doubt about the verse 33:56 in Quran ?
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Peace Sabeel Ameer.
From what I understand the instructions were during the Prophet's Life
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God and His angels help and support the prophet. O you who believe, you shall help and support him, and regard him as he should be regarded.*3356 The word ``prophet'' (Nabi) consistently refers to Muhammad only when he was alive. Satan used this verse to entice the Muslims into commemorating Muhammad, constantly, instead of commemorating God as enjoined in 3341-42.
Now he is no longer alive, there are no salutations or nonsense. The prophet has earned whatever he worked for, nothing we do or say is going to make a difference.
GOD bless you.Peace
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Peace Sabeel Ameer.
From what I understand the instructions were during the Prophet's Life
3356
God and His angels help and support the prophet. O you who believe, you shall help and support him, and regard him as he should be regarded.*3356 The word ``prophet'' (Nabi) consistently refers to Muhammad only when he was alive. Satan used this verse to entice the Muslims into commemorating Muhammad, constantly, instead of commemorating God as enjoined in 3341-42.
Now he is no longer alive, there are no salutations or nonsense. The prophet has earned whatever he worked for, nothing we do or say is going to make a difference.
GOD bless you.Peace
Satan cannot listen Qur'aan; how can he entice you with a verse of Qur'aan?
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Peace Mazhar.
Qoran is for everyone. Some misuse it, some mock it using its verses ... But GOD is in control.
Satan and his tribe-which include humans-come in all sorts of disguises. What they have in common is " idol worship".
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
Qoran is for everyone. Some misuse it, some mock it using its verses ... But GOD is in control.
Satan and his tribe-which include humans-come in all sorts of disguises. What they have in common is " idol worship".
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace,
Pl quote evidence/authority if you believe Satan worships idols.
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Peace Mazhar.
Satan s god was his "ego".
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When we said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam," they fell prostrate, except Satan; he refused, was too arrogant, and a disbeliever.A disbeliever has another god. i.e idolising other than the true GOD.
GOD bless you.
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Peace Mazhar.
Satan s god was his "ego".
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When we said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam," they fell prostrate, except Satan; he refused, was too arrogant, and a disbeliever.A disbeliever has another god. i.e idolising other than the true GOD.
GOD bless you.
Peace.Are you equating this conduct with "idol worship"?
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Peace Mazhar.
Who is your god?
Satan s god is his "ego".
If you do not submit, i.e accept only the true GOD, you are committing " idol worship".
Either GOD or "others". if it is "others", you are accepting "other than GOD".i.e you are committing "idol worship" even if it is in partnership with GOD, it is still "idol worship".
It has to be GOD Alone! Then" hear and obey".GOD bless.
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Peace Mazhar.
Who is your god?
Satan s god is his "ego".
If you do not submit, i.e accept only the true GOD, you are committing " idol worship".
Either GOD or "others". if it is "others", you are accepting "other than GOD".i.e you are committing "idol worship" even if it is in partnership with GOD, it is still "idol worship".
It has to be GOD Alone! Then" hear and obey".GOD bless.
Peace.These are half baked stories by those who do not understand the basic meanings of words what to say of knowing the concepts.
Satan does not take his ego as his Lord. He is afraid of Allah the Exalted. Listen what he is telling you
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You are directed to reverently commend and attend to him. And you are required to submit to him salutations showing obeisance in a humble and respectful manner.
wa sallimoo thasleema (3356) - is this why, the requirement of salutations ?
wa yusallimoo thasleema (465 ) - here is only submission and comply. No mentioning of any salutations even in traditional translations. Then how the 'salutation' magically appears in 3356 ?
Also thasleema again come as acceptence/submit in 3322. If there should be the meaning of 'say salam', in 3356, then there should have been 'sallimoo salaama' or sallimoo alayhi, not thasleema.Suppose a Police chief commands to a constable, "Help this man", and the constable replies - "You help him". How would that be ?
Now take the traditional meaning for sallimoo as 'salutations'. Allah commands "Say salam". People replies- " You say salam" (Allahumma sallim)
Now take the original meaning for sallimoo as 'comply/submit'. Allah commands " Submit to Prophet". People replies - " You submit to Prophet " ! (Allahuma sallim)Same way,when Allah commands to do salat (help&support) on the prophet, People replies - "You help and support prophet" (Allahumma salli )
Allah(swt) commanded to help prophet and sahabas did it.
3356 - Allah and his angels are doing salat(help&support) on prophet. O you believe, you do salat on prophet and comply completly. (original meaning)
(Here the meaning cannot be- Allah and his angels are saying salat, because there is no God above Allah for Allah to say salat.)
And also the meaning cannot be- "Allah and his angels are doing salat, O believers, you say salat" because the meaning of the first is applicable to the second in the same sentence.When Allah commands to do salat on prophet and comply to prophet, People sing 'maula ya salli wa sallim daeman abada" ( O Allah, you say salat and salam on prophet continuously forever)
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Why "tasleema" is in accusative case? What is its role/function in the sentence? Had he known it he might not have said what he said above.
In 465, wa yusallimoo thaslima means only submit in submission/comply. The same is used in 3356. How is the meaning becomes into 'salutation' there ?
He said it should have been 'sallimoo alayhi' because in other verses of Quran, when commands to say salam, adds such 'dyothakams' (idk the english word for it), i think dyothakam means the words such as alaykum etc.
Another evidence-
When commanded to 'do salat', Quran models Allah. (ie Allah and angels are doing salat, o believers do salat) but excludes 'sallimoo tasleema' from it. The verse separates 'wa sallimoo tasleema', an extra job after 'do salat'.
If sallimoo tasleema meant 'salam', Quran would never exclude it. Because Quran already says Allah said salam(the greeting without prayer) to other prophets including nabi. So Quran should have say 'Allah do salat and say salam, o believers, you do salat and say salam'. But Quran didnt say it. Quran said 'Allah doing salat, o believers you do salat' and commands an extra job, sallimoo tasleema, comply to prophet , A job that Allah cannot do.
Anyway my main question is how the 'salutation' meaning comes in 3356, when its not in 465 as they uses the same 'sallimoo tasleema' ? And apart from sallimoo alayhi/sallimoo salama, do you have any other objections with the post reply 10 ?
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Peace Mazhar.
Thank you for your reply.
Let me start bySay, "My Lord, I seek refuge in You from the whispers of the devils.
"And I seek refuge in You, my Lord, lest they come near me."The Most Merciful educates us about our enemies.
Satan is afraid of GOD indeed when it comes to the day of judgement. That bit I agree with.
But at the moment he has a job to do.Spreading " idol worship" into the majority.Watch out brother Mazhar?
Satan is the human's ardent enemy
O you who believe, you shall embrace total submission; do not follow the steps of Satan, for he is your most ardent enemy.
Some livestock supply you with transportation, as well as bedding materials. Eat from God's provisions to you, and do not follow the steps of Satan; he is your most ardent enemy.
Satan's existence on earth is only a temporary respite
He said, "My Lord, respite me until the day they are resurrected." He said, "You are granted a respite."
Why brother Mazhar?
May be so he can get us to do salutations on prophets, to serve /worship others and commit "idol worship".
May the Lord guide us and save us.
Peace.
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Whats all with this shaythaan ? Lets concentrate on the main subject of this thread !
By the way, according to the Quran, Shaytans cannot hear Quran, but according to Bukhari hadith, shaytan knew about Ayathul kurusy. Actually shaytan taught the aspects of Ayatul kurusi to Abu Huraira.
Bukhari Volume-6 Book-61 Number-530. Narrated by Abu Mas'ud.
The Prophet said, "If somebody recited the last two Verses of Surat Al-Baqara at night, that will be sufficient for him." Narrated Abu Huraira Allah 's Apostle ordered me to guard the Zakat revenue of Ramadan. Then somebody came to me and started stealing of the foodstuff. I caught him and said, "I will take you to Allah's Apostle!" Then Abu Huraira described the whole narration and said) That person said (to me), "(Please don't take me to Allah's Apostle and I will tell you a few words by which Allah will benefit you.) When you go to your bed, recite Ayat-al-Kursi, (2.255) for then there will be a guard from Allah who will protect you all night long, and Satan will not be able to come near you till dawn." (When the Prophet heard the story) he said (to me), "He (who came to you at night) told you the truth although he is a liar; and it was Satan."Prophet thought 2 verses of al baqara was sufficient. But once again, it was because of his ignorance. Fortunately Shaytan teaches about Ayatul kurusi also. Thus we can see that even Shaytan teaches Islam to People of hadiths. We can learn that Shaytan was also an usthaad of Abu Huraira.
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Peace Sameer Ameer.
It kind of related to your topic. So my apologies to you.
Anyway, I hope you did not mind me answering brother Mazhar.
I will finish by saying, to some people satan does not exist and has no power even though
Satan will claim the majority
He said, "Since You have honored him over me, if You respite me till the Day of Resurrection, I will possess all his descendants, except a few."
Satan has no power over GOD s servants
"As for My servants, you have no power over them." Your Lord suffices as an advocate.
"Except those among Your worshipers who are devoted absolutely to You alone." He said, "This is a law that is inviolable. "You have no power over My servants. You only have power over the strayers who follow you.
He has no power over those who believe and trust in their Lord. His power is limited to those who choose him as their master, those who choose him as their god.
He said, "I swear by Your majesty, that I will send them all astray. "Except Your worshipers who are devoted absolutely to You alone."
May the Lord save us from " idol worship".
Peace.
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Peace on you too Good Logic,
Please take it as a joke man, i know it was related to the topic. Please keep posting. Thank you for posting and especially for the post reply#2.
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Peace,
Salutations, commemoration, revering a person, acknowledging the service rendered to humanity is never idol worshipping. But when such words are employed for the elevated Messengers of Allah the Exalted, it seems to certain people idol worshipping. Strange psyche!
What Satan advocates is written in Qur'aan. See therein whether he tells you to indulge in idol worshipping?
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Peace,
in 3356,
Even if we take the traditional false meaning for sallimoo as 'salutations'. Allah commands "Say salam". People replies- " You say salam" (Allahumma sallim)If we take the original meaning for sallimoo as 'comply/submit'. Allah commands " Submit to Prophet". People replies - " You submit to Prophet " ! (Allahuma sallim)
What a kufr and insolence is that...
When Allah commands us to "give zakath" or "do fasting", If our reply is "you give zakath" or "you do fasting", what an insolence would that be ?
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In 465, wa yusallimoo thaslima means only submit in submission/comply. The same is used in 3356. How is the meaning becomes into 'salutation' there ?
He said it should have been 'sallimoo alayhi' because in other verses of Quran, when commands to say salam, adds such 'dyothakams' (idk the english word for it), i think dyothakam means the words such as alaykum etc.
Another evidence-
When commanded to 'do salat', Quran models Allah. (ie Allah and angels are doing salat, o believers do salat) but excludes 'sallimoo tasleema' from it. The verse separates 'wa sallimoo tasleema', an extra job after 'do salat'.
If sallimoo tasleema meant 'salam', Quran would never exclude it. Because Quran already says Allah said salam(the greeting without prayer) to other prophets including nabi. So Quran should have say 'Allah do salat and say salam, o believers, you do salat and say salam'. But Quran didnt say it. Quran said 'Allah doing salat, o believers you do salat' and commands an extra job, sallimoo tasleema, comply to prophet , A job that Allah cannot do.
Anyway my main question is how the 'salutation' meaning comes in 3356, when its not in 465 as they uses the same 'sallimoo tasleema' ? And apart from sallimoo alayhi/sallimoo salama, do you have any other objections with the post reply 10 ?
Therefore; Your Sustainer Lord swears, they will not believe in the manner acceptable to Allah the Exalted until and unless they might consider and make you the Messenger judge-authority to decide in matters that have become hardened belief like entrenched tree amongst them the people of Book.
Afterwards; they did not find hesitative embarrassment in their thoughts about what you the Messenger had ruled-decided in accordance with the Grand Qur'aan . And they had paid you obeisance and salutations; respectfully dignifying.This was also an article of their Covenant.
Know the fact Allah the Exalted and His Angels render commendations upon the Distinctly Elevated and Chosen Allegiant .
O those/you, who consciously proclaim to have accepted/become believers, listen!
You are directed to reverently commend and attend to him. And you are required to submit to him salutations showing obeisance in a humble and respectful manner.The verbal noun "Tasleeman" is Form-II. It is Cognate adverb in the sentence.
A cognate adverb is a gerund with a meaning very similar to a mentioned action.
This adverb is used for one of three purposes
to explain the manner in which the action takes place.
to provide the multitude in which the action takes place.
to place emphasis on the action.The verb and the verbal noun are transitive, needing an object. The object is already mentioned by the second person pronoun referring to the Elevated Messenger.
commendations Praise of somebody's abilities; recognition of accomplishment. -
Peace Mazhar.
Let me be direct.
Idol worship cannot be disguised by Nouns, verbs, grammar... Elevating God s creation no matter who or what is idol worship.
Can you please explain what " Salla-llaho alaihi wa sallam" means?
What would you gain/lose by saying or not saying it?
What would the messenger gain/lose by you saying it?
It just does not make sense?
Now that the messenger is dead ?All of us who claim to believe in God should examine whether our beliefs conform to God's commandments and laws or Satan's corrupted religious decrees.
Belief in God dictates that we believe God, readily obey His commandments and believe, accept and trust what is written in God's Scripture.
The majority of humans, however, while professing to believe in God, have given themselves over to Satan.
The majority of those who believe in God do not do so without committing idol worship.
Please be careful brother some people do a lot of things that they think will benefit them, look what God says here
The allegory of those who disbelieve in their Lord their works are like ashes in a violent wind, on a stormy day. They gain nothing from whatever they earn; such is the farthest straying.
GOD bless you.
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Peace
Only that logic is good which follows the norms and principles of reading a book and understanding the meanings of the text. Without knowing the grammar of language one can draw whatever he likes to understand. That would certainly be satanic style because he presumes at his own about his superiority without so declared by Allah.
Do you know why the verb is in Subjunctive Mood?