My islamic calendar
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Thanks to brother ayman, we know that shahr mean full moon.
Peace noshirk -- are you sure, how does one fast it or fight in it i.e. during single full-moon?
2185.... so from/who affirm/witness from among you al-shr/the lunar cycle (singular) so to fast/abstain it...
2217 they asking you about al-shr/the lunar cycle (singular) the haraam/prohibited fight in it say fight in it immense...What about the year ?
Which word is year exactly, solar/lunar?
These verses can only mean lunar year.
105 he the one made the sun illuminate and the moon a light and calculated it (masculine i.e. the moon) phases to know yeh number al-snyn/the years (lunar) and the account not create the god such except in the truth expounds the signs for folk knowing
1712 and made we the night and the daylight two signs so eliminate/erase we sign the night and made we sign the daylight visible that may seek yeh bounty from lord yours and know yeh number al-snyn/the years (lunar) and the account and every thing explained we it detailed
so erase we sign the night...
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What is the quranic name of a lunar month ?
A lunar month in quran is called sanaton, traduced by year.
296 And you will find them the most obsessive people regarding longevity; even more than the polytheists; each one of them wishes that he could live a thousand sanaton. It will not change for him the retribution even if he lived so long, God is watchful over what you do.
Thousand sanaton is about 80 years.
2914 And We had sent Noah to his people, so he stayed with them one thousand sanaton less fifty years. Then the flood took them while they were wicked.
So Noah stayed about 30 years between his people (1000 sanaton=81 years-50 years)
Noah never lived 950 years.1825 And they remained in their cave for three hundred sanaton, and increased by nine.
300 sanaton=exactly 25 years with decimals
40 x lunar months = 3.23 years (does a 3 year old reach maturity?)
4615 and enjoined we the human with parents his kindness carried him mother his unwillingly and gave birth him unwillingly and carried him and separation his thirty shra/lunar cycle of until when reached peak his and reached forty snh/age said lord grant me that I thank grace yours the one blessed thou to me and on parents mine and that do work righteous of which please you and correct for me in offspring mine that I perish to you and that I from the muslimuna/peacemakers
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Peace all and thank you brother noshirk for some interesting new points.
Peace noshirk -- are you sure, how does one fast it or fight in it i.e. during single full-moon?
Please note that generally, moon seems full for 3 days each lunar month and begin insilakh at the fourth day. This is an another subject about how much saoum and Hajj lasts.
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Peace all and thank you brother noshirk for some interesting new points.
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Peace noshirk -- are you sure, how does one fast it or fight in it i.e. during single full-moon?Quote from noshirk on Today at 093300 am
Please note that generally, moon seems full for 3 days each lunar month and begin insilakh at the fourth day. This is an another subject about how much saoum and Hajj lasts.Peace Timur -- please clarify if 3 days fast and no fighting; need to be consistent each verse.
2234 and the ones are dying from among you and leaving spouses of should wait by themselves four ashr/lunar cycles and ten of...
How long should they wait; 4 x 3 days full-moon = 12 days and 10 what exactly?
973 night the deliberation better from thousand shr/lunar cycle
Which is it?
1000 x 3 days full-moon = 8.21 years
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Peace Noon waalqalami.
2234 and the ones are dying from among you and leaving spouses of should wait by themselves four ashr/lunar cycles and ten of...
How long should they wait; 4 x 3 days full-moon = 12 days and 10 what exactly?
No, You should wait until you have seen 4 different full-moons plus 10 days. These 10 days are frequently mentioned in the qur'an.
973 night the deliberation better from thousand shr/lunar cycle
Which is it?
1000 x 3 days full-moon = 8.21 years
OR 1000 lunar cycles = 80.85 yearsLaylat ul-qadr (The ramadan fullmoon night) is better than a thousand different fullmoon nights, not any 8.21 years.
I admit 80.85 years - hinting to a lifetime - seems to be a possibilty, too.
Maybe shahr can mean both "fullmoon" and "lunar cycle around one fullmoon"="lunar month". Maybe this explains why there are two different plurals of shahr in the qur'an ashhur and shuhuur, shuhuur meaning full moons and ashhur meaning lunar cycles around full moons. I think there must be a logical explanation for these two forms. What is yours?
The above is no definitive truth, only some thoughts of mine.
Peace.
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Peace Timur,
No, You should wait until you have seen 4 different full-moons plus 10 days. These 10 days are frequently mentioned in the qur'an.
No, days are not mentioned in the verse.
2234 ... four ashr/lunar cycles and ten of/for...
If ashr (leading alif denotes plural) means full-moons, they should wait/not remarry 4 full-moons + 10 = 14 full-moons.
If ashr means lunar cycles or 4 time-lengths moon phase to the same phase + 10 phases = 4 lunar months + 10 days.Example choose any date of her husband's passing e.g. tonight.
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Thus she waits until 4 the same moon phase + 10 nightly phase changes is my current understanding.
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Laylat ul-qadr (The ramadan fullmoon night) is better than a thousand different fullmoon nights, not any 8.21 years.
I admit 80.85 years - hinting to a lifetime - seems to be a possibilty, too.
Again, it needs to be consistent; single full-moon night makes 1 or 3 day fast and no fight in it?
2185 ... so from/who affirm/witness from among you al-shr/the lunar cycle (singular) so to fast it (i.e. the lunar cycle) and from/who is illness of or on journey so count from days other...
2217 they asking you about al-shr/the lunar cycle (singular) the prohibited fight in it say fight in it immense...
Maybe shahr can mean both "fullmoon" and "lunar cycle around one fullmoon"="lunar month". Maybe this explains why there are two different plurals of shahr in the qur'an ashhur and shuhuur, shuhuur meaning full moons and ashhur meaning lunar cycles around full moons. I think there must be a logical explanation for these two forms. What is yours?
They are same; verse 936 ties count al-shwr (pl.) to 12 shra (singular) from it (i.e. count) 4 prohibited.
936 surely count al-shwr/the lunar cycles (pl.) near the god two ten (twelve) shra/lunar cycle of (noun) in book the god day creation the heavens and the earth from it four prohibited such the practice the value so not wrong yeh in them souls yours and fight yeh the idolaters all as what they fight you all and know yeh that the god with the righteous
Issue is which 4 exactly since they can vary be any of 12 with numerous combinations?
http//www.mathsisfun.com/combinatorics/combinations-permutations-calculator.html
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40 x lunar months = 3.23 years (does a 3 year old reach maturity?)
4615 and enjoined we the human with parents his kindness carried him mother his unwillingly and gave birth him unwillingly and carried him and separation his thirty shra/lunar cycle of until when reached peak his and reached forty snh/age said lord grant me that I thank grace yours the one blessed thou to me and on parents mine and that do work righteous of which please you and correct for me in offspring mine that I perish to you and that I from the muslimuna/peacemakers
Salaam Noon
Rochd is a relative notion and depends on what we are asked to do.
Rochd is linked to age of marriage in 4-6 and to age were orphans can take their inheritage. 40 years seems too late.3 years and half old is sufficient for rochd to thanks parent and have a beginning knowledge of god.
I know many childs that can do what it is said in 46-15.
please see here http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605273.msg32575at forty, many are unbelievers while at 3 and half, we were quite all believers, with quite no bullshits in mind.
Peace
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Peace Timur,
Again, it needs to be consistent; single full-moon night makes 1 or 3 day fast and no fight in it?
Salaam again
in fact there is two kind of periods linked to hajj and saoum
there is absolutely no reason to consider that period of saoum is equal to periode of Hajj.
it is another subject but i tend actually to think that saoum=3 days and hajj=10 days.
Howeve, for that, we have to study accurately meaning of saoum and hajj and what is the aim of each duty.
Please note that never quran said that we have to do hajj at least once in a life.Peace
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Salaam Noon
Rochd is a relative notion and depends on what we are asked to do.
Rochd is linked to age of marriage in 4-6 and to age were orphans can take their inheritage. 40 years seems too late.3 years and half old is sufficient for rochd to thanks parent and have a beginning knowledge of god.
I know many childs that can do what it is said in 46-15.
please see here http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605273.msg32575at forty, many are unbelievers while at 3 and half, we were quite all believers, with quite no bullshits in mind.
Peace
Salam ,
The verse 46-15 is pointing to
al-Ashud , al-shidah / mean body strength , forcenot
al-rushd , al-rashad / mean heart maturity , reason , wiser ,
the rushed / maturity is required to be noticed in orphans to to have their money back to get married as per 4-6 , it's evident from the quran that the age of marriage so that orphans get their money is linked to both signs
al-rushd , al-rashad / mean heart maturity , reason , wiser ( and that as 4-6 )
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al-Ashud , al-shidah / mean body strength , force ( and that as per 6-152 and 17-34 )
Why both al-rushd / maturity and al-shidah/ strength are required ?
Because a boy can reach body strength ( ashudah ) without being mature intelectualy ( rushdah ) so he should not yet get the money because no maturity and intellectual stability , good reasoning noticed and that judgement is as per 4-5 , this boy or men is called safih mean off one's nut or Ribald or impertinent .
So as per member noshirk statement regarding the word sanah ( a year ) , the 40 sanah ( years ) in 46-15 is equal to 3.3 years as member Noon noticed .
Lets assume a 3.3 years old boy reach maturity as member noshirk stated ( 40 sanah in al*quran equal to 3.3 solar years ) so the little boy can get married and have children and look after them and look after his wife , go to work and so on and on ....which is extremely non sens and laughing at readers inelegance .
Does the 3.3 "solar year" boy reach strengths too ? as per the word al-Ashud , al-shidah / mean strength and body force mentioned in 46-15 / 28-14 / 6-152 / 12/22 , if so we should expect 2 and 3 years old boy look like this
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Even with mega mass product you can't reach strength at the age of 3.3 old , and even if you did by all sort of genetic modification , you still didn't reach the age of maturity . -
salaam el kitab
4615 And We enjoined man to do good to his parents. His mother bore him with hardship, gave birth to him in hardship, and his bearing and weaning lasts thirty months. So that, when he has reached his "body strength", and he has reached forty sanaton, he says My Lord, direct me to appreciate the blessings You have bestowed upon me and upon my parents, and to do good work that pleases You. And let my progeny be righteous. I have repented to You; I am of those who have submitted.
Well, it is interesting to note that context of verse is placed around pregnancy and childhood.
9 months
30 months
40 months or jump directly to 40 years ?the fact is that what a "40 sanaton" old is asked to do in 46-15 can be done by a 3,3 years old child.
40 years olds is definitively too old for what is asked in 46-15.
Einstein wrote his relativity book at 26 years old.
Einstein isn't know to take "mega mass products"It is interesting to note also that 99,99% of all "high competition athletes" are "retired" at 40 years old.
The "maximum age of strenght" at 40 years is quite comical.
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salaam el kitab
4615 And We enjoined man to do good to his parents. His mother bore him with hardship, gave birth to him in hardship, and his bearing and weaning lasts thirty months. So that, when he has reached his "body strength", and he has reached forty sanaton, he says My Lord, direct me to appreciate the blessings You have bestowed upon me and upon my parents, and to do good work that pleases You. And let my progeny be righteous. I have repented to You; I am of those who have submitted.
Well, it is interesting to note that context of verse is placed around pregnancy and childhood.
9 months
30 months
40 months or jump directly to 40 years ?the fact is that what a "40 sanaton" old is asked to do in 46-15 can be done by a 3,3 years old child.
salam ,
So according to your claim the verse 4615 is understood according to you as so
Pregnancy + weaning = 30 months ( the months of pregnancy are included in the 30 months in the verse as per "hamloho / carrying him" not as you stated by 9 months of pregnancy separated )
According to you the 30 months child should reach only 3.3 years (40 lunar month ) so he reach body strength and maturity , get married ask allah to preserve his progeny !!!!!!!!!!!!?
If you take off 30 months of bearing ( pregnancy ) , breasting , weaning , from the 40 months (3.3 years) your child have 10 months left so to reach strength , maturity and get married and have children too , a 3.3 years old boy with children ? are you serious man ? If you argue that he is asking that for the future as he is not married yet when he said what he said in 4615 , how come a wiser boy of 3.3 years old saying all that wisdom in 4615 is waiting to not get married ? what he is waiting for ? you are automatically thinking because he is not matured yet and have strength for marriage , then your 3.3 years old theory collapse with the theory of Sanah/year equal to lunar month , because according to you maturity and strength are reached at the age of 3.3 .
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Your understanding of that subject is conditioned by your perception of growth/age/ physical condections as per modern age analysis where a 40 years old man is already old sick and retired with white hear due to way of life , genetically modified food , stress and so on and on ...
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Your understanding of the subject of maturity/al-rushd is also conditioned by your perception of inelegance as per your statement above regarding Einstein , someone can be very clever , analytically mind but still not mature / rashed , maturity is linked to conducts and behaviors , good works through correct thinking .
If you still persist about sanah/ year equal to lunar month , Can you kindly answer this questions
1- Is your 3.3 old man/boy theory for 4615 married or not ? does he has a progeny yet ?
2- You didn't find it logic to jump from 30 month to 40 years old , do you find it logic to jump from 3.3 years old to elders ?as per verses below ?- 40 - 67
4067 (It is He who created you from dust, then from a sperm-drop, then from a clinging clot; then He brings you out as a child; then that you reach your strength , then that you become elders. And among you is he who is taken in death before , so that you reach a specified term; and perhaps you will use reason.)
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225 (O People, if you should be in doubt about the Resurrection, then indeed, We created you from dust, then from a sperm-drop, then from a clinging clot, and then from a lump of flesh, formed and unformed - that We may show you. And We settle in the wombs whom We will for a specified term, then We bring you out as a child, and then that you may reach your strength . And among you is he who is taken in death, and among you is he who is returned to the most decrepit age so that he knows, after knowledge, nothing. And you see the earth barren, but when We send down upon it rain, it quivers and swells and grows of every beautiful kind.)
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salaam al kitab
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.According to this, Tifl should be traduced by newborn and not child.
Please note, in the verses you quoted, the "yokhrijakoum Tifl" wich clearly points that tifl is the "beginning", when we "get out".Now, a child of 3,3 years old can imagine himself as a parent.
Please see vendors of dolls.Peace
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Peace all,
wasn't there a theory that sanat means half a solar year (period between solstices or eqinoxes)? Anyone remembers a link? According to that theory the age of body strength would be 20 years, which sounds very reasonable to me. 3.3 years are by far to less, 40 years by far to much.
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Now, a child of 3,3 years old can imagine himself as a parent.
Salam noshirk ,
Can you kindly answer my 2 previous questions re-quoted below, and explain your logic accordingly .
If you still persist about sanah/ year equal to lunar month , Can you kindly answer this questions
1- Is your 3.3 old man/boy theory for 4615 married or not ? does he has a progeny yet ?
2- You didn't find it logic to jump from 30 month to 40 years old , do you find it logic to jump from 3.3 years old to elders ?as per verses below ? -
salam al kitab
All my life, i have understood sanaton as year and have read 46-15 as you read it now.
if we read 46-15 alone, then 40 yars explanations seems plausible.
but if we take into account the 950 years age of Noah and the 300 years of ahl el kahf, we have a problem.so, we have to choose between
1- 950 years, 300 years and 40 years
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2- 31 years, 25 years and 3,3 years.please note, given the equation of god about noah (1000 sanaton- 50years= duration of staying of Noah between his people), then
sanaton=3 months leads to noah about 130 years
sanaton =6 months leads to noah about 370 yearsfrom a mathematical point of view, the problem for me resume to
can 3,3 fit to 46-15 ?
and not to
which between 40 years and 40 months explanations is better for 45-16 taken alone ?Now, lets go back to what you wrote in red.
46-15 is not saying that the 40 sanaton is married.
4615 And We enjoined man to do good to his parents. His mother bore him with hardship, gave birth to him in hardship, and his bearing and weaning lasts thirty months. So that, when he has reached his "body strength", and he has reached forty sanaton, he says
1 - My Lord, direct me to appreciate the blessings You have bestowed upon me and upon my parents,
2 -and to do good work that pleases You.
3- And let my progeny be righteous.
4- I have repented to You; I am of those who have submitted.it is obvious that it is kind of prayer (doua and not salat) for what will happen in future.
so your question becomes is a 3,3 years old can project himself as parent and ask God to direct him and direct his future childs ?My answer is yes.
see this video of a 3 years old reciter of quran http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyVoOcZZ3cE
what do you think he is thinking doing ?
there is many like him.at three years old, childs like to play with dolls. Many Vendors of dolls recommand from 3 years and older.
What a doll if not a kind of projection of child to be a parent.i gave you this link http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605273.msg32575
there, we find thisIn his new book ?Born Believers The Science of Children's Religious Belief ? author, developmental psychologist and anthropologist Justin L. Barrett lists not only psychological experiments and studies, but information obtained by observing children. He provides evidence that even 12 months-old babies believe in God
12 month old believer ???
i prefer a 3,3 years old believer hypothesis to 950 years old man hypothesis.
Peace
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please note, given the equation of god about noah (1000 sanaton- 50years= duration of staying of Noah between his people), then
sanaton=3 months leads to noah about 130 years
sanaton =6 months leads to noah about 370 yearsoups!
Equation 1000 sanaton- 50 years= duration of staying of Noah between his people
sanaton=1 months => Noah lived about 30 years in his people
sanaton=3 months => Noah lived about 190 years in his people
sanaton=6 months => Noah lived about 430 years in his people
sanaton=12months => Noah lived about 950 years in his peoplePeace
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it is obvious that it is kind of prayer (doua and not salat) for what will happen in future.
so your question becomes is a 3,3 years old can project himself as parent and ask God to direct him and direct his future childs ?My answer is yes.
Salam Noshirk ,
What you formulate above in red wasn't my question at all , sorry to say that but You twist and deform my question to become look as what you have wrote above ,
There is difference between projecting someone self to something in the future and doing it or living among it .
my 1st question was
If you still persist about sanah/ year equal to lunar month , Can you kindly answer this questions
1- Is your 3.3 old man/boy theory for 4615 married or not ? does he has a progeny yet ?
see this video of a 3 years old reciter of quran http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyVoOcZZ3cE
what do you think he is thinking doing ?
there is many like him.at three years old, child's like to play with dolls. Many Vendors of dolls recommand from 3 years and older.
What a doll if not a kind of projection of child to be a parent.My 3th question
Can you kindly answer the following Do you think/ consider the boy in the link you provided married yet or no ? if so does he have children ( progeny ) ? how old you think his children are ?
No need to answer If you reject the concept of Sanah equal to one lunar month , and can you kindly review your calendar ? perhaps you bring something more accurate insha allah , and may allah guide us all to the accurate understanding and measurement regarding this topic .
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salam al kitab
Is your 3.3 old man/boy theory for 4615 married or not ? does he has a progeny yet ?
No and no. Hope it is clear.
and 46-15 don't say that the 40 sanaton is married yet or having yet progeny
as you know, not all 40 years have parents still alive, are married and have progenyNow, sanaton is a singular form
I don't know what is singular in your understanding. 12 lunars months ?
can i have your understanding ?
How can you proove that sanaton is what you think. Why not half a year ? it would fit better with the maximum "body strenght"Please note that balagha Achaddahou is used also here
6-152 and 17-34 Age in wich inhertance is given to orphans
10-22 age in which Youssef get "knowledge"
18-82 age in which the two orphans will find the treasure of their father
28-14 age in wich Moses "istawa" and get knowledge (verse before is speaking about baby Moses)so, if balagha achaddahou points to an age, you will have whatsoever to abandon 12 months theory.
Peace
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salam al kitab
Is your 3.3 old man/boy theory for 4615 married or not ? does he has a progeny yet ?
No and no. Hope it is clear.
and 46-15 don't say that the 40 sanaton is married yet or having yet progeny
as you know, not all 40 years have parents still alive, are married and have progenyNow, sanaton is a singular form
I don't know what is singular in your understanding. 12 lunars months ?
can i have your understanding ?
How can you proove that sanaton is what you think. Why not half a year ? it would fit better with the maximum "body strenght"Please note that balagha Achaddahou is used also here
6-152 and 17-34 Age in wich inhertance is given to orphans
10-22 age in which Youssef get "knowledge"
18-82 age in which the two orphans will find the treasure of their father
28-14 age in wich Moses "istawa" and get knowledge (verse before is speaking about baby Moses)so, if balagha achaddahou points to an age, you will have whatsoever to abandon 12 months theory.
Peace
Salam Noshirk ,
No need to repeat it as you only said it once .
I only want to show that the calendar you provided based in 3.3 years old in 4615 / a year equal to one lunar month is wrong and built upon a wrong basis , thank you for your sincere answer .
I Will inshallah share my views about the above .
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salaam alkitab
You have your calendar and i have mine.
i took into account 45-16 when i explained what sanaton means for me.
I took also into account the consequences "on the 40 sanaton" of exile of Bani Israel.But the funny thing is that, even if i took away all what is relative to word sanaton in the first post, it change absolutely nothing to the calendar i proposed. It is a simple detail.
The calendar i proposed is absolutely not based on word sanaton.
So even if you are right on your unknown understanding of word sanaton, you are totally wrong on what you believe have demonstrated.Peace