Abortion?
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Salaam huruf,
I hope you saw that I wrote in defense of women who decide to have an abortion?
God bless you
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Sorry, Man of faith, you indeed did, and you are usually generous in your thoughts. I think I was a bit carried away in the estimation of proportions. Sorry to you an to any other person I might have represented wrongly.
I am sorry that the whole thing about reproduction and males and females mission is being taken piecemeal and not as a whole and therefore any conclusion based on that piecemeal procedure will result in injustice and in futility. Nothing useful or good is likely to come of it. God gives resort to people to solve breaches within a marriage, for humans to pretend to rule on women reproductive behaviour ouside of those parameters are a challenge to God, who kept it for Himself. And a challenge to the own souls of those who would attempt to rule over things of which they have no command nor true knowledge.
Salaam
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Abortion is not Disneyland nor a plessure trip. It is cruel and irreponsible to pound on women because they may decide to abort. God enjoins all people to honour the wombs. Honouring the wombs means that no woman would ever feel conflicted and dreading because of becoming a mother. That no woman would find herself in the dire strait of having to choose between feeding the children she already has or not feeding them because she is taken up with a new pregnancy. That no woman should fear that a baby or a new baby would put her more in the power ao a man that may be mistreating her. That she won't have to prostitue herself to feed achild or find nowhere to live or nowhere to go. That she won't be pointed out at as looser and an irresponsible person or a nuts for having a child. That a woman would always be sure that no matter what, as a mother she will be protected by her community and not insulted nor twatched as if she was a criminal, that she will be honoured as a mother, treated with respected and her freedom respected as something God ordered.
Society is hypocritical with mothers and women in general. Exacts as if women were their property but will not take care of them nor acknowledge their contribution. Those who worry so much about women not getting away with abortion, bark at the wrong tree and start the house with the roof. No. They must acknowledge that women do a sublime and demanding service to society and RESPECT THEM WITH UTMOST RESPECT, not watch over them as if they were contumanmcious kids, nor treat her always as a prospective lawbreaker and troublemaker. Society is too lucky that women still carry on having children, because society deals very arrogantly, very harshly, very pimpishly, very unfairly and unjsutly with women. they claim very much about abortion, but not even one of those who have written in this thread will admit that society and believers must honour the wombs and must safeguard first and foremost the honour and the freedom of women. And by honour I mean not to play continuously with it as if they always offered a ground for mistrust and should pass their exam of trusworthyness over and over. Society is not the owner of women, God is the owner of women and society and men and women are gravely trespassing when they make assaults, verbal or otherwise on the trustworthiness, nonguiltiness and moral honour fo women. This society that watches after women like a hounddog but does not much of its duties to them, does not deserve any consideration nor respect in return from their women nor that the women keep faith with their dirty minds, their moral bankrupty and their egotism. Such societies are indeed getting a gift of a deal and they do not deserve it.
Talk to God about it see what He says. We, present societies, get much better than we deserve. We do not want abortions? Well and good go about it the right way. If it is too much to expect, then it is better not to say anything and not to parade fake moralist grandstanding on abortion when all that is intended to do is patronize about what women should or should not do. Women o not need any of that, they are adults not toys nor dogs nor the property of anybody but the Mighty, Al Quddus, Ar-Rahman ar-rahim.
Say I seek refuge with the Lord of the Dawn (1) From the mischief of created things; (2) From the mischief of Darkness as it overspreads; (3) From the mischief of those who practise malignant crafts; (4) And from the mischief of the envious one as he practises envy. (5)
Say I seek refuge with the Lord and Cherisher of Mankind, (1) The King of Mankind, (2) The god of Mankind,- (3) From the mischief of the Whisperer, who withdraws, (4) who whispers into the hearts of Mankind,- (5) Among Jinns and among men. (6)
Salaam
Sorry, Man of faith, you indeed did, and you are usually generous in your thoughts. I think I was a bit carried away in the estimation of proportions. Sorry to you an to any other person I might have represented wrongly.
I am sorry that the whole thing about reproduction and males and females mission is being taken piecemeal and not as a whole and therefore any conclusion based on that piecemeal procedure will result in injustice and in futility. Nothing useful or good is likely to come of it. God gives resort to people to solve breaches within a marriage, for humans to pretend to rule on women reproductive behaviour ouside of those parameters are a challenge to God, who kept it for Himself. And a challenge to the own souls of those who would attempt to rule over things of which they have no command nor true knowledge.
Salaam
Having opposition or reservation towards abortion is not about hating or oppressing women. Having read through many pro-abortion arguments and opinion pieces, you seem to have a very 'doomsday' view not shared by the majority. For the most part, in the developed world at least, pro-abortion and pro-choice is about having free & unfettered access to abortion services all the time. Furthermore, at least in the developed world, for the most part those women do no want it because they fear that having a child might result in them having to prostitute themselves to provide for the child. No, they argue for the right to abort a pregnancy, due to the simple inconvenience it causes. Some women find having an abortion harrowing and stressful. Some women are perfectly okay and having an abortion does not impact them or affect them one bit.
Abortions will not help the women in less developed societies or those living in lower socio-economic strata. You want to help women and improve their lives, then they need education and access to contraception. Studies consistently show the better educated the men and women in a society are, the better choices they make in life - i.e. Economic development. Having abortions is not going to give them that, simply because after the abortion, they will go back to whatever situation they were in to begin with. Women need to have access to education, skills development and jobs. If they didn't have it before they fell pregnant then they won't have it after the abortion either.
Regarding your comments on honouring the womb and gods solutions to solving breaches within a marriage
?And the divorced women shall hold themselves for three menstruation periods; and it is not lawful for them to conceal what God has created in their wombs, if they believe in God and the Last Day. And their husbands would then have just cause to return together, if they both wish to reconcile. And for what obligations the women are owed, so similarly must they fulfil their obligations. But the men will have a greater responsibility over them in this. And God is Noble, Wise.? (Quran 222
God does not allow women to conceal what is in her womb. Now if she was aware that she was pregnant, hid it and had an abortion, then does that not violate god's command? God gives the husband a right to now wether his now estranged/divorced wife has conceived. This is in direct opposition to the pro-abortion stance where they argue and believe that the woman has a right to an early abortion because it is her body and her choice and no other person can have a say in it. Why does god not allow the women to conceal what is in the womb?
?You shall let them reside in the home you were in when you were together, and do not coerce them to make them leave. And if they are pregnant, you shall spend on them until they give birth. Then, if they nurse the infant, you shall pay them their due for such. And you shall maintain the amicable relations between you. If you disagree, then another woman may nurse the child.? (Quran 656)
If the husband and wife have not been able to reconcile, then god makes it clear that the woman must complete the full pregnancy term and that the now divorced husband must provide fully for her care. So, what if the woman, now divorced, does not want to have the child. The pro abortion view is that she has every right to abort and not have the child. Yet, I don't see god agreeing.
Peace.
Al.
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God knows why anybody, always a woman, would need or not need to abort. God knows. Men do not. They may be proud enough to think that they are judges. God in the Qur'an does not state such a thing but keeps the relation between the matrices and Himself for Himself. We are overstepping gravely when we intrude in what God has kept for Himself.
Salaam
Peace huruf
3511 And God created you from dust, then from a seed, then He made you into pairs. And no female becomes pregnant, nor gives birth, without His knowledge. Nor does anyone have his life extended, or his life is shortened, except in a record. This is easy for God.
Is it not unjust to refute HIS Admission of a female becoming pregnant.
For a True Believer , Acceptance of HIS Admission is decreed, for we know not what is good for us.
2216 JustWar has been decreed for you while you hate it; and perhaps you may hate something while it is good for you, and perhaps you may love something while it is bad for you; and God knows while you do not know.
JustWar apart from physical sense is more applicable internally in our day to day life wherein there is a constant war for us to choose between soul and mind, just and unjust, good and bad, right and wrong, fair and unfair,.....
Regards
BalaChandran
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Peace huruf
3511 And God created you from dust, then from a seed, then He made you into pairs. And no female becomes pregnant, nor gives birth, without His knowledge. Nor does anyone have his life extended, or his life is shortened, except in a record. This is easy for God.
Is it not unjust to refute HIS Admission of a female becoming pregnant.
For a True Believer , Acceptance of HIS Admission is decreed, for we know not what is good for us.
2216 JustWar has been decreed for you while you hate it; and perhaps you may hate something while it is good for you, and perhaps you may love something while it is bad for you; and God knows while you do not know.
JustWar apart from physical sense is more applicable internally in our day to day life wherein there is a constant war for us to choose between soul and mind, just and unjust, good and bad, right and wrong, fair and unfair,.....
Regards
BalaChandran
What you answer does not have much to do with the statement of mine that you cite. God knows when a woman becomes pregnant so in what way does that detract from God's reservation to himself of why or when a woman might abort or whether God's finds it justified or not.
In fact the duplicity in this question is manifest. Since to some people it seem rather abhorrent that a woman should be forced to bear a child issued from a rape, then we let it be according to some that that abortion would be a murder as they purport that eveery abortion is. So they are saying that in case of rape murder is justified, so you are saying that s woman who aborts after rape is contravvening God and this and that. Well if you are in that predicamente do as you find it proper and good, but nobody can force a woman based on what one finds proper and good. It is the woman who is the subject of God's direct dealing.
God has not invited anybody else to meddle in women's wombs.
He has ordered on the other hand to reverence the wombs. Reverence them factually and really and then many other problems, drived, like abortion from the fact that society punishes the wombs instead of reverencing them, might solve themselves. You cannot give shit and then pretend to get back gold. That is you can pretend it, but you won't get it, no matter how entitled you may feel to get gold in return for shit.
Salaam
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Having opposition or reservation towards abortion is not about hating or oppressing women. Having read through many pro-abortion arguments and opinion pieces, you seem to have a very 'doomsday' view not shared by the majority. For the most part, in the developed world at least, pro-abortion and pro-choice is about having free & unfettered access to abortion services all the time. Furthermore, at least in the developed world, for the most part those women do no want it because they fear that having a child might result in them having to prostitute themselves to provide for the child. No, they argue for the right to abort a pregnancy, due to the simple inconvenience it causes. Some women find having an abortion harrowing and stressful. Some women are perfectly okay and having an abortion does not impact them or affect them one bit.
Abortions will not help the women in less developed societies or those living in lower socio-economic strata. You want to help women and improve their lives, then they need education and access to contraception. Studies consistently show the better educated the men and women in a society are, the better choices they make in life - i.e. Economic development. Having abortions is not going to give them that, simply because after the abortion, they will go back to whatever situation they were in to begin with. Women need to have access to education, skills development and jobs. If they didn't have it before they fell pregnant then they won't have it after the abortion either.
Regarding your comments on honouring the womb and gods solutions to solving breaches within a marriage
?And the divorced women shall hold themselves for three menstruation periods; and it is not lawful for them to conceal what God has created in their wombs, if they believe in God and the Last Day. And their husbands would then have just cause to return together, if they both wish to reconcile. And for what obligations the women are owed, so similarly must they fulfil their obligations. But the men will have a greater responsibility over them in this. And God is Noble, Wise.? (Quran 222
God does not allow women to conceal what is in her womb. Now if she was aware that she was pregnant, hid it and had an abortion, then does that not violate god's command? God gives the husband a right to now wether his now estranged/divorced wife has conceived. This is in direct opposition to the pro-abortion stance where they argue and believe that the woman has a right to an early abortion because it is her body and her choice and no other person can have a say in it. Why does god not allow the women to conceal what is in the womb?
?You shall let them reside in the home you were in when you were together, and do not coerce them to make them leave. And if they are pregnant, you shall spend on them until they give birth. Then, if they nurse the infant, you shall pay them their due for such. And you shall maintain the amicable relations between you. If you disagree, then another woman may nurse the child.? (Quran 656)
If the husband and wife have not been able to reconcile, then god makes it clear that the woman must complete the full pregnancy term and that the now divorced husband must provide fully for her care. So, what if the woman, now divorced, does not want to have the child. The pro abortion view is that she has every right to abort and not have the child. Yet, I don't see god agreeing.
Peace.
Al.
This is nto about pro abortion or anti abortion. This is about something else. Nobody is ro abortion, but there are people who seem to think that the world can be dirty, but that in a dirty world, still women must be punished for not being model (their model) of cleanliness in spit of the fact that of nobody is clealiness expected.
As the Sapanish saying goes O jugamos TODOS o se rompe la baraja (either we play all or the deck of cards be shreded. The society may go astray as much as she pleases but concerning women, no way even if filth is universal, they must still be heroes.
You won't get that, no matter hwo much you bring God, and theories into the play, but what you will get is women dying frequently from botched abortions and the abortions will go on veyr much the same. There are not two rules, narrow for women and wide for others. If you want a virtuous society start honouring the wombs as God, very wisely says. But from many muslims all concern seems to go to having women well controlled. And from modern quarters all goes to having women pay for not being controlled, either by making hell for them if they still keep on wanting children or if they rennouce that, makingg them feel ever uilty for not having them.
When societies stop being watchers and controllers of women, they may get the results from it. As long as they are controllers and judges of women they will get the equivalent "rewards". So good luck in expecting gold in exchange for shit.
By the way of all those ayas I am well aware and they do not say what you they say. And you always assume that the woman wants to abort and the nice husband does not. Within a marriage conditiosn must be clearly set. And they must be abided by by both parties. If they break yhe agreement the marriage is over. Where there is no marriage, there is nothing on which to agree. And do not forget that women have the same rights in marriage as those over them. And again you are the husband may divorce but th Qur'an does nto foresee any action concerning abortion. THEREFORE what th woman does is between her and God and whatever liabilities she may have contracted with the husband. The husband is no the owner of the woman. The question dealt with in the Qur'an ar ethe condicitons to be fulfilled by the father if a pregnancy happens and a birth happens. It is talking about the duties of the father not about the duties of the mother, and what is saafeguarding is the identity of the child not the ownership of the father. The woman must not hide or lie about the identity of the child.
I seems that many people are convinced that the right way to go about women is watch them like potential criminals, controll them as uncontrolled nuts and tie them short to "protect them" from tempting and from becoming bad women -or aborters.
Yes one feels like asking oneself why didGod spend to much revelation trying to teach those who are just happy as they are.Salaam
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The punishment for rape is not in the quran, or is it? Actually, it is.
Sex before marriage is not in the quran, or is it? Actually it is.
Abortion? Likewise.
But there must be a proving, a forward aspect. Everyone has the right to feel hurt and to express that they feel hurt. Women have the right to be free from oppression and indeed men have a greater responsibility to women than women have towards men. Men are made to lead, women are made to feel. The feeling of a lady is also her leading, there is yinyang here.
Women are doubly vulnerable, firstly due to the imposing nature/presence of men, and secondly the flow of one's hormones to which we are already so. We accept this.
We are not here to blame women. A friend of mine says something which I feel rings very true
In a patriarchal society, men are raised above women. In a matriarchal society, all are equal.
Then we may consider that we were all once female, the choice to become male is made within the womb. And we may also remember that upon man is the enjoinment of kindness towards his mother.
Mother is twofold, and this has been ignored. We have mother, and grandmother, but both of these persons are rendered in quran as Mother. This is the crux of the issue we spend one life in the womb in two bodies one after another, and one life in the outside world in our own body, one after another after another.
The first part of life is spent as an egg cell (You) in the fetus (Birth Mother) of one's pregnant Grand Mother (pre-preBirth). The second part of the first life is spent as the egg developing within the mother and experiencing the Life of the mother. Then the Second Life is spent as the manifest human.
So we have two lives;
First Life is spent as an egg cell
Second Life (Birth onto the Earth) is when the sperm joins the egg in the mother's womb;
The second Life is spent as either male or female according to the will/choice/nature of the Soul and primarily The God Supreme, the first Life of which has two stages is spent as female/egg, always.You F => F=> M/F
What is seen outside F + M (Grandma) => F + M (Ma)=> M/F (Me)Thus a creation after creation in triple darkness,
Thus "twice you have given us life, twice you have caused us to die"group
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What you answer does not have much to do with the statement of mine that you cite. God knows when a woman becomes pregnant so in what way does that detract from God's reservation to himself of why or when a woman might abort or whether God's finds it justified or not.
In fact the duplicity in this question is manifest. Since to some people it seem rather abhorrent that a woman should be forced to bear a child issued from a rape, then we let it be according to some that that abortion would be a murder as they purport that eveery abortion is. So they are saying that in case of rape murder is justified, so you are saying that s woman who aborts after rape is contravvening God and this and that. Well if you are in that predicamente do as you find it proper and good, but nobody can force a woman based on what one finds proper and good. It is the woman who is the subject of God's direct dealing.
God has not invited anybody else to meddle in women's wombs.
He has ordered on the other hand to reverence the wombs. Reverence them factually and really and then many other problems, drived, like abortion from the fact that society punishes the wombs instead of reverencing them, might solve themselves. You cannot give shit and then pretend to get back gold. That is you can pretend it, but you won't get it, no matter how entitled you may feel to get gold in return for shit.
Salaam
Peace huruf
We exchange views here so that we choose better one of it for the better life to come by HIS Admission. Whatever we believe as Truth would guide us towards calmness, serenity, tranquility, clairvoyance, peace over peace. Truth would not lead us to a frustrating level to be excreted.
By God's Grace for me gold is one to be excreted, as it helps one to be of pride and turn others to envy and further helps in association with God as life savings, which cannot fetch us air, water or food for our living. Gold is a flimsy useless metal when compared to iron which is of much use in our day to day life.
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Peace,
Of course abortion is murder no matter the reason, isn't that the intent of the operation?
Isn't the intent to deny the human in the womb an existence? There are those who say,
" it's not a human" then what else can the human fetus be? a cat, a bird? It does not
matter if the killing is done inside or outside of the womb if you terminate the life force
of the child it's murder.He is the One who created you in stages.
God bless
peace
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Peace, before people advocate abortion/murder at any stage of pregnancy to others out of ignorance as the writers of ?the message? et al who advocate killing of unborn less than 6 months pregnant is ok due to their poor miscalculation/misreading of verses 3114 and 4615 and thus they too become complicit and bear the burden ? it is clear the human is an ?entity? within the womb.
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3114 and instruct we of the human with parents dual his carry she him mother his weakness of on weakness and separation his in/within/less than Aamyn/year two {i.e. < 709 days} that be thankful to me and to parents dual your to me the destiny
4615 and instruct we of the human with parents dual his kindness of carry she him mother his dislike of and gave birth him dislike of and carry his and separation his thirtieth shahran/lunar cycle of {886 days} until when reach vigor his and reach forty sanatan said lord grants me that I thank favor your the one favors it upon me and upon parents dual mine and that does righteous of please you and reconciles for me in progeny mine indeed I perish to you and surely I from the acquiescent
p = pregnancy time/carry his (variable)
w = weaning time/separation his (variable)w < 709 days
886 - p < 709p = 177+ days
Which simply states those babies born earlier need more weaning and vice versa.
30shr pregnancy wean time
days days months days months
886 177 6 709 24
886 207 7 679 23
886 236 8 650 22
886 266 9 620 21
886 295 10 591 20Not about ok to kill unborn < 6 months which is godless inhumane little different than mullahs who speculate on l-ru/the spirit say ok kill them before 120 days/4 months or ok to blow up innocent children in a play ground/wherever/whoever or the ungodly who send missiles call it collateral damage.
Peace!
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It looks like society isn't ready to give women full authority over their ability to give birth. And giving birth is mainly what women have been providing to societies. It is this giving birth that women are naturally responsible of that made them in the position they long held (inside houses, breastfeeding) while men used their natural ability to go out there and labor and seek means to feed themselves and families. This going out is also what exposed men to positions of power through the exercise of activities such as politics. Therefore men ruled over women men & women.
This is the result of men and women initially doing what they were naturally able to do that led to the birth of a patriarchal society. But you cannot blame men for that.
Also, men and women are equal in terms of existing in this earth and enduring the earthly test. i.e equal in terms of being a soul behind the scenes. But in their earthly "abilities" they are quite different.
Only recently, when women have started to disregard their ability to give birth, and motherhood in general, that they started to rub shoulders with men in work environments and positions of power and thus giving away the impression that men and women are equal.
But you cannot say men and women are equal (in their tasks) if you take in consideration the immense particularity and weight of giving birth, and the society that says so is the hypocritical one specially if it does not give women full authority over their ability to (not) give birth.
So, depending on that, a society that wants to take part in the process of giving birth should also take full responsibility in case of rapes, pregnancy complications etc. Otherwise bringing down the "holiness" and value of giving birth should be enough to make that decision totally up to the woman.
This holiness is what made women for a long time stay in their parents' home and only leave it for their husbands' home, and possibly stay there too to raise their children. There was and still is religious interest in this part of women as well. just like society's interest in this part of women.
All I can say is that some strong arguments need to be put forth in order to justify or refute abortion. I'm just brainstorming.
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Let us also not forget GOD in all this;
GOD knows what every woman carries and who gets born. What about unfortunate"miscarriages"? Is that murder by someone or something?GOD also has made the "instinct" of the mother a very strong and deep love towards what she will give birth to? Under normal circumstances no mother will wish to part with her child!!!!
I sometimes pity men,they find all sorts of excuses for themselves and honor in what they do even when they murder grown ups,yet will
not trust mothers with what is "part of their flesh" ,their own child that they have suffered and risked their life for to bring to this world?
Do men know their responsibilities and women do not?"Fitrata Al Naas Allati Fatara Al Naass Alaiha" GOD has given men and women different responsibilities. Trust women folks. The great majority of women know what they are doing with what is inside them. They are not murderers!!!!
Let GOD be the judge of all His "Nass".Has he asked you to judge/ punish abortion in His message?
GOD bless.
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"Fitrata Al Naas Allati Fatara Al Naass Alaiha" GOD has given men and women different responsibilities. Trust women folks. The great majority of women know what they are doing with what is inside them. They are not murderers!!!!
Let GOD be the judge of all His "Nass".Has he asked you to judge/ punish abortion in His message?
GOD bless.
Peace.Good post good logic,
Trust women, that is the question. That is what God does and therefore He has nto put a ruler over women to prohibit them this or that but He Himself deals with them. Nobody is entitled to rule the body of women. It is God's, not public property and the ruler of the body of women ont hsi earth is the woman, no the State, not any man not any other woman. If they do wrong or right they will answer to God.
But the iblees men and women of fire want to rule women suerpseding God. Humanity is in in no danger of dissapearance becuse of abortion. In fact, a universal complain is that we are too many that we are ruining the planet etc. etc.. The way with women is distrust and through distruat the entitlement to order thema round and rule them as if they were nto the direct servnts of God, not of the whims of society nor any of its members.
This distrust this satanic pride of overlording women is so gainst God, so ugly an disgusting, so distructive...
Antiabortionists are not worried about the "children" aborted, there are many who are so because of miscarriage, they do not get the general so "pious" feelings and treatment of dead children and nobody worries about them by they one week, or six months, but all this alrma, the throwing up the arms in horror is for the sake of reigning in women. Never antiabortion drives have saved lives, they have caused the opposite, even if unworthy lives like those of many women.
It is an exercise in hypocrisy. If there was so much interest in preventing abortions, women would be pampered like kings to have them bring their children into the world. Is that the way it happens? It is so hypocritical, so repulsive this exercise in virtue at the expense of others, mostly defenceless.
Antiabortionists do not aim to save lives, but to make hell the lives of others. They should put their money where their mouths are, but like with so many things, talking is cheap, and talking about what others should do cheapest and dangerless and riskless than anything and the feeling of power it gives is so great... Iblees, all right.
Salaam
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sunUh..that comment was from 5 years ago.
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What about unfortunate"miscarriages"? Is that murder by someone or something?
Peace, unlike hitting pregnant woman with a hammer there?s no intent so of course not.
To get woman pregnant or "knocked up" Arabic-English Lexicon by Edward William Lane
He made her to be the mother of children.
He made the girl to be the mother of a child.
He rendered her pregnant; got her with child.A child, son, daughter, youngling, or young one; and children, sons, daughters, offspring, young, or younglings; of any kind
347 said (f) lord whence being to me child (in context fetus) and not touched me human said like such the god created what willed when decree directive of so merely speaketh to it be so being
Inheritance example man leaves a pregnant wife gender unknown until birth impacts distributions.
412 ? so if be for you child (born/unborn) so to them the eight from what left you from after instruction/behest thou making in it or dept
1731 and not thou slay ye of (literally and/or metaphorically) children (born/unborn) yours fright pauperism we we provision them and that you if slew them be fault of great of 1732 and not approach ye of l-zin indeed it be fishatan/immorality and an evil path of 1733 and not thou slay ye of l-nafsa/the soul the one prohibit the god except in the right and who slew unjust of so verily made we of to heir his authority of so not exceed (heir shouldn?t take retribution on the perpetrator equally) in the slay indeed he be helped of 1734 and not approach ye of wealth the orphan except in which it is very best until reached vigor his and fulfil ye of in the covenant indeed the covenant be questioned of 1735 and fulfil ye of the measure when measure you and weigh ye of with the balance the straight such better and very best elucidation of
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sun?Oh yes! That is nonoews we all know and assume that, but what is unsaid is that many particularly men who say that assume that when the question is about women they are the overseers in the name of God, they are the meintermediaries between women and God. That is not said, and that is what is done and assume. So not su much genius in the answer, plain opportunism.
No intermediaries between God and woman. If men do not want abortions they just should keep off women. That is, they should oversee themselves and not trespass on God's will and relation to other people.
Very handy naming God for some Iblees errands, like abortion, imperialesm, terrorism, etc. That is taking the name of God in vain. You should remind the men of it when they visit whorehouses and similar male activities. Arent' they owned by god? the men Imean, not the whorehouses.
Or is it that some people don't live int he real world and don't have women in their family nor women acquaintaces or friends and therefore know nothing of the real world, and not the picture world for their satisfation and pleasure? Or are theyjust parading without caring for anything else?
Or is it men who are sabing the world from extinction?
Ungratefulness and pride are two great virtues carry on with them.
