The Quran was sent down in the 4th Century?
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Peace, Hizbullah.
Very good observations. Until recently, I was debating internally if Muhammad lived close to the time of Umru al-Qays, or if he was contemporary with Aelius Gallus, when the Romans were defeated near Ma'rib (after they were victorious around Najran). Anyway, there is no doubt anymore in my mind that the Quran could not have come from the 7th Century. It's all hogwash
Also, the war that Umru' Qays (the same "Amorkesos" of the Roman records) fought against the kings of Najran was because he wanted to expand towards the Red Sea coast. This obsession of reaching the coast and controlling the caravan routes was a trend followed by many of his predecessors, centuries down the line, and would be followed again by the kings of al-Heera (a state in Iraq) two centuries after Umru'. It will all be made clear in Book 4, where I will present a new dimension of the fraud that was perpetrated. These imbeciles who wrote our history want us to believe that the Assyrians and Babylonians launched no less than seven (possibly eight) campaigns, 2 of which were destructive beyond imagination, on the tiny and economically insignificant stretch of land in Palestine, which even today, the Zionist state controlling it could not exist without yearly aid in the billions coming from the west.
No less than 6 classical historians (among them Tabari, the "super Imam of Islamic history" are unanimous about the fact that Nebuchadnessar laid waste to the Hijaz, Nejd and Yemen in the bygone eras. And yet the modern historians have chosen to ignore these classical reports as delusions, while continuing to believe the Orientalist garbage associating the Babylonian Exile with Palestine.
There is lore among the old people of Yemen, who said that the Prophet came to Yemen from Iraq and built the Grand Mosque of San?a, on the actual site of the Temple of Solomon!
Are you certain it's not Abraham who is being referred to there?
Thanks a bunch.
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Peace Bro Pazuzu with respect.
Thank you very much. bro.
In fact, there were many things happened in the 3rd / 4th Century of CE. Insha ALLAH, I will come to that very soon
Also, the war that Umru' Qays (the same "Amorkesos" of the Roman records) fought against the kings of Najran was because he wanted to expand towards the Red Sea coast. This obsession of reaching the coast and controlling the caravan routes was a trend followed by many of his predecessors, centuries down the line, and would be followed again by the kings of al-Heera (a state in Iraq) two centuries after Umru'. It will all be made clear in Book 4, where I will present a new dimension of the fraud that was perpetrated. These imbeciles who wrote our history want us to believe that the Assyrians and Babylonians launched no less than seven (possibly eight) campaigns, 2 of which were destructive beyond imagination, on the tiny and economically insignificant stretch of land in Palestine, which even today, the Zionist state controlling it could not exist without yearly aid in the billions coming from the west.
No less than 6 classical historians (among them Tabari, the "super Imam of Islamic history" are unanimous about the fact that Nebuchadnessar laid waste to the Hijaz, Nejd and Yemen in the bygone eras. And yet the modern historians have chosen to ignore these classical reports as delusions, while continuing to believe the Orientalist garbage associating the Babylonian Exile with Palestine.
I concur with you 100%. Please inform me of your coming books, thank you again.
Are you certain it's not Abraham who is being referred to there?
Yes I am because Abraham was the ancestor of Ya3coub. During the Ministry of Eesa, some descendents of Ya3quob were a contemporaries of Eesa. So when Eesa said "a man from the progeny of Ya3qoub" he meant other than those already were with him.
Thanks a bunch.
Most welcome
Peace
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The text written on wooden strip with the Cursive Musnad Script is simply a legal document contains to a certain extent, Quranic instruction in maintaining equality to wives - 0403.
The text states that a certain amount (the actual number has been left open) of Sorghum that a man has to provide for four women. Could these 4 women, be his wives? If not, why a legal document was issued in the matter? Was the man given a legal order to divide the Sorghum, probably what he earned from his land and divide among his 4 wives equally?
The text dated on palaeographic grounds to the 3rd / 4th century CE.
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4.3 Does no speak of poligamy or monogamy. It has nothig to do with that either to allow it or to disallow it, and four women are four women not four wives. Women exist even when they are not sombody's wives. Dividing some land between four it could be even between four ex-wives or four aunts or a mixture of women beneficiaries. Or between any four women who one may want to compensate for something or help out some way.
What would have been thought if the persons to whom the donation was made were men and the donnor a woman? They could be any four men, right?
Salaam
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4.3 Does no speak of poligamy or monogamy. It has nothig to do with that either to allow it or to disallow it,
So you have said it, if i understand you correctly, it could be 4 young single women among the orphans.
and four women are four women not four wives. Women exist even when they are not sombody's wives. Dividing some land between four it could be even between four ex-wives or four aunts or a mixture of women beneficiaries. Or between any four women who one may want to compensate for something or help out some way.
Btw, if you read what i have written, you will see the question marks! I have lots of Quranic evidences and Historical evidences to prove my point. However, this is only one, which is something very interesting and it could be as what you implies, dividing what reap from the man's land among 4 single women among the orphans?
peace
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According to Professor Peter Stein - University of Jena, Germany, who is the world expert on this script; the correct rendering of the ancient text is that it is a legal document which states that a certain amount (the actual number has been left open) of Sorghum has been granted by A MAN TO FOUR WOMEN.
So base on Professor Peter Stein interpretation, the text seems to show alms / charity towards the women. It also seems to be very similar to the Quran 0403....If suppose the word NIKAH is not part of Q0403 - ? the Quranic verse sound like??
And if you fear that you cannot distribute in the orphans, what seems suitable you all of the women, two or three or four, so that you fear you cannot be just, then one or those your right hand possesses. That is more suitable that you may not incline.
If you read further verse 0404, there is no word "dowry" but instead it mentions "charity".
Q0404 - And give the women their alms / charity graciously. But if they give up willingly to you anything of it, then take it in satisfaction and ease.
Now, if this is the case, 0403 ? 0404, did not render the marriage of orphans among the women but instead to give charity to the women, affordable to the donor, 2, 3 or 4 women, but if he / she cannot afford than 1 is enough.
The reason why i believe the word "NIKAH" was indoctrinated is that if someone fear because he could not provide or distribute some things than that means he is lack of financial or other means of support. Than how can he marries 2 or 3 or 4 women? This will put more burden on him considering if he already has a wife to support.
Furthermore, the 1st sentence of this Chapter starting with the word "Oh Mankind" referring to both men and women.
Conclusion - the ancient text does provide prove of Quranic Law used in the 3rd / 4th Century CE.
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the biggest quranic law, there is only one God, since adam to muhammad,
the same law applied to moses,jesus ,abraham
so does this mean quran was there since adam. your law of wodden frame is not solid in its subject, wheras my law of one God is solid and verifyable,
conclusion, the nature of evidence is always very clear not in guesses.
peace God bless all of you and i wish people dnt listen some claims which they have no knowledge off,
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one more thing, the language used in quran is arabic and quran was first proper book of arabic recorded in history now this language is spreading with the passage of time, before quran i dnt remember any historical records indicate any literature in arabic .
rest of the scriptures lost their original language ages ago, think about it, what is the reason
the people of that time was confused about the nature of quran whether its prose or poetry. but whatever it was no doubt it was masterpiece. nobody never had a literature like this before. at that time it was the starting era of philospy poetry and literature, and quran play a vital role in it. the style of language amazed the arabs at that time who were thinking they are the best poets of world.
quran is still amazing us in the shape of scientific discoveries ,
i dnt know what will discover from quran by next generations , and so on,
cant you see the heavens without pillars. hmm look at it , you will not find any rift in it , look it again your eyes will turned back to you humilated.
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Thank you for your reply, Imran
the biggest quranic law, there is only one God, since adam to muhammad,
Off course that goes without saying!
the same law applied to moses,jesus ,abraham
so does this mean quran was there since adam. your law of wodden frame is not solid in its subject, wheras my law of one God is solid and verifyable,
conclusion, the nature of evidence is always very clear not in guesses.
peace God bless all of you and i wish people dnt listen some claims which they have no knowledge off,
Please use your GOD given faculty of intelligence and try to comprehand what i have bring forth! The main idea of this thread is to proof to people like you and those sectarian and those hypocrites, who refuse to follow what the Quran says and instead follow the 7th Century conjectures in which you and they are fond off. The Quran is much older than what people like you, those sectarians and those hypocrites taught! The Quranic verses which i have shown are my proves. Btw, did you even read it? The Quran says in 1689
We have sent down to you the Book as manifestation for all things and as guidance and mercy and good tidings for the Muslims.
Sure enough the Quran is a manifestation to those who use their GOD given faculty of intelligence.
one more thing, the language used in quran is arabic and quran was first proper book of arabic recorded in history now this language is spreading with the passage of time, before quran i dnt remember any historical records indicate any literature in arabic .
You have been deluded into believing that the Quran was sent down in Arabic. There were several sent down to the Prophet - . It was in several different languages - considering the fact that Messengers were sent in their own languages and it is not sent down in one geographical area! In case you have forgotten not all people in this world are Arabs. So what about those other people in this world? How to make things clear to them? ALLAH will never contradict HIMSELF by saying that he will sent messengers in the language of his people in order to make things clear to them but yet only the Arabic Quran was sent down? If you are really sure, you already contradict yourself!
rest of the scriptures lost their original language ages ago, think about it, what is the reason
Who did it?
the people of that time was confused about the nature of quran whether its prose or poetry. but whatever it was no doubt it was masterpiece. nobody never had a literature like this before. at that time it was the starting era of philospy poetry and literature, and quran play a vital role in it. the style of language amazed the arabs at that time who were thinking they are the best poets of world.
There was the Furqan follow by its sections, Tawrat and Injeel before the Quran. This Arabic version was originally in the Musnad Script like the one i posted. The Quran 6304
And when you see them, you wonder their personality, and if they speak, you listen to their speech. They were Musnad script....
You can deny all you want. I am not forcing you or anyone to believe!
quran is still amazing us in the shape of scientific discoveries ,
i dnt know what will discover from quran by next generations , and so on,
What is the point of saying the Quran is amazing, its this and that, but when Quranic verses are shown, you are intrigue by the facts of the Quran especially pertaining to its origin.
cant you see the heavens without pillars. hmm look at it , you will not find any rift in it , look it again your eyes will turned back to you humilated.
peace
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Hizbullah is right in some things, but Quran is an Arabic scripture, it was made written in Arabic, Quran even says it is knowledge (al-kitab) in Arabic. It could be possible it would be written with older symbols for the letters, but the language is nevertheless Arabic, the structure, integrity and linguistic use is just as when it was made written except some minor deviations that malicious clerics were responsible for.
He is however right that it was made written centuries before the 7th century, my personal estimation is 4th to 5th century A.D, but I could accept indications towards even an earlier century if there was solid empirical research.
He is also right that malicious clerics abused Quran, made it as according to them and used Muhammad to write horrible narratives concerning a man and his cruel conquest of land and zealous spread of his doctrine. Everything that happened in this 7th century was their plot. The so-called "Islamic golden age" was mainly based on conquered technology and wealth of the Roman and Persian empires and also by conquering their trade routes in Asia. Their onslaught was not at all sanctioned by Allah and they will obviously pay for what they have done.
You can call them terrorists that conquered large expanses of land and tipped off a vulnerable government in Persia and then had the wealth to continue to fund their terrorism. Just like today they rallied people to their cause with lies and indoctrination, and Quran was interpreted in a way that it was made convenient to them. All it took was some very authoritative clerics, a myth and a legend (Muhammad).
A scripture would first of all never glamor warfare and not at all speak of it as much as Quran allegedly does.
If a person manages to decipher Quran properly they would see that those clerics indulged in pure fiction and it is as if an entirely different text emerges. This Manifestation goes to the bottom with the intricate nature of Allah, who we are and solutions to our spiritual problems. The clerics did not have a clue of what Quran was about and only interpreted it as according to themselves.
Be well
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As for the 7 sleepers, they did not die but slept for 300 years and thereafter, ALLAH woke them up.
Humans can hibernate in certain conditions....not sure if it they can go for years though.
Knowledge about it is still scarce. Researchers and doctors are giving conflicting info on what actually can make a human hibernate.
1.Can humans hibernate? As a driver survives for TWO MONTHS trapped without food at -30c, this theory could transform medicine
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Although he had no food, he had been able to drink melted snow.
As Dr Ulf Segerberg, the chief medical officer at Norrland?s University Hospital in Umea, explains ?Humans can tolerate a month of starvation, so long as they have water to drink.?
But he was also buried deep in snow, and research indicates that conditions inside this freezing, fusty tomb may have set off a ?hibernation? response in his body.
Until recently, mainstream medical wisdom has said that the bodies of humans and other primates do not have hibernation mechanisms.
But this has been overturned by experiments at Arizona University in a sealed artificial environment called Biosphere 2, which covers the size of 2? football fields.
Dr Roy Walford has studied what happens to human volunteers living in the Biosphere when the temperature is lowered, the level of oxygen in the atmosphere is reduced and they are deprived of food ? conditions mirroring those in Skyllberg?s car.
After several months, Dr Walford found that the volunteers? blood became better at retaining oxygen, thanks to a drop in levels of a chemical called erythrocyte which releases oxygen into the muscles and organs.
Their heart rate and breathing became sluggish, but they did survive the challenging conditions.
When Walford reported the results of the experiment in a scientific publication, Journals of Gerontology, he noted that the changes were characteristic of those found in hibernating animals.2.Can Humans Hibernate? Idea May Not Be So Crazy
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"Occasionally, seemingly miraculous cases of humans going in and out of hibernation-like states are reported. In 2006, for example, a 35-year-old man was rescued on a snowy mountainside in Japan 24 days after going missing. He seemed to have survived by entering a state of nearly suspended animation His organs had shut down, his body temperature had dropped to 71 degrees, and his metabolism had slowed almost to a standstill. Subsequently, the man made a full recovery.How could this extraordinary event have occurred? Was the Japanese man really hibernating like a bear? And is the ability to enter and wake from a prolonged slumber restricted to a few lucky individuals, or, in the right circumstances, can we all do it?
In recent years, many scientists have come to believe that outlandish survival stories are not mere flukes or media exaggerations, but rather manifestations of a latent ability to hibernate that all humans possess.
Hydrogen sulfide The sleeping gas
A cell biologist named Mark Roth and his colleagues at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle think that a gaseous compound called hydrogen sulfide may be the key to suspended animation.
In a watershed experiment in 2005, the researchers induced hibernation for the first time in lab mice by having them inhale large doses of hydrogen sulfide gas. The chemical bound with cells in place of oxygen, effectively shutting off all metabolic processes in the mice, and significantly reducing their body temperature. Hours later, when scientists replaced the hydrogen sulfide with normal air, the mice came out of hibernation and showed no adverse effects from the ordeal.
"We think this may be a latent ability that all mammals have potentially even humans and we're just harnessing it and turning it on and off, inducing a state of hibernation on demand," Roth told LiveScience, a sister site to Life's Little Mysteries, shortly after the publication of his and his colleagues' results in the journal Science.
Since then, researchers in the Roth Lab have continued experimenting with the compound. They are studying its effect on C. elegans, a species of roundworm. "Worms have exactly the same response as humans to hydrogen sulfide," Jason Pitt, a postdoctoral fellow in the Roth Lab, recently told Life's Little Mysteries. "If you get exposed to hydrogen sulfide, you have what's called a 'knockdown.' You immediately lose consciousness. If you stay there, you'll die. If you're removed and taken into fresh air, you recover. These small worms do the same thing."
Because humans and worms respond similarly to hydrogen sulfide exposure, and because C. elegans is genetically simple, making its reaction to the compound easier to decipher than ours, it is a perfect model organism for studying the chemical's intriguing effects.
Someday, researchers hope the gas can be used to induce hibernation in humans, which could enable everything from long-distance space travel to suspended animation during trauma recovery. Need to get to Jupiter, but can't fit enough food on your spaceship? Just hibernate on the way. Need a kidney transplant, but don't have an organ donor lined up? Just go to sleep and wait for one.
But we're not at that point yet. "Because we don't know more about how hydrogen sulfide is working, we haven't been able to do the same thing in people as we've done in other organisms," Pitt said. "We're starting to learn more about how this agent does what it does. By studying different related molecules and how they work, we're starting to tease out what's going on."
Even if gas exposure can eventually be used to induce suspended animation in humans, how does that explain fluke cases of humans entering hibernation by themselves?
"Since our lab's initial work, a lot of people have shown that there is hydrogen sulfide endogenously in our bodies," Pitt said. "There's growing evidence that it is this sort of internal regulatory molecule that's present in all of us. But we don't yet understand what it's doing or how it works."
Though they don't claim to know everything about it, the scientists do think the compound has been in us since life began, 3.5 billion years ago.
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