The Quran was sent down in the 4th Century?
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Peace,
There are no books! rotfl
Only a decree and recited information.
God bless you
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Salam virtueorvice
I am interested in what you are proposing but i cannot accept that some people could survive in a cave for 300 years. If you are saying that Allah made a miracle or did an exception in His laws, then, it contradicts the Qur'an that asserts Allah never changes His words nor His Laws 4823 This is God's law that has been in force since older times. And you will never find any change in God's laws.
The rendering of "sunnah" from the Quranic perspective is not LAW but SYSTEM / METHOD. If you read before and after the verse you quoted, you will find that it is about a conflict that did not physically occurred and that the Prophet and his followers attained a victory over the unbelievers. ALLAH will not change his system, that is, as believers and those who do righteous, will be protected and succored.
This is HIS system.The story of the People of the Cave is a mysterious allegory and I am not aware of any historical evidence suggesting that some people were sleeping there for 300+ years and then resurrected back to consciousness again. (If someone truly understands those verses without resorting to unnatural phenomena I would appreciate it if he helps me obtain a better picture!)
There are many examples in the Quran where ALLAH resurrected the dead, please read 0255-56; 02259; 05110. These events are not allegory. If it is, than, ALLAH will have say so as HE is never short of words.
Further, the event of the Sleepers were an example to the people that ALLAH has the power of resurrect. AQ 1821
And similarly, We caused them to be found that they would know that the promise of Allah is truth and that of the Hour there is no doubt. when they disputed among themselves about their affair and said, "Construct over them a structure. Their Lord is most knowing about them." Said those who prevailed in the matter, "We will surely take over them a masjid."
Would you please elaborate further?!
Historical evidence suggest that there was a prophet in the 3rd Century CE who -
A. Proclaim himself to be the prophesied Paraclete, the divine helper of mankind, and the last of the great prophets.
B. That when he was twelve years old, he experienced a vision in which an Angel instructed him to withdraw and begin to purify himself with ascetic practices. The Angel this second time, called upon him to preach a new religion.
C. He was not, at first, well received, and was forced to flee the country.
D. Wrote 7 books
E. He was not an Arab
Quranic evidence of Prophet Muhammad is
A. Last Prophet - 3340
B. Met Jibril 2 times - 5304 -13
C. Migrated - 0940
D. Given 7 of the second one - and the Grand Quran - 1587
E. Prophet Muhammad was not an Arab. Descended from the Prophetic lineage of Ishaq of the family of Abraham - 1206; 2927
From the above Quranic evidence and Historical evidence and further, from the Quranic evidence which shows that the Bible was written at the time when the Quran was sent down to the Prophet, it is plausible that, that prophet was Muhammad and that the event happened in the 4th Century,
Peace
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Salam to you brother,
There are many examples in the Quran where ALLAH resurrected the dead, please read 0255-56; 02259; 05110. These events are not allegory. If it is, than, ALLAH will have say so as HE is never short of words.
The verses you have mentioned are not examples of physical resurrections. We know that the Qur'an is an allegorical book in many places. Raising from the dead doesn't necessarily mean bringing someone who is dead, back to life. It is an idiom for raising someone who is intellectually dead back to a flourishing and vibrant state of conscious and understanding.
When the Qur'an says 2171 The likeness of such blind followers is that (of a herd of sheep) which hear the shepherd's call, but hear in it nothing more than a sound and a shout. Deaf, dumb, blind, for they do not use their reason.
Deaf, dumb, blind are not physical states but intellectual/psychological states. So we know that the Qur'an uses Mathals (Examples and Allegories) for conveying the meaning better. 2943 Such are the examples We cite for mankind, but only men and women with knowledge of sciences will make best use of their intellect.
Without applying science to the Qur'an, we cannot fully comprehend it. As you are trying to apply historical and archaeological sciences to the Qur'an, we need to consider physical sciences as well. From the laws of physics and thermodynamics we know that no biological system can survive death. So before the Day of Judgment, which is a firm promise from Allah, no human being should be able to come from a disintegrated state back to life. For a person to become alive again (after being dead for some time), we need a change in physical laws and that's not possible. So that I prefer to understand those verses by understanding allegories.
Regarding the 3rd century prophet, would you please quote some references?!
I cannot understand how Muhammad (S) was not an Arab but the Qur'an is in Arabic?! 4458 (O Prophet) We have made this Qur'an easy in your tongue, in order that they may take it to heart.
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Salam Brother.
The verses you have mentioned are not examples of physical resurrections. We know that the Qur'an is an allegorical book in many places. Raising from the dead doesn't necessarily mean bringing someone who is dead, back to life. It is an idiom for raising someone who is intellectually dead back to a flourishing and vibrant state of conscious and understanding.
When the Qur'an says 2171 The likeness of such blind followers is that (of a herd of sheep) which hear the shepherd's call, but hear in it nothing more than a sound and a shout. Deaf, dumb, blind, for they do not use their reason.
Deaf, dumb, blind are not physical states but intellectual/psychological states. So we know that the Qur'an uses Mathals (Examples and Allegories) for conveying the meaning better. 2943 Such are the examples We cite for mankind, but only men and women with knowledge of sciences will make best use of their intellect.
Without applying science to the Qur'an, we cannot fully comprehend it. As you are trying to apply historical and archaeological sciences to the Qur'an, we need to consider physical sciences as well. From the laws of physics and thermodynamics we know that no biological system can survive death. So before the Day of Judgment, which is a firm promise from Allah, no human being should be able to come from a disintegrated state back to life. For a person to become alive again (after being dead for some time), we need a change in physical laws and that's not possible. So that I prefer to understand those verses by understanding allegories.
Very good explanation, I concur with you. As for the 7 sleepers, they did not die but slept for 300 years and thereafter, ALLAH woke them up. No where in the Quran that say they were raised from the dead! Can you explain and I thank you in advance.
Regarding the 3rd century prophet, would you please quote some references?!
Please google Prophet Mani.
I cannot understand how Muhammad (S) was not an Arab but the Qur'an is in Arabic?! 4458 (O Prophet) We have made this Qur'an easy in your tongue, in order that they may take it to heart.
In the Quran 1206 and 2927, tells us that Prophet Muhammad was descended from Prophet Ishaq. It proofs that the Prophet was not an Arab nor an Israelite and that he was not first sent to the Arabs. In fact, the Quranic language which is of his tongue, proofs that he was from Levant. Quranic language does not come with the Quran, in fact, the Quranic language were the language of the Prophets from the family of Abraham. It is also a lingua franca of the Middle East including Persia . As for Aramaic / Syriac, they were dialects of the Levant as Sabaic and Thalmudic were to Southern Arabia.
Peace
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I agree that resurrection should be understood as language.
Resurrection is a very powerful language to explain espiritual raising. Great writer Lev Tolstoi, a spiritual christian, so understood it in his novel Resurrection. It means to raise from the dead, from the spiritually dead, no physical resurrection which in fact nobody believes in. If somebody who was thought to be dead turn out later to be living, nobody thinks he or hse has resurrected but rather that they were not really dead. No resurrection is ever acknowledged by those around the "resurrected".
Salaam
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Salam,
Very good explanation, I concur with you. As for the 7 sleepers, they did not die but slept for 300 years and thereafter, ALLAH woke them up. No where in the Quran that say they were raised from the dead! Can you explain and I thank you in advance.
People cannot survive 300 years in sleep. Biological processes need energy and we need to ingest food and water that provide for us the energy to survive. Even those patients with brain death take their required energy through devices.
Very interestingly, the Qur'an asserts that death is like a prolonged state of sleep
3942 (Only the living of the mind and heart can make choices in this world.) It is God Who takes their consciousness upon death, and of the living during their sleep. He withholds it for those upon whom He has passed the decree of death, and restores the others until an appointed time (according to His laws). Herein are signs for people who think.
660 He suspends your consciousness during sleep at night, and knows what you do by day, when awake. He resurrects you every morning until your life span is completed. Death is, likewise, a temporary suspension of consciousness and afterward to Him is your return (3942). Then, He will inform you of what you really accomplished.
3651 And when the Trumpet is blown, out of their disintegrated states to their Lord they will run.
3652 They will say, ?Oh, woe to us! Who has awakened us from our beds of sleep? This is what the Beneficent promised, and the Messengers spoke the truth.?
Regarding the chain of messengers, I would suggest you read brother Pazuzu's posts on this forum as he claims that all the prophets mentioned in the Qur'an must have come from a same place which is probably Yemen and South Western Arabia.
All the prophets named in the Qur'an, spoke languages that were related to the Arabic of the Qur'an.
Persian is an Endo-European language different from Arabic that is an Afro-Asiatic language.
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To my knowledge, with regard to people of the cave there is no mention of 300 years in Quran.
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Fa darabna AAala athanihim fee al kahfi sineena AAadadan = So We sealed/covered on/over their ears in the cave some yearsThe verse is literally saying the effect of "DRB on/over their ears in the cave" lasted several years. This seems to suggest God kept them isolated in the cave, when they were hiding out, thus cut off from the outside world. Mustansir Mir in "Verbal Idioms of The Qur'an" says it is an idiom meaning to prevent someone from hearing something, sealing off, or put to sleep. The only other related example in which DRB with something is done on/over something else is 2431, when covers are cast over chests.
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Salam
People cannot survive 300 years in sleep. Biological processes need energy and we need to ingest food and water that provide for us the energy to survive. Even those patients with brain death take their required energy through devices.
Very interestingly, the Qur'an asserts that death is like a prolonged state of sleep
3942 (Only the living of the mind and heart can make choices in this world.) It is God Who takes their consciousness upon death, and of the living during their sleep. He withholds it for those upon whom He has passed the decree of death, and restores the others until an appointed time (according to His laws). Herein are signs for people who think.
660 He suspends your consciousness during sleep at night, and knows what you do by day, when awake. He resurrects you every morning until your life span is completed. Death is, likewise, a temporary suspension of consciousness and afterward to Him is your return (3942). Then, He will inform you of what you really accomplished.
3651 And when the Trumpet is blown, out of their disintegrated states to their Lord they will run.
3652 They will say, ?Oh, woe to us! Who has awakened us from our beds of sleep? This is what the Beneficent promised, and the Messengers spoke the truth.?
AQ.1818 - And you would think them awake, while they were asleep. And We turned them to the right and to the left, while their dog stretched his forelegs at the entrance. If you had looked at them, you would have turned from them in flight and been filled by them with terror.
These are not signs of dead men but men who slept and unknowingly turn their bodies to the right and left - ALLAH suspend their conscientiousness during sleep for 300 years. ALLAH CAN DO WONDERS.
AQ.4506 - These are the verses of ALLAH which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement after Allah and His verses will they believe?
Regarding the chain of messengers, I would suggest you read brother Pazuzu's posts on this forum as he claims that all the prophets mentioned in the Qur'an must have come from a same place which is probably Yemen and South Western Arabia.
I have read his works and respect them. In fact, it was Pazuzu who provide me very important information to my research pertaining to the migration of the Prophet, which is actually to Yemen and not as what the Hadith said. But I do not agreed with him pertaining to the abovementioned. The Quran stated 3775 to 138, where we are told that the Prophet passed by the sites, of where the prophets mentioned in these said verses, resided. These prophets were Nuh, Abraham, Ishaq, Musa, Harun, Alyasin and Lut. Why only some of the said prophets mentioned in 0683 to 86, where were the others, 11 prophets? I did ask him but no response!
Peace
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Salam,
ALLAH CAN DO WONDERS.
Dear brother,
Of course, Allah can do wonders. But Allah has established Himself upon the Laws He has applied to the current Universe. He is not going to violate those laws in order for some foolish people to believe in Him.
Please reflect on these Qur'anic verses
10101 Say, ?Look and ponder what is in the heavens and earth! No miracles and no warnings will help those people who have chosen to disbelieve.
6109 They swear by God that if a miracle comes to them, they would believe in it (the Book). Say, ?All miracles are with God (if you reflect on the Universe). What can make you understand that even if a physical miracle came to them, they would find other excuses and still not believe?
6110 Our law keeps their hearts and their eyes turned away from the truth. Since they have preemptively rejected it (the Qur'an), We let them wander blindly in their rebellious attitude.
6111 Even if We caused the angels to descend to them, and the dead to speak to them, and lined up all the miracles before them, they would not believe. People can be guided only according to God's laws, but most of them choose the way of ignorance.
What we deem as miracles (supernatural events) in the Qur'an are either our misunderstanding, lack of knowledge or our blind insistence on the Biblical teachings.
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Peace Virtuorvice
I am curious how you explain for example
1--The birth of Jesus?
2- The parting of the sea for Moses?...
GOD bless you.
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Peace Virtuorvice
I am curious how you explain for example
1--The birth of Jesus?
2- The parting of the sea for Moses?...
GOD bless you.
Peace.Salam,
There was no sea and there was no parting of the sea. Moses managed to find a way to cross a river while Pharaoh and his companions failed to do so.
Isa was born like all the other humans combination of a male and female gamete- which means Isa has a biological father and mother like every other human being on this planet.
As I mentioned in my previous post, many of our misconceptions about the messengers before Muhammad (S) originate from the Bible. There's no mention of miracles and supernatural phenomena in the Qur'an while the Bible is full of miracles and supernatural phenomena.
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peace all,
Re The birth of Jesus?
This could be explained by the hermaphrodite theory - search forum for further info.Re The parting of the sea for Moses?
This could be explained by the phenomenon of pre-tsunami whereupon water recedes rapidly then rushes in rapidly, or a phenomenon called wind set-down.Or something else, obviously. Since we don't know everything. Just some thoughts.
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Peace Virtueorvice.
"Isa was born like all the other humans combination of a male and female gamete- which means Isa has a biological father and mother like every other human being on this planet".
How about
1920
She said, "How can I have a son, when no man has touched me; I have never been unchaste."There was no male combination?
GOD bless you.
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Peace,
First we need to define "miracle"
Definition of miracle (n)
Bing Dictionary
mir?a?cle1.act of God an event that appears to be contrary to the laws of nature and is regarded as an act of God
2.amazing event an event or action that is amazing, extraordinary, or unexpected
3.marvelous example something admired as a marvelous creation or example of a particular type of science or skill
definition #1. act of God an event that appears to be contrary to the laws of nature and is regarded as an act of God
Applying definition #1 qualifies both Adam and Jesus both as miracles
Adam had no mother or father while Jesus had no father. Both created without sexual intercourse.
God bless
peace
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Salam,
Peace Virtueorvice.
"Isa was born like all the other humans combination of a male and female gamete- which means Isa has a biological father and mother like every other human being on this planet".
How about
1920
She said, "How can I have a son, when no man has touched me; I have never been unchaste."There was no male combination?
GOD bless you.
Peace.1920 She said, "How can I have a son when no man has ever (intimately) touched me? For, never have I been a loose woman!?
1921 The angel answered Thus it is - Your Lord says, ?It is easy for Me, so that We make him a symbol for people and a grace from Us. And it is a thing decreed.?OK! Maryam wasn't unchaste; after some time she found a husband and married him and bore a child. Only they were living away from their original community.
The Qur'an doesn't say the Isa was born out of a virgin, it only narrates the declaration of the news of a son (Isa) to Maryam!
Consider this
Someone tells a female that she will have a daughter. The female exclaims that she is not dating someone and has no man in her life. After some years the female bears a daughter- so, should we consider that she was a virgin or that she dated some guy, married him and then get impregnated?!
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Peace,
First we need to define "miracle"
Definition of miracle (n)
Bing Dictionary
mir?a?cle1.act of God an event that appears to be contrary to the laws of nature and is regarded as an act of God
2.amazing event an event or action that is amazing, extraordinary, or unexpected
3.marvelous example something admired as a marvelous creation or example of a particular type of science or skill
definition #1. act of God an event that appears to be contrary to the laws of nature and is regarded as an act of God
Applying definition #1 qualifies both Adam and Jesus both as miracles
Adam had no mother or father while Jesus had no father. Both created without sexual intercourse.
God bless
peace
Peace Brother hawk99,
Explicit explanation.
Peace Bro vov,
No offence but are you clear now?
ALLAH BLESS US ALL pr
