is music good, good and good .......?

Timotheus

I wouldn't go as far as calling a prophet a poet.....
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And not We taught him poetry, and not it is befitting for him. Not it (is) except a Reminder and a Quran clear

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And not it (is the) word (of) a poet; little (is) what you believe!

In fact it was the disbelievers that call prophets poet

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Or (do) they say, "A poet, we wait for him a misfortune of time."

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And they say, "Are we to leave our gods for a poet mad?"

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Nay, they say, "Muddled dreams; nay, he (has) invented it; nay, he (is) a poet. So let him bring us a sign like what was sent (to) the former."

Be Careful not to utter that which Allah has sent down for it no authority.
Revelation is not poetry.
Prophets are not poets.

Looking at all these verses related to poetry does it not make you think anything?

That's all talking about Muhammad. And the Quran.

I think some of the psalms were revealed but also some of them seem to be David's own thoughts. I.e poetry.

It's there something wrong with a prophet also being a poet?
Or any variety of artist?

huruf

The qquestion is not whether a prophet can be also be a poet, the quetion is, if he got revellations from God, or from anybody else, to know clearly which part of what he says is reveltion and which part is not.

AAnd what is not proper is that he should insert his own ideas o occurrencs in the revelations. He should keep them separate and transmit clearly what God orders himor her to transmite as God's word, where it starts and where it ends, not mixing anything from him in it.

Tht is the case of the Qur'an. Whatever the prophet Myhammad may have said in his life, the Qur'an is transmitted in its integrality as revelation from God.

That is a thing that some people keep mixing up when speaking about setting the bible and the Qur'an on the same footing.

Salaam

Timotheus

The qquestion is not whether a prophet can be also be a poet, the quetion is, if he got revellations from God, or from anybody else, to know clearly which part of what he says is reveltion and which part is not.

AAnd what is not proper is that he should insert his own ideas o occurrencs in the revelations. He should keep them separate and transmit clearly what God orders himor her to transmite as God's word, where it starts and where it ends, not mixing anything from him in it.

Tht is the case of the Qur'an. Whatever the prophet Myhammad may have said in his life, the Qur'an is transmitted in its integrality as revelation from God.

That is a thing that some people keep mixing up when speaking about setting the bible and the Qur'an on the same footing.

Salaam

Yes I agree but does the Quran ever say the psalms or zaboor was revealed by God?

To my knowledge it says 'we revealed to Moses and Jesus and WE GAVE David the psalms' or something similar.

I am not sure that the Quran calls the psalms a revelation. Although I could be wrong.

huruf

The question in this case is whether what is puported in the bible to be this or that is the same thing tht the Qur'an speaks of. All we know is that something was given to dawood, but what and its contents is, again, something else. The Qur'an does not say, but that is precisely the reason the Qur'an was revealed, to serve as a contrast so that we know what is from God nd what is not. If it matches what the Qur'an says, it is, if not it is not. That is the propr way, the other things should match the Qur'an and not, as has been done and i being done all the time, match the Qur'an to othr things, mainly the bible, taking the latter as the basis for the Qur'an and not th other way around.

Salaam

reel

Just like bad words, there are bad songs. But that does not mean music itself is bad. Quran doesn't prohibit listening to it. I consider the following to be bad
Black metal Not all of it is bad. However, most songs from it contain violent words about Christianity and some are homage to satan. Why be entertained by something that bashes a religion aimlessly? As for satan, that doesn't need explanation.
Gangsta/sexual rap Because they promote criminal lifestyle. By the way, I don't even consider rap to be music.

At the end of the day, words should be looked into to understand whether a song is listenable. I myself is heavily focused on lyrics. I am into metal and gothic, but would always avoid any song that refers to satan or contains pagan chant. Music has all kinds of benefits. You can actually memorize class notes by <a href="http//www.afidated.com/2015/04/bizarre-exam-preparation-techniques.html">singing</a> them. It can also relax the mind.

Study

Old topic, I know.

Just wanted to clarify for others who may still read.

1059 Say "Have you seen what God has sent down to you from provisions, then you have made some of it forbidden and some lawful?" Say "Did God authorize you, or do you invent lies about God?"

732 Say "Who has made unlawful the nice things that God has brought forth for His servants and the good provisions?" Say "They are meant for those who believe during this worldly life, and they will be exclusive for them on the Day of Resurrection." It is such that We explain the revelations for those who know.

You can't make unlawful something that wasn't forbidden by God.
Of course insults and stuff aren't acceptable through music.
Just like smoking isn't helal because smoking is never mentioned in the Quran.
We know it is unhealthy, and we know that we have to take care of our bodies and not inflict ourselves harm.

No where in the Quran does it say that music is haraam.
It is one of the nice things of earth, even animals sing and enjoy this gift.

Timotheus

Old topic, I know.

Just wanted to clarify for others who may still read.

1059 Say "Have you seen what God has sent down to you from provisions, then you have made some of it forbidden and some lawful?" Say "Did God authorize you, or do you invent lies about God?"

732 Say "Who has made unlawful the nice things that God has brought forth for His servants and the good provisions?" Say "They are meant for those who believe during this worldly life, and they will be exclusive for them on the Day of Resurrection." It is such that We explain the revelations for those who know.

You can't make unlawful something that wasn't forbidden by God.
Of course insults and stuff aren't acceptable through music.
Just like smoking isn't helal because smoking is never mentioned in the Quran.
We know it is unhealthy, and we know that we have to take care of our bodies and not inflict ourselves harm.

No where in the Quran does it say that music is haraam.
It is one of the nice things of earth, even animals sing and enjoy this gift.

Nowhere in the Quran does it say that smoking is haram.. let me emphasize a point you made...

You can't make unlawful something that wasn't forbidden by God.

then you go on to presume to make something unlawful that God has not..

Peace..

HP_TECH

Nowhere in the Quran does it say that smoking is haram.. let me emphasize a point you made...

You can't make unlawful something that wasn't forbidden by God.

then you go on to presume to make something unlawful that God has not..

Peace..

To inhale smoke from cigarettes(which besides tobacco contain several toxins and harmful chemicals), or marijuana is to consume intoxicants. These alter your physiological state, some in a varying degree from others and are harmful to you in various ways.
Allah tells us to avoid intoxicants so we may succeed.

Peace

Timotheus

To inhale smoke from cigarettes(which besides tobacco contain several toxins and harmful chemicals), or marijuana is to consume intoxicants. These alter your physiological state, some in a varying degree from others and are harmful to you in various ways.
Allah tells us to avoid intoxicants so we may succeed.

Peace

Our lord, in fact says
2219

my interpretation
they are asking you regarding the intoxicants, Say in them both is a great sin, and benefits to the human beings, but sin of them both is greater than the benefit of them both.

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my interpretation (i dont know some of theese words)
oh you who trust in god completely, only(?) the intoxicants, and the gambling, and the fixed portions, and the arrows(raffling?/divining? arrows) are an impurity of the satans doing, so all of you avoid it, so you may be successfull

a few points on this..

this translation is my own limited understanding, and i would encourage people to verify things for themselves, and also share any better understanding they have with me
the innama in this verse, in my knowledge means 'only' although, it can have different meanings depending on its grammatical context, so i will, if god has willed, have to check this.
i think that 'fixed portions' is a good translation, considering the root, and also considering the context of god mentioning in the quran that people define fixed portions of meat of certain animals, and forbid such and such etc, and god was disapproving of this. though again, i have limited knowledge. in regards to the arrows, i dont know this word, i will have to look into it, but i feel as if it is talking of raffling food?
the first one is talking specificaly about 2 definite intoxicants it seems, as they are definite, and in my understanding, and seemingly the only fit with the context, they are later mentioned with a dual object pronoun, which means there is two of them. (beer and wine prehaps? i am not familiar with the culture at the time)
what/who are we to avoid? in my understanding of the grammar of this, it is saying we are to avoid the work of the satan.

I agree, we should avoid intoxicants. i think we should take gods words on face value though, as much as possible, and not distort them. i.e

God tells us to avoid 'the work of satan' not alcahol, or music or anything else.
God also tells us that 2 certain intoxicants are more sinful, or a greater sin, than a benefit.

beyond that, it is up to us to, god willing, follow his guidance as to how to apply theese verses in other areas or to things that are not directly covered by it.

let us also not forget, god sends his messengers to people, speaking in their language, theese people had a clear understanding of what intoxicants he was talking about
and also we cannot attribute things to god that are not true. and i think we should try our best to represent every argument in the best possible way, because if we say 'god tells us to avoid alcahol' but it in fact does not, but rather tells us to avoid the satans work, then i think this can lead to people not wanting to believe other things we say, or not being as accepting of something which may be a true, and solid argument

Peace

HP_TECH

Our lord, in fact says
2219

my interpretation
they are asking you regarding the intoxicants, Say in them both is a great sin, and benefits to the human beings, but sin of them both is greater than the benefit of them both.

590

my interpretation (i dont know some of theese words)
oh you who trust in god completely, only(?) the intoxicants, and the gambling, and the fixed portions, and the arrows(raffling?/divining? arrows) are an impurity of the satans doing, so all of you avoid it, so you may be successfull

a few points on this..

this translation is my own limited understanding, and i would encourage people to verify things for themselves, and also share any better understanding they have with me )
the innama in this verse, in my knowledge means 'only' although, it can have different meanings depending on its grammatical context, so i will, if god has willed, have to check this.
i think that 'fixed portions' is a good translation, considering the root, and also considering the context of god mentioning in the quran that people define fixed portions of meat of certain animals, and forbid such and such etc, and god was disapproving of this. though again, i have limited knowledge. in regards to the arrows, i dont know this word, i will have to look into it, but i feel as if it is talking of raffling food?
the first one is talking specificaly about 2 definite intoxicants it seems, as they are definite, and in my understanding, and seemingly the only fit with the context, they are later mentioned with a dual object pronoun, which means there is two of them. (beer and wine prehaps? i am not familiar with the culture at the time)
what/who are we to avoid? in my understanding of the grammar of this, it is saying we are to avoid the work of the satan.

I agree, we should avoid intoxicants. i think we should take gods words on face value though, as much as possible, and not distort them. i.e

God tells us to avoid 'the work of satan' not alcahol, or music or anything else.
God also tells us that 2 certain intoxicants are more sinful, or a greater sin, than a benefit.

beyond that, it is up to us to, god willing, follow his guidance as to how to apply theese verses in other areas or to things that are not directly covered by it.

let us also not forget, god sends his messengers to people, speaking in their language, theese people had a clear understanding of what intoxicants he was talking about
and also we cannot attribute things to god that are not true. and i think we should try our best to represent every argument in the best possible way, because if we say 'god tells us to avoid alcahol' but it in fact does not, but rather tells us to avoid the satans work, then i think this can lead to people not wanting to believe other things we say, or not being as accepting of something which may be a true, and solid argument

Peace

Peace, check the discussion in this thread http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608164.0

Timotheus

Peace, check the discussion in this thread http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9608164.0

peace
what exactly were you trying to draw my attention to?

if that intoxicants is more than just wine, or any specific thing, i agree completely, and i do not intend to argue against that,

i was simply making the observation that it seems the first verse is talking about 2 things specificaly, as i said it is definite, and referred to with a dual object pronoun.

it in not my intention to say the whole quran is talking about this when refering to intoxicants, because i dont know of clear proof for this.

also a correction, i believe i made an error interpreting the 590 as 'only theese things are the work of satan' instead of 'theese things are only the work of satan' as i think is what is intended.

HP_TECH if you could be more specific about what you are referring me to, that would be helpfull, as i saw some reasonable posts by you there, however alot of that topic is simply conjecture.

peace be with you

EDIT i made an error when i missed 'the gambling' in the quranic text, hence my misunderstanding of what the dual object pronoun was prefering to

HP_TECH

peace
what exactly were you trying to draw my attention to?

if that intoxicants is more than just wine, or any specific thing, i agree completely, and i do not intend to argue against that,

i was simply making the observation that it seems the first verse is talking about 2 things specificaly, as i said it is definite, and referred to with a dual object pronoun.

it in not my intention to say the whole quran is talking about this when refering to intoxicants, because i dont know of clear proof for this.

also a correction, i believe i made an error interpreting the 590 as 'only theese things are the work of satan' instead of 'theese things are only the work of satan' as i think is what is intended.

HP_TECH if you could be more specific about what you are referring me to, that would be helpfull, as i saw some reasonable posts by you there, however alot of that topic is simply conjecture.

peace be with you

Peace Timotheus,

Ahh I see what you are struggling with.
In your earlier post you when you cited 2219 you omitted a very important word from the ayaat.
Where did you get that translation from?

The verse reads
2219
They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance Say, "In both of them (is) a sin great, and (some) benefits for people. But sin of both of them (is) greater than (the) benefit of (the) two." And they ask you what they (should) spend. Say, "The surplus." Thus makes clear Allah to you Verses so that you may ponder,

This is a translation from islamawakened.com http//www.islamawakened.com/quran/2/219/default.htm

Corpus.quran.com is also a great source. It shows you transliteration and it is better for study
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=2&verse=219

So intoxicants and games of chance(gambling) are the two specific definite things.

I was pointing you to my arguments. You said it exactly, that intoxicants do not relate to something specific as wine but anything that can alter your judgement or physiological state.

Timotheus

Peace Timotheus,

Ahh I see what you are struggling with.
In your earlier post you when you cited 2219 you omitted a very important word from the ayaat.
Where did you get that translation from?

The verse reads
2219
They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance Say, "In both of them (is) a sin great, and (some) benefits for people. But sin of both of them (is) greater than (the) benefit of (the) two." And they ask you what they (should) spend. Say, "The surplus." Thus makes clear Allah to you Verses so that you may ponder,

This is a translation from islamawakened.com http//www.islamawakened.com/quran/2/219/default.htm

Corpus.quran.com is also a great source. It shows you transliteration and it is better for study
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=2&verse=219

So intoxicants and games of chance(gambling) are the two specific definite things.

I was pointing you to my arguments. You said it exactly, that intoxicants do not relate to something specific as wine but anything that can alter your judgement or physiological state.

Peace,
alhamdullilah, i did not realize i had made that error, i must have missed that word, by the will of god. now i see where i went wrong. i will have to edit my posts. my translation is from my own understanding, as i find often (as perfectly demonstrated by me, lol) people can miss important points, or present things in an unclear way, which is easily to misinterpret. glory be to God, he has reminded me not to hasten with my understanding, and to be sure about what i say.

Peace,

edit hmm it will not let me edit my original post now.. !? (

HP_TECH

Peace,
alhamdullilah, i did not realize i had made that error, i must have missed that word, by the will of god. now i see where i went wrong. i will have to edit my posts. my translation is from my own understanding, as i find often (as perfectly demonstrated by me, lol) people can miss important points, or present things in an unclear way, which is easily to misinterpret. glory be to God, he has reminded me not to hasten with my understanding, and to be sure about what i say.

Peace,

edit hmm it will not let me edit my original post now.. !?

No big deal we are but human...

Timotheus

No big deal we are but human...

Peace, indeed, we are prone to error it seems. i will, god willing, have to make sure i check better in the future. masha'Allah