The size of the paradise
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There are many fallacious assumption in your thought process above.
It's "God is living in Paradise" thus "God's one count of day = Paradise one count of day".
Which is not true.Why it isn't true ? please clarify.
What is your evidence that makes you sure to be untrue ?The saying of "a day with thy Lord is as a thousand years of your counting" is allegorical, it means that His Promise shall come although it might takes a 'long time' to human reckoning. And not as baseline data to count the size of a hypothetical planet called "Paradise".
i don't interpret allegorical verses because it is a misleading and mostly used by the Baha'i followers.
He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses - which constitute the essence of the scripture - as well as multiple-meaning, or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except God and those well founded in knowledge. They say, "We believe in this - all of it comes from our Lord." Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.
We know from the quran that God was in the paradise talking with Adam,angels and Iblis and we know that our return is to him for the judgement day.
He directs the affair from heaven to earth, then it goes up to Him in one day, whose measure is a thousand years of your counting. (325)
The verse is very clear and that also known in the bible, so it is irrational to distort the verse by making a guess as to be a metaphor while it isn't.
Why it is exactly a thousand year of our counting,why not years,why not thousands,why it is fixed to a thousand of our counting.
Please reply with logic and evidence than just an arbitrary reply.
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Why it isn't true ? please clarify.
What is your evidence that makes you sure to be untrue ?Because (my perception of my) God is that IT does not have a 'home planet', or reside in a specific place, whatever is the name of that place.
If your God is a being which has a 'home planet' or reside in a specific place, then I am an atheist of your God.i don't interpret allegorical verses because it is a misleading and mostly used by the Baha'i followers.
Who is Baha'i? Anyway it's irrelevant to this discussion..
We know from the quran that God was in the paradise talking with Adam,angels and Iblis and we know that our return is to him for the judgement day.
He directs the affair from heaven to earth, then it goes up to Him in one day, whose measure is a thousand years of your counting. (325)
The verse is very clear and that also known in the bible, so it is irrational to distort the verse by making a guess as to be a metaphor while it isn't.
Why it is exactly a thousand year of our counting,why not years,why not thousands,why it is fixed to a thousand of our counting.
Please reply with logic and evidence than just an arbitrary reply.
So in your perception there's a latency of one thousand years earth time for information from planet Earth to reach planet Paradise thus (your) God?
As thus there's another one thousand years earth time latency for (your) God's decree to arrive back to earth.
In total two thousand years of earth time latency (Round-Trip)If that's the case, there's definitely no use of praying, since by the time the prayer arrived at the place of (your) God, the prayee has been long dead.
The above explanation is a logical consequences of your assumption.
As thus we don't have the same perception of "What Is God".While my perception of God, fits perfectly with Jesus perception of "Heavenly Father", Lao Tse perception of Tao, and Hindus perception of Brahman.
Salam / Peace
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Because (my perception of my) God is that IT does not have a 'home planet', or reside in a specific place, whatever is the name of that place.
If your God is a being which has a 'home planet' or reside in a specific place, then I am an atheist of your God.So you think God is hanging somewhere in the vacuum.
Explain then how God has his own throne
And it is He who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and His Throne was upon the waters -- that He might try you, which one of you is fairer in works. And if thou sayest, you shall surely be raised up after death, the unbelievers will say, This is naught but a manifest sorcery. (117)
Who is Baha'i? Anyway it's irrelevant to this discussion..
Baha'i are followers of Baha'ullah,most of the verses to them is metaphors,exactly similar to your views.
So in your perception there's a latency of one thousand years earth time for information from planet Earth to reach planet Paradise thus (your) God?
As thus there's another one thousand years earth time latency for (your) God's decree to arrive back to earth.
In total two thousand years of earth time latency (Round-Trip)What you are talking about,what round trip ? God rides planes ?
God directs all affairs from his throne in a day which is equivalent to a thousand of our counting.
Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days, then He established Himself upon the Throne, directing all things. There is no intercessor (with Him) save after His permission. That is Allah, your Lord, so worship Him. Oh, will ye not remind? (103)
If that's the case, there's definitely no use of praying, since by the time the prayer arrived at the place of (your) God, the prayee has been long dead.
Prayers don't travel by rockets,i am writing to you by now and it'll reach you in a second even if you are a thousands of miles away of me.
The above explanation is a logical consequences of your assumption.
As thus we don't have the same perception of "What Is God".I showed you the proof from the quran,whereas you are talking only from your own mind
While my perception of God, fits perfectly with Jesus perception of "Heavenly Father", Lao Tse perception of Tao, and Hindus perception of Brahman.
Salam / Peace
Which perception ? would you please explain what is your perception of God ? i proved to you that you were wrong from the quran.
Show me just one verse saying God has no home.Peace
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So you think God is hanging somewhere in the vacuum.
Explain then how God has his own throne
And it is He who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and His Throne was upon the waters -- that He might try you, which one of you is fairer in works. And if thou sayest, you shall surely be raised up after death, the unbelievers will say, This is naught but a manifest sorcery. (117)
Like I said, it's either a 'metaphor', thus your perception of it's meaning is incorrect.
Or it's literal,that (your) God does sits on a throne located in the planet called Paradise, have a latency of of "One God's Day which is equal to one thousand earth year" to pass the decision.
Like this
http//www.chriskuzneski.com/tour/throne_files/zeus_statue.jpgPrayers don't travel by rockets,i am writing to you by now and it'll reach you in a second even if you are a thousands of miles away of me.
And when I'm on Alpha Centari it tooks 4 years for your 'writing' to arrive to me. And another 4 years for my reply to arrive to you on earth.
(Assuming Light based transmission as commonly used with today's Internet)I showed you the proof from the quran,whereas you are talking only from your own mind
You are talking from your own mind as well, stop hiding behind holy relics or something beside you to back your opinion.
Which perception ? would you please explain what is your perception of God ? i proved to you that you were wrong from the quran.
Show me just one verse saying God has no home.Try to be consistent on your reasoning, if your God is 1000 years away, and since nothing can travel faster than light.
Then you can also deduct your reasoning to conclude that your God's home and his throne is within 1000 light years radius from earth.
Which means that your God's home is still within our Milky Way Galaxy.Thus I conclude that your God is definitely an Alien being living somewhere in Milky Way Galaxy.
While for "My God"
Read Tao The Ching, and discern Lao Tse's description of Tao.And herewith the snippet.
There was something formless and perfect
before the universe was born.
It is serene. Empty.
Solitary. Unchanging.
Infinite. Eternally present.
It is the mother of the universe.
For lack of a better name,
I call it the Tao.It flows through all things,
inside and outside, and returns
to the origin of all things.Man follows the earth.
Earth follows the universe.
The universe follows the Tao.
The Tao follows only itself.And here's the Hindus definition of Brahman.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrahmanA snippet on Brahman
"Au ? That supreme Brahman is infinite, and this conditioned Brahman is infinite. The infinite proceeds from infinite. If you subtract the infinite from the infinite, the infinite remains alone."Salam / Peace
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Greetings and Peace, all group
...Try to be consistent on your reasoning, if your God is 1000 years away, and since nothing can travel faster than light.
Then you can also deduct your reasoning to conclude that your God's home and his throne is within 1000 light years radius from earth.
Which means that your God's home is still within our Milky Way Galaxy.
...Science is full of theory. Many things do indeed travel faster than light.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation
The particles move faster than light does through a particular medium.
http//physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2000/jul/19/laser-smashes-light-speed-record
There is also the case of a laser accelerating photons through cesium vapor at 310 times the speed of light in a vacuum.
This is only with current science--and ALLAH only need say "be" in any case. What happens when space time is folded? hmm Imagine if a sheet of paper were one light year across, but it was folded so that the ends touch--how long would it take to travel from one end to the next?
I believe that much that we read about Paradise (the example of, remember?) is metaphorical. Beg pardon if the physics is too far off topic.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
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I am at a loss as to how anybody could start setting parameters to God and say where he "lives" or from where He does this or that.
?What? Are we going to get a God to the size of our own capability to conceive thiings that exist or do not exist? Where are those places when you die? What do you conceive whrn you die?
Why not discuss elfs' or fairies countries or planets?
On the other hand I have the understanding that seven in Arabic speech is a figure for large numbers, uncountable numbers. So the seven samawat may be a figure whcih means many, uncountable samawat...
Salaam
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Like I said, it's either a 'metaphor', thus your perception of it's meaning is incorrect.
Or it's literal,that (your) God does sits on a throne located in the planet called Paradise, have a latency of of "One God's Day which is equal to one thousand earth year" to pass the decision.
Like this
http//www.chriskuzneski.com/tour/throne_files/zeus_statue.jpgIt is silly to make an image for God while actually no one could know how God looks like.
Say He is Allah, the One! (1121)
Allah, the eternally Besought of all! (1122)
He begetteth not nor was begotten. (1123)
And there is none comparable unto Him. (1124)
And when I'm on Alpha Centari it tooks 4 years for your 'writing' to arrive to me. And another 4 years for my reply to arrive to you on earth.
(Assuming Light based transmission as commonly used with today's Internet)That is only the speed which is known to us by now .
http//themindunleashed.org/2013/12/nasa-making-huge-leaps-faster-light-warp-drive.html
information travel instantly with distance by telepathy,
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdmyUEVLRAMDoctor Laurence Brown prayed to God and God answered him instantly.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gr54pYc3AkYou are talking from your own mind as well, stop hiding behind holy relics or something beside you to back your opinion.
Not from my own mind,i follow the quran and not the philosophy of Tao which is human made and a silly fiction.
Try to be consistent on your reasoning, if your God is 1000 years away, and since nothing can travel faster than light.
Then you can also deduct your reasoning to conclude that your God's home and his throne is within 1000 light years radius from earth.
Which means that your God's home is still within our Milky Way Galaxy.Who said that God is 1000 years away,why i have to predict something which isn't in the quran,i don't follow fiction as the case in Taoism.
Thus I conclude that your God is definitely an Alien being living somewhere in Milky Way Galaxy.
Who said that God is living in our Galaxy and how did you concluded it,sorry your views is incoherent and unclear.
While for "My God"
Read Tao The Ching, and discern Lao Tse's description of Tao.And herewith the snippet.
There was something formless and perfect
before the universe was born.
It is serene. Empty.
Solitary. Unchanging.
Infinite. Eternally present.
It is the mother of the universe.
For lack of a better name,
I call it the Tao.It flows through all things,
inside and outside, and returns
to the origin of all things.Man follows the earth.
Earth follows the universe.
The universe follows the Tao.
The Tao follows only itself.And here's the Hindus definition of Brahman.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrahmanA snippet on Brahman
"Au ? That supreme Brahman is infinite, and this conditioned Brahman is infinite. The infinite proceeds from infinite. If you subtract the infinite from the infinite, the infinite remains alone."Salam / Peace
Taoism is a philosophy which is man made,i don't know how you could find the truth in following the ideas of men about the unknown supernatural power.
God sent us messengers to show us the correct path and not to make guesses such as the case in Taoism which is in my opinion not that far from Atheism as the universe thought to be created without a need of specific God .
God Guides you to his right path if you deserve his guidance.
Peace
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It is silly to make an image for God while actually no one could know how God looks like.
That's how the Greeks picture their God to be, sitting on a throne, just like you.
That is only the speed which is known to us by now .
http//themindunleashed.org/2013/12/nasa-making-huge-leaps-faster-light-warp-drive.html
information travel instantly with distance by telepathy,
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdmyUEVLRAMWarp drive is a theoretical method of "BENDING SPACE" and not "TRAVELING THROUGH SPACE".
Doctor Laurence Brown prayed to God and God answered him instantly.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gr54pYc3AkSo it seems that Doctor Laurence Brown's God is also my God.
My God know the content of any prayer even before it was being said. (fits well with definition of Heavenly Father as cited by Jesus)
It doesn't take him/it 1000 years to reckon and answer it.
My God doesn't have a home and/or location, since he/it's here there everywhere and beyond. (fits well with definition of Tao and Brahman)
My God is not a human thus it (literally) sits on a throne.And doesn't fit your definition of God which is
God directs all affairs from his throne in a day which is equivalent to a thousand of our counting.
Not from my own mind,i follow the quran and not the philosophy of Tao which is human made and a silly fiction.
Have you read the book?
Thus you can pass such judgement?
The definition of Tao (and Heavenly Father and also Brahman) fits perfectly with my definition of God.
And apparently not with yours, since your God has a home somewhere and he sits on a throne.Who said that God is living in our Galaxy and how did you concluded it,sorry your views is incoherent and unclear.
So where do you think your "Planet Paradise" a.k.a God's home with circumference of be 14400000000 Km is?
Salam / Peace
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Greetings and Peace, all group
Science is full of theory. Many things do indeed travel faster than light.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation
The particles move faster than light does through a particular medium.
http//physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/2000/jul/19/laser-smashes-light-speed-record
There is also the case of a laser accelerating photons through cesium vapor at 310 times the speed of light in a vacuum.
The current hypthesis is Those particles and accelerating photons is not traveling at all times evenly through space.
They jumped between "our space" and "beyond our space". Which also the basic theory for "Warp Drive" , bending space rather than traveling through it.Even now we do understand that every particle is "Blinking".
The findings become the foundation of "String Theory" which opened up the possibility of "Multiple Universe".
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theoryThus the hypothesis of "God has a home or specific location" is ridiculous with the 'revelation' of "Multiple Universe".
This is only with current science--and ALLAH only need say "be" in any case. What happens when space time is folded? hmm Imagine if a sheet of paper were one light year across, but it was folded so that the ends touch--how long would it take to travel from one end to the next?
That's exactly how "Warp Drive" works.
Even when space and time (as we know it) doesn't exist, Allah/Brahman/Tao/Heavenly Father still exist.
Thus it's kind of 'ridiculous' that Allah/Brahman/Tao/Heavenly Father has a 'location' or 'home'.
There's no need for Allah/Brahman/Tao/Heavenly Father to 'travel' since it's here there everywhere and beyond.And is it not amazing that a chinese who lived 2600 years ago and an Indian who lived 3000 years ago have written about the existence of such 'thing' ?
Salam / Peace
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That's how the Greeks picture their God to be, sitting on a throne, just like you.
But God isn't a man and also where did i say that God sit on a chair.
Warp drive is a theoretical method of "BENDING SPACE" and not "TRAVELING THROUGH SPACE".
So you think thats it,the maximum velocity is the light on our universe and no need to think beyond that.
Dr. White told the New York Times that since nature can travel at warp speeds, there is a chance that humans can figure out how to do it too.
So it seems that Doctor Laurence Brown's God is also my God.
So your God answered his prayer,which one Tao or the father in heaven and then not Allah.
Your hypocrisy is obvious.My God know the content of any prayer even before it was being said. (fits well with definition of Heavenly Father as cited by Jesus)
It doesn't take him/it 1000 years to reckon and answer it.
My God doesn't have a home and/or location, since he/it's here there everywhere and beyond. (fits well with definition of Tao and Brahman)
My God is not a human thus it (literally) sits on a throne.Yes your God is homeless and has no specific size,so he is maybe nothingness or his size is the size of the whole universe but still formless.
And doesn't fit your definition of God which is God directs all affairs from his throne in a day which is equivalent to a thousand of our counting.
You are insisting to say that God has no location then you contradict yourself by accepting the concept of the heavenly father so you have located him somewhere in heaven and also accepted him as being a father.
Have you read the book?
Thus you can pass such judgement?
The definition of Tao (and Heavenly Father and also Brahman) fits perfectly with my definition of God.
And apparently not with yours, since your God has a home somewhere and he sits on a throne.
So where do you think your "Planet Paradise" a.k.a God's home with circumference of be 14400000000 Km is?Salam / Peace
Again the father in heaven seems more logical than the one God that has no son.
Your own God is formless and homeless, my question to you
Does your God see or he is blind.
If he is able to see,how he could see.
Does he see everything all at the same moment.
Is your God spreading himself everywhere and so he settled himself everywhere and not in specific location.
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So your God answered his prayer,which one Tao or the father in heaven and then not Allah.
TAO/Father In Heaven/Brahman is just another name of my God.
I exclude Allah from that list, since your perception of Allah is clearly different from my perception of God.Your hypocrisy is obvious.
** WARNING AD HOMINEM DETECTED **
In case you don't know what AD HOMINEM is
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominemHypocrisy??
You mean the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. ?
Explain whyAnd I can clearly see that you haven't even read the Tao The Ching book and you blatantly pass judgement about it.
And what is the name for "THOSE WHO PASS JUDGEMENT ABOUT SOMETHING WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE"?Dr. White told the New York Times that since nature can travel at warp speeds, there is a chance that humans can figure out how to do it too.
It's "BENDING SPACE" and not "TRAVELING EVENLY THROUGH SPACE", thus the name "WARP".
Space are bent all over the place.
Even the space all around and near you.
You can't see it or detect it but you can see the implication of it.Yes your God is homeless and has no specific size,so he is maybe nothingness or his size is the size of the whole universe but still formless.
You are insisting to say that God has no location then you contradict yourself by accepting the concept of the heavenly father so you have located him somewhere in heaven and also accepted him as being a father.And what's the size of your God?
And where is he?
Oh I forgot you said his home is in Planet Paradise.
So where is this Planet Paradise the home of your God?A simple question, which you haven't been able to answer up to this point.
Heavenly Father DOES NOT mean his home is in a location called "Heaven".
I use the hebrew version of "Heavenly Father" then to avoid the confusion, "AVINU SEBASHAMAYIM".
As for "AVINU SEBASHAMAYIM" a.k.a YHVH"Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares YHVH"
Jeremiah 2324"And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together"
Colossians 117Which fits very well with definition of TAO, BRAHMAN and my perception of God.
But apparently not with yours.Does your God see or he is blind.
If he is able to see,how he could see.My God "see" (in metaphorical sense and not in literal sense in the way that human sees through their eyes) everything.
Does he see everything all at the same moment.
He "See" what's happening at the moment at all place.
He "See" what's happening in the future at all place.
He "See" what's happening in the past at all place.That's why I say it's different than human understanding of "Seeing"...
Is your God spreading himself everywhere and so he settled himself everywhere and not in specific location.
NO, The Space and time is spread within my God.
And my God is the one who spread it.
Thus there's no need of "Settling" or "Traveling" because he is not confined within Space and Time.
Space and Time depends on my God and not my God depends on Space and Time.While your God depends on Space, since he has a home in Planet Paradise.
Salam / Peace
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The Tao that is the subject of discussion is not the true Tao.
The quality which can be named is not its true attribute.
That which was before Heaven and Earth is called the Non-Existent.
The Existent is the mother of all things.
Therefore doth the wise man seek after the first mystery of the Non-Existent, while seeing in that which exists the Ultimates thereof.
The Non-Existent and Existent are identical in all but name.
This identity of apparent opposites I call the profound, the great deep, the open door of bewilderment.Translated by Walter Gorn Old (1904)
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elektro
TAO/Father In Heaven/Brahman is just another name of my God.
I exclude Allah from that list, since your perception of Allah is clearly different from my perception of God.Of course Allah isn't the same as your fictional deities.
One of your deity of Taoism is called The Jade Emperor.A story of the origin of the Jade Emperor is given in a Taoist scriptural text called Collected Scriptures on the Fundamental Deeds of the Lofty Jade Emperor ( Gaoshang Yuhuang Benxing Jijing). He was born of his parents the Supreme Lord of the Great Tao ( Taishang Dadaojun) and the Empress of Precious Moonlight ( Baoyueguang Huanghou). As a young child, his character and conduct was always marked by wisdom, kindness, and compassion. After he grew up, he inherited his father?s throne, but later renounced it to pursue spiritual cultivation. He achieved immortality after many thousands of eons of cultivation, and after another hundred million eons, he attained to the rank of the supreme Jade Emperor.
Reference http//jadeturtlerecords.blogspot.com/2011/02/jade-emperor.html
http//1.bp.blogspot.com/-b8N_XYs22QY/TVUOzNBIQ_I/AAAAAAAAAGI/brS0yv7ures/s640/Yuwang+Dadi+2.jpg
** WARNING AD HOMINEM DETECTED **
In case you don't know what AD HOMINEM is
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominemNo it isn't AD Hominem but you was indeed a hypocrite.
I showed you a video for Dr. Lawrence telling his own story which caused him to be guided to Islam and to believe in Allah but your comments that Tao is the one who answered his prayer and then not Allah.Hypocrisy??
You mean the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. ?
Explain whyYour comments that Tao answered his prayers without having your proof is lying and hence you are a hypocrite.
And I can clearly see that you haven't even read the Tao The Ching book and you blatantly pass judgement about it.
And what is the name for "THOSE WHO PASS JUDGEMENT ABOUT SOMETHING WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE"?I said to you i don't follow man made beliefs,yours is a philosophy combined with religious belief,it is a distortion of religion.
It's "BENDING SPACE" and not "TRAVELING EVENLY THROUGH SPACE", thus the name "WARP".
Space are bent all over the place.
Even the space all around and near you.
You can't see it or detect it but you can see the implication of it.I ain't discussing the mechanism or how it works but the result is achieving a traveling speed which is faster than the light.
Warp drive is a technology allowing faster-than-light travel through space, creating warp fields and forming a subspace bubble surrounding a starship, which, in turn, forms a distortion in space-time and allows the starship's movement to exceed the speed of light. The rates of movement above the speed of light are known as warp factors.
Reference http//stexpanded.wikia.com/wiki/Warp_driveAnd what's the size of your God?
And where is he?
Oh I forgot you said his home is in Planet Paradise.
So where is this Planet Paradise the home of your God?My thread about the size of paradise and not its location.
A simple question, which you haven't been able to answer up to this point.
Heavenly Father DOES NOT mean his home is in a location called "Heaven".
I use the hebrew version of "Heavenly Father" then to avoid the confusion, "AVINU SEBASHAMAYIM".
As for SEBASHAMAYIM""AVINU a.k.a YHVH"Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares YHVH"
Jeremiah 2324"And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together"
Colossians 117Which fits very well with definition of TAO, BRAHMAN and my perception of God.
But apparently not with yours.So you are supporting your point with verses from the bible whereas you didn't accept the verses from the quran.
FYI,the throne of God was mentioned multiple times in the bible.
Educate yourself (Throne of God) http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throne_of_GodMy God "see" (in metaphorical sense and not in literal sense in the way that human sees through their eyes) everything.
He "See" what's happening at the moment at all place.
He "See" what's happening in the future at all place.
He "See" what's happening in the past at all place.That's why I say it's different than human understanding of "Seeing"...
What do you mean he can see but not similar to us.
How can you create something without looking at it,lets speak logic.Can you make a TV while you are blind ?
Did God created Adam from distance.Lets speak reality and not fiction.
NO, The Space and time is spread within my God.
And my God is the one who spread it.
Thus there's no need of "Settling" or "Traveling" because he is not confined within Space and Time.
Space and Time depends on my God and not my God depends on Space and Time.While your God depends on Space, since he has a home in Planet Paradise.
Salam / Peace
So your God size is infinite.
Please from which source you know that God size is infinite.
What is your logic ?
Is it because the universe is huge then God should be so huge as well ?Should we be as tall as the skyscraper to built one ?
Why the size of the universe should be less than the size of God and to be within God's size ?
Please explain.Peace
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elektro
Of course Allah isn't the same as your fictional deities.
One of your deity of Taoism is called The Jade Emperor.A story of the origin of the Jade Emperor is given in a Taoist scriptural text called Collected Scriptures on the Fundamental Deeds of the Lofty Jade Emperor ( Gaoshang Yuhuang Benxing Jijing). He was born of his parents the Supreme Lord of the Great Tao ( Taishang Dadaojun) and the Empress of Precious Moonlight ( Baoyueguang Huanghou). As a young child, his character and conduct was always marked by wisdom, kindness, and compassion. After he grew up, he inherited his father?s throne, but later renounced it to pursue spiritual cultivation. He achieved immortality after many thousands of eons of cultivation, and after another hundred million eons, he attained to the rank of the supreme Jade Emperor.
Reference http//jadeturtlerecords.blogspot.com/2011/02/jade-emperor.html
http//1.bp.blogspot.com/-b8N_XYs22QY/TVUOzNBIQ_I/AAAAAAAAAGI/brS0yv7ures/s640/Yuwang+Dadi+2.jpg
It's the same as this
http//www.crystalinks.com/zeusgoldstatue.jpgAnd that's what happened when one view IT as human...
The picture above is another myth invented by human.
Like I said READ TAO THE CHING DIRECTLY and not the myth..
And apparently you haven't read it.. yet you pass judgement on it.I said to you i don't follow man made beliefs,yours is a philosophy combined with religious belief,it is a distortion of religion.
You follow your own belief, and you're a human.
And you viewed God as if it was a human.I ain't discussing the mechanism or how it works but the result is achieving a traveling speed which is faster than the light.
You need to understand how it works because 'nothing can be faster than light' is tightly coupled with condition of "within this space".
With warping/bending space, the object is not travelling faster than light from his own perspective, but it seems to be from other than him perspective.My thread about the size of paradise and not its location.
So you are supporting your point with verses from the bible whereas you didn't accept the verses from the quran.
FYI,the throne of God was mentioned multiple times in the bible.
Educate yourself (Throne of God) http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throne_of_GodAnd you said that Paradise is the home of your God?
I'll address this again below..What do you mean he can see but not similar to us.How can you create something without looking at it,lets speak logic.
Clearly you viewed your God as a human...
Did God created Adam from distance.
So your God was located near Adam when He created Adam?
How did your God create Adam? Sitting on his throne and create Adam with his hands?
In Paradise which is his home?So your God size is infinite.
What is your logic ? Is it because the universe is huge then God should be so huge as well ?
Should we be as tall as the skyscraper to built one ?
Why the size of the universe should be less than the size of God and to be within God's size ?
This universe cannot contain my God.
And what's the size of your God?But will ELOHYM indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?
-- 1 Kings 827But who is able to build him an house, seeing the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain Him?
-- 2 Chronicles 26Your God has a home, where is he? Where is his home?
My God did asked the same rhetorical question once..Thus saith YHVH
The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
-- Isaiah 661"Can a man hide himself in hiding places So I do not see him?" declares YHVH.
"Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?" declares YHVH
-- Jeremiah 2324 -
It's the same as this
http//www.crystalinks.com/zeusgoldstatue.jpgAnd that's what happened when one view IT as human...
The picture above is another myth invented by human.
Like I said READ TAO THE CHING DIRECTLY and not the myth..
And apparently you haven't read it.. yet you pass judgement on it.You follow your own belief, and you're a human.
And you viewed God as if it was a human.Tao is a philosophy combined with religious belief,so it is human invention and utter nonsense.
Taoism is such a philosophy. It starts and ends with observation of nature. In this way, it is just like science, but it is different in that science observes nature objectively, separate from the observer, whereas Taoism observes nature subjectively, seeing the observer and the observed as one entire system. This is the first principle of Taoism Oneness. There is not "just us," or "just nature," but both
Reference http//www.taoism.net/articles/mason/principl.htm
The IT is my source for information and from it i found out that Taoism is an utter nonsense invented by humans.
You need to understand how it works because 'nothing can be faster than light' is tightly coupled with condition of "within this space".
With warping/bending space, the object is not travelling faster than light from his own perspective, but it seems to be from other than him perspective.How fast do quantum interactions happen? Faster than light, 10,000 times faster.
That's what a team of physicists led by Juan Yin at the University of Science and Technology of China in Shanghai found in an experiment involving entangled photons, or photons that remain intimately connected, even when separated by vast distances.They wanted to see what would happen if you tried assigning a speed to what Einstein called "spooky action at a distance."
Reference http//www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread936918/pg1There are people who can communicate telepathically over great distances and with complete accuracy. Space and time are no barriers to telepathy, as the communication process is taking place upon the Mental Plane beyond the confines of space and time, and is therefore instantaneous, being a projection of Energy in the form of vibration.
Reference http//www.ourultimatereality.com/telepathy-or-the-ability-of-thought-transfer.htmlAnd you said that Paradise is the home of your God?
I'll address this again below..Clearly you viewed your God as a human...
His thrown is in the paradise and no he isn't a human.
I follow a holy book and not a philosophy to imagine how God looks like.No one on earth can know how God looks like or who is he,so it is better to stop your disgusting utter nonsense.
So your God was located near Adam when He created Adam?
How did your God create Adam? Sitting on his throne and create Adam with his hands?
In Paradise which is his home?Who said that God sit on his thrown,but God had his thrown and he had his paradise and he had his creations,something which is hard for you to understand because you are hanging on the philosophy of Taoism and other nonsense which is the roads for satanism.
This universe cannot contain my God.
And what's the size of your God?I can't know what God's size because i don't speak philosophy.
But with your philosophy you can know and describe God the way you wish.But will ELOHYM indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?
-- 1 Kings 827But who is able to build him an house, seeing the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain Him?
-- 2 Chronicles 26Your God has a home, where is he? Where is his home?
My God did asked the same rhetorical question once..Thus saith YHVH
The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
-- Isaiah 661"Can a man hide himself in hiding places So I do not see him?" declares YHVH.
"Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?" declares YHVH
-- Jeremiah 2324WOW,so you are quoting from the OT,are you a Tao or a Jew !!!
OK,so you think that in the bible God isn't something that has a form.
Then explain this to us, you smart man
Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden.( Genesis 38 )
Awaiting for your utter nonsensical replies as usual.
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Tao is a philosophy combined with religious belief,so it is human invention and utter nonsense.
Agree with you.
Just like Sunni-Shia, mixing Quran's religious teaching with traditions, cultures and other principals.What Jafar do is circular reasoning.He mixed the theology by using many Scriptures which contradict each other and he create his own definition of God and faith.
We must follow the God, not create our own god (imagination, paganism).
So we must consistent, if we want became muslim then used Quran as source, if we want became Hindhu, used Hindhu's Scriptures as source.And if we still in doubt, just pray and ask Him to show His signs and natures, before create any conclusion hastily.
Sorry for little bit rude and peace be upon you all. handshake