3 times Salat (2+1) in Qur'an, 2 page PDF with Color Charts.
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You hijack topics . . . when questioned you turn very vile and nasty.
I was not even talking to you but the other people of this forum. Well, I was warned because of my harsh responses to you, so now I will only reject you in a more subtle manner. It is not worth being banned over this.
How do you know "Salah" means "Communion or similar"? Where did you get that?
It is a simple question . . .I am not swearing, insulting or whatever . . . I am asking a question.
From study of the root word and simple comparisons based on the context in The Book. It was not really rocket science.
How is it easy. How do you know?
Because man complicates things. Lots of conjecture. It has happened in the past and it happens now.
Peace out
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From study of the root word and simple comparisons based on the context in The Book. It was not really rocket science.
I would like to know more. . .
Because man complicates things. Lots of conjecture. It has happened in the past and it happens now.
I don't get what this means? I really do not.
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I would like to know more. . .
I don't get what this means? I really do not.
Peace,
There is no time to explain anything at this time. I might bring that up in the Nearness and Guidance thread at some point.
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Salaam
Salah basically means like Communion or similar. At least that is the simplest possible explanation for the word and the possibility to use this term in the context so it always makes sense. But I must agree that the word seems to connote many different things in the same word much like Islam and Muslim. I personally found Mindful/mindfulness within the same boundaries, it is like a data uplink to God.
Maybe I can agree with the chimp, but remember I'm neutral in here and not belong to any sects (including Sunni).
Actually there is no verses in the Quran which said if salah is bowing-prostating ritual or even communion.
Like I said we even didn't know if salah is a ritual prayer if we keep rely upon Quran only.
Quranites actualy must said "thanks" to hadithers beause they know if salah is ritual prayers by hadith theaching actually.In Quran the word salah and bow-prostate-kneeling even written separately,
Example 243 And hold Assalat, and contribute towards purification, and kneel with those who kneel.People who uphold Quran only withouth knowing hadith at all before, may think if Assalat and kneel-prostate is two separate things.
245 And seek help by patience and salat the contact prayer.It is a difficult thing, but not so for the humble.
Once again if people who know nothing bout another narrations beside Quran, will think if salat in 245 is not a physiccal ritual but just a humble pray.
May God bless you
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Peace Earthdom,
Nothing indicates any intricate ritual but a more or less straightforward meaning of being mindful, keeping a tie and mindfulness of God by the word Salah. Impossible to get away from that fact without adding a lot of conjecture. Even the root word has very simple uses in everyday Arabic.
I also analyzed some verses in chapter 9 and if it means the uniform ritual of Muslims today then the religion is dogmatic and zealous based on a view of The Book. In that case I would deem The Book as false, but since the meaning of salah is more simple than that I cannot falsify The Book on that basis.
You know I have no expertise in Arabic and I do not claim that, but I apply logic and reason when interpreting the Message and the basic values of God.
But if you desire to give Salah a ritualistic meaning then go ahead, but it does not seem to suit the Message and the context in my opinion.
I am not a The Book or Islam freak as you know and I do not idolize The Book and I evaluate it to the best of my ability and I only want to follow God and not conjecture due to manly interpretations. However I found the ancient Arabic passages to have a high degree of divine influence and therefore I study this book.
I also use information from other religions in my research for the true path because I do not deem the Message exclusive to the Arabs as even God adds in The Book. And the Message is incredibly simple by only include absolute mindfulness of God and belief and service to Him by being good and working against evil.
God bless you
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Peace Earthdom,
Nothing indicates any intricate ritual but a more or less straightforward meaning of being mindful, keeping a tie and mindfulness of God by the word Salah. Impossible to get away from that fact without adding a lot of conjecture. Even the root word has very simple uses in everyday Arabic.
I also analyzed some verses in chapter 9 and if it means the uniform ritual of Muslims today then the religion is dogmatic and zealous based on a view of The Book. In that case I would deem The Book as false, but since the meaning of salah is more simple than that I cannot falsify The Book on that basis.
You know I have no expertise in Arabic and I do not claim that, but I apply logic and reason when interpreting the Message and the basic values of God.
But if you desire to give Salah a ritualistic meaning then go ahead, but it does not seem to suit the Message and the context in my opinion.
I am not a The Book or Islam freak as you know and I do not idolize The Book and I evaluate it to the best of my ability and I only want to follow God and not conjecture due to manly interpretations. However I found the ancient Arabic passages to have a high degree of divine influence and therefore I study this book.
I also use information from other religions in my research for the true path because I do not deem the Message exclusive to the Arabs as even God adds in The Book. And the Message is incredibly simple by only include absolute mindfulness of God and belief and service to Him by being good and working against evil.
God bless you
You say you have no expertise in Arabic . . . can I point out . . . that you do not have any expertise in "logic" either. Now - everyone has an internal sense logic - however that is extremely sloppy and prone to plenty of mistakes if not honed. So saying that you use "logic" is not really saying much at all. When you know your instrument is wonky . . . then you already know your readings are going to be incorrect.
Studying of texts - any literary texts - requires certain amount academic specialisms and sophistication . . . . . . the point being no one here is . . .so the work of utter amateurs is likely to be filled with many mistakes. I mean you seem VERY closed talking about any education that you have . . . which gives me an open chance to be really boastful.
The thing with Sunni Islam is that it has had history of highly sophisticated and really bright scholars going for it . . . those that have studied the required areas and have added to a sophisticated knowledge base. A scholar who has studied this and "s/he" rejects something is completely different than someone rejecting something out of sheer ignorance. People here make pitiful argument by quoting out-of-context verses and be against "scholarship" - yet the point of scholarship is easy to see . . . mate!, you come out with some of the worst clap-trap I have ever heard.
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Peace,
I am in no interest of your words, nor do I have time or motivation to study Arabic more than I already do and also I think that despite Arabic knowledge of your experts they are out bicycling.
I was not writing to you either.
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Peace,
I am in no interest of your words, nor do I have time or motivation to study Arabic more than I already do and also I think that despite Arabic knowledge of your experts they are out bicycling.
I was not writing to you either.
In others words you stand exposed as utter nonsense. Whenever questioning gets "tough" you lose your pretty little head.
Look - all your "Quran only" brethren turn out like that . . . keep walking son. I got your number...
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It is more that I do not waste energy on something futile. I have done it too much already. And also why waste energy and try to help someone who is not open-minded and who is insulting and rude?
I am here to discuss with interested people, and not debate with those who follow traditional ways, and particularly come across as very intense, dogmatic and cold, and not open to reflect. I said I am not interested in your religion and if you want to call me anything other than Muslim go ahead, God will suffice me.
If you find it interesting with what I have delved into then feel free, but if you are just here to provoke my anger and annoy me then please go away.
I serve God, and I do it without complicating things. You are a great test and I failed because I lost my temper, but I would not say you do much better, or what do you say? Then I meant the behavioral part of God's creed. Do you know about that?
Peace out
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It is more that I do not waste energy on something futile. I have done it too much already. And also why waste energy and try to help someone who is not open-minded and who is insulting and rude?
I am here to discuss with interested people, and not debate with those who follow traditional ways, and particularly come across as very intense, dogmatic and cold, and not open to reflect. I said I am not interested in your religion and if you want to call me anything other than Muslim go ahead, God will suffice me.
If you find it interesting with what I have delved into then feel free, but if you are just here to provoke my anger and annoy me then please go away.
I serve God, and I do it without complicating things. You are a great test and I failed because I lost my temper, but I would not say you do much better, or what do you say? Then I meant the behavioral part of God's creed. Do you know about that?
Peace out
But you are not open minded . . . and I have never sought your help in anything.
I am neither insulting or rude. Might I refer you to your swearing?
I am here to discuss with interested people, and not debate with those who follow traditional ways, and particularly come across as very intense, dogmatic and cold, and not open to reflect. I said I am not interested in your religion and if you want to call me anything other than Muslim go ahead, God will suffice me.
The very definition of being closed-minded!
If you find it interesting with what I have delved into then feel free, but if you are just here to provoke my anger and annoy me then please go away.
I have shown this repeatedly . . .
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You do not know much about anything.
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You do not learn . . . but really want it to be taken that you are somehow a really wise person.
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When your BS is challenged and it falls apart . . . then you start blithering by being rude, insulting, falsely accusing. . . and swearing.
I serve God, and I do it without complicating things. You are a great test and I failed because I lost my temper, but I would not say you do much better, or what do you say? Then I meant the behavioral part of God's creed. Do you know about that?
As does the Australian Jesus . . . so how do you tell your god apart from his? Or are they the same ones?
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Peace.
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Salaam Man of Faith.
Looks Like you missunderstood my post again.Yes it's online porum, some misscommunication always occur in here.
But if you desire to give Salah a ritualistic meaning then go ahead, but it does not seem to suit the Message and the context in my opinion.
I never said like this.
What I mean is ; the Quranites never knew if salah is physical ritual, if they never became ahlul-hadith before.
No need to know Arabic, just by using translations, we will know if salah and prostate-bowing looks like the two different things and always written separately, if we rely upon Quran only.I am not a The Book or Islam freak as you know and I do not idolize The Book and I evaluate it to the best of my ability and I only want to follow God and not conjecture due to manly interpretations. However I found the ancient Arabic passages to have a high degree of divine influence and therefore I study this book
I also use information from other religions in my research for the true path because I do not deem the Message exclusive to the Arabs as even God adds in The Book.
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It's a good way, I appreciate it.This mean you're not use Quran only, but use another sources (like Bible) to strengthening our faith.I'm also do something like that.
Unfortunately Quran doen't allow us to use another sources (7750), but if we use Quran only we actually will get many-many conjectures which we never aware to realize it before.
God blees u
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Salaam Man of Faith.
Looks Like you missunderstood my post again.Yes it's online porum, some misscommunication always occur in here.
I never said like this.
What I mean is ; the Quranites never knew if salah is physical ritual, if they never became ahlul-hadith before.
No need to know Arabic, just by using translations, we will know if salah and prostate-bowing looks like the two different things and always written separately, if we rely upon Quran only.
.It's a good way, I appreciate it.This mean you're not use Quran only, but use another sources (like Bible) to strengthening our faith.I'm also do something like that.
Unfortunately Quran doen't allow us to use another sources (7750), but if we use Quran only we actually will get many-many conjectures which we never aware to realize it before.
God blees u
Dear, it is the ultimate irony . . . the "Quran only" are among the first to run towards "other sources". It is easy to see . . . in this forum.
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peace Earthdom,
Unfortunately Quran doen't allow us to use another sources (7750)...
I am sorry to say but it is no wonder you left "Islam" if your understanding of verses is like this (i.e. incorrect understanding, in my view)
For a superb analysis of how God communicates to man, as per Quran, I recommend the book "God and Man in Koran" by Toshihiko Izutsu
http//www.islam-and-muslims.com/islamic-books-online.html -
Peace Wakas
For a superb analysis of how God communicates to man, as per Quran, I recommend the book "God and Man in Koran" by Toshihiko Izutsu
http//www.islam-and-muslims.com/islamic-books-online.htmlIndeed his theory has nothing to do with so called speculative religious system named "Quraniyoon".
I'm also don't think if Izutsu, a great scholar himself wanted to sacrifice for becaming a Quraniyoon.No one Quraniyoon scholars even use Quran only to intepreted some system of ibadah, especially Ahmed Mansour.
In his theory of hajj, he even still need another narrations to understand what is hajj. -
peace Earthdom,
No one Quraniyoon scholars even use Quran only to intepreted some system of ibadah, especially Ahmed Mansour.
In his theory of hajj, he even still need another narrations to understand what is hajj.Let me clarify my position in case there is any misunderstanding.
Quran clearly states we can use many types/sources of information, including our own reason. If someone uses these sources to over-rule Quran, contradict Quran, or considered obligatory etc then there are problems.
Here is an explanation of hajj without any Traditional Hadith
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.html
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peace Earthdom,
Let me clarify my position in case there is any misunderstanding.
Quran clearly states we can use many types/sources of information, including our own reason. If someone uses these sources to over-rule Quran, contradict Quran, or considered obligatory etc then there are problems.
Here is an explanation of hajj without any Traditional Hadith
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.html
You probably wont read it though.As many critics have pointed out the rejection of Hadith came in order to align Islam with modern enlightenment values. Getting rid of Hadith and then re-interpreting Quran to fit in better was the easy way. If you read the "Reformist Quran" that is pretty obvious. One problem is the sheer intellectual dishonesty of the whole approach.
Ignorant rants about Sunni Islam aside . . . what does the above link reveal? Yeah . . . back to the same methodology Sunni scholars took years to establish. In the process advancing logic and establishing the science of linguistics, philosophy and theology, historical methodologies and several branches of humanities.
First hurdle the "Quran only" fall at is - the inevitable reliance on Arabic. As Quran does not teach you the langauge and makes it clear that the book is in Arabic. Hence - "Quran only" is not really about "Quran only" at all . . . but more about rejecting Hadith. Again the problem with this is that the ancient Arabic lexicon are written in the same method as Hadith are written. . . which makes wholesale rejection of Hadith as near impossible position to hold.
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Peace Wakas
Indeed his theory has nothing to do with so called speculative religious system named "Quraniyoon".
I'm also don't think if Izutsu, a great scholar himself wanted to sacrifice for becaming a Quraniyoon.No one Quraniyoon scholars even use Quran only to intepreted some system of ibadah, especially Ahmed Mansour.
In his theory of hajj, he even still need another narrations to understand what is hajj.Salaam,
I can understand why you left "islam" but I do not understand why you are also on a crusade against us.
Did anyone here wronged you and you want to take revenge for it?Salaam,
Bender
