Abortion?
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Ruh is like "life energy", it means "breath" if speaking linguistically. For example, Ruh Al-Quds uses the word Ruh and here it means "spirit" usually. When your nafs (mind seed) leaves this world for example when you die, the Ruh simply vanishes from the body (you stop breathing and all neurological functions stop).
In some cases, the Ruh has been seen to return to certain people kind of "miraculously" and so their Nafs is back in the body.
Between you and me, "your life seed" = Nafs'ek. It is basically who you are and what makes you different from an animal which cannot be a Nafs but only has a Ruh. The Ruh Al-Quds inserted into you is what makes you advanced.
Be well
Qarael AmenuelWhat about persistent vegetative state or other severe mental disorders? It does not sound logical to say their nafs is broken, but rather there is a brain injury of some sort. And the 'holy spirit' which allows one to become spiritual Being? It has nothing to do with ruh/nafs? Well in Islam you are but clay, the slave, I know, yet there are hints in Qur'an which tell otherwise, such as the act of angels prostating before Adam.
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When the body is broken, with for example a brain damage, this affects the Nafs because the animal which the Nafs is attached to is dysfunctional and therefore is not responding to input, basically.
One example is a person with psychosis, if you know what that is, this person may be conscious enough to experience what the body is doing in the delusion, but is basically unable to maneuver the body. Then this is a kind of scenario when the body is refusing input from the person, even if the person does not desire this.
We can say the Ruh of the Jinn is broken rather than the Nafs in the before mentioned case. Confused medieval religious inventors mistook this by saying the body is taken over by Jinns while the word Jinn means body and if you have a problem with Jinn it means the body is dysfunctional.
Generally however, the body mirrors the health of the mind and a sound individual has a low tendency to demonstrate dysfunctional behavior. A weak mind is more susceptible to a weakening Ruh, e.g. the person is growing elderly, but a strong person has a strong mind and therefore the mind is "driving" the existence of that whole person. That is because if the seed (Nafs) of a person has truly been conceived then a person is basically two parts; mind and body, and while the body has Ruh, the mind has Ruh Al-Quds and while the body will vanish the mind does not, it retains its condition.
Terminology (in real Arabic)
Nafs = "Seed", your life seed (may grow, desirable)
Naas = the mind/mental faculty (to be desired)
Jinn = the bodily (to be undesired)
Ruh = The bodily spirit/life energy basically (kind of autonomous in all beasts)
Ruh Al-Quds = the term for man's ability to stand over instinct (developed, often called holy spirit)
Satan = the body's instinctive drivingThe growing person does begin to employ a Ruh which is Al-Quds which overrides the lowly regular Ruh and therefore the Ruh's actions through the bodily mirrors the soundness of the mind, this person (Nafs = seed) is growing. Basically, when you move your body on this Earth it is done by the Ruh, and but when you process information abstractly in the mind it is not the Ruh but the mind and your person/seed is only deceptively seeming to be in merging with the bodily while they are two different "components". In fact you have your body, but you will not see the same one again. Either you have a new body repeatedly, or you come to your senses and understand your ultimate destiny is escaping the bodily, and that is if your person/seed has finished growing, and you "are attributed a totally complete being" (b'esm Allah al-rahman al-raheem). "Commendable is the being which learns to develop".
Earth is just a special breeding ground for a being expected to be so perfect the challenge is intense. Failed subjects are basically "collateral damage", insignificant and will be erased with souls and everything. As said, a person is just a seed and you grow what you need and when you have what you need you plant a different seed. Remember "God" has no (conventional) emotions and so that if only a few persons meet expectations and the rest fail is no concern to "God" and there is no emotional hardship to simply discard the seeds which never grew. Our existence is just a way for "God" to procreate "in its own way" (more like cloning) and it seems superiority is on the agenda. Out of billions of seeds, only a handful will be goodly enough to attain independent being and those are saved through "being picked out of the womb" (the Earth environment). Compare it to when sperms are rushing towards the egg in order to fertilize it and how many sperms are doing so. Many of them do not even go in the right direction.
Be well
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Why should a raped woman not be allowed to abort the pregnancy? It is not like she gave permission to use her womb for the impregnation and why should she need to care for this child which came into life through evil? Perhaps you wish to torture and put the blame on her?
And many of you agree to ending the lives of domestic animals and a human fetus is not more evolved than one of those at that stage.
A child comes into the world because man and woman agreed to this and will care for the child wholeheartedly.
Be well
Qarael AmenuelSo the child that is to be born from a raped woman is EVIL?
The child only has relation to the father and abuser and the child she is bearing has no relation to herself?
Yeah that's wrong.
The child is a part of her period. She should look past the assault and think of the child's well-being.
There are many worst things than rape. There is life after rape.
God does not place any burden upon any soul which it cannot bear.
Furthermore, Allah is the One who creates life in the wombs so He is fully knowledgeable and responsible for the development of this life.
Would any believing woman who fears Her Lord attempt to end the life of her own children for a selfish reason as rape?
This has nothing to dow with feminism. Too much of anything will lead to going astray.
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There are many worst things than rape. There is life after rape.
God does not place any burden upon any soul which it cannot bear.
What if it was all actually a test for the one who raped? He got tempted and could not overcome his instincts due to being too dumb so that is why he raped a woman despite having a family and children (a story a heard from a woman with such experience). So he failed a test of temptation. God tests us by the means of others. See I also can throw ayats on the fly.
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What if it was all actually a test for the one who raped? He got tempted and could not overcome his instincts due to being too dumb so that is why he raped a woman despite having a family and children (a story a heard from a woman with such experience). So he failed a test of temptation. God tests us by the means of others. See I also can throw ayats on the fly.
I don't quite understand the point you are trying to make.
I don't understand whether you are mocking me or disrespecting me by stating
See I also can throw ayats on the fly.Therefore, for now, I will say my citations are relevant and in context.
However I am not even sure if you have cited any ayaats at all....Please clarify your intent if I am mistaken
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I don't quite understand the point you are trying to make.
I don't understand whether you are mocking me or disrespecting me by stating Therefore, for now, I will say my citations are relevant and in context.
However I am not even sure if you have cited any ayaats at all....Please clarify your intent if I am mistaken
I was pointing out that the problem of rape may not be as simple as most are trying it to look like i.e. there is only a victim and someone to blame, and the whole situation somehow circles around a victim only. Rape is not limited to victim only and her burden as there is another person involved or a group of people. Then you had quoted 2286 so as to make it look like it is some sort of a burden for a victim, which, well, is controversial since the actions of a victim also count. And I had quoted a part from 474 to point out that there is not only a victim in the act of rape, but also a transgressor, who might have had a certain test upon him, such as a trial of temptation, as is apparent from the personal story I was introduced to, and is probably relevant for most rape cases where a woman is a victim. Just like you, I took the verse out of context, but I did it deliberately so as to point out that you can't just apply a verse for a certain situation, at least in some cases.
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Dear women, abortion is permissible to you.
- That is just as condescending as saying it is not permissible to them. Due to the fact that it is not YOUR permission they need.
- The above brings us to, it is GOD's permission they would require and He has not granted such thing. God does not command wrong doing Faith, or do you say about Allah that which you do not know, brother?
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I was pointing out that the problem of rape may not be as simple as most are trying it to look like i.e. there is only a victim and someone to blame, and the whole situation somehow circles around a victim only. Rape is not limited to victim only and her burden as there is another person involved or a group of people. Then you had quoted 2286 so as to make it look like it is some sort of a burden for a victim, which, well, is controversial since the actions of a victim also count. And I had quoted a part from 474 to point out that there is not only a victim in the act of rape, but also a transgressor, who might have had a certain test upon him, such as a trial of temptation, as is apparent from the personal story I was introduced to, and is probably relevant for most rape cases where a woman is a victim. Just like you, I took the verse out of context, but I did it deliberately so as to point out that you can't just apply a verse for a certain situation, at least in some cases.
Wow wow
You think I was quoting 2286 alone. Not to be offensive, but that straight off tells me that your comprehension level and your ability to recall context and gist of Quran is not up to par. That phrase is used throughout the Quran, for multiple scenarios and also in a universal way. It is completely in context and relevant.
(22331 tukallafu is burdened
(22862) yukallifu burden
(615217) nukallifu We burden
(7426) nukallifu We burden
(23622) nukallifu We burden
(65715) yukallifu burdenFurthermore, we are continuously tested, once or even twice a year. Each of us has their own trial, but nothing is placed upon any of us which we do not have the capacity to bear, whether it is physical, emotional, financial etc..
Your citation was rather the only one completely out of context so please do not compare yourself to me in that regard. My intentions are honest and direct.
An example Yaqub thought he had lost his child for years before he was able to be reconciled with him. Yet he remained patient and persevered in righteousness and did not despair. Therefore a woman in such a situation(rape) should not despair of the Mercy of her Lord and raise the child and not commit a murderous, abomination.
We all have our own trials to endure, the easy way out is most, if not all of the time, the wrong decision.
God says do not kill yourselves, because He is kind to you. Do not kill your children fearing poverty. And much more...
The wicked among the posters try to push the limits of Allah and instead say,
"If God says to not kill the child, we shall then kill the child before its born"
What?!!! How foolish! How wicked! How ignorant!I disassociate myself from any of you that would command such immorality and shame
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So the child that is to be born from a raped woman is EVIL?
The child only has relation to the father and abuser and the child she is bearing has no relation to herself?
Yeah that's wrong.
The child is a part of her period. She should look past the assault and think of the child's well-being.
There are many worst things than rape. There is life after rape.
God does not place any burden upon any soul which it cannot bear.
Furthermore, Allah is the One who creates life in the wombs so He is fully knowledgeable and responsible for the development of this life.
Would any believing woman who fears Her Lord attempt to end the life of her own children for a selfish reason as rape?
This has nothing to dow with feminism. Too much of anything will lead to going astray.
Have you asked a woman who got raped how she felt about the experience?
Anyone would rather have been nearly beaten to death than being impregnated by a foreign person. The rape is often the beginning of years of suffering and in some cases it has ended in suicide.
If she gives birth to the child she will be forced to see the man who raped her for a long time.
And rape is defilement and a defilement must be cleansed. Perhaps the egg is hers, but the DNA string of the sperm which fertilizes the egg is unwanted, it is not okay and the person should not have to live with that.
Still, if she wishes to keep the child it is her choice, but no one is to be forced carrying a child conceived through evil. That is a continuation of the humiliation and suffering for her.
However, I am among those who find abortion in general to be wrong otherwise, and if abortion is going to be performed then there should be a good reason.
But one should always look at the root of the problem and if people did not want a child they should have avoided mating in the first place. The drive to mate is meant for procreation and the lust towards it is there to drive the species to do so. Using condoms and other protection is unnatural and there is meant to be a chance of conception with each intercourse and one has to live with that. Killing the child is against the natural way it happens and so it also effects the man and particularly the woman emotionally with terminating the pregnancy and it may affect the body. Not long ago there was no way of abortion either but it is a new invention, except if the woman performed dangerous jumping from tables or a person beating her belly and so on in order to kill the fetus in which case the subsequent extraction of the dead fetus may be a life-threatening procedure.
Be well
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Wow wow
You think I was quoting 2286 alone. Not to be offensive, but that straight off tells me that your comprehension level and your ability to recall context and gist of Quran is not up to par. That phrase is used throughout the Quran, for multiple scenarios and also in a universal way. It is completely in context and relevant.
(22331 tukallafu is burdened
(22862) yukallifu burden
(615217) nukallifu We burden
(7426) nukallifu We burden
(23622) nukallifu We burden
(65715) yukallifu burdenFurthermore, we are continuously tested, once or even twice a year. Each of us has their own trial, but nothing is placed upon any of us which we do not have the capacity to bear, whether it is physical, emotional, financial etc..
Your citation was rather the only one completely out of context so please do not compare yourself to me in that regard. My intentions are honest and direct.
An example Yaqub thought he had lost his child for years before he was able to be reconciled with him. Yet he remained patient and persevered in righteousness and did not despair. Therefore a woman in such a situation(rape) should not despair of the Mercy of her Lord and raise the child and not commit a murderous, abomination.
We all have our own trials to endure, the easy way out is most, if not all of the time, the wrong decision.
God says do not kill yourselves, because He is kind to you. Do not kill your children fearing poverty. And much more...
The wicked among the posters try to push the limits of Allah and instead say,
"If God says to not kill the child, we shall then kill the child before its born"
What?!!! How foolish! How wicked! How ignorant!I disassociate myself from any of you that would command such immorality and shame
God says ittaqw Allah wa ittaqw al arham.
When people use their own devices to overlord the arhams, they are in complete rebelion against God. You may disagree with what anybody else may do but a womans reproductive capacity, which s a trust of God to HER not to society is between her and God.
It so shocking how muche nergy and words (many, many words, deeds like moving other men to virtue and being real qawwmun to women and not nuisances) spend intming women, as if they were some beasts which have to be dominated and overlorded.
You insist a lot on the duty of women and never care to see that society and men in particular really really really to what God's orders everyboy which is ittaqw al arham and the men in particular to be qawwamun, not exploiters and nuisance.When men are such a thing and they comly they may start to voice so much sweetness about cigotes, embryos and fetuses. While they do not, they are
PLAIN, MERE HYPOCRITES. They defile the words og God they pretend to repeat. as to cigotes, embryos and fetuses, they will become children if they are born. Before birth they are not. That has always been so. Now men have stepped still furthr intheir arrogance and retend to turn everything they can in an indictment of women. Rancourous and jealous attitudes are those. They do not forgive women to be women, they should be their property. They translate their Iblees feelings into twisting the words of God. It seems really they do not fear God.
And on top of everything they play at being stupid, they make as if they did not notice that if men rape, go to brothels and use women in every other wise and are generally filthy, women, who live in the same society as them cannot be pure on their part. That does nto work that way.In order to improve a society you cannot have and condone half of it to be sinful and reckless and then expect the other have to be spotless.
And why I say they play stupid it is because in fact they know, they know that thy cannot have a society where half is pure what they other have can sin and be filthy at will, they know it, but they do nto care, because part of the filth is the double measure, for them narrow for us wide. Any trick is good to maintain that fantastic state of society.
If this questionr eally mattered to them, they would not spedn so many words on it and would spend them where it would be useful and not mere posturing and attempt to blame others. .
Salaam
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Dear women, abortion is permissible to you.
Seek no answers from men regarding this, for we will answer to God, The Judge.
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God bless you Faith, indeed, God is the master and the judge, no woman owes any attention to impostors.
Salaam, Salaam
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Yet what I said about wrong, it is yet up to the woman whether to proceed with the pregnancy or not, and no one else. And I am not going to condemn anyone for their doing
Nearly wish I could rape HP_TECH and leave him pregnant though and see if he would think differently, which I am sure he would. It is easy to be self-righteous in relationship to others.
Be well
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Yet what I said about wrong, it is yet up to the woman whether to proceed with the pregnancy or not, and no one else. And I am not going to condemn anyone for their doing
Nearly wish I could rape HP_TECH and leave him pregnant though and see if he would think differently, which I am sure he would. It is easy to be self-righteous in relationship to others.
Be well
Qarael AmenuelSalaam, Man of Faith, at least you are consequent with your own tenets and realise the coldheartness utter cruelty of some that use God's words as a weapon against women but never in favour of women.
They would like that the trust between God and osmen would be under their ruling. They cannot stand that the sacred trust of life not be under their power but be in the hands of a creature whom in fact they could obliterate with a blow and whoin fact they can force even to conceive. They think they are relicating God?
Al arHam are under God's direct trust of God with no intermmediary. Deal with it, and spite with rage. You have no say in that. With have to deal with women for that. God deals with women directly and you do so
Yet what I said about wrong, it is yet up to the woman whether to proceed with the pregnancy or not, and no one else. And I am not going to condemn anyone for their doing
Nearly wish I could rape HP_TECH and leave him pregnant though and see if he would think differently, which I am sure he would. It is easy to be self-righteous in relationship to others.
Be well
Qarael AmenuelI am sure many self-righteous persons would benefit from really going through what they so happily thrust upon others as if it was cake, and as if those others were allpowerful God, for whom nothing is impossible while at the same time being conveniences they can use at will and be dispose of equally at will. In fact we all know that many men, even self-righteous men, use women not as persons or has holders of ever "so sacred life" but as sewers and as worriless as if what God had commanded them above all was hypocrisy and double measure and double talk.
It is a sad fact that many males cannot stand the fact that women have that power and that trust of giving life and they do not own an inch of it. It kill them, it kills their Iblees fire nafs that a weak creature they could obliterate with a blow should have that prerrogative. They are not interrested in being qawwamun and sustaining and supporting them those waker creatures, it kills them. Deal with it Ilbees men, deal with it.
Women respond directly to God not to your arrogance. Any complain you have, address it to God. Since you are nto willing to be qawwamoon and support women, the best you could do is to keep off and let other men who are really deserving and willing to act as God fearing men do their job and maintain a humanity based of trust and respect instead of on violence, distrust and jealousy.
Salaam to all those that support and respect women and men.
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At least in my household my wife is treated with respect and I take care of her, because I feel it is my humanly responsibility. I help with household chores and I take my son to school every day. I do not have a sense of being above her as a man and I am just the male counterpart of the female in the oneness of our bonding.
But our genders are only superficial due to our bodies and in our minds this is irrelevant and it is the mental strength which is truly valuable.
Be well
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Wow wow
You think I was quoting 2286 alone. Not to be offensive, but that straight off tells me that your comprehension level and your ability to recall context and gist of Quran is not up to par. That phrase is used throughout the Quran, for multiple scenarios and also in a universal way. It is completely in context and relevant.
My primary objective was to show you that there are at least two people involved in a rape and the unvierse does not circle around a woman only, as far as I know. I know a story about a guy being tempted because she wore provocative clothing. So it was a test for both of them. He failed a test and she learned a lesson. At least that's how I see it. I condemn raping but the world is a test. And most, including you, obviously fail to understand that.
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Nearly wish I could rape HP_TECH and leave him pregnant though and see if he would think differently, which I am sure he would. It is easy to be self-righteous in relationship to others.
A woman I told about in my previous comments was raped as a virgin, but she did not report him because the dude had a family and children so she did not want to break that guy's family.
I sometimes hear about tremendously compassionate women, but I've never met them in person. Not sure if they are a myth or I am just born in the wrong place.