Prayer & using the Quran.
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Greeting fellow earthlings,
I am trying to compile a method in which I am able to conduct my daily prayers. Like what to say, what to do etc.
I was wondering, in regards to what to say, if you want to take an extract from a variety of verses and put them together in a way that would indicate you are asking for forgiveness for example, would it be okay to do that? Like for instance, pick out a verse, something in it that you like, and you take out a portion of it to use in your prayer, is that permissible?
Also, are there any verses which tell you what positions you must do, what order, or is it possible to just face the kaaba in a prostrating, or standing, or bowing position and recite your prayer?
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Greeting fellow earthlings,
I am trying to compile a method in which I am able to conduct my daily prayers. Like what to say, what to do etc.
I was wondering, in regards to what to say, if you want to take an extract from a variety of verses and put them together in a way that would indicate you are asking for forgiveness for example, would it be okay to do that? Like for instance, pick out a verse, something in it that you like, and you take out a portion of it to use in your prayer, is that permissible?
Also, are there any verses which tell you what positions you must do, what order, or is it possible to just face the kaaba in a prostrating, or standing, or bowing position and recite your prayer?
why dont you just pray the way our prophet prayed?
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why dont you just pray the way our prophet prayed?
And how do we know how someone prayed 1400 years ago? ???
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And how do we know how someone prayed 1400 years ago? ???
someone?
mate we are talking about prophet Muhammed(s) here, who is was not a common man, his praying and namaz/salat was witnessed by millions.
so the closet thing which can be done regards to praying is sunni namaz.
I am shia my self when it comes to following ahlul bayt teachings, but I personally think when it comes to praying sunnis are closer and they dont have any reason to innovate.
when I go to sunni masjid I pray sunni way, when shia shia-way.
and I think both this schools are correct, and we dont need any third way to pray.
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someone?
mate we are talking about prophet Muhammed(s) here, who is was not a common man, his praying and namaz/salat was witnessed by millions.
so the closet thing which can be done regards to praying is sunni namaz.
I am shia my self when it comes to following ahlul bayt teachings, but I personally think when it comes to praying sunnis are closer and they dont have any reason to innovate.
when I go to sunni masjid I pray sunni way, when shia shia-way.
and I think both these schools are correct, and we dont need any third way to pray.
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someone?
mate we are talking about prophet Muhammed(s) here, who is was not a common man, his praying and namaz/salat was witnessed by millions.
so the closet thing which can be done regards to praying is sunni namaz.
I am shia my self when it comes to following ahlul bayt teachings, but I personally think when it comes to praying sunnis are closer and they dont have any reason to innovate.
when I go to sunni masjid I pray sunni way, when shia shia-way.
and I think both this schools are correct, and we dont need any third way to pray.
You see that even you already mentioned two "fashions" of prayer sunni/shia... so in which fashion did the prophet pray?
And, by the way, all those people who you say witnessed it they are all long dead...
Glory to God
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You see that even you already mentioned two "fashions" of prayer sunni/shia... so in which fashion did the prophet pray?
And, by the way, all those people who you say witnessed it they are all long dead...
Glory to God
They witnessed and prayed in a similar way. Those who witnessed them prayed similarly . . . hence the chain continues.
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You can do the bond/connection however you want. God describes a few ways, standing, sitting etc.
Pray the "sunni" way or "shia" way if one pleases. There is no namaz in the Quran so i don't think it's a good idea forward spacing "namaz" and "salat" as if they are interchangeable because they are not.
Also, how do you know Muhammad's praying was witness by "millions"? Is this based on your congecture? What evidence do you hold on how Muhammad prayed. If anything, it wasn't the traditional "namaz" way. Your view?
peace
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You can do the bond/connection however you want. God describes a few ways, standing, sitting etc.
Pray the "sunni" way or "shia" way if one pleases. There is no namaz in the Quran so i don't think it's a good idea forward spacing "namaz" and "salat" as if they are interchangeable because they are not.
Also, how do you know Muhammad's praying was witness by "millions"? Is this based on your congecture? What evidence do you hold on how Muhammad prayed. If anything, it wasn't the traditional "namaz" way. Your view?
peace
How do you know the Quran is book of Allah? Answer that . . . it will answer everything.
Quran-only rejection of Hadith is clearly unsupportable.
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You see that even you already mentioned two "fashions" of prayer sunni/shia... so in which fashion did the prophet pray?
And, by the way, all those people who you say witnessed it they are all long dead...
Glory to God
yes this is exactly my point, either Sunni or Shia way, there cant be third way, because that doesn't exists and only these two are prophetic way of praying.
either sunni or shia way, as we cant confirm which is correct we can chose any of them, but there cant be third.
few things in hadith are questionable which are from private life of prophet (huge chance they are manipulated)
but clear way of life and hadis which deals with ramadan and praying, cant be ignored.
unless you want to be your own prophet and bring your own shariyah. nope
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Namaz is not even an arabic word. It is a persian word, earlier it was used in the persian military, meaning to repeat an exercise again and again untill you can do it with without even thinking about it. Thats what salat have become today, just like a military exercise, it have turned into a persian namaz. It is like saying sesam sesam open up, using magic words for your idol god.
There are many MANY examples of what to say in your prayers, all examples show one thing "say that which you have in your heart and mind" to remind YOURSELF of God. However, salat and prayer is not the same thing.
Peace
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Dear brothers and sisters, who follow the Sunni and Shia's way of Islam,
Peace be upon you.
If salat is to be established in the way the Sunnis or Shias do, may I kindly ask you a couple of questions, which I believe is pertinent to ask, and hope that you would answer truthfully regardless of any bias.
Take a look at this
Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer (Arabic alssalata) for My remembrance (2014)
The above verse is a dialogue when Allah and Prophet Moses (pbuh) talked for the first time in the Holy valley of Tuwa.
My first question How did Prophet Moses (pbuh) and his people established salat without the Torah between their hands?
Now look these verses
Thereupon Zachariah prayed to his Lord, saying, Lord, grant me by Your own grace virtuous offspring. You are the hearer of all prayers (33
As he stood praying (Arabic yusallee) in the chamber, the angels called out to him, saying, God gives you the good news of John, who shall confirm the Word from God, and outstanding among men, and utterly chaste, and a prophet from among the righteous. (339)
From the above verses we can see that Prophet Zachariah (pbuh) was establishing salat.
My second question Was Prophet Zachariah (pbuh) uttering words in his salat from a book which was revealed unto him by God?
Please note The positions of standing, bowing and prostrating is a part of salat, since I believe that this form has been transferred to us through mass transmissions by practice from generations after generations, hence there is absolutely no need to 'reinvent the wheel' since the current practice is not in contravention with any of the ayats of the Quran. In fact, there is more than a suggestion in the Quran that standing, bowing and prostrating are indeed a part of salat. Also if we look at how the Jews pray, we'll see the same positions of standing, bowing and prostrating in their prayer as well.
Regards.
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How do you know the Quran is book of Allah? Answer that . . . it will answer everything.
Quran-only rejection of Hadith is clearly unsupportable.
I believe it is the words of God because of the content. The way things are talked about, the justice of the book, the purity of it in a sense that this is the way life should be lived. Bare in mind the book is an inspiration from God, do you know what that means?
How will that answer everything for you, I'm curious. Because even me believing that it is a guidance from God, I don't just agree to anything the Qur'an says without further analysis as you should do.
Also, out of pure curiosity, are you
In support of Qur'an and hadith,
Qur'an only,
Hadith only,
None.Thanks.
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I think people forget what happened before Muhammad came along. Was everyone misguided? Everyone before him is destined to hell? Well no because we know that all prophets followed the same universal message. There's a lot of hadiths which discuss, honestly, ridiculous and disgusting things. May we bare in mind that these were written hundreds of years after Muhammad died? Plus, the Qur'an is fully detailed. That means you need NOTHING extra as a basic guide to life. So why try to extrapolate the quranic words and explain them with other baseless hadiths when the answer will be explained in the Qur'an. God is not difficult in its system of life/attitude.
Peace
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Salaam
Now I simply remove any speculations within salat, hajj, fasting theories.
I simply submitt to God withouth bounded by any religious institutions.
I can do dzikir with Sunni muslims during midnight, do salat in an ahmadiyah mosque, meditate in a Hindhu temple as long as this dedicated to God Alone.It's bid'ah, shirk?? Ney.
- Abraham has no religion but just simply just submit to God (367)
- There is no compulsion in dyn/religious system (2256).
- Islam isn't about confuse fatwa like where's our qiblat, salat must like this or that.But simply just faith and good deeds (2177)
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Peace Earthdom,
bravo
God bless you
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Namaz is not even an arabic word. It is a persian word, earlier it was used in the persian military, meaning to repeat an exercise again and again untill you can do it with without even thinking about it. Thats what salat have become today, just like a military exercise, it have turned into a persian namaz. It is like saying sesam sesam open up, using magic words for your idol god.
There are many MANY examples of what to say in your prayers, all examples show one thing "say that which you have in your heart and mind" to remind YOURSELF of God. However, salat and prayer is not the same thing.
Peace
I like very much your post. Thank you.
I also see and think that namaz became exactly that a fictitious mechanical repetition...
And, since you say "However, salat and prayer is not the same thing.", would you care to explain it to me what do you mean by salat please, because there is much contradiction and different interpretations about it. We all know what prayer ("dua" might be, I suppose.
Thank you
Glory be to God, the Uncreated Eternal One
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Salaam
Now I simply remove any speculations within salat, hajj, fasting theories.
I simply submitt to God withouth bounded by any religious institutions.
I can do dzikir with Sunni muslims during midnight, do salat in an ahmadiyah mosque, meditate in a Hindhu temple as long as this dedicated to God Alone.It's bid'ah, shirk?? Ney.
- Abraham has no religion but just simply just submit to God (367)
- There is no compulsion in dyn/religious system (2256).
- Islam isn't about confuse fatwa like where's our qiblat, salat must like this or that.But simply just faith and good deeds (2177)
Well said Fred
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Dont forget the messenger....
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- Which messenger, there are many we know of and many we don't.
- If you're referring to Muhammad, what difference does it make if he is known or not known/forgotten or not?
The only being we should not forget is God. Everyone else is irrelevant. But I thank the messengers and prophets for their constant deliverance of the message.