can you be friends with non muslims?
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Now we have read in the Quran countless of time that God said that we're not allowed to take them as friends but at the same time Her told us it's ok as long as they are kind and respectfull towards us. Now I was wondering if it haram since there are alot of verses that God said it is yet little verse that permit. So what do you guys think. Please provide a quote. Thanks
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I believe that is the corrupted and sectarian understanding of a Muslim, and contradictorily. . .
They are not all alike.
Some of the People of the Book are firmly committed to the truth.
They recite the Verses of Allah during the hours of night,
and remain in the state of prostration before their Lord.
They believe in Allah and the Last Day and enjoin righteousness,
and forbid evil,
and they race to pious works.
And it is they who are amongst the pious.
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I want to share a different kind of advice..
Surround yourselves with good, caring and kind-hearted people, regardless of their sect, ethnicity, group etc..
Don't befriend those who labeled themselves as Muslim ( or any other name ) and ask you not to befriend those who are not within their group. -
Peace Jafar.
It is good advice. Where would you find such good, caring and kind hearted people?
May be we should each work on ourselves to become good, caring and kind hearted, then" your enemies will become your friends"?
Detox the mind from " belonging to any race/ sect/tribe..", love everyone.
Jesus was a true "Muslim", I think?
GOD bless you.
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Absolutely.
Like Jafar said, if they're good and kind hearted people (God said you will know people by their speech and actions)- then of course you can be friends with them.
If they're bad and evil or narrow minded- then no. Who would want such friends?
I'm friends with a Christian who is kind and open minded. In fact both of us believe in just one God and don't put partners with him.
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Now we have read in the Quran countless of time that God said that we're not allowed to take them as friends but at the same time Her told us it's ok as long as they are kind and respectfull towards us. Now I was wondering if it haram since there are alot of verses that God said it is yet little verse that permit. So what do you guys think. Please provide a quote. Thanks
Peace kenybanez,
The directive is simple, do not befriend those who are hostile to the deen! Of course like the other members have
already elucidated, use your brain to make good choices, not only for friendships, but in all aspects of your life.You asked for references
5/57 O you who believe! do not take for friends those who take your religion for a mockery and a joke, from
among those who were given the Book before you and the unbelievers; and be careful of (your duty to) Allah if you are believers.God bless
peace
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Now we have read in the Quran countless of time that God said that we're not allowed to take them as friends but at the same time Her told us it's ok as long as they are kind and respectfull towards us. Now I was wondering if it haram since there are alot of verses that God said it is yet little verse that permit. So what do you guys think. Please provide a quote. Thanks
If the Quran really supporting this, surely I will trash my Quran withouth any doubts.
Fortunately that cases is just about misstranslation or missintepretation.I have many non-muslims friends, learnt everything from them, but as long as this not disturb my faith.
Humans created with diversities, but to create "peace" what we must uphold is "tolerance".
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Peace,
Take your ways or system for mockery and not your sectarian ways (religion). One example is that they may joke about you when you look like you talk to yourself when you talk to God. Or they think you are weird when you say God willing.
God bless you
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Peace Jafar.
It is good advice. Where would you find such good, caring and kind hearted people?
They should be available anywhere around you.. if they're not available anywhere around you it's time to move / migrate.
Another characteristic that I may add is that they're humble, not boastful or arrogant, as pride and arrogant are among the key characteristic of evil.May be we should each work on ourselves to become good, caring and kind hearted, then" your enemies will become your friends"?
Certainly, act like one, show an example thus it will influence people around you.
By being humble is a good start, It is however easier said than done...Detox the mind from " belonging to any race/ sect/tribe..", love everyone.
Correct,
And also detox the mind from "I am / We are above others", show the same attitude towards other species / living being as well.Human is one among two species on earth to have the capability for empathy towards 'other species'.
And I think that's the reason why human become "sentient".The other one with the same capability is Bonobo.
So better watch out human, if you f&*d up, bonobo will take your placeJesus was a true "Muslim", I think?
If the Book of Gospels are correct, then definitely.
Being told that "In very near future thou shall die and suffer terrible pain" he responded with "Let Thy will be done" and "So it's written, so it shall be done".
Although he did show some moment of despair and hopelessness during the process, but hey who said being a true muslim is easy?? -
Kenybanez
salamYou have to seek from Allah in ardent prayer to make you a muslim. If you had not done such kind of prayer in your life till date, you are not a muslim till date. Then it is Allah who makes one a muslim. Till then be a believer i.e. a Mumin, in what you have prayed for O God, Make us Muslims i.e as ones who have peace at heart in the Remembrance of the One and the Only Supreme Creative Power.
A Muslim is one who has 'Salam or Peace' in the words, verses and signs of The Book from Allah. Unless Allah Himself guides you through the Book there is no way we shall even understand the guidance therein. In this way a 'Kafir' in your view could be quite the opposite in the eyes of Allah and vice versa. Again it is not for us to decide who a kafir is and who a muslim is. This judgement is with Allah alone. In this way a Hindu or a Christian could be a muslim in the judgement of Allah; and one who claims to be a muslim could be a Kafir. Let us fear Allah and refrain from entering the domain of His Justiceship.
Seek from Allah O The Listener, join us in the company of Malayika and the doers of good.
And put your trust in Him and set aside your mind if it involves in deciding 'who is close and who is distant from Allah.'
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peace MuslimsThey are not all alike.
Some of the People of the Book are firmly committed to the truth. They recite the Verses of Allah during the hours of night,
and remain in the state of prostration before their Lord. They believe in Allah and the Last Day and enjoin righteousness,
and forbid evil, and they race to pious works.And it is they who are amongst the pious.
(3.113-114)If you find this kind of people among the cristians and jews, as soon as you recite to them the quran they will recognize the truth, and When they hear what was revealed to the messenger, you see their eyes flooding with tears as they recognize the truth therein, and they say, "Our Lord, we have believed, so count us among the witnesses. (17107-10(Verily, those who were given knowledge before it, when it is recited to them, fall down on their faces in humble prostration. And they say "Glory be to our Lord! Truly, the promise of our Lord must be fulfilled.''
2853 And when it is recited to them, they say "We believe in it. Verily, it is the truth from our Lord. Indeed we have been from before it submitted-ones (Muslims)as you see, you can never have a true believer jew or cristian friend, for as soon as they hear the Qur'an they will become submited-ones (muslims), and they will recognize submission (slam) as the true name for the religion of God. Because Judaism and Cristianism are but invented meaningless names, for God never in the previous books gives name to His Law/Religion/way. only in Qur'an does God gives name to his religion/law/way and to those who submit to it.
being a jew means that you descent from the tribe of juda (one of the 12 tribes of Israel) but they have made a religion out of it, which they call Judaism (and they even dare to say that Moses was the founder of Judaism) how lost they are.
Cristian means nothing because Jesus never said that he came to abrogate the law of the torah, rather he said that it should be obeyed to the letter.Peace not so good-logic
Detox the mind from " belonging to any race/ sect/tribe..", love everyone.
Jesus was a true "Muslim", I think?
Matthew 1524-26 But He answered and said, ?I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.?25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.26 But he answered and said, It is not good to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
Qur?n328 LET NOT the believers take those who deny the truth for their allies in preference to the
believers19 - since he who does this cuts himself off from God in everything - unless it be to
protect yourselves against them in this way.20 But God warns you to beware of Him for with
God is all journeys' end.
329 Say "Whether you conceal what is in your hearts21 or bring it into the open, God knows it for
He knows all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth; and God has the power to will
anything."
5822You will not find a people who believe in Allah and the Last Day having affection for those who oppose Allah and His Messenger, even if they were their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kindred. Those - He has decreed within their hearts faith and supported them with spirit from Him. And We will admit them to gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they abide eternally. Allah is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him - those are the party of Allah . Unquestionably, the party of Allah - they are the successful.may God increase our knowledge and give us some wisdom.
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peace MuslimsIf you find this kind of people among the cristians and jews, as soon as you recite to them the quran they will recognize the truth, and When they hear what was revealed to the messenger, you see their eyes flooding with tears as they recognize the truth therein, and they say, "Our Lord, we have believed, so count us among the witnesses. (17107-10(Verily, those who were given knowledge before it, when it is recited to them, fall down on their faces in humble prostration. And they say "Glory be to our Lord! Truly, the promise of our Lord must be fulfilled.''
2853 And when it is recited to them, they say "We believe in it. Verily, it is the truth from our Lord. Indeed we have been from before it submitted-ones (Muslims)as you see, you can never have a true believer jew or cristian friend, for as soon as they hear the Qur'an they will become submited-ones (muslims), and they will recognize submission (slam) as the true name for the religion of God. Because Judaism and Cristianism are but invented meaningless names, for God never in the previous books gives name to His Law/Religion/way. only in Qur'an does God gives name to his religion/law/way and to those who submit to it.
being a jew means that you descent from the tribe of juda (one of the 12 tribes of Israel) but they have made a religion out of it, which they call Judaism (and they even dare to say that Moses was the founder of Judaism) how lost they are.
Cristian means nothing because Jesus never said that he came to abrogate the law of the torah, rather he said that it should be obeyed to the letter.Yes, I agree . . . they cannot become True Believers and people invented religions (367-68), ie. the fallacy of hasty generalization.
and. . . those who are the Disbelievers in the Quran are the "True Shia" (sectarian). . .
And indeed, among his kind was Abraham,
context -> 379-87
I believe the actual facts is people are able to enter into heaven even if they don't believe in Allah, ie. the Mutasyaabihat . . .
One can be a Muslim without even becoming a BelieverIt is so since the "minimum requirement" of entering into heaven is "submission" (living justly balanced)
not "belief" (bonus but does not guarantee into heaven). .
reason, refer here and here.And We have sent down to you the Book with the truth
authenticating what is between your hands of the Book and superseding it
So judge between them by what God has sent down
and do not follow their desires from what has come to you of the truthFor each of you We have made laws, and a structure
and if God had willed
He would have made you all one nation
but He tests you with what He has given you <- Hablum Minallah
so strive to do good <- Hablum minannas, this is our job
To God you will return all of you
and He will inform you regarding that in which you dispute. <- Hablum Minallah. He will inform, not us!
548http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.440
These are only my views.
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My personal understanding is that mu'min and muslim should try to be fair toward anyone, and I don't think it's wrong to be friendly toward the rejecter and idolater who also support peace.
However, I think "the true friendship" cannot be built between people who support God and people who against God.
I regard true friendship as the friendship that can last forever.
So, even if they have a very good relationship, I think it will only last on earth when they still alive.
Peace.
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Salaam.
People have been quoting verses like and to justify that Muslims are not allowed to have non-Muslim friends, and that we should cut off all relations with them.
In what kind of situation would you refer to someone as an "ally"? If you read surah 60, you will see that the context is war/hostility/persecution.
In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.
O you who believe, do not take My enemy and your enemy as allies. You extend love to them, even though they have rejected the truth that has come to you. They drive you and the messenger out, simply because you believe in God, your Lord. If you are mobilizing to strive in My cause, seeking My blessings, then how can you secretly love them? I am fully aware of everything you conceal and what you declare. And whoever of you does this, then he has gone astray from the right path.
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Perhaps God will grant compassion between you and those you consider enemies; and God is Capable. And God is Forgiving, Merciful.
God does not prohibit you from those who have not fought you because of your system, nor drove you out of your homes, that you deal kindly and equitably with them. For God loves the equitable.
But God does prohibit you regarding those who fought you because of your system, and drove you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out. You shall not ally with them. Those who ally with them, then such are the transgressors.
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the laws of god never change
God does not prohibit you from those who have not fought you because of your system, nor drove you out of your homes, that you deal kindly and equitably with them. For God loves the equitable.
In the Torah God teaches to deal with this kind of people in in almost the same way, but strongly warns about getting to close to them so that you do not learns their ways.But God does prohibit you regarding those who fought you because of your system, and drove you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out. You shall not ally with them. Those who ally with them, then such are the transgressors.
In the Torah God teaches that you do not stop until you wipe this people off the face of the earth, and they become only tales.2849
Say "Produce, then, revelation from God which would offer better guidance thaneither of these two49 - two groups concerning the hypocrites, while Allah has made them fall back for what they earned. Do you wish to guide those whom Allah has sent astray? And he whom Allah sends astray - never will you find for him a way .may God increase our knowledge and give us some wisdom.
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Please do not bring 608 and 609 out of context to twist the words that it fits your mind. It talks about oppression and to readily accept them with open arms after what they have done. Would you call all men oppressors?
Evil are their deeds and that is the bad thing. They may lack Faith those who are not believers but everyone is a potential Believer should God want that and if there is good in their hearts. Those slammed by the decree are those who spread mischief and implement unrighteous rules that are unjust and evil, and in the case above evict those who believe for example.
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Please do not bring 608 and 609 out of context to twist the words that it fits your mind. It talks about oppression and to readily accept them with open arms after what they have done. Would you call all men oppressors?
Evil are their deeds and that is the bad thing. They may lack Faith those who are not believers but everyone is a potential Believer should God want that and if there is good in their hearts. Those slammed by the decree are those who spread mischief and implement unrighteous rules that are unjust and evil, and in the case above evict those who believe for example.
Summary
It's all about deed, deed and deed. It's the DEED/ACTION or in Sanskrit word KARMA that matters. Solomon, David, Jesus, Krishna, Siddharta is in agreement on this one. Anyone can use whatever name they want to call themselves. It doesn't matter when one call him/herself as Honest, what does matter is that he/she should perform honest deed. Thus do not befriend those who are "non-honest" (a.k.a Liars) although they claimed themselves as a member of a religion / sect / group / social identity named "Honest". The same thing with muslim and islam.
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Peace Jafar,
I ought to give you credit for that. It comes down to deeds mainly, but faith in the Almighty force does also seem to be a prerequisite. I have not been able to interpret the decree in any other way. But there is no particular religion but it is the same Almighty force no matter what you happen to "sectarianize" yourself into due to ignorance.
In the context I would say do not befriend criminals; those who spread mischief, much you said already.
And we know what God truly decreed to be upheld as a system of God. I will not repeat it here because I repeat it here and there on the forum.
Be good is an easy summary of what is decreed for you.
It's the DEED/ACTION or in Sanskrit word KARMA that matters.
"Amen to that".
God bless you
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Please do not bring 608 and 609 out of context to twist the words that it fits your mind. It talks about oppression and to readily accept them with open arms after what they have done. Would you call all men oppressors?
Is the polytheist lovers who are getting 608 and 609 out of context
The only way a believer can get close to them is as a Warner, and to preach to them obedience, repentance, and submission to God either through the torah or the Qur'an. Jesus use to sit and talked to money lender and prostitutes, but only to talk to them about repentance and the coming of the kingdom of heaven, and if they rejected he got away from the wicked ones, and he ordered to do the same to his apostles. however, If you hang out with prostitutes, just for fun, is because you like to prostitute yourself with them and their Gods.
Evil are their deeds and that is the bad thing. They may lack Faith those who are not believers but everyone is a potential Believer should God want that and if there is good in their hearts.
I you go to them to warn and preach submission/islam until they put their hands on their ears and tell you that if you do not stop they will stone you to death, then you are Good. But, if you go to them to prostitute yourself with their gods and their ways, then how twisted is your mind.
It's all about deed, deed and deed. It's the DEED/ACTION or in Sanskrit word KARMA that matters. Solomon, David, Jesus, Krishna, Siddharta
I see the conflict between your ideas and mine. I am preaching Submission/obedience to the Creator of All (slm) and you are preaching the teaching of your imaginary Gods of Hinduism and Buddhism. Is it your Goal to turn Muslims into Hindus or Buddhist?. and please do not try to preach them to me, for maybe I know more about Hinduism and Buddhism than yourself.
It's all about deed, deed and deed. It's the DEED/ACTION or in Sanskrit word KARMA that matters. Solomon, David, Jesus, Krishna, Siddhartha is in agreement on this one
at least get your knowledge right, Siddhartha main teaching is not good deeds, but the elimination of suffering through the elimination of desires.
Matthew 1514Leave them; they are blind guides. If the blind lead the blind, both will fall into a pit."
Qur'an2525-29 2525And on the Day on which the skies, together with the clouds, shall burst asunder, and the angels are made to descend in a mighty descent - (2526) on that Day true sovereignty belongs to the Most Gracious hence, a Day of distress will it be for all who deny the truth, (2527) and a Day on which the evildoer will bite his hands (in despair], exclaiming "Oh, would that I had followed the path shown to me by the apostle!21 (252 Oh, woe is me! Would that I had not taken so-and-so for a friend! (2529) Indeed, he led me astray from the remembrance (of God] after it had come unto me!" For (thus it is] Satan is ever a betrayer of man.22may God increase my muslim brothers in knowledge, and give us some wisdom, and may he destroy the corrupters.