Definition of Sin?

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Oh, God! What has happened to my thread! brickwall

[Student_of_Allah]

Shalom Aleikhem,

Calm down a little Student of Allah Nothing instead of call me names.

I don't know what that sentence even means. In any case, if you are referring to "name calling", I think I have done you justice by explaining why a certain negative word describes you the best. That is why I have gone to great lengths while responding to your post.

I don't know why everytime theists criticize atheists who either don't know or don't give a damn why they are created and the purpose of their lives, they get angry as > . I have found one on YouTube.

I don't know such atheists. There can be some, but I just don't know them and I don't even see why that is relevant. Let me give you a hint, what if it's the case that when an atheist presents a case with full details and you just run away calling the atheist names or something, refusing to address the argument made, it frustrates them. For example ( you can click on them)

• Student of Allah Expresses opinion on the matter of link between theism/atheism and intelligence.
• You Personal attack by demonizing the atheists, equating the atheist with Hitler.
• You again Attributing lies to me, Calling me this and that without asking me first if I am that what you think I am.
• Student of Allah Explaining what this atheist believes in and where you went wrong in detail.
• You Totally ignores the central point and does not even care to apologize for attributing falsehood and spreading evidently wrong ideas about atheism. Ends the response with a threat of ultimate consequence on judgement day.
• Student of Allah Asks you to present your case for God to see if this atheist can accept it. For mutual benefit. Also ensures that this atheist will explore your evidence/proof/case on a purely intellectual level and won't try to intimidate you with threats unlike you.
  -You Instead of putting your money where your mouth is, you say "Typical atheist response" and wave a verse from scripture as if that is supposed to argue on your behalf or explain to me where I went wrong. Unfortunately, you don't stop there, when another member asks you to put your money where your mouth is, you don't do that. Instead you choose to start your personal attacks trying to dehumanize atheists further by talking nonsense about them.

You see now? That can be frustrating. Now if this is how you have been doing your "dawah" to atheists/youtube atheists, I can see why you manage to make them angry.

Sorry for my mistake for constructing sentence. It should have been "atheists don't believe in sin. Hence they don't think that 'doing it' outside of marriage is wrong because 'doing it' is not a type homicide and they mutually agree to do it."
I think you misunderstood the reason I wrote that. I just stated that there are atheists who do good deeds. Why are you so angry with that?

Well, in that case it was your mistake. Your mistake made it look like you were discrediting the good works. Now that you have clarified and stated that that was a "mistake" in your sentence construction, there is no use talking about this anymore.

I just stated that atheists who commit crimes don't think they are sinning.
What is your problem with that?

You are not in a forum where you are discussing things with 5 year olds. At least I am not a 5 year old. Don't even pretend for a second that you used that person(Joseph Stalin) to mean "just an atheist". You clearly used him to equate his evil traits directly with atheism. Don't drag this any further as this will only further embarrass you. Don't try to pretend like you just wanted to use him as an example of a random nobody.

Just keep being arrogant.

And you do nothing wrong to provoke an angry response from atheists, right?

You sound like a Sunni who says "We must follow the Sunna because we have to obey the Messenger etc" angrily and furiously and then educate me hadiths.

A Sunni like that demands that you accept their supernatural and ordinary theistic claims based on little to no evidence and not be critical. When you make personal attacks and attribute falsehood to me and spread evidently wrong ideas about atheists in general, I think I can be a bit frustrated. That is natural. I have never used my anger/frustration as my argument. I always explain why I think something you said is right/wrong in detail instead of simply saying things like

Just keep being arrogant.

That's not me who created that meme. I found on Google image search result.
I never say that Big Bang is this, Big Bang is that.

I didn't think you made that meme. However, you don't have to make it. You used it here. That's not only condoning, you literally used it as a form of response. If I copy paste an offensive statement about your mom from someplace on the internet, will you let me get away by saying "I am not the author of that, I found that on Google/Blogger/site/etc"? Since you used it, you are accountable for the contents too.

Thanks for you free education. I don't have to spend $100 000 to learn Big Bang at university. You did not refute my statement on Big Bang but you just refute the person who created that meme.

Whatever I said above plus You made no statements on Big Bang minus the one inferred by that meme. Oh, and if you do have a refutation of the Big Bang model, please feel free to publish that and get your Nobel Prize.

Don't get angry at me. Go hunt the person who created that meme. I just found on Google image search result. That's why in my avatar, I used the word 'automatically' instead of 'magically' because automatically is scientific.

Makes no difference given that you used that meme as a response here, not your avatar. And, even in your avatar, the first sentence is out right wrong as I've explained. Atheism is not a belief in nothing, it is merely the rejection of the theistic claim that there is a God.

It is not me who created that Patrick meme.
It is not me who created that meme.

Let this be a learning experience for you. From now on, unless you mean something, do not copy paste it as a response to others. Do you realize how intellectually dishonest it is to do that? Can we ever have a dialogue if people say things to make fun of others and when challenged they refuse to be accountable for what they said? This is not healthy for your mind or reputation. This will make it difficult for others to take you seriously.

But atheists who simply reject God but believe in ghosts and other supertitions are just weak atheists. Strong atheists like you are pure strong materialists.

Doesn't matter if they accept some other claim. As long as they refuse to accept the theistic claim that there is a God, they are atheists. I have explained to you before and in detail that I am not into philosophical naturalism. May be methodological naturalism. Let me put it this way. I do not claim that there are no supernatural things. I just don't include it in my world view "at the moment" because I have no evidence for their existence. I have to be honest, I can not bare false witness. When I have no evidence for the supernatural dimension, why will I assume it exists? If it was the case that you have demonstrated to me that supernatural things/beings do exist, in that case I'd be a fool to not believe. But the time to believe is after you submit your evidence, not before.

Oh yes, you are really smart, intelligent, genius, brilliant, clever, superb, awesome whilst all theistic people who believe in a Creator including the peaceful Quran-aloners are dumb, stupid, superstitious, ignorant, especially me for criticizing you until I make you angry and furious.

No, not all theists are all the negative things you've said they are. By the way, I am not frustrated at you for criticizing me. How is that ever possible when you never criticized me? Spewing lies and false demonizing things about atheists in general over and over again is by no definition "criticism".

I didn't take pride. I just feel annoyed by arrogant hardcore atheists like you who don't give a damn about the purpose of their lives and existences and then call theistic people stupid for believing in God.

How do you know that I have no purpose of my life? How do you know that I don't give a damn about the purpose of my very existence? Do you still not see how offensive you are? You know next to nothing about me and you are now asserting that I have no purpose of my life or that I don't care about it. If you wanted to know, couldn't you have asked me? What makes you so quick to dehumanize me along with the rest of the atheists? I am the angry arrogant evil one, right? bravo

And your nickname is much more stupid than my avatar.

I've already explained that to you. Now it's a matter of your opinion and I can't do a thing about it.

You just proved yourself that you are a materialist.

I think this is the 3rd or 4th time I am repeating that I am not into philosophical naturalism. But even if I did say that I am a materialist, how is that supposed to be bad? Because the real world can not account for your imaginary friend? How is that my problem? Oh, while you're at it, let me tell you about my belief in HyperNaturals. I have a pet dragon that is from the hypernatural dimension. When you die, my pet dragon will torture you for eternity forever and ever no matter what you do. Does that make you afraid or even make you think of taking me seriously? I hope not. Same goes for my lack of belief in your claim that there is a supernatural real and your God is a part of it. Prove it, otherwise its like that dragon for me.

Have fun in this world while you are still alive.

I am not a masochist. I don't derive pleasure from pain. So naturally, I'd seek out pleasure. Thank you.

When you are dead, you will be nothing, right? When you are dead, your body in the sand will just rot right?

Well, given that you put my body in the sand. Yes, we can expect a human dead-body to rot in the sand. Why, you can prove otherwise? I thought everyone already knew that dead bodies rot in the sand.

Just keep boasting your superior intelligence while you are alive.

Well, not that I want to boast about being intellectually superior, I wonder why you specified that I should do it while I am alive. Of course if I wanted to do anything I'd have to do it when I am alive. Dead people are by definition dead and can't do that.

I am proud of your superiority in intelligence.

You keep saying such things. Here is something you can do to stop feeling insecure, go pick up a book or two and read them. )

May Science bless you.

Science is a method, not a being. facepalm

Peace
------------ Student of Allah

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I am currently trawling through all this to see if anything actually is relevant to what I wanted to know. I stumbled across this

You are arguably one of the most irrational ignorant person I have ever encountered on this forum.

Peace
------------- Student of Allah

Even more so than "Sunnah Hero"?

[diamantinehoneybunch]

Shalom Aleikhem,

I don't know what that sentence even means. In any case, if you are referring to "name calling", I think I have done you justice by explaining why a certain negative word describes you the best. That is why I have gone to great lengths while responding to your post.

You called me "The most ignorant person I have ever found on forum". And I also use the word MATERIALIST to describe an arrogant atheist like you who rejects God because God is not 'scientifically'(or more accurate word phisically / materially) proven and call faith is fairytale and God 'fictionous'.

I don't know such atheists. There can be some, but I just don't know them and I don't even see why that is relevant. Let me give you a hint, what if it's the case that when an atheist presents a case with full details and you just run away calling the atheist names or something, refusing to address the argument made, it frustrates them. For example ( you can click on them)

I am not debating you about Science. You just gave me your free science education so why do you expect me to refute your teaching? Thanks for that.

• Student of Allah Expresses opinion on the matter of link between theism/atheism and intelligence.
• You Personal attack by demonizing the atheists, equating the atheist with Hitler.
• You again Attributing lies to me, Calling me this and that without asking me first if I am that what you think I am.
• Student of Allah Explaining what this atheist believes in and where you went wrong in detail.
• You Totally ignores the central point and does not even care to apologize for attributing falsehood and spreading evidently wrong ideas about atheism. Ends the response with a threat of ultimate consequence on judgement day.
• Student of Allah Asks you to present your case for God to see if this atheist can accept it. For mutual benefit. Also ensures that this atheist will explore your evidence/proof/case on a purely intellectual level and won't try to intimidate you with threats unlike you.
  -You Instead of putting your money where your mouth is, you say "Typical atheist response" and wave a verse from scripture as if that is supposed to argue on your behalf or explain to me where I went wrong. Unfortunately, you don't stop there, when another member asks you to put your money where your mouth is, you don't do that. Instead you choose to start your personal attacks trying to dehumanize atheists further by talking nonsense about them.

Wow! You are all the positives while I am always the negatives.
Maybe I should also put your negatives (making fun of God, saying that Faith is fairytale, calling me ignorant)
Threats of what? Hell? If you believe that hell is stupid, supertitious, why do you even call it a threat?

You see now? That can be frustrating. Now if this is how you have been doing your "dawah" to atheists/youtube atheists, I can see why you manage to make them angry.

I have never done dawah to arrogant boastful atheists who don't give a damn about the purpose they are being created, Christians, Hindus etc.
I just FOUND them on YouTube. I just read his rude and boastful comments against a Christian. He got angry just like you. Just marry him. He is a dude.

You are not in a forum where you are discussing things with 5 year olds. At least I am not a 5 year old. Don't even pretend for a second that you used that person(Joseph Stalin) to mean "just an atheist". You clearly used him to equate his evil traits directly with atheism. Don't drag this any further as this will only further embarrass you. Don't try to pretend like you just wanted to use him as an example of a random nobody.

I just take him as example "Atheists don't believe in sins so atheists WHO commit crimes don't believe they are sinning".
What is so hard in understanding this simple sentence?

And you do nothing wrong to provoke an angry response from atheists, right?

The first time you got angry with me was when I said to you to change your nickname if you don't believe in God and make fun of faith. I didn't intend to prove you existence of God.

A Sunni like that demands that you accept their supernatural and ordinary theistic claims based on little to no evidence and not be critical.

A pure materialist like you demands that people accept your materialism and hardcore atheism based on Science which is full of materialism.

When you make personal attacks and attribute falsehood to me and spread evidently wrong ideas about atheists in general, I think I can be a bit frustrated. That is natural. I have never used my anger/frustration as my argument.

To be honest the main intention I talk about atheists is just to say atheists don't know the purpose they are created.
Some atheists are humanists. They don't believe in heaven, hell, God. They just simply want to help humans, animals etc. But since they reject the fairytales that you say, they don't know the real purpose they are created and exist.

Doesn't matter if they accept some other claim. As long as they refuse to accept the theistic claim that there is a God, they are atheists. I have explained to you before and in detail that I am not into philosophical naturalism. May be methodological naturalism. Let me put it this way. I do not claim that there are no supernatural things. I just don't include it in my world view "at the moment" because I have no evidence for their existence. I have to be honest, I can not bare false witness. When I have no evidence for the supernatural dimension, why will I assume it exists? If it was the case that you have demonstrated to me that supernatural things/beings do exist, in that case I'd be a fool to not believe. But the time to believe is after you submit your evidence, not before.

Just have fun with your materialist life.
Naturalism = materialism

No, not all theists are all the negative things you've said they are. By the way, I am not frustrated at you for criticizing me. How is that ever possible when you never criticized me? Spewing lies and false demonizing things about atheists in general over and over again is by no definition "criticism".

Lies? Maybe you think that I say that atheists are criminals and "have no lives". Maybe I should use the word "hardcore atheists / materialist atheists / strong atheists" instead of just using the word "atheists" because there are atheists that believe in ghosts.
Materialist / hardcore / strong / NATURALIST atheists reject God, hell, heaven, sins etc so they don't give a damn about THE purpose they are created and exist in this world. Their 'purpose' of life is ENJOY LIFE TO THE FULLEST.

How do you know that I have no purpose of my life? How do you know that I don't give a damn about the purpose of my very existence? Do you still not see how offensive you are? You know next to nothing about me and you are now asserting that I have no purpose of my life or that I don't care about it. If you wanted to know, couldn't you have asked me? What makes you so quick to dehumanize me along with the rest of the atheists? I am the angry arrogant evil one, right? bravo

Then what is the purpose you exist? What is the purpose you are created? Tell me. You are created by nature so what is the purpose of nature creating you?

I think this is the 3rd or 4th time I am repeating that I am not into philosophical naturalism. But even if I did say that I am a materialist, how is that supposed to be bad? Because the real world can not account for your imaginary friend? How is that my problem? Oh, while you're at it, let me tell you about my belief in HyperNaturals. I have a pet dragon that is from the hypernatural dimension. When you die, my pet dragon will torture you for eternity forever and ever no matter what you do. Does that make you afraid or even make you think of taking me seriously? I hope not. Same goes for my lack of belief in your claim that there is a supernatural real and your God is a part of it. Prove it, otherwise its like that dragon for me

"Prove it!" Reminds me of God rejectors during Moses' time.
I don't criticize you to prove the existence of God physically. Just to prove my point that hardcore atheists don't give a damn the purpose they are created and exist.

Well, given that you put my body in the sand. Yes, we can expect a human dead-body to rot in the sand. Why, you can prove otherwise? I thought everyone already knew that dead bodies rot in the sand.

What I meant by that phrase is people like you don't believe in afterlife, just believe that you have lost consciousness after death forever.

You keep saying such things. Here is something you can do to stop feeling insecure, go pick up a book or two and read them. )

No I'm not feeling insecure. I feel so thankful to God for not being arrogant to Him. I don't like reading books made of paper. I like reading online.

Science is a method, not a being. facepalm

Well I meant may scientists bless with their superior knowledge of science and the medicines. Hail sciene.

Anyway I would like to see you on TV with the boastful Bill Maher.

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I am currently trawling through all this to see if anything actually is relevant to what I wanted to know. I stumbled across this

Even more so than "Sunnah Hero"?

I still remember reading old posts on this forum. I have read somewhere where Sunnah-hero said that women are property of men so men can sell them" "There's no rape in Islam".
I was like o o o o o o o o o o o o

Yes, I am worse that Sunnah-hero in the eyes of Student of Naturalism because I criticize strict atheism.
She wants me to praise atheists so I just hail Bill Maher!