Still stuck with Traditional "Islam"?
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It is clear that the audio signal "ISLAM" is now correlated in meaning to
"A SPECIFIC TRADITION AMONG THOUSANDS IF NOT MILLIONS OF TRADITION EXIST WITHIN HUMAN SOCIETY TODAY".And it is clear as well that there are NUMBERS OF TRADITION competing for the SOLE-EXCLUSIVE-RIGHT to the name / trademark of ISLAM.
We are now lucky to live in "The Greatest Time" of human's history ever known.
Where for the first time, human from every corner of the planet can communicate with each others easily.
In Michio Kaku's lingo; "We're within a transformation period of becoming Type-1 Civilization, Planetary Civilization"The big ape now can discover OTHER TRADITION than their own, mostly because of their curiosity traits.
Once discovered, the big ape starts to do comparison between those tradition.And due to their "competitive nature" (which they learned from million years through the "Survivability of the Fittest", they
want to find THE BEST TRADITION, and for the sake of "survivability" they want THEIR OWN TRADITION to be the BEST TRADITION as thus becoming THE PLANETARY TRADITION. In order to do so; they need to show how OTHER TRADITION THAN THEIR OWN is A LESSER TRADITION and how THEIR OWN TRADITION is A GREATER TRADITION.Most probably there will not be A TRADITION which survive in it's original form to become "PLANETARY TRADITION".
Most probably THE PLANETARY TRADITION will be a NEW TRADITION resulting from the mixture of TRADITIONS.
This is clearly evident by observing THE ISLAM TRADITION came to shape about 1300-1400 years ago, THE ISLAM TRADITION is a mixed bag of Christianism, Judaism, Persian/Zoroastrianism and Arab Paganism Tradition.So the title is kind of misleading it should be renamed to "Still Stuck With Your Own Tradition?".
And yes of course you can mix Spanish with English.
English as a language will continue to evolve to fit specific human needs of communication.
And I've seen how english mixed with chinese and malay language today, which perhaps in about 100 years from now shall give birth to a new different language. The english language as we know today, is the result of mixture between Celt, Latin, Germanic and Nordic language.Salam / Peace
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there are those who have left traditional "Islam" but are actually still stuck with traditional "Islam" by still using Allah, ayat, sura instead of God, verse, chapter when speaking English.
The Deen of Islam is about...
- Obedience
- No division
He has made plain to you <-- Islam in a nutshell.
of the Din (l-dni)that keep to obedience <- "We hear, we obey
and be not divided therein <- "justly balanced" vs. sectarianism
(4213)The name of "Allah"/languages is NOT about...
- Obedience
- No division
Therefore, the name of "Allah"/languages is not about the Deen of Islam.
It is a matter of personal preferences
and "there is no compulsion in the deen". (2256) -
Salaam
Allah is not a proper noun but common noun.The characteristics of proper nouns is this words has neutral in gender and forbidden to be translated into another languages even it can.Example Muhammad.
The word "Allah" is masculine in gender and it's feminine form is "Allata" / (the main rules of feminine/muannatz is ta' in the last word).This word appeared in ayat 5319.
So this mean the word "Allah" can be transalted in another languages.
This is simply not open to debate . . . the word Allah - IS a proper noun - when referring to Allah as found in the Quran.
It is formed from a common noun. . . but that particular usage is not common noun.
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Your post is full of personal insults and only a little of contents of your post is point.
Perhaps when you are debating all you did "I am right, you are wrong" blablabla just like chimpanzees making noises at the zoos.
Go learn the history of the word Allah. Allah is has been used even before the Qur'an was revealed. Mostly used by idolaters.
Why don't you freaking know that there are also different versions of Quran with didactical marks? So what is it?
I did not say whether the Arabic word Allah is a proper name or not but it is stupid to say God has a personal names like humans. If you say Allah is a personal name of a deity then please feel free to say you love the moon-god Allah that the orientalists are talking about.
If you simply say "A is right because authority says so" without other points that it is a fallacy.
As for the diacritics, the diacritics were composed according to Qurayshi dialect. However, among the earliest Quran manuscripts that is known today was found in Yemen, without diacritics.
God did not wrote the letters of Quran and throw Quran from sky but God chose an Arab messenger. God inspired the Arab messenger through Gabriel and you know why Quran was in Arabic language.
You did not answer why Christian Arabs use Allah too?
It has been known in history that the word Allah has been existed even before 570 AD. It is always associated. with moon-god.
So far I have never met any arrogant Sunnis like this Sunni Chimpanzee.
You are not very well educated . . . you do not have command over your subject . . . and you have the stupidity to say
Go learn the history of the word Allah. Allah is has been used even before the Qur'an was revealed. Mostly used by idolaters.
No - I have learned the history of the word . . . along side being a competent scholar of Arabic and Islam.
Your posts are full of factual errors - when these are pointed out . . . you get unnecessarily angry and abusive. . .
It is completely pointless trying to talk to you. . .
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You have very little knowledge.
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You are clearly not educated.
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You are dogmatic - when presented with basic errors . . .
So what is the point?
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Why don't you freaking know that there are also different versions of Quran with didactical marks? So what is it?
If you do not understand what Vowel Marks are . . . then this discussion is completely pointless. Please - go and learn some basic Arabic.
I did not say whether the Arabic word Allah is a proper name or not but it is stupid to say God has a personal names like humans. If you say Allah is a personal name of a deity then please feel free to say you love the moon-god Allah that the orientalists are talking about.
This is just silly. The word "Allah" is a proper name. Fact. You will not any scholar who denies this.
"If you say Allah is a personal name of a deity then please feel free to say you love the moon-god Alla"
Why? You have not read any orientalists . . .that is obvious. I doubt thta you have EVER read a single such book.
If you simply say "A is right because authority says so" without other points that it is a fallacy.
Not really no - as I have said . . . you do not really what logical fallacies are . . .
What I said was this . . . " All authorities" agree that the word Allah is Proper Noun. Now which fallacy is for misrepresenting someone's vies?
As for the diacritics, the diacritics were composed according to Qurayshi dialect. However, among the earliest Quran manuscripts that is known today was found in Yemen, without diacritics.
Look - there is no point to it . . .you do not know what you are talking about and are completely wrong!
You did not answer why Christian Arabs use Allah too?
I do not need to really
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah
I think this will do you good!
It has been known in history that the word Allah has been existed even before 570 AD. It is always associated. with moon-god.
Again . . . incorrect. Read the above wiki page!
So far I have never met any arrogant Sunnis like this Sunni Chimpanzee.
Hmm . . . you are EVEN wrong over my user name!
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Peace,
When to call AllahAnd When to call Rubb, God
The Quran uses the word "Allah" when referring to the "One God" of the heavens and the earth and everything in between - all put together. Otherwise it is just the 'Rubb', meaning the God, inherently possessing all of the individual Attributes of Allah. Mostly when you seek from the earthly manifest things of Allah, delinking yourself from the hidden treasures of the heavens from where by Allah's command the mighty power descend in the abstract form to create every kind of produce for the living beings on the earth.
So when you call on Allah, know that you need a fresh creation that the world does not know thus far, discreetly as a Sign unto you from Him, Allah, to strengthen your peace or salam with Him, through His wisdom, to stand all alone in this world, and thus your Will is to be a Muslim unto Him. But if your need is of the created things or some of the visible produce that make your daily requirement for the living, call Allah as God and by His individual Attributes; or in other sense call on God when you seek from the Most Bountiful and the Most Benevolent out of what you know already as possessors of the earthly material knowledge, the idols.
Collectively calling on The One, by all His Attributes in mind, then it is "ALLAH" the only VOCABULARY, that encompasses the entire gamut of His Kingdom, the heavens and the earth and everything in between. And a Sign from Allah descends upon such of His bondsmen upon who He is pleased with the Sign having all of God's Attributes as an abstract power and as a stamp of His Authority. These are the Messengers who were chosen Muslims from among the mumins. No amount of dictionaries in the entire world with all their languages can get the glimpse of the meaning of the Word Allah. It shall have to be given to one's Ruh as a feel through Wahi by Allah.
Before you are chosen by Allah as Muslims seek from the state of your toddler's steps of being a mumin, from your God thus
2128 Our Rubb, O God, and make us Muslims unto You and from our descendants a Muslim nation unto You. And teach us our 'calling' and accept our repentance. Indeed, You are the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful.
Observe in the above ayat how Rubb or God is complimented with Allah's Attributes in the end of their 'calling'.
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This is simply not open to debate . . . the word Allah - IS a proper noun - when referring to Allah as found in the Quran.
It is formed from a common noun. . . but that particular usage is not common noun.
Arab-Christian use "Allah" in their Bible as well as this word also written in Arabic Psalm.
What base of ur theory, just because Allah is not portions of Al and Illah??RED So do you mean while in the Koran it's common noun while in the Psalm isn't? a coincidental?
BLUE This because of religious dogma.Salaam
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Arab-Christian use "Allah" in their Bible as well as this word also written in Arabic Psalm.
What base of ur theory, just because Allah is not portions of Al and Illah??RED So do you mean while in the Koran it's common noun while in the Psalm isn't? a coincidental?
BLUE This because of religious dogma.Salaam
Allah as reference to particular Muslim deity . . . is a Proper Noun. Fact
The term al-Ilah and even Allah has been long in usage
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah
The following Wiki article is surprisingly good.
Muslims name for God Allah is a particular reference to deity - hence it is a Proper Noun. I think you will that virtually all Scholars would regard it as a Proper Noun . . . despite its usage by various non-Muslim Arabs - this word in context to Muslims refers to a singular and unique entity.
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Peace,
This is so silly such as that God would have a chosen people and where Allah is their specific God. It is just a repetition of the mistakes of old. It is retarded that one cannot see this.
These people will not call you Muslim unless you follow their ways, i.e the conjecture and God. It is a sin just like the belief in the trinity.
Well, I call myself Muslim anyway and disregard those people. There would be no disagreements if people did not have their extra-religious teachings. If I am called a fake Muslim then God suffice me, to Him I will return.
The history just repeats itself as it always has.
Peace
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Peace diamantinehoneybunch, and fellow members
However, there are those who have left traditional "Islam" but are actually still stuck with traditional "Islam" by still using Allah, ayat, sura instead of God, verse, chapter when speaking English.
It seems that you are right. But I think it's better to focus on what we have in common, not our differences (i.e. that which can divide us). I think it's of crucial importance to stand for tolerance, inclusion, diversity and unity. Nevertheless, I think it's important to be aware of our differences so that we can understand each other better and create mutual respect. I have talked to a few muslims who claim to follow the Quran alone, but seem to still follow "traditional islam" (e.g. they adhere to many rituals and practices that aren't in the quran). I have also talked to a few muslims who claim to follow quran alone, but seem to have embraced "liberal islam" (e.g. they engage in heavy alcohol use regularly or once in a while and believe the quran allows physical/romantic relationships before marriage). Does the quran have some liberal views? Yes, it seems so. Does the quran urges humankind to follow "liberal islam"? No, it doesn't seem so. Does the quran have some tradtional views? Yes, it seems so. Does the Quran urges humankind to follow "traditional islam"? No, it doesn't seem so. A muslim who follows "islam derived from the quran", might not agree with all the views of "traditional muslims" or "liberal muslims." Regardless, I think it's of crucial importance to respect each others differences. Personally, I consider both traditional muslims and liberal muslims as my brothers and sisters. Also, I try to focus on what we have in common (e.g. our desire for freedom, justice, peace and equality), not on what makes us different.
For as long as I can remember, I have never rejected tradition for the sake of rejecting tradition. Also, I have never rejected liberal values for the sake of rejecting liberal values. I accept all traditions and liberal values that are compatible with the Quran. Neverthless, in my studies of the quran, I haven't found any verses in the Quran that urges humankind to be/become "traditional muslims" and follow "traditional islam." Also, I haven't found any verses in the quran that urges humankind to be/become "liberal muslims" and follow "liberal islam." So far I have only found quranic verses that urges humankind to be/become "muslims" and follow "islam derived from the quran." I am most willing and ready to change my view at any time, if I am proven wrong in my understanding of the quran with regard to this. If there is strong quranic evidence which suggests that the Quran urges humankind to become "liberal muslims" or "traditional muslims", then I'll become a "liberal muslim" or a "traditional muslim" in no time.
Btw, I'd like to share an article with you all. The title of the article is "Modernization or Westernization." I found the article interesting and educational.