ago due to religious scholars, but it was once something else than what it is today, and even 1500 year ago.

        Originally Judaism was not a religion or sect but the word Yahod (Jew) stands for someone who has realized the path or way, they have it before them, it is an identification tag based on their condition. Just as intended, a person who has realized the truth concerning their existence does abstain from the world according to the law of Musa, because they know satan goes through the points made in it.

        Later Jews made it into a Pagan cult, one too absorbed with a deity that they even circumvented the old decree for the sake of pleasing that deity as was showed in a comment by Eysua/Isa/Jesus when saying "Do you forsake the decree for the sake of your traditions?"

        Be well
        Qarael Amenuel

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          Abdun_Nur
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          peace,

          the religious invention moses is not mentioned within the qur'an, it is misinterprested in the translations, but that does not make it a reality.

          Judaism was a corruption from the outset, as all religions are.

          The English word Jew from Middle English Gyw, Iewe. These terms derive from Old French giu, earlier juieu, which had elided (dropped) the letter "d" from the Medieval Latin Iudaeus, which, like the New Testament Greek term Ioudaios, meant both Jews and Judeans / "of Judea". The Greek term was originally a loan from Aramaic Y'hdi, corresponding to Hebrew , Yehudi (sg.); , Yehudim (pl.), in origin the term for a member of the tribe of Judah.

          Moses is a proven myth, no evidence exists to support the fantasy. http//www.stellarhousepublishing.com/didmosesexistreview.html

          "Moses is myth historicised, not history mythologised. The captivity in Egypt, the mass flight of the Jewish people, the plagues, the crossing of the Red Sea, the 40 years in the Sinai Peninsula, the Jewish conquest of the Promised Land - none of these fabled events actually occurred."

          Just like hadith which are a list of do's and don't's prophets, messenger, gurus, saints, or whatever crutch is invested in are used to remove reasoning, and conclusion to correct action. A child mind will seek an authority to dictate upon them, as they do not feel capable or adept enough within themselves to make decisions; the soulless (psychopathic) will dominate souls that seek the authority of others, if souls don?t wish to reason for themselves and remain locked in the child mind, if they simply desire to know only lies, if they don?t want the truth to be explicit or implicit, this allows the soulless to work at both ends of the dichotomy of any subject, they go to the extreme ends while the truth is in the middle. So for example they created myriad religions in the past, and many of these religions are still suffered, religion is a hierarchy designed to subjugate consciousness to the will of those in control of the hierarchy of that religion, a small amount of truth is mixed into religion to make it seem truthful.

          The abhorrent Jedidiah, who you would know as Solomon, was king of the Jews, the Jews at that time were a small band of soulless psychopaths that roamed the deserts of the middle east, Jedidiah built a temple to Melech, Jedidiah was the master of the soulless (psychopaths referenced as jinn people with a hidden nature) of his age, allied with the Moabites, Canaanites, Phoenicians, and Ammonites, and all worshippers of Melech, and the horrors of soulless excess were indulged and the authority of hierarchy established; almost 3000 years have cycled and the idolatry remains ever stronger.

          I will add jesus is also never mentioned within the Qur'an, and is equally fictional.

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            Man_of_Faith
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            Denial is fascinating. Because one does not understand and believe what fools wish one to believe in.

            Jew is a language distortion of Yehed and it is from the Semitic/Arabic root Hudan which means a way or a path ahead (see guidance). As I wrote in the previous post, if one designates themselves as Jew or Yehood, it means they have grasped about the illusion of this world and seek a way out.

            Musa in reality is however much different from the religious invention Musa or Moses and Musa taught a very different approach to life than what religious people are used to.

            It was already believed among the people of Mesr that things were about spiritual ascension, but they attributed success with physical might, i.e. Pharaoh was the person in communion with the 'High Community. Because that is not so, the 'High Community' sent Musa as an example that "the one who is like is like" or more simplified "is who is" or "Ellah". More specifically, the one who behaves like God has God's spirit in him/her and Musa also showed that what prevents a person to be beyond the lowly nature of man are certain parameters which came to be called the Ten Commandments. Those Commandments are there to be able to fight the instinct of man, also called Satan. That is a personal venture.

            And if that was true, then obviously Pharaoh had nothing to do with God, he was just another loser, lost to this world and its vanity.

            And the Ten Commandments are there for another reason than what Pagans believe, i.e. to obey a vain god to show how much one worships him. They are there to know what behavior to avoid and if the law would happen to say to not kill/defeat then what you actually should do is not even being angry with anyone nor wanting to win against them. And if it says do not commit adultery, what you should do is to avoid sexual arousal at all.

            Be well
            Qarael Amenuel

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              Man_of_Faith
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              The pyramids were built as beacons, once upon a day there would be a strong concentration of light and so in preparation for that day they preserved the body of the deceased Pharaoh (mummification) and he waited for the light to awaken him again. It was a belief in the resurrection. That day there would be a penetrating light resurrecting those who had died. The channeling of light to the burial chamber is due to that reason.

              Bad for him it does not work that way. All he did throughout his life determined where he ended up afterwards, no matter if he was buried or not, they could just have burned his body and spread the ashes to help the crop grow better. He is not waiting in his grave for resurrection, his body is just a decaying empty shell.

              The phenomenon concerning Jesus' revival follows Egyptian beliefs, he was buried in a cave and awoke from there while there was a strong light. Exactly that way the Egyptian resurrection would occur. The power of that light even removed the stone attempting to block the light in their story.

              The people in the stories of Gospels believed almost the same as the ancient Egyptians, but also the Persians used to bury their kings (shahansha or king of kings) in caves suspiciously and they were worked on in order for the corpse to remain for a long time.

              Their beliefs were quite primitive.

              Be well
              Qarael Amenuel

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                Man_of_Faith
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                Even today many of you religious people think that you should bury a person in a grave, somewhat following ancient traditions. This is not the Abrahamic faith you claim to follow. The one who follows father Abraham knows the soul and spirit of the person immediately leaves the body upon the death of the body, but does not impossibly return to the body as we have seen with "miraculous" awakenings in a clinically dead person. The body can then be burned and money saved instead of wasting it on a coffin, a remnant from the sarcophagus.

                When a body has released its spirit permanently it is nothing there of the person anymore, just an empty shell. The person will not be resurrected in it ever again and not at that location.

                Be well
                Qarael Amenuel

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                  Abdun_Nur
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                  Religion is a powerful force of cognitive dissonance "man of faith" you suffer a very dominant mental case of dissonance, and to waste any time on any debate with such a mind is completely pointless, I'll leave you to your delusion, confusions and self deceptions, peace.

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                    Cerberus
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                    cough Love is the only weapon a soul should use pre-emptively.cough

                    Speaking of dissonance rotfl

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                      Man_of_Faith
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                      Religion is a powerful force of cognitive dissonance "man of faith" you suffer a very dominant mental case of dissonance, and to waste any time on any debate with such a mind is completely pointless, I'll leave you to your delusion, confusions and self deceptions, peace.

                      Exactly what is it that makes be delusional? Because I with logic try to reason with religious minds?

                      On my forum, you did not even try to read what I wrote and you just rambled what I wrote in a different way and we basically said the same thing. So the question is who is the deluded one.

                      All I have said is that the spirit in the soul is truly powerful and has great potential and I try to make people take measures in benefiting from that potential. What is delusional about that?

                      Be well
                      Qarael Amenuel

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                        Man_of_Faith
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                        cough Love is the only weapon a soul should use pre-emptively.cough

                        Speaking of dissonance rotfl

                        Love is understanding of various cases, it can also be translated into empathy, that is the best love.

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                          Abdun_Nur
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                          If you had reason "man of faith" you would not have faith, as faith is belief free of reason.

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                            Man_of_Faith
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                            Just like hadith which are a list of do's and don't's prophets, messenger, gurus, saints, or whatever crutch is invested in are used to remove reasoning, and conclusion to correct action

                            You are clearly wrong regarding the Ten Directives which Moses become knowledgeable of. They are not there to remove reasoning but quite the opposite, they were there to be ambiguous lines to reflect upon their origin. And because you do not even care to read what I have to say, you have also not seen me elaborating upon why these directives were ever compiled. The Directives are equal to a remedy in RESISTING THE HUMAN INSTINCT (aka Satan) which is something which absorbs a person into taking active and vain participation in this world, it is like losing the mind to the ventures of the world.

                            You are right in saying religious scholars invented religions around the world which mislead people, but that does not say there were wise persons who found some answers to our existence in past times but also modern times. Abraham, whoever he was I do not care about = no idolization, he discovered that the way was about being sane/sound concerning everything in life, and he was the beginning of a foundation of knowledge. Moses, I also do not care about who he was = no idolization, he expanded upon the be sound philosophy and found out Ten Parameters which lead to unsoundness, i.e. the ten commandments you know about. And Jesus, no idolization of the man, he elaborated upon the nature of these parameters causing spiritual decay and also showed someone upholding them perfectly with a pristine spirit, showing absolutely strong willpower and portrayed what happens to a man who truly manages to separate from the worldly. That is the truth behind the Abrahamic legacy if we remove religious bias.

                            Be well
                            Qarael Amenuel

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                              Man_of_Faith
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                              If you had reason "man of faith" you would not have faith, as faith is belief free of reason.

                              Additionally, the name "Man of Faith" is taken several years ago and I would perhaps not have taken it today because of ***** like you taking advantage of linguistics to deride things.

                              I have said to you twice or thrice FAITH IS CONFIDENCE IN SOMETHING. IT CAN MEAN TO BELIEVE IN SOMETHING, BUT IT IS NOT THE ONLY CONNOTATION. SO MAN OF FAITH MEANS "MAN OF CONFIDENCE" AND IT WAS A SLIGHTLY DISTORTED TRANSLATION OF MY NAME AMENUEL ORIGINALLY INTO ENGLISH.

                              People who know me, know I have a very strong confidence and therefore I am also often called arrogant. But I have a strong sense of reasoning, so I always evaluate everything using logic. Logic is the main component when looking at things.

                              Be well
                              Qarael Amenuel

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                                good_logic
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                                GOD has created humans ,humans are recreating themselves as "class/categories".

                                Some are "very logical" and clever,some are "clever" not so much logical,some are just "logical" some are "deluded",some are easily led,some are "I know but others have not got a clue",some are....OK endless types!!!!

                                Now what is the true classification? Who is better than the other? Where does the "ego" come into the mix? What is the difference between claiming to work for the soul when one actually works for the "Ego"?...So many questions to ponder for all of us.

                                So ,you have got the truth? What next? Ram it down the throats? shine it kindly? Use it for yourself? Brag with it?Fight with it?Rule with it?...The choices are endless.

                                I have no doubt,my best guess, the first conversation between two humans started with one of them claiming to have the "truth". "I worked it out " that human claimed "I use my "logic/brain/cleverness/good faculties...etc" he adds....The other one "argues" back,,even if it was for the sake of arguing,never the less,he argued...And so on.

                                We continue where others left,we move on regardless of where we are "forcibly taken" by GOD or nature or nothing ...or endless of claims...

                                GOD bless the human race.
                                Peace.

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                                  Man_of_Faith
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                                  We have that potential for intelligence because we where created with such a soul power attached. Our soul is like a seed.

                                  Be well
                                  Qarael Amenuel

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                                    We have that potential for intelligence because we where created with such a soul power attached. Our soul is like a seed.

                                    Be well
                                    Qarael Amenuel

                                    Which of the Quran's Classical Arabic words do you regard as soul in the context you are referring to?
                                    Is it nafs or ruh?

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                                      scarface2890
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                                      there no faith or belief in quran

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                                        amin
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                                        The word "Faith" is originally accepting what's ordained.
                                        And the word "Belief" is following some thing we do not understand without questions, like a child following its parents. Quran do not recommend blind belief but as i think its recommending following in the path of universal goodness and by following that we learn from ITS guidance.

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                                          scarface2890
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                                          there no prophet in quran

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