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Qur'an Verse 4:34 - 'Beat the Wife'? quranverse434

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    Habesha
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    AW,
    In Ethiopic/Amharic language the root word 'daraba' also means 'to double the measure' (T.L.Kane, Amharic-English dictionary, Volume II, page 1746, Wiesbaden). As to me, the Ethiopic meaning gives more sense than unwarranted biting of your wife.

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      @Wakas,

      I read your 434 explanation on your website and the way you presented evidences from the Quran was amazing. Sorry for my little understanding of English. What do you mean by "CITE THEM". Do you mean refer them to the court? or tell someone about their misbehavior?. Your argument is that (which i understood from your article) how would authority know that there is a rift in relation between husband and wife. The only way is if someone tell them. Husband or wife or any other close family member would inform the court. Am i correct?

      Also, in your view "NUSHOOZ" mean cheating with husband?.

      I know it is a very stupid question but to understand fully i need to ask you those type of questions.

      Peace.

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        Makaveli
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        She certainly deserved this according to Sam 'Pro-Russian Eurasian Nutjob' Gerrans

        https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g9RI0GgRIQ&feature=youtu.be&t=2m5s bravo

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          Wakas
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          @Wakas,

          I read your 434 explanation on your website and the way you presented evidences from the Quran was amazing. Sorry for my little understanding of English. What do you mean by "CITE THEM". Do you mean refer them to the court? or tell someone about their misbehavior?. Your argument is that (which i understood from your article) how would authority know that there is a rift in relation between husband and wife. The only way is if someone tell them. Husband or wife or any other close family member would inform the court. Am i correct?

          Also, in your view "NUSHOOZ" mean cheating with husband?.

          I know it is a very stupid question but to understand fully i need to ask you those type of questions.

          Peace.

          This was replied to here
          https//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599954.msg411542#msg411542

          All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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            No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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            @Wakas,

            I read your 434 explanation on your website and the way you presented evidences from the Quran was amazing. Sorry for my little understanding of English. What do you mean by "CITE THEM". Do you mean refer them to the court? or tell someone about their misbehavior?. Your argument is that (which i understood from your article) how would authority know that there is a rift in relation between husband and wife. The only way is if someone tell them. Husband or wife or any other close family member would inform the court. Am i correct?

            Also, in your view "NUSHOOZ" mean cheating with husband?.

            I know it is a very stupid question but to understand fully i need to ask you those type of questions.

            Peace.

            Nushooz cannot mean cheating. Zina means "cuckolding" and is when a wife cheats with another man. Nushuz LITERALLY means uprising. Essentially it is recalcitrance, mistreatment, going against the husband, etc.

            I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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              aqua
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              I have just added two further translations which support this view of 'shun/turn away them' to the list of translations on the website

              Mohammad Shafi - 'Turn away from them'

              Safi Kaskas - 'Depart away from them'

              http//www.quranverse434.com/quranverse434.com?#support-in-published-english-translations

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                Noon_waalqalami
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                peace, it cannot mean any physical action for it's incomplete.

                Arabic-English Lexicon by Edward William Lane
                signifies, (S, Msb,) or signifies also, (TA,) and (Msb, TA) so does , (Msb, K, TA,) (assumed tropical He turned away from, avoided, shunned, or left, him, or it; (S * Msb, K * TA; *) namely, a person, (TA,) or a thing.

                one of oldest manuscripts carbon dated 606-652 CE (95.4%)
                Gotthelf Bergstr??er Archive Cairo, National Library qf 47
                https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/34/handschrift/73

                https//i.postimg.cc/cJ0fTQ6g/ch4v29-36.jpg

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                  Mazhar
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                  And as for those wives are concerned about whom you (respective husbands) remain afraid of their discordant conduct, the following course of action is hereby prescribed

                  Thereat, politely and lovingly advise them ?

                  And you husbands move them to separate bed within the bedrooms ?

                  And you the husbands strike transit them (such wives) out of the bedrooms open in house rendering the suspended matrimonial relation apparent to entire family.

                  In response to any of aforesaid options given to you if they accepted your word; thereby, you should not pursue to find excuses against them.

                  This Baab has the particularity that its verbs can both be Stative and Dynamic. Here it is stative and is an instance.

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                    aqua
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                    Arabic-English Lexicon by Edward William Lane
                    عنه ↓ اضرب https//corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/4/vers/34/handschrift/73

                    https//i.postimg.cc/cJ0fTQ6g/ch4v29-36.jpg

                    Good to see your view on this subject has changed since the beginning of this thread. Being able to change one's opinion is a sign of sincerity.

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                      The_Sardar
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                      What happened to the website, it's no longer that same domain.

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                        Wakas
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                        Domain registration probably lapsed so someone else took it.

                        There is always www.Quran434.com (which has been tested by posting it on here and on Islamophobia websites offering money for disproving it but no-one so far able to).

                        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                          aqua
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                          It is no longer available at that domain, however it can still be found here

                          https//web.archive.org/web/20210612120815if_/https//quranverse434.com

                          The domain may change in the future. If so, I will update in this thread.

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