A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily

Mazhar

Salam Wakas,

Lest it is lost by of topic

Salamun alaikum;

Lane says Basic perception He clave, ; cut, or divided, lengthwise this is the primary signification, whence several others, to be mentioned below, are derived Time reference the light of morning; (Mgh, K because it is a cleaving of the darkness from before the light; (Mgh i. e., the redness of the sun in the darkness of night; (K the in the end of the night is like the in the beginning thereof (S, O it is twofold the first is called ; that which rises without extending laterally, (, Mgh, Msb,) which appears black, presenting itself like an obstacle (&#1575

2, 3, 4 These are mentioned in one compound sentence

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The figure of speech is climax; placement of words in ascending order towards the incoming moments of night.

The two timings for obeying the command are

It a possessive phrase for which reason Noon of first DUAL noun is dropped the two visual transitions-edges of the bright day tapering towards the incoming night.

The fourth is at
"the early moments of the night". This sentence/time is defined by referring to the Sun
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"the point in time of rubbing and smoothly getting away of the Sun to the boundary of night getting cool and dark".

and

5 the definite time is

Wakas

Good idea

The common problems with 5 salat daily timings as per The Quran
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/problems-5-salat-Quran.html

Mazhar

Salam Wakas,

Do you think and translate the phrase as two corners on a straight line

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1.Fajr___________________________________________2 Isha

Pleiades

Good idea

The common problems with 5 salat daily timings as per The Quran
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/problems-5-salat-Quran.html

Salam everybody, Its been a while since my last post but have been dipping in and out of the forum. I thought I'd share this response from bro Joseph to Wakas's critique. (A request from a sister).

http//quransmessage.com/critiques/Response%20to%20Wakas.htm

shukri

Salaam ,

I give you simple proofs ... to prove that quran states 5 salat daily ... by using numeric miracle of this two key phrases of words ...

Observe the Contact Prayers ( &#1577

This phrase occurs exactly 5 times in quran ...

11114 You shall observe the Contact Prayers (1) at both ends of the day, and during the night. The righteous works wipe out the evil works. This is a reminder for those who would take heed.
1778 You shall observe the Contact Prayer (2) when the sun declines from its highest point at noon, as it moves towards sunset. You shall also observe (the recitation of) the Quran at dawn. (Reciting) the Quran at dawn is witnessed.

2014 "I am God; there is no other god beside Me. You shall worship Me alone, and observe the Contact Prayers (3) to remember Me.

2945 You shall recite what is revealed to you of the scripture, and observe the Contact Prayers (4), for the Contact Prayers prohibit evil and vice. But the remembrance of God (through Salat) is the most important objective.* God knows everything you do.

3117 "O my son, you shall observe the Contact Prayers (5). You shall advocate righteousness and forbid evil, and remain steadfast in the face of adversity. These are the most honorable traits.

Turn your face towards the Sacred Masjid

This phrase also occurs exactly 5 times in quran ...

2144 We have seen you turning your face about the sky (searching for the right direction). We now assign a Qiblah that is pleasing to you. Henceforth, you shall turn your face towards the Sacred Masjid (1). Wherever you may be, all of you shall turn your faces towards it (2). Those who received the previous scripture know that this is the truth from their Lord. God is never unaware of anything they do.
2149 Wherever you go, you shall turn your face (during Salat) towards the Sacred Masjid (3). This is the truth from your Lord. God is never unaware of anything you all do.

2150 Wherever you go, you shall turn your face (during Salat) towards the Sacred Masjid (4) ; wherever you might be, you shall turn your faces (during Salat) towards it (5). Thus, the people will have no argument against you, except the transgressors among them. Do not fear them, and fear Me instead. I will then perfect My blessings upon you, that you may be guided.

All the facts given above ... I extract from ...
http//www.universalunity.org/17.html#TheFiveDailyContactPrayers

And for the determination of middle prayer (salat wustha) ... just apply code 19 for these two verses AQ2238 & AQ1031 ...

2238 You shall consistently observe the Contact Prayers, especially the middle prayer, and devote yourselves totally to God .

1031 By the afternoon (asr)

22381031 = 19 x 1177949 -------> proof that middle prayer refer to afternoon prayer (asr) ---------> subsequently total prayer should be five ---------> dawn/noon/afternoon/sunset/night prayer ...

Thanks .

Noon_waalqalami

Salaam ,

I give you simple proofs ... to prove that quran states 5 salat daily ... by using numeric miracle of this two key phrases of words ...

Observe the Contact Prayers ( &#1577

This phrase occurs exactly 5 times in quran ...

11114 You shall observe the Contact Prayers (1) at both ends of the day, and during the night. The righteous works wipe out the evil works. This is a reminder for those who would take heed.
1778 You shall observe the Contact Prayer (2) when the sun declines from its highest point at noon, as it moves towards sunset. You shall also observe (the recitation of) the Quran at dawn. (Reciting) the Quran at dawn is witnessed.

2014 "I am God; there is no other god beside Me. You shall worship Me alone, and observe the Contact Prayers (3) to remember Me.

2945 You shall recite what is revealed to you of the scripture, and observe the Contact Prayers (4), for the Contact Prayers prohibit evil and vice. But the remembrance of God (through Salat) is the most important objective.* God knows everything you do.

3117 "O my son, you shall observe the Contact Prayers (5). You shall advocate righteousness and forbid evil, and remain steadfast in the face of adversity. These are the most honorable traits.

Turn your face towards the Sacred Masjid

This phrase also occurs exactly 5 times in quran ...

2144 We have seen you turning your face about the sky (searching for the right direction). We now assign a Qiblah that is pleasing to you. Henceforth, you shall turn your face towards the Sacred Masjid (1). Wherever you may be, all of you shall turn your faces towards it (2). Those who received the previous scripture know that this is the truth from their Lord. God is never unaware of anything they do.
2149 Wherever you go, you shall turn your face (during Salat) towards the Sacred Masjid (3). This is the truth from your Lord. God is never unaware of anything you all do.

2150 Wherever you go, you shall turn your face (during Salat) towards the Sacred Masjid (4) ; wherever you might be, you shall turn your faces (during Salat) towards it (5). Thus, the people will have no argument against you, except the transgressors among them. Do not fear them, and fear Me instead. I will then perfect My blessings upon you, that you may be guided.

All the facts given above ... I extract from ...
http//www.universalunity.org/17.html#TheFiveDailyContactPrayers

And for the determination of middle prayer (salat wustha) ... just apply code 19 for these two verses AQ2238 & AQ1031 ...

2238 You shall consistently observe the Contact Prayers, especially the middle prayer, and devote yourselves totally to God .

1031 By the afternoon (asr)

22381031 = 19 x 1177949 -------> proof that middle prayer refer to afternoon prayer (asr) ---------> subsequently total prayer should be five ---------> dawn/noon/afternoon/sunset/night prayer ...

Thanks .

Peace -- are you consistent?

512 establish you (masculine plural) al-alata
11114 and establish (masculine singular) al-alata
1778 establish (masculine singular) al-alata
2014 and establish (masculine singular) al-alata
2945 and establish (masculine singular) al-alata
3117 establish (masculine singular) al-alata
3333 and establish (feminine plural) al-alata

2144

so turn face your (masculine singular) direction al-masjid al-haraam
so turn ye of faces yours (masculine plural) direction its

2149
3. so turn face your (masculine singular) direction al-masjid al-haraam

2150
4. so turn face your (masculine singular) direction al-masjid al-haram
5. so turn ye of faces yours (masculine plural) direction its

huruf

This writing of masculine plural is a real trap. Everything that is not specifically feminine is called masculine although we do know without any doubt that there is a plural which is general, that is, cinludes anybody of any sex. Most "masculine plurals" in the Qur'an, as anywhere, are not masculine but global. That grammarians have not come with a proper figure for that is a grammatical misdeed, and given it a proper name is a grammatical misdeed but that does not change the substance of what is spoken or written.

It is fraudulent to make it masculine and exact one hundred scientifical evidences in order to allow texts, in this case the Qur'an to speak of both sexes everytime the "masculine" plural appears.

Also there is the singular masculine, which in fact is not such but inspecified singular when we speak of any person. We may be saying you, but we may be referring to an unspecified you who can be any person.

Salaam

Wakas

In addition to Noon's post, is mankind lost only by the afternoon?

1031 By the afternoon.,
1032 The human being is utterly lost.,

shukri

In addition to Noon's post, is mankind lost only by the afternoon?

1031 By the afternoon.,
1032 The human being is utterly lost.,

Salaam ,

Some interesting points given by this article ... point 4 onwards ...

http//www.universalunity.org/17.html#MiddlePrayer

Thanks .

Wakas

Those "interesting" points you refer have no consistency, one of the fundamental flaws in code 19 maths. In any case, here are my two favourite threads on code 19

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16958.0
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601308.0

They are very telling in my opinion.