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    muslims
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    You have many rules.Please show me the one, show we can take your rule as main pilar for our discussion.

    Salam

    Why are you replying like you don't know which verse we are discussing all this while?

    I have already given you an ayat relating to "private parts".

    and.. you agree homosexual have "private parts".

    Therefore, they are equally obliged to comply with this rule.

    UNLESS, you can show me an ayat that they are exempted from this rule.

    Why are you playing dumb and like you don't understand what we have been discussing all this while?

    Do you desperately need to distort Allah's words for your reputation or ego?

    If not.. then give me an ayat to show that homosexual are exempted from the rule relating to "private parts".

    Do you have an ayat to prove that they are exempted from this rule?

    Peace

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      Why are you playing dumb and like you don't understand what we have been discussing all this while?

      If not.. then give me an ayat to show that homosexual are exempted from the rule relating to "private parts".

      Both of us play dumb.If we create an arguments, we must anticipate first for is the interlocutars understand what I said

      Verse about private part ( I also already explained multiples time)

      Verses about "guard private part" is 235-6

      23.5 And who () keep covered their private parts.
      23.6 Except around their mates (), or those who are maintained by their oaths, they are free from blame.

      The blue word is allazi mean which, who, whom, whose and this is masculine.
      The red word is azwaj or zawaj, means mate (mate can be husband or wife) and interestingly the red word is also masculine!!

      This means this verse is neutral in gender and translation.
      And verse 7029-31 is a repetation of 235-6.

      If you don't understand what I mean, which part?
      Indeed mate (zaawaja) is neutral in contexs of the ayats.

      So how this relate to homosexs case??

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        muslims
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        This means this verse is neutral in gender and translation.

        If you don't understand what I mean, which part?
        Indeed mate (zaawaja) is neutral in contexs of the ayats.

        So how this relate to homosexs case??

        Salam

        Is this your ayat to show that homosexual is exempted from the rule relating to private parts? confused

        By the way... when did "spouses" become a gender?

        When did "mates" become a gender?

        Where did you learn "spouses" is a gender?

        Which school?

        Is "marriage" a gender?

        Is "perkahwinan" a gender? Is a "man"?, Is a "woman"?, "lelaki"? "wanita"? laugh

        Of course spouse is neutral. Spouse is not a gender. It represents both husband and wife and no gender! Can we say "husband spouse" or "wife spouse"? Is marriage a gender? Male or female, boy or girl, man or woman is gender. Therefore, the word spouse is neutral and must be defined according context of the verses, ie. referring to wives.

        So.. where is the ayat to show that homosexual is exempted from the rules relating to "private parts"?

        Peace

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          Is this your ayat to show that homosexual is exempted from this rule? confused

          Yes

          By the way... when did spouses become a gender?

          Where did you learn "spouses" is a gender?

          Is marriage a gender?

          Is "perkahwinan" a gender? "man", "woman", lelaki? wanita?

          Indeed you always use non-Quranic definition for this terms.You mostly use english definition.So I confused

          I never said spouses is gender.

          If we intepretate verse 235-6 in our language

          "Dan para pria yang menjaga kemaluannya, kecuali terhadap pasangan (pria) mereka atau tangan kanan (ma malakat aymanukum), maka sesungguhnya dalam hali ini dia tiada tercela"

          The word "pasangan" in Arabic is azwaj or zawjah,and this word is male in gender/masculine.
          Quran indeed show some neutrality in gender

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            muslims
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            I never said spouses is gender.The word zawjah is can be male or female.

            Salam

            Do you capable of understanding what I'm saying to you?

            You just repeat what I've replied, and raising the same issue, over and over again.

            What have I said?

            Therefore, the word spouse is neutral and must be defined according context of the verses, ie. referring to wives.

            Now.. what is the context?

            The blue word is allazi mean which, who, whom, whose and this is masculine.

            See? you say it masculine... ie. it is referring to men...

            and the word "mates" or "spouses" is neutral.. it is not a gender.

            Therefore, the word "mates" or "spouses" must follow or be defined according to the context of "masculinity"

            Therefore, the word spouse is neutral and must be defined according context of the verses, ie. referring to wives.

            ie.... referring to "wives" or "spouses"

            Can you understand this?

            Now.. where is the ayat to show that homosexuals are exempted from the rule relating to "private parts"?

            Peace

            I never said spouses is gender.

            read again... and see how you contradict your own statements!

            The red word is azwaj or zawaj, means mate (mate can be husband or wife) and interestingly the red word is also masculine!!

            By the way... when did "spouses" become a gender?

            When did "mates" become a gender?

            Where did you learn "spouses" is a gender?

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              Do you capable of understanding what I'm saying to you?

              This supposed to be mine question to you.

              Now.. what is the context?

              Verses 235-6 and 7029-30 is not talking about homosexual YET.

              and the word "mates" or "spouses" is neutral.. it is not a gender.

              Yes and please remove english definition,The authorized Quran for human is in Arabic, so we may understand what is "mate" by see the Arabic text. not by using modern english dictionaries like you did so far.

              Therefore, the word "mates" or "spouses" must follow or defined to the context of "masculine"

              Of course,
              the example is
              What reason for Reformist translation to judge if the word yatim in 2220, 43, and 46 is male in gender ??
              The answer is http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605800.msg338096#msg338096

              ie.... referring to "wives" or "spouses"

              Can you understand this?

              I understand since long ago.But u keep use english definition, while Quran we used is in Arabic.

              Now.. where is the ayat to show that homosexuals are exempted from the rule relating to "private parts"?

              Too understand this question, you must answer first for why homosexual related to your private parts'rule.

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                Too understand this question, you must answer first for why homosexual related to your private parts'rule.

                Salam

                See how you keep repeating the same question?

                Let me prove to you...

                My question

                Do you agree homosexual have "private parts"?

                Your answer

                Yes I do.All human being have "private part".

                Therefore...

                Therefore, they are equally obliged to comply with this rule.

                UNLESS, you can show me an ayat that they are exempted from this rule.

                Therefore the issue now is whether Allah exempted homosexual from the rule relating to "private parts"?

                and how many times I have asked you?

                Do you have an ayat to prove that they are exempted from this rule?

                give me an ayat to show that homosexual are exempted from the rule relating to "private parts".

                So.. where is the ayat to show that homosexual is exempted from the rules relating to "private parts"?

                Now.. where is the ayat to show that homosexuals are exempted from the rule relating to "private parts"?

                and yet.. you play dumb and ask the same question

                you must answer first for why homosexual related to your private parts'rule.

                see big red above, because homosexual have private parts!!!

                read main issue...

                The prohibition of homosexuality is very clear and detailed in the Qur'an

                ALL human beings have private parts (including homosexual)

                Therefore, Allah has permitted "marriage" and has forbidden everything else.

                Therefore, "same-sex-marriage" is prohibited since marriage is between man/woman
                and there is no such things as using "private parts" to anyone other than
                "wives" or "spouses".

                So.. what is the ayat to show that homosexuals are exempted from the rule relating to "private parts"?

                OR...

                Prove to me that homosexuals have no private parts! ;D

                Peace

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                  Ok I nearly give up

                  Please explain What is "extempting from this rule relating private parts"??

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                    muslims
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                    Ok I nearly give up

                    Please explain What is "extempting from this rule relating private parts"??

                    Salam

                    Exemption is an ayat from Allah than says homosexual "dikecualikan daripada peraturan tersebut"....

                    ex?empt (g-zmpt)
                    tr.v. ex?empt?ed, ex?empt?ing, ex?empts

                    1. To free from an obligation, a duty, or a liability to which others are subject exempting the disabled from military service.
                    2. Obsolete To set apart; isolate.

                    and...

                    Why give up?

                    Suddenly you realize you are making false claims in the name of Allah?

                    Do you realize when you intentionally hide or deny the truth, and people are reading your argument and believe in it, your repentance will not be accepted by Allah forever, UNTIL you explain to all those who have read your arguments that you are making a mistake and hiding the truth?

                    Sesungguhnya orang-orang yang menyembunyikan
                    apa yang telah Kami turunkan
                    berupa keterangan-keterangan (yang jelas) dan petunjuk
                    setelah Kami menerangkannya kepada manusia dalam Al Kitab
                    mereka itu dilaknati Allah
                    dan dilaknati (pula) oleh semua (mahluk) yang dapat melaknati
                    kecuali mereka yang telah taubat
                    dan mengadakan perbaikan
                    dan menerangkan (kebenaran) <- condition for repentance
                    maka terhadap mereka itulah
                    Aku menerima taubatnya
                    dan Akulah Yang Maha Menerima taubat lagi Maha Penyayang
                    (2159-160)

                    Just a friendly reminder, it is up to you but it will be grievous if you intentionally ignored the above ayat after being reminded.

                    Peace.

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                      Exemption is an ayat from Allah than says homosexual "dikecualikan daripada peraturan tersebut"....

                      Exemption = an ayat from Allah??
                      Which ayat talking about your "exemption".

                      This is your own tafseer?? and has nothing to do with mine.

                      Indeed Verses 235-6 and 7029-30 is not talking about homosexual YET

                      and...

                      Why give up?

                      Suddenly you realize you are making false claims in the name of Allah?

                      Do you realize when you intentionally hide the truth, and as long people are reading your argument and believe in it, your repentance is not acceptable by Allah, UNTIL you explain to all those who have read that you are making a mistake?

                      Sesungguhnya orang-orang yang menyembunyikan
                      apa yang telah Kami turunkan
                      berupa keterangan-keterangan (yang jelas) dan petunjuk
                      setelah Kami menerangkannya kepada manusia dalam Al Kitab
                      mereka itu dilaknati Allah
                      dan dilaknati (pula) oleh semua (mahluk) yang dapat melaknati
                      kecuali mereka yang telah taubat
                      dan mengadakan perbaikan
                      dan menerangkan (kebenaran) <- condition for repentance
                      maka terhadap mereka itulah Aku menerima taubatnya
                      dan Akulah Yang Maha Menerima taubat lagi Maha Penyayang
                      (2159-160)

                      You accuse me for hiding the God's verses and you order me to do taubat??
                      Discussion is about how each people with his own "truth" can archieve the "single truth".

                      Dont do fitnah to me, because fitnah is more worse than murder (2191).

                      Hence until now, we we still don't know who is the "true" one??

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                        Indeed Verses 235-6 and 7029-30 is not talking about homosexual YET

                        Salam

                        I just remind you, It is up to you, and it is your choice, which might cause you to regret for your entire life.

                        and...

                        Who is talking about homosexuals?

                        Do you read the main issue?

                        • Please, no rambling about Lut etc. I'm not discussing about "Lut's nation", but I'm discussing about the rules relating to "private parts". Therefore, please give your authority and clear verses that homosexual can use their "private parts" to anyone, other than "wives" or "spouses".

                        I'm talking about "homosexual who have private parts"

                        If they have no "private parts", they can ignore the rule.

                        This rule only apply to those who have "private parts"!

                        But since you have agreed that they have "private parts", then show me an ayat that they are exempted from the rule relating to "private parts"

                        Which ayat?

                        How many times I have to ask you, and how long you want to play dumb?

                        Peace

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                          I just remind you, It is up to you, and it is your choice, that you may regret for your entire life.

                          You may so, because you see anykind of case without wisdom.

                          and...

                          Do you read the main issue?

                          Who is talking about homosexuals?

                          You have many issues ang confusing language in your posts.
                          Yourself who talking about homosexual, like relating homosexual<=>strange private part rules.

                          This thread talk about gay, not your misreable arguments.

                          I'm talking about "homosexual who have private parts"

                          If they have no "private parts", they can ignore the rule.

                          But since you have agreed that they have "private parts", then show me an ayat that they are exempted from the rule relating to "private parts"

                          Which ayat?

                          First I want to ask.What's "private part" according to ur definition??
                          So I can understand your mindmaps corrrectly.

                          Please bapak, jangan bercanda kepada saya.

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                            muslims
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                            This thread talk about gay, not your misreable arguments.

                            First I want to ask.What's "private part" according to ur definition??
                            So I can understand your mindmaps corrrectly.

                            Please bapak, jangan bercanda kepada saya.

                            Salam

                            Fine, you understand every explanations and wish to distort the words in the Qur'an, according to your agenda.

                            What is "private parts" that is related to "spouses"?

                            How hard for you to understand that? confused

                            Further, your question is not even the issue which you are trying to distract from.

                            The issue is whether homosexuals have "private parts".

                            You yourself agrees that they have "private parts".

                            No one can deny this.

                            Therefore, they are equally obliged to comply with the rule relating to "private parts".

                            UNLESS...

                            1. You can show me the ayat that they are exempted from complying the rule relating to "private parts", OR

                            2. You can prove to me that homosexuals have no "private parts".

                            No. 2 is excluded since you have agreed that homosexuals have "private parts".

                            So.. where is the ayat to show that they are exempted from the rule relating to "private parts"?

                            Where is the ayat that Allah sets them free from this obligation, which others are subject?

                            Peace.

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                              Fine, you understand and wish to distort the words in the Qur'an, according to your agenda.

                              My agenda is see the homosexual case with wisdom and 3adil, so no parties can feel aggrieved.

                              http//4.bp.blogspot.com/-e1R5El-bxIE/T8Wxski2J_I/AAAAAAAAHhw/UhXBhSDb9Rs/s320/lesbian.jpg
                              http//pbs.twimg.com/media/BBWmn_8CEAAlk3a.jpglarge

                              Now I ask, by seeing ths kinds of photo, you suddenly feel emotion withouh anykind of wisdom prespective??

                              What is "private parts" that is related to "spouses"?

                              How hard for you to understand that? confused

                              Please this is not market debate.Why yu keep relating homosexual with priivate part rules??

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                                My agenda is see the homosexual case with wisdom and 3adil, so no parties can feel aggrieved.

                                Now I ask, by seeing ths kinds of photo, you suddenly feel emotion withouh anykind of wisdom prespective??

                                Please this is not market debate.Why yu keep relating homosexual with priivate part rules??

                                Salam

                                How is all that related to my question?

                                Are you playing dumb, or you are really dumb? confused

                                And you cannot guide
                                the blind away from their error
                                You will only make hear
                                those who believe in Our verses
                                so they are Muslims .
                                (3053)

                                and...

                                So that is your principle?

                                Causing or assisting corruption on earth so people see you as person of wisdom?

                                Is that what you want people to see you?

                                Is this the idea of righteousness to you?

                                From a sectarian perspective?

                                So that people can idol you?

                                So you can become a hero?

                                For praise?

                                That's it?

                                And do not exchange My signs for a small price
                                and fear Me
                                241

                                So direct your face toward the deen, inclining to truth
                                the fitrah of Allah upon which He has created people
                                No change should there be in the deen of Allah
                                That is the correct deen
                                but most of the people do not know
                                (3030)

                                Indeed, your Lord is most knowing
                                of who has gone astray from His way
                                and He is most knowing of the guided
                                Then DO NOT obey the deniers <- REFER HERE, are they Muslim?
                                They wish that you would soften
                                so they would soften
                                And do not obey
                                every worthless habitual swearer
                                scorner, going about with malicious gossip
                                A preventer of good
                                transgressing
                                and sinful
                                Cruel, moreover
                                and an illegitimate pretender
                                (687-13)

                                and how many times you are using deception to avoid the issue... raising one after another?

                                see for yourself... doesn't look like a muslim or believer at all

                                Do you have an ayat to prove that they are exempted from this rule?

                                give me an ayat to show that homosexual are exempted from the rule relating to "private parts".

                                So.. where is the ayat to show that homosexual is exempted from the rules relating to "private parts"?

                                Now.. where is the ayat to show that homosexuals are exempted from the rule relating to "private parts"?

                                But since you have agreed that they have "private parts", then show me an ayat that they are exempted from the rule relating to "private parts"

                                Which ayat?

                                So.. where is the ayat to show that they are exempted from the rule relating to "private parts"?

                                So.. where is the ayat to show that they are exempted from the rule relating to "private parts"?

                                Peace

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                                  and how many times you are using deception to avoid the issue... raising one after another?

                                  see for yourself... doesn't look like a muslim or believer at all

                                  Homosexual is interesting topic, because this is very crusial, to determine the homosexual's position within Islam.
                                  So that's why I keep interested to get discussion with you patiently.
                                  If this is not about homosexual or other crusial problems, I will be dead interested for get discussion like this.

                                  I try to be patients for minutes, and I try to ask what is the meanign of "exemption from private rules"

                                  I don't problem with the english meaning, but to avoid missintepretation, I ask you to explain your question in simple meaning.
                                  But the result, yu just call me dumb.

                                  Please introspection, Do you think your posts can be easily understand by others??

                                  NOTEC'mon bro, lets not create conflict like say dumb or something.I dont want create "enemy" in this forum especially to you.
                                  Even you're an Arab, you're a Malaysian, you're my family.Let's think about the future of Quranist development in Nusantara.

                                  Peace

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                                    muslims
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                                    Homosexual is interesting topic, because this is very crusial, to determine the homosexual's position within Islam.
                                    So that's why I keep interested to get discussion with you patiently.
                                    If this is not about homosexual or other crusial problems, I will be dead interested for get discussion like this.

                                    I try to be patients for minutes, and I try to ask what is the meanign of "exemption from private rules"

                                    I don't problem with the english meaning, but to avoid missintepretation, I ask you to explain your question in simple meaning.
                                    But the result, yu just call me dumb.

                                    Please introspection, Do you think your posts can be easily understand by others??

                                    NOTEC'mon bro, lets not create conflict like say dumb or something.I dont want create "enemy" in this forum especially to you.
                                    Even you're an Arab, you're a Malaysian, you're my family.Let's think about the future of Quranist development in Nusantara.

                                    Salam

                                    I'm not saying, I'm asking you. There is difference between "saying" it and "asking".

                                    and...

                                    How hard to understand ABC?

                                    |
                                    Premise 1

                                    |
                                    The Qur'an says men must guard their "private parts" except from their spouses/wives

                                    |
                                    Premise 2

                                    |
                                    Gays are men and have "private parts"

                                    |

                                    |

                                    |
                                    Therefore (rule)

                                    |
                                    Gays must guard their "private parts" except from their spouses/wives

                                    |

                                    |

                                    This is written rule in the Qur'an, sound and clear!

                                    No one can change this rule.

                                    Therefore and to escape this rule, you must bring one verse showing that they are exempted from the rule relating to "private parts"? (the above rule)

                                    You must show that Allah sets them free from this obligation, which others are subject.

                                    Example

                                    General rule, 1 wife
                                    Exception/exemption 4 wives

                                    General rule Cannot eat flesh swine
                                    Exception/exemption Can eat during emergency

                                    How hard can that be? confused

                                    Therefore, I believe it is not that you don't understand, but you don't have the verse to prove that homosexual are exempted from the rule relating to "private parts"!

                                    No one can deny this!

                                    Whoever read the Qur'an knew there is no such verse.

                                    And you have ask and receive my answer. I also have answered all your objections, to your satisfaction. Yet you just raise one issue to the other to distract from the main issue. Raising an irrelevant issues to our discussion.

                                    Therefore, I believe you are just playing tricks or playing dumb!

                                    Or...

                                    Maybe you refused to understand, despite you have nothing else to object. Just to feed your ego.

                                    Or...

                                    Maybe you really don't understand. You are not fit for discussion because you cannot understand what is being discussed, or cannot understand simple logic.

                                    Or...

                                    Allah don't want you to understand, for any reason, and no one can help you.

                                    Allah knows best.

                                    Take one or two days or any number of days of your choice and read all over again carefully.

                                    (from here, including the links)

                                    We discuss it later.

                                    Maybe that is best for you.

                                    Peace.

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                                      One of the reason, the discussion cannot further, because some missunderstanding.

                                      Premise 1
                                      The Qur'an says men must guard their "private parts" except from their spouses/wives
                                      Premise 2
                                      Gays are men and have "private parts"

                                      Therefore
                                      Gays must guard their "private parts" except from their spouses/wives

                                      As I said multiple times, if zawjaz is neutral in gender.So the contex is just not merely malw-female relationship.

                                      This can also like this "Men must guard their "private parts" except from their spouses/male mates"

                                      General rule, 1 wife
                                      Exception/exemption 4 wives

                                      General rule Cannot eat flesh swine
                                      Exception/exemption Can eat during emergency

                                      No verses, talking about same gender relationship as general rule, but Allah also never said directly if homosexual is to be condemned.
                                      Even in 2755's case, this is just missintepretation according to me.

                                      Maybe you are not fit for discussion because you cannot understand what is being discussed, or cannot understand simple logic.

                                      Because you keep force your own rules to me and in the fact I have different intepretation of the Quran from you.

                                      Peace

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                                        muslims
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                                        Salam

                                        You repeat the same question, which I have answered.

                                        Refer below and see how you contradict your own statement.

                                        Please read again here.

                                        http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605924.msg341307#msg341307

                                        http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605924.msg341309#msg341309

                                        By the way, don't rely too much on your Ajami Arabic and/or modern/persian grammar?

                                        and.. since the Qur'an is in the Quraish Dialect .. and it has been more 1,400 years.

                                        Therefore, try also to understand the context, apply wisdom and clear thinking! (as what you have said).

                                        In conclusion..

                                        Wisdom and Clear Thinking = No Contradiction With Other Rules!

                                        By the way.. do you agree with this ayat?

                                        Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an?
                                        If it had been from other than Allah
                                        they would have found within it much contradiction
                                        (482)

                                        I'm out for a while.

                                        Peace

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                                          Quraish Dialect & al-Quran

                                          4458 Certainly, (O Prophet) We have made this Qur?an easy in your tongue, in order that they may take it to heart.

                                          6940 This is the revealed Word in the dialect of a noble Messenger.

                                          8119 This is the revealed Word in the dialect of a noble Messenger.

                                          How was mankind robbed of God?s Final revelation? He Himself extols this revelation, ?And this grace of your Lord is better than all the treasures that they may amass.? By robbing I mean giving alien, erroneous and misleading meanings and concepts to the original matchless, powerful and glorious Qur?anic terms. Here is how it happened

                                          The First Dilemma

                                          While the language of the Qur?an remained untouched, its words and terms were made to lose the splendor they so beautifully conveyed in the original, revealed Arabic. So much so, that the Qur?anic terms were dressed up with the erroneous philosophies prevalent in the once Zoroastrian culture of Persia, and they became widely accepted even among the Arabs!

                                          This staggering tragedy explains why, how and where, even the Arabic speaking people lose their touch with the Qur?an! The Book describes this staggering tragedy very clearly,

                                          2530 And the Messenger will say, ?O My Lord! These are my people, the ones who had disabled this Qur?an making it of no account.?

                                          This ill treatment of the Divine message and the subsequent lling of the void with conjecture is THE cause of the Muslim downfall on a Global scale.

                                          Any nation that holds on to this Divine Writ in letter and spirit can build a Paradise on earth. The early Islamic history is a great testimonial to this claim, but we will explore this point a little further.

                                          How, then, do the others continue to make progress? Naturally, a very important question arises here. In the last several centuries, the West and many other non-Muslim countries have been making spellbinding advances in education, science and technology and in their governmental systems without the Qur?an! The short answer is that they have been using well their faculties of reason and intellectual inquiry.

                                          Another very signicant factor has been quietly playing its role in this regard. The Qur?an has been, perceptibly and imperceptibly, making a Universal impact on human civilization during the last fourteen centuries. The celebrated French surgeon, thinker and historian, Robert Briault (1876-197 has very convincingly elaborated this fact in his remarkable work, ?The Making of Humanity.?

                                          But Muslims, after disabling the Divine revelation, have also allowed their intellect to paralyze. They have fallen easy prey to the utterly senseless dogmas fabricated centuries after the exalted Prophet and his noble companions.

                                          However, the rule stands for all that the Last revelation of God economizes human eort (Sir Allama Iqbal). It can give them eminence they have never imagined before, scientic and moral achievements side by side, in a short span of time without having to go through the prolonged ordeal of learning through trial and error. And thus, they can adopt a progressive system of life that embraces all that is good, promoting the well-being of humanity, while avoiding all that is evil and harmful. Furthermore, this Revealed System of Life is fully sustainable and durable.

                                          How Does The Current Arabic Rob The Qur?an?

                                          4458 Certainly, (O Prophet) We have made this Qur?an easy in your tongue, in order that they may take it to heart.

                                          6940 This is the revealed Word in the dialect of a noble Messenger.

                                          8119 This is the revealed Word in the dialect of a noble Messenger.

                                          It is of paramount importance to know that the mentioned dialect is not extinct. It is very much alive and well in the Pre-Islamic and ?Para-Islamic? poetry and well preserved in some good dictionaries such as Tajil ?Uroos, Lisanil ?Arab, Qamoos, Lane?s Lexicon, Al-Mufridaat Fi Ghareebil Qur?an and Lughaatil Qur?an. The rst of these practically embraces the next two and the last one is from Arabic to Urdu. Edward Lane?s Lexicon is primarily based on Tajil ?Uroos. The role of the desert nomads, especially in the Empty Quarter, has already been mentioned.

                                          I will keep this discourse brief since nothing is more convincing than citing relevant examples. Plenty of such examples are given throughout the rendition for the reader to see for himself how the Ajami (Non-Arab, and more specically, non-Qur?anic) concepts rob the Qur?anic terms of their clarity, power and grandeur.

                                          Herein are given only a few of those examples

                                          ? Taqwa is usually translated as Righteousness, goodness, avoiding evil, God-consciousness, warding

                                          o evil, piety, fearing God, doing good etc. Now a non-Muslim, or even a bright Muslim youngster may ask, ?Well, the Qur?an in the very beginning claims that it is a guidance for the righteous, the God-conscious, he who wards o evil, the pious, he who fears God, one who does good works. But, why should such people need any guidance??

                                          The answer lies in the Quraish dialect that describes Taqwa as walking in security, like someone who strolls through a garden but watches his garment against getting entangled in bushes and thorns. All of a sudden the verse now makes beautiful sense, that the Qur?an is a Guide to those who wish to journey through life in honor and security.

                                          Manyyasha is almost invariably translated as ?whatever God wills.? Since this term appears in the Qur?an very frequently, its wrong translation lays down the foundation of ?Fatalism? in Islam. Such erroneous translations can only convey abject messages and results like this ?God honors whomever He wills and humiliates whomever He wills.? Or, ?God sends astray whomever He wills and guides whomever He wills.? An intelligent reader has every right to ask, ?Why then did God reveal His message in the rst place??

                                          The original Qur?anic meaning of Manyyasha is, ?according to His laws?. God has appointed laws for success vs failure, and for guidance vs straying.
                                          Such terms as Sayyeh, Ithm, Zanb, Fisq, ?Udwaan and the like are all blanketed together as the vague term ?SIN?. I have let the Qur?an explain the true meanings of each term repeatedly in the text, at times in parentheses.

                                          Zulm has almost always been given a very vague meaning, ?wrongdoing?. But the Qur?anic concept of Zulm is extremely clear and appealing To displace something from its rightful place ? to harm one?s own self ? violation of human rights ? oppression ? relegating the truth ? to hurt anyone. These meanings become crystal clear in their context in every single related verse.

                                          Hasanah, Khair, Saalehat, ?Amal-e-Saaleh, Birr etc are all blanketed together as the vague ?good deeds?. The correct Qur?anic meanings I have incorporated in the text at the relevant places.

                                          In addition, the true Qur?anic understanding of terms such as Adam, Angels, Satan, Jinn, Salaat, Zakaat, Saum, Hajj, The Unseen, The Occult Phenomena, Belief, Kufr, Resurrection, The Law of Requital, Duniya, The Hereafter, Haraam, Halaal, Jihad, Islam, Iman, and many more will repeatedly be found in the text just as the Qur?an explains them.

                                          The Second Dilemma

                                          It occurred when the commentators of the Qur?an, centuries after its revelation, tried to connect every verse with a certain historical event, calling the process Shaan-e-Nuzool (Circumstances of a revelation.) Here the words and terms of the Qur?an were given tailor-made meanings to t the supposed story, with total disregard to their original vibrant meanings, concepts and messages.

                                          This deplorable practice only serves to bind the verses of the Timeless Qur?an to some supposed incidents and chain the Word of God in another set of shackles!

                                          A very signicant Islamic jurist, Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (d. 241 AH) in those early times saw the chaos and raised a very strong voice against this awful practice, ?Three kinds of books are absolutely unfounded, Maghaazi, Malaahem and Tafseer? -(The exalted Prophet?s battles, his dreams, and expositions of the Qur?an done by ancient scholars).

                                          Worst of all, and inevitably so, this conjecture of Shaan-e-Nuzool was attributed to the exalted Prophet and his noble companions. This led people into believing that this was how they (the Prophet and his companions) used to understand the Qur?an! So, the foundation of an Islamic decline was laid down and mankind was robbed of the Supreme Gift of guidance bestowed upon them by the Creator!

                                          Now The Third Dilemma

                                          The later generations of translators and commentators have uncritically followed the men of old and this tendency has been consistently taking its noxious toll. They have been thinking of the Ajami Arabic as the known Language of the Qur?an. By Ajami Arabic I mean applying the Zoro-Persian or any alien concepts to the Arabic words and terms of the Qur?an.

                                          Please recall that this deplorable practice of ?Shaan-e-Nuzool? was given legitimacy during the Abbasid Dynasty to the extent that the alien, empty and erroneous concepts given to the Qur?anic terms became widely known and well accepted. The Mighty Word of God, the great Equalizer of humanity, threatened the personal interests of the elite, whereas a ?disabled? Qur?an very well suited the ulterior motives of the Royalty, the Elite and the Islamic priesthood. A formidable coalition of this ?eternally? sinister TRIO thus made inroads into Islam and supported each other toward a common goal, that is, exploitation and enrichment at the expense of the masses who, in turn, violated one another?s, and particularly women?s rights.

                                          The later commentators whether Arabs or non-Arabs, have since looked at the Qur?an with the tinted glasses of the earlier Mufassireen (commentators or exponents.) This dilemma has only helped perpetuate the pathetic state of mental slavery of the ?Islamic? world to this day.

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