Do the hadiths really explain the Qur'an or not?

[IjazAhmad]

Salaamun Alaikum group

I was debating with a hadith follower and he asked me to explain verse 661.

I told him that something was lawful which the Messenger turned it into unlawful! - That's it!

He said.. No! What is the reason this verse was revealed!

I told him.. Is it important? This verse is trying to tell us that not to make the same mistake which the Messenger did. That's it! And then he gave me the hadith explaining this verse

Al-Bukhari recorded that Ubayd bin Umayr said that he heard A'ishah claiming that Allah's Messenger used to stay for a period in the house of Zaynab bint Jahsh and drink honey in her house. (She said) "Hafsah and I decided that when the Prophet entered upon either of us, we would say, I smell Maghafir on you. Have you eaten Maghafir' When he entered upon one of us, she said that to him. He replied (to her),

? ?

(No, but I drank honey in the house of Zaynab bint Jahsh, and I will never drink it again.)'' Then the following was revealed;

(O Prophet! Why do you fobid that which Allah has allowed to you)

Any thoughts? What do you think?

Wassalam!

[JavaLatte]

Question Do the hadiths really explain the Qur'an or not?

My answer NO.

This verse is trying to tell us that not to make the same mistake which the Messenger did.

Agreed. D

Peace.

[hafeez_kazi]

Peace

Whether it is Honey or Milk or Pizza it does not make any difference to the followers but what is more important is the message.

Ask the same person about this

Bukhari Book 6 Volume 60 Hadith 448
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah

That he heard Allah's Apostle describing the period of pause of the Divine Inspiration, and in his description he said, "While I was walking I heard a voice from the sky. I looked up towards the sky, and behold! I saw the same Angel who came to me in the Cave of Hira', sitting on a chair between the sky and the earth. I was so terrified by him that I fell down on the ground. Then I went to my wife and said, 'Wrap me in garments! Wrap me in garments!' They wrapped me, and then Allah revealed

"O you, (Muhammad) wrapped-up! Arise and warn...and desert the idols." (74.1-5) Abu Salama said....Rujz means idols." After that, the Divine Inspiration started coming more frequently and regularly.

Question him what was the Angel doing while siiting on the chair? Was he reading a Newspaper/Magazine or playing games on mobile.

Ask him why the messenger was not frightened when he saw the same Angel in the Hira cave?

The angel was sitting on the chair between the sky and the earth then who revealed the verse to the messenger?

The only time the messenger saw the Angel in its original form is mentioned in Surah Al Najm (5313)

All other times the angel descended as a human being

And We certainly know that they say, "It is only a human being who teaches the Prophet." The tongue of the one they refer to is foreign, and this Qur'an is a clear Arabic language. (An-Nahl 103)

Thanks

[muslims]

Some hadith and kitab are very useful to explain and make us understand the Quran, history, and consciousness etc. . .
How to apply the main principle from the Quran in our life . . the practical aspect and not merely theoretical in nature

So as other knowledges . . all are useful and needed to bring us closer to Allah . . .

It is You we worship and You we ask for help.
Guide us to the straight path
The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor <- the definition of "straight path"
not of those who have evoked anger or of those who are astray
15-7

And whoever obeys Allah and the Messenger <- what does it mean? refer here
those will be with the ones upon whom Allah has bestowed favor <- who are they?
(1) of the prophets
(2) the steadfast affirmers of truth
(3) the martyrs
(4) and the righteous
And excellent are those as companions.
469

and . . . it is so obvious that we cannot live by the Quran alone, unless those who are pretending with their life . .

[muslims]

Indeed, Allah is not timid to present an example
that of a mosquito or what is smaller than it
And those who have believed know that it is the truth from their Lord
But as for those who disbelieve, they say,
"What did Allah intend by this as an example?"
He misleads many thereby and guides many thereby
And He misleads not except the defiantly disobedient
226

Maybe it is not at all about the hadith. . .

[hafeez_kazi]

Peace all

Another masterpiece from the TRUSTWORTHY HADITH

Lo! they fold their breasts that they may hide from Him. Lo! when they cover themselves with their garments, He knoweth that which they conceal and that which they make known. Verily He is the Knower of the secrets of the breasts. 115

Bukhari Book 6 Volume 60 Hadith 203
Narrated Muhammad bin 'Abbas bin Ja'far

That he heard Ibn 'Abbas reciting "No doubt! They fold up their breasts." (11.5) and asked him about its explanation. He said, "Some people used to hide themselves while answering the call of nature in an open space lest they be exposed to the sky, and also when they had sexual relation with their wives in an open space lest they be exposed to the sky, so the above revelation was sent down regarding them."

Bukhari Book 6 Volume 60 Hadith 204
Narrated Muhammad bin Abbas bin Ja'far

Ibn Abbas recited. "No doubt! They fold up their breasts." I said, "O Abu Abbas! What is meant by "They fold up their breasts?" He said, "A man used to feel shy on having sexual relation with his wife or on answering the call of nature (in an open space) so this Verse was revealed-- "No doubt! They fold up their breasts."

115 WAS REVEALED FOR THOSE PEOPLE WHO WERE ANSWERING THE CALL OF NATURE IN AN OPEN SPACE AND HAVING SEX IN AN OPEN PLACE.

VERSE 115 WAS REVEALED IN THE CONTEXT OF DISBELIEVERS WHO WERE HIDING THEIR INTENTIONS IN THEIR HEARTS WHICH ALLAH KNEW.

Hadith is a collection of GARBAGE OF NONSENSE, UNSCIENTIFIC, VULGAR, USELESS, VIOLENT NARRATIVES.

Thanks

[JavaLatte]

Hadith is a collection of GARBAGE OF NONSENSE, UNSCIENTIFIC, VULGAR, USELESS, VIOLENT NARRATIVES.

Indeed, brother. Rightly so for every hadith outside the Qur'an itself.

IMHO, using hadiths to understand the Qur'an is damaging the actual lesson of the Qur'an verse.

Ridiculous informations in hadiths are untrustworthy and also dangerous because those words of hadith seem purposely created to cover/deviate/damage the true meaning of Qur'an verses.

The Qur'an is very qualified teaching which cannot be accepted by the unrighteous.

I think that the people who made hadiths have evil purpose to reduce/eliminate/damage the quality of the Qur'an.

Peace.

[unknownuser]

Salaamun Alaikum group

I was debating with a hadith follower and he asked me to explain verse 661.

I told him that something was lawful which the Messenger turned it into unlawful! - That's it!

He said.. No! What is the reason this verse was revealed!

I told him.. Is it important? This verse is trying to tell us that not to make the same mistake which the Messenger did. That's it! And then he gave me the hadith explaining this verse

Al-Bukhari recorded that Ubayd bin Umayr said that he heard A'ishah claiming that Allah's Messenger used to stay for a period in the house of Zaynab bint Jahsh and drink honey in her house. (She said) "Hafsah and I decided that when the Prophet entered upon either of us, we would say, I smell Maghafir on you. Have you eaten Maghafir' When he entered upon one of us, she said that to him. He replied (to her),

? ?

(No, but I drank honey in the house of Zaynab bint Jahsh, and I will never drink it again.)'' Then the following was revealed;

(O Prophet! Why do you fobid that which Allah has allowed to you)

Any thoughts? What do you think?

Wassalam!

who recorded this? did the prophet record this event himself? is it just a parable? which wife bore witness that this happened?
consider the quran is the word of ALLAH and the hadith does not have such truthful backing. anyone can make up a hadith
ex those who make up hadith(subject) , will have the penalty of (some action and effect, usually something applied to the reader) _________ what is believable, (truth or a lie).