17:36 and to follow in the light of the quran
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Peace all,
This my own understanding and translation of the verse 1736
- And do not say (taqfu) what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for.
To say is more accurate than to follow or to uphold as a translation for the verb taqfu.
What I understand from 1736 in the light of the context don't assert nothing before being perfectly sure.
For example to testify a false testimony, to provide a false information, to say you heard and you did not hear, you saw and you did not see, you know and you don't know "All of this is bad, and disliked by your Lord", this is why "For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for."The verb to follow (ittabaAAa / tabiAAa) in the light of the quran, here some examples and this is not an exhaustive list
Qulna ihbitoo minhajameeAAan fa-imma ya/tiyannakum minnee hudan faman tabiAAa hudaya fala khawfun AAalayhim wala hum yahzanoona
We said ?Descend from it all of you, so when the guidance comes from Me, then whoever follows My guidance, they will have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.? (23hatta tattabiAAa millatahum
until you follow their creed (2120)wamajaAAalna alqiblata allatee kunta AAalayha illalinaAAlama man yattabiAAu alrrasoola mimman yanqalibu Aaala AAaqibayhi
And We did not make the focal point that you were on except to know who follows the messenger from those who will turn on their heels (2143)2145
Wa-itha qeela lahumu ittabiAAoo maanzala Allahu qaloo bal nattabiAAu ma alfaynaAAalayhi abaana awa law kana abaohumla yaAAqiloona shay-an wala yahtadoona
And if they are told ?Follow what God has sent down,? they Say ?No, we will follow what we found our fathers doing!? What if their fathers did not understand anything and were not guided? (2170)wala tattabiAAoo khutuwati alshshaytani
and do not follow the steps of the devil (216faammaallatheena fee quloobihim zayghun fayattabiAAoona matashabaha minhu ibtighaa alfitnati waibtighaata/weelihi
As for those who have disease in their hearts, they will follow what is similar from it seeking to confuse, and seeking to derive an interpretation. (37)Qul in kuntum tuhibboona AllahafaittabiAAoonee yuhbibkumu Allahu wayaghfirlakum thunoobakum waAllahu ghafoorun raheemun
Say ?If you love God then follow me so God will love you and forgive your sins.? God is Forgiver, Merciful. (331)Wala tu/minoo illa liman tabiAAa deenakum qul inna alhuda huda
?And do not believe except to those who follow your system (373)395
427faman lam yajid fasiyamushahrayni mutatabiAAayni tawbatan mina Allahi
then the fasting of two months sequentially as a repentance from God (492)4115
fala tattabiAAoo alhawaan
so do not follow your desires from being just (4135)wala tattabiAA ahwaahum AAammajaaka mina alhaqqi
and do not follow their desires from what has come to you of the truth (54wala tattabiAA ahwaahum waihtharhuman yaftinooka AAan baAAdi ma anzala Allahuilayka
and do not follow their wishes, and beware lest they divert you away from some of what God has sent down to you.( 549)wala tattabiAAoo ahwaa qawmin qad dalloo min qablu
and do not follow the desires of a people who have been misguided before (577)Qul la aqoolu lakum AAindee khaza-inuAllahi wala aAAlamu alghayba wala aqoolulakum innee malakun in attabiAAu illa ma yoohailayya qul hal yastawee al-aAAma waalbaseeruafala tatafakkaroona
Say ?I do not say to you that I posses God?s treasures, nor do I know the future, nor do I say to you that I am an Angel. I merely follow what is inspired to me.? Say ?Are the blind and the seer the same?; do you not think?? (650)656, 106, 116
qul hal AAindakum min AAilmin fatukhrijoohu lana in tattabiAAoona illa alththanna wa-in antum illa takhrusoona
?Do you have any knowledge to bring out to us? You only follow conjecture, you only guess.?(614wala tattabiAA ahwaaallatheena kaththaboo bi-ayatina
nor follow the desires of those who deny Our revelations (6150.)Waanna hatha sirateemustaqeeman faittabiAAoohu wala tattabiAAoo alssubula fatafarraqa bikum AAan sabeelihi thalikum wassakumbihi laAAallakum tattaqoona
And this is My path, a Straight One. ?So follow it, and do not follow the other paths lest they divert you from His path. That is what He has enjoined you to that you may be righteous.?(6153.)IttabiAAoo ma onzila ilaykum minrabbikum wala tattabiAAoo min doonihi awliyaaqaleelan ma tathakkaroona
Follow what was sent down to you all from your Lord, and do not follow besides Him any supporters. Little do you remember! (73)718
wa la tattabiAA sabeela almufsideena
and do not follow the path of the corrupters (7142)wala tattabiAAanni sabeela allatheena la yaAAlamoona
and do not follow the path of those who do not know (1089)yaqoolu alththalimoonain tattabiAAoona illa rajulan mashooran
the wicked Say ?You are but following a man bewitched!? (1747)Allatheena yattabiAAoona alrrasoola alnnabiyya al-ommiyya allathee yajidoonahumaktooban AAindahum fee alttawrati waal-injeeliya
?Those who follow the Gentile messenger prophet whom they find written for them in the Torah and the Injeel (-7157)7158, 193, 203
qul ma yakoonu lee an obaddilahu min tilqa-inafsee in attabiAAu illa ma yooha ilayya
Say ?It is not for me to change it from my own accord, I merely follow what is inspired to me (1015)10109
1436, 44Faasri bi-ahlika biqitAAin minaallayli wa ittabiAA adbarahum wala yaltafitminkum ahadun waimdoo haythutu/maroona
?So let your family leave during the last hours of the night, and you follow just behind them, and do not let any of you look back, and go to where you are commanded.? (1565)16123
Qala lahu moosa hal attabiAAuka AAala an tuAAallimani mimma AAullimtarushdan
Moses said to him ?Can I follow you so that you will teach me from the guidance you have been taught??( 1866)1943
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Alla tattabiAAani afaAAasaytaamree
?Do you not follow me? Have you disobeyed my command?? (2093)20108, 134
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2849,50,57Sayaqoolu almukhallafoona itha intalaqtumila maghanima lita/khuthooha tharoona nattabiAAkum yureedoona an yubaddiloo kalama Allahiqul lan tattabiAAoona kathalikum qala Allahumin qablu fasayaqooloona bal tahsudoonana bal kanoola yafqahoona illa qaleelan
Those who lagged behind will say, when you venture out to collect the spoils ?Let us follow you!? They want to change God?s words. Say ?You will not follow us; this is what God has decreed beforehand.? They will then Say ?No, you are envious of us.? Alas, they rarely understood anything (4815)Thanks
Marie - And do not say (taqfu) what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for.
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Peace upon you marie, all,
Maybe you are right for 1736 for the word "takfou" as meaning "to say". Those advices are the same as 6151-153, and especially in 6152.
Although "to say" is translated in arabic as "'ka'la", but I can see what you are refering to.
Could this be the reason why "maryam" was told to abstain from talking because she had no knowledge of how she concieved "?ssa"?
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Peace be upon you Marie and all,
How do we use "takfou" to mean "say", when all over the reading we have "qul" to mean "say"?
If my research is correct "takfou" come from root "q-f-w". What does this root word mean?
Here is what I found from Burhans site index
http//www.openburhan.com/data/b.x.1070.htm
I got the implication of going after(as in succeeding or following footsteps).
Please give me your thoughts.
Besides that , if we took "takfou" to mean "say", then there is very little that we would be able to speak, especially we could not talk about any Literal Jesus and Muhammads, because we don't have sure information about those literal figures. we certainly cannot talk about seas splitting in twos nor people escaping from being burnt alive, nor virgin births.
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peace Kyle, Marie, all,
From the QD (I highly recommend this book by the way)
QFW = to go after, walk behind, follow in the track of, follow the footsteps of, to cause to follow or succeed.
This is how its used in al quran.
Based on this brief analysis of mine. 1736 is "follow/pursue" NOT "say". This understanding is further cemented imho by the latter part of the ayat in which it lists human faculties for gaining knowledge, not specifically related to speech.
Wakas
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Peace be upon you Wakas,
Thank you for the clarification D
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Peace Kyle Wakas, all
After looking in my arabic-arabic dicionnary "lisan alAAarab" To say is one of the several meaning of the veb (qafaa, yaqfoo)).
We can say ?qafaa Mister X Madam Y? it means Mister X says about Madam Y (behind her/ in his absence) bad words.
?qafaa? can mean the nape of the neck
?alqafw and alttaqaafee? means slander and lie which one says against another person
?alqafw? can mean the origin of a declaration, testimony
In the light of the quran, the verb ?qala? is the standard verb to say say.
In the same way, ?ittabaAAa? is the standard verb to say "to follow"The arabic language is very rich, for example there is several way to say the cat alqqitt, alsinnawr, alhhir and it depend on his posture (rest, attack a prey.. ..).
Allah uses the verb ?qala, qul? when He orders the prophet to say something or to answer some questions, to say a truth.
This is how its used in al quran.
In 2287 we read ?qaffaa.. bi?? which means to follow someone with/by something
Idem in 546, 5727 we read ?qaffaa?bi...?In 1736, we read qafaa, this is not the same form than ?qaffaa..bi?, both can mean to follow. According the context, the verb ?qafaa, yaqfoo? can mean to say lie, testify a false testimony, to slander.
I always think that ?taqfu? in 1736 means to say, to assert something without being perfectly sure, to provide a false information, to say you heard and you did not hear, you saw and you did not see, you know and you don't know, like to walk in the land arrogantly 1737 "All of this is bad, and disliked by your Lord 1738",
Gaining knowledge is not the only role of Human faculties, they will bear witness to everything they had done.(420)
41.22. And there was no way you could hide from the testimony of your own hearing, or your eyes, or your skins. In fact, you thought that God was unaware of much of what you do.
Allah knows best
Marie
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Peace be upon you Marie,
If you take 1736 to mean " notto assert something without being perfectly sure", then i hope you are perfectly sure about this understanding or you have disobeyed, as have many of us on this forum every single day.
I disagree with that understanding.
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peace Kyle,
My goal is to share my view not to convince. I try to follow the best explanation in the light of the context of the verse.
"do not say (taqfu) what you have no knowledge of" doesn't concern what is inspired to the prophet through the quran. The prophet merely follow what is inspired to Him (650) and which is the absolute truth.
None of us even the prophet weren't present during this event (234) but we believe it is the absolute truth.
Idem for 344, 1149, 12102., 2844-46....etc
Marie
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Peace be upon you Marie,
Thank you for sharing. What do you think of the critisism I gave regarding your current position?
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"do not say (taqfu) what you have no knowledge of" doesn't concern what is inspired to the prophet through the quran. The prophet merely follow what is inspired to Him (650) and which is the absolute truth.
None of us even the prophet weren't present during this event (234) but we believe it is the absolute truth.
Idem for 344, 1149, 12102., 2844-46....etc
do not say (taqfu) what you have no knowledge of, every day during our life (1736, 1737, 173, that concern our daily behaviour.
We have to read before (1722-24, 26, 29) and after (1737-39) 1736 to get a full picture.Allah knows best
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Peace be upon you MArie,
None of us even the prophet weren't present during this event (234) but we believe it is the absolute truth.
We are present right here and now observing the proceses of our thoughts, that is how we verify 234 in order to be knowledgeable about it.
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Peace all
this is a small point but if one replaced "say" with "speak about" - it would better fit the notion of something which follows on after. ie
- And do not speak about (taqfu) that of which you have no knowledge. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for.
Perhaps the problem here that we need to differentiate between "follow" as in "to be a follower, to agree with" and the follow in sequence. As Marie point out the first usage is present in
wala tattabiAAoo khutuwati alshshaytani
and do not follow the steps of the devil (216whereas 'taqfu" - from Qafa - implies following in sequence. In this sense rendering "taqfu" as "follow/uphold" impies too strong a sense of commitment/belief. You might perhaps also use a phrase like "go along with" - it carries with it the sense of physical movement which Qafa seems to contain - thus
1736 And don't go along with that of which you have no knowledge. For hearing, eyesight and mind, all these you are responsible for.
and may Allah guide us
asdfjk
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peace sister marie,
According the context, the verb ?qafaa, yaqfoo? can mean to say lie, testify a false testimony, to slander.
Whilst I agree this is a possibility, judging by the usage of the term in al quran I think this is less likely than "go along with / follow / agree with / uphold".
Wakas
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Peace all,
Thank you for your inputs.
I think the tradition compiled by Bukhari & co about 200 years after the death of the prophet is a good a example for this possibility to "say" or to "speak about" that of which you have no knowledge.
I agree if we speak about that of which we have no knowledge that imply we "go along with / agree with.
There is a difference between only to say (qala) and to say or to speak about a false information, an uncertain information.
In other words, the verb qafa = to say/speak about an uncertain or wrong information. The second part of the verse specifies the nature of the information (alqafw) which is not based on knowledge, or based on conjecture.- And amongst them are Gentiles who do not know the Scripture except by hearsay, and they only conjecture.
Marie
