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    IjazAhmad
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    Salaamun Alaikum! group

    I was chatting with a hadith follower and he said that it is permissible to have sex with captives/slaves because they are "your" property/share from the booty hypno

    He quoted some verses from the Qur'an and hadiths

    ?And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan girls then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice? 43

    ?O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridalmoney given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses ? whom Allaah has given to you, and the daughters of your ?Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your ?Ammaat (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khaal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khaalaat (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (slaves) whom their right hands possess, in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allaah is Ever OftForgiving, Most Merciful? 3350

    Muwatta Malik, Book 29, Hadith 100
    Yahya related to me from Malik from Humayd ibn Qays al-Makki that a man called Dhafif said that Ibn Abbas was asked about coitus interruptus. He called a slave-girl of his and said, "Tell them." She was embarrassed. He said, "It is alright, and I do it myself." Malik said, "A man does not practise coitus interruptus with a free woman unless she gives her permission.

    Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 5, Book 59, Hadith 459
    Narrated Ibn Muhairiz
    I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Messenger (&#65018 for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interrupt us, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Messenger (&#65018 who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist."

    My comment So according to the above hadith, if i understood it correctely(?). The Messenger according to this hadith said That do not do 'Azl (It is better for you not to do so) but get her pregnant instead because if any soul is predestined to exist, it will exist. Did I get it right? hmm

    Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 3, Book 46, Hadith 718
    Narrated Ibn Muhairiz
    I saw Abu Said and asked him about coitus interruptus. Abu Said said, "We went with Allah's Apostle, in the Ghazwa of Bani Al-Mustaliq and we captured some of the 'Arabs as captives, and the long separation from our wives was pressing us hard and we wanted to practice coitus interruptus. We asked Allah's Messenger (&#65018 (whether it was permissible). He said, "It is better for you not to do so. No soul, (that which Allah has) destined to exist, up to the Day of Resurrection, but will definitely come, into existence."

    So according to these hadith followers.. sex with captives is permissible from the Qur'an and hadiths. Man... I'm worried!
    Can you believe it! Wifes at home and the Messengers 'Sahaba' and even the Messenger nailing some captives/slaves? It does not feel right!

    Some hadith followers believe that the Messenger did get Maria Qutiby from a booty/share(?) I guess..

    What do you guys think and do Islam really allow this. This is disturbing me somehow &

    What do you think about this.. There are more hadiths but are more worse than these I quoted!

    Wassalam
    May Allah guide us all! pr

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      diamantinehoneybunch
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      Take your time to search what other people's understandings of the Arabic word "ma malakat ayman".

      Unfortunately (I apologize because) I do not expertise in this subject so I cannot provide a good answer and I leave it to others to answer.

      Actually we have discussed for so many times on this subject but I think many of us are still confused on this.

      The hadithers are crazy people. In their electric-shocked brains are "sex, sex, sex".

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        I f the first post is upheld then women also have mamalakat aymanuhum, so I suppose they are quite legitimated to have sex with them.

        Salaam

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          IjazAhmad
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          Take your time to search what other people's understandings of the Arabic word "ma malakat ayman".

          Unfortunately (I apologize because) I do not expertise in this subject so I cannot provide a good answer and I leave it to others to answer.

          Actually we have discussed for so many times on this subject but I think many of us are still confused on this.

          The hadithers are crazy people. In their electric-shocked brains are "sex, sex, sex".

          Thank you! Yes, I will search around for a good answer and hopefully be satisfied with one good answer (if there is one)! This is like a nightmare for me.. But they say that consent from the captive is not important and this is making me sicker! i.e. rape!

          May Allah guide this ummah! pr
          Ijaz A

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            Oh my god! This baboon is idiot! Look at this so called "scholar" of Islam It is Ok for slaves to see you nude

            Women want to legalize having sex slaves Honestly I want to voodoo elektro

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              Oh my god! This baboon is idiot! Look at this so called "scholar" of Islam It is Ok for slaves to see you nude

              Women want to legalize having sex slaves Honestly I want to voodoo elektro

              hypno

              yuck

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                peace all

                those who bealieve in Hadith will one day, after knowing the truth of Hadith, brickwall

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                  This is the answer I got from a Sunni

                  Islam on slave girls/concubines

                  What do you think? hmm

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                    Free sex is not allowed (7029-31) and marriages (manner ?) with slaves is allowed.

                    Therefore . . .

                    And whoever among you cannot
                    the means to marry free believing women (and if he fears sin of adultery)

                    THEN from those whom your right hands possess of believing slave girls
                    (425-26)

                    ELSE, cannot marry believing slave girls (33.50)

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                      hafeez_kazi
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                      Peace

                      Why people are talking about having sex with the slaves/captives, our Hadith has permitted free sex with all plus a guaranteed entry to paradise

                      Bukhari Book 8 Volume 76 Hadith 450
                      Narrated Abu Dhar

                      Once I went out at night and found Allah's Apostle walking all alone accompanied by nobody, and I thought that perhaps he disliked that someone should accompany him. So I walked in the shade, away from the moonlight, but the Prophet looked behind and saw me and said, "Who is that?" I replied, "Abu Dhar, let Allah get me sacrificed for you!" He said, "O Abu Dhar, come here!" So I accompanied him for a while and then he said, "The rich are in fact the poor (little rewarded) on the Day of Resurrection except him whom Allah gives wealth which he gives (in charity) to his right, left, front and back, and does good deeds with it. I walked with him a little longer. Then he said to me, "Sit down here." So he made me sit in an open space surrounded by rocks, and said to me, "Sit here till I come back to you." He went towards Al-Harra till I could not see him, and he stayed away for a long period, and then I heard him saying, while he was coming, "Even if he had committed theft, and even if he had committed illegal sexual intercourse?" When he came, I could not remain patient and asked him, "O Allah's Prophet! Let Allah get me sacrificed for you! Whom were you speaking to by the side of Al-Harra? I did not hear anybody responding to your talk." He said, "It was Gabriel who appeared to me beside Al-Harra and said, 'Give the good news to your followers that whoever dies without having worshipped anything besides Allah, will enter Paradise.' I said, 'O Gabriel! Even if he had committed theft or committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, 'Yes.' I said, 'Even if he has committed theft or committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, 'Yes.' I said, 'Even if he has committed theft or committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, 'Yes.' "

                      What the Quran says

                      And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden , except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty. Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated

                      There is no sexual relationship with anyone without marriage and without the UJOOR being paid and this is paid before the consummation of the marriage.

                      O Prophet, We have made lawful to you the WIVES to whom you have given their due compensation AND what is owned / sponsored (by) your oath, OF / FROM those whom Allah has given thee as (females) spoils of war and the daughters of your paternal uncles and paternal aunts, and of your paternal and maternal aunt who migrated with you and any believing woman who gives herself to the prophet if the Prophet wishes to take her in marriage This is only for you and not any other believer. We know the duties We have imposed on them concerning their wives and those whom their right hand possesses, so that there should be no fault in you. Allah is the Forgiving and Merciful. (33 50)

                      The MMA are OF/FROM the SPOILS OF WAR.

                      The MMA are also OF/FROM the FEMALE SERVANTS WORKING AT HOME

                      And whoever among you has not the power to prolong the marrying of a free believing women (let him marry) what is owned / sponsored (by) your oath FROM among your believing FEMALE SERVANTS. Allah knows best your belief, you are from each other. Marry them with the permission of their people (owners / sponsors (by) oath) and give them their due compensation what is reasonable (and do not be) lustful and do not take them as secret lovers. But when they (become) free (from the bondage and are married) and if they commit unlawful sex, they shall be liable to half the punishment of a free woman. That is for those of you who fear fornication, but it is better for you to be patient. Allah is the Forgiver, the Most Merciful. (4 25)

                      Thanks

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                        Free sex is not allowed (7029-31) and marriages (manner ?) with slaves is allowed.

                        Therefore . . .

                        And whoever among you cannot
                        the means to marry free believing women (and if he fears sin of adultery)

                        THEN from those whom your right hands possess of believing slave girls
                        (425-26)

                        ELSE, cannot marry believing slave girls (33.50)

                        424 And the already protected from the women, except those committed to you by oath; God's scripture is over you; and permitted for you is what is beyond this, if you are seeking with your money to be protected and not for illicit sex. As for those whom you have already had joy with, then you shall give them their dowries as an obligation. There is no sin upon you for what you agree to after the obligation. God is Knowledgeable, Wise.
                        425 And whoever of you cannot afford to marry the believing protected women, then from those committed to you by oath of the believing young women. God is more aware of your faith, some of you to each other. You shall marry them with the permission of their parents and give them their dowries in kindness; to be protected, not for illicit sex or taking lovers. If they become protected, then any of them who comes with lewdness shall have half the punishment of what is for the protected women. This is for those who fear hardship from among you. But if you are patient it is better for you, and God is Forgiver, Merciful.
                        426 God wants to make clear for you and guide you to the ways of those before you, and pardon you, and God is Knowledgeable, Wise.

                        Think that's a better translation. I think the words used in the actual arabic should be studied more carefully. Things like "slave girls", "committed to you by oath", "believing young women" need to be analysed. I don't think "slave girls" is how it's used in the Qur'an...

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                          Jafar
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                          I was chatting with a hadith follower and he said that it is permissible to have sex with captives/slaves because they are "your" property/share from the booty hypno

                          Step back a bit, even having slaves or having another human being as one property is an EVIL act. brickwall
                          Why? Because it's unjust and an act of oppression.
                          Why it's unjust? Change the perspective, what if YOU are the slave? Would you like to be treated as property?

                          Now let's addresses the FORCED SEX / RAPING act.
                          Raping another human or animal is an evil act.
                          Why? Because it's unjust and an act of oppression.
                          Why it's unjust? Change the perspective, Would you like to be raped?

                          This is among the key evidence to prove that Islamism is a sick and mentally retarded ideology invented by a military and political institution / the caliphate.

                          Tell your hadith follower friend.
                          If having FORCED SEX / RAPING captives and slaves is an honorable/allowable act.
                          Then mentioned the cases that happened in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, what's his/her opinion about it?

                          Salam / Peace

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                            muslims
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                            Think that's a better translation. I think the words used in the actual arabic should be studied more carefully. Things like "slave girls", "committed to you by oath", "believing young women" need to be analysed. I don't think "slave girls" is how it's used in the Qur'an...

                            Good idea, refer here. . .

                            http//www.islamawakened.com/quran/4/25/default.htm

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                              Step back a bit, even having slaves or having another human being as one property is an EVIL act. brickwall
                              Why? Because it's unjust and an act of oppression.
                              Why it's unjust? Change the perspective, what if YOU are the slave? Would you like to be treated as property?

                              Now let's addresses the FORCED SEX / RAPING act.
                              Raping another human or animal is an evil act.
                              Why? Because it's unjust and an act of oppression.
                              Why it's unjust? Change the perspective, Would you like to be raped?

                              This is among the key evidence to prove that Islamism is a sick and mentally retarded ideology invented by a military and political institution / the caliphate.

                              Tell your hadith follower friend.
                              If having FORCED SEX / RAPING captives and slaves is an honorable/allowable act.
                              Then mentioned the cases that happened in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, what's his/her opinion about it?

                              Salam / Peace

                              That question.

                              If you asked this to rapists and those kinds of men who are thinking about raping someone else,

                              They will run a mile.

                              It's a nasty and horrible act that should never happen.

                              No one will ever have a conscience unless they can empathize with others and treat them with respect.

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                                IjazAhmad
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                                Step back a bit, even having slaves or having another human being as one property is an EVIL act. brickwall
                                Why? Because it's unjust and an act of oppression.
                                Why it's unjust? Change the perspective, what if YOU are the slave? Would you like to be treated as property?

                                Now let's addresses the FORCED SEX / RAPING act.
                                Raping another human or animal is an evil act.
                                Why? Because it's unjust and an act of oppression.
                                Why it's unjust? Change the perspective, Would you like to be raped?

                                This is among the key evidence to prove that Islamism is a sick and mentally retarded ideology invented by a military and political institution / the caliphate.

                                Tell your hadith follower friend.
                                If having FORCED SEX / RAPING captives and slaves is an honorable/allowable act.
                                Then mentioned the cases that happened in Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, what's his/her opinion about it?

                                Salam / Peace

                                Salaamun Alaikum!

                                I asked him if your mother or your sister got raped what will you do? He said he would be angry! But.. He said that Allah have made it permissible to have sex with female captives caught during a war. It makes me sick! These so called Muslims are nasty idiots.

                                Why would Allah - The most merciful allow such thing? And why do they think that Allah did allow such a thing? I need to vomit!

                                Nowhere in the Qur'an does it say"O you who have believed, rape the female captives" (Astaghfirullah). This is why Muslims countries are backward and are getting attacked. These fools follow something else! brickwall brickwall brickwall brickwall

                                They say a Muslim man can marry four wives but he can also have concubines as well as sex with female captives. Damn.. These people are extremists!

                                May Allah guide us all!

                                Peace,
                                Ijaz

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                                  I asked him if your mother or your sister got raped what will you do? He said he would be angry! But.. He said that Allah have made it permissible to have sex with female captives caught during a war. It makes me sick! These so called Muslims are nasty idiots.

                                  Islamism is a political ideology,
                                  The ideology was invented to make people willing to die in the battlefield, for the sake of the inventor (Caliph, Sultan, King)
                                  The reward of loot, booty, captives if they survived the battle and heaven with 72 virgins if they died on the battlefield makes it a compelling proposition which is very hard to refuse.

                                  Please also see
                                  How Evil Works / The Psychology of Evil
                                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606011.0

                                  Why would Allah - The most merciful allow such thing? And why do they think that Allah did allow such a thing? I need to vomit!

                                  He did allow such thing to happened.
                                  As it has happened many times before.
                                  However He has a system which guarantees anyone shall earn what they deserved.

                                  Salam / Peace

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                                    Salaamun Alaikum! group

                                    I was chatting with a hadith follower and he said that it is permissible to have sex with captives/slaves because they are "your" property/share from the booty hypno

                                    He quoted some verses from the Qur'an and hadiths

                                    ?And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan girls then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice? 43

                                    ?O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridalmoney given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses ? whom Allaah has given to you, and the daughters of your ?Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your ?Ammaat (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khaal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khaalaat (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (slaves) whom their right hands possess, in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allaah is Ever OftForgiving, Most Merciful? 3350

                                    Muwatta Malik, Book 29, Hadith 100
                                    Yahya related to me from Malik from Humayd ibn Qays al-Makki that a man called Dhafif said that Ibn Abbas was asked about coitus interruptus. He called a slave-girl of his and said, "Tell them." She was embarrassed. He said, "It is alright, and I do it myself." Malik said, "A man does not practise coitus interruptus with a free woman unless she gives her permission.

                                    Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 5, Book 59, Hadith 459
                                    Narrated Ibn Muhairiz
                                    I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Messenger (&#65018 for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interrupt us, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Messenger (&#65018 who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist."

                                    My comment So according to the above hadith, if i understood it correctely(?). The Messenger according to this hadith said That do not do 'Azl (It is better for you not to do so) but get her pregnant instead because if any soul is predestined to exist, it will exist. Did I get it right? hmm

                                    Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 3, Book 46, Hadith 718
                                    Narrated Ibn Muhairiz
                                    I saw Abu Said and asked him about coitus interruptus. Abu Said said, "We went with Allah's Apostle, in the Ghazwa of Bani Al-Mustaliq and we captured some of the 'Arabs as captives, and the long separation from our wives was pressing us hard and we wanted to practice coitus interruptus. We asked Allah's Messenger (&#65018 (whether it was permissible). He said, "It is better for you not to do so. No soul, (that which Allah has) destined to exist, up to the Day of Resurrection, but will definitely come, into existence."

                                    So according to these hadith followers.. sex with captives is permissible from the Qur'an and hadiths. Man... I'm worried!
                                    Can you believe it! Wifes at home and the Messengers 'Sahaba' and even the Messenger nailing some captives/slaves? It does not feel right!

                                    Some hadith followers believe that the Messenger did get Maria Qutiby from a booty/share(?) I guess..

                                    What do you guys think and do Islam really allow this. This is disturbing me somehow &

                                    What do you think about this.. There are more hadiths but are more worse than these I quoted!

                                    Wassalam
                                    May Allah guide us all! pr

                                    The Quran only allowed two options for prisoners of war. Freedom or ransom. The verses about MMA has nothing to do with prisoners of war.

                                    As far as MMA is concerned, MMA is what we call a concubine. Many prophets in the Old Testament had concubines as well as wives.

                                    The only difference is concubines have no dowry arrangements and is considered an inferior form of marriage for that reason. When the believers came to Medina they came across a larger Jewish presense there and the practice of concubinage (urfi marriage in Arabic) was prevalent. Its an acceptable form of arrangement but the Quran does not advice that form of relationship since its open for abuse.

                                    Later Islamic authorities changed its meaning to mean prisoners of war.

                                    In the Bible

                                    Among the Israelites, men commonly acknowledged their concubines, and such women enjoyed the same rights in the house as legitimate wives.

                                    The concubine may not have commanded the same respect and inviolability as the wife. In the Levitical rules on sexual relations, the Hebrew word that is commonly translated as "wife" is distinct from the Hebrew word that means "concubine". However, on at least one other occasion the term is used to refer to a woman who is not a wife - specifically, the handmaiden of Jacob's wife. In the Levitical code, sexual intercourse between a man and a wife of a different man was forbidden and punishable by death for both persons involved. The Bible notes several incidents of intercourse between a man and another man's concubine, and (rape excepted) none of them resulted in capital punishment for either party, although the man to whom the concubine belonged was dishonored by such a relationship. For instance, Jacob is dishonoured when his son Reuben sleeps with his concubine Bilhah but the consequence is that Reuben is disgraced and cut out of the genealogical line. David is portrayed as having been dishonored when his son Absalom deliberately has public sex with all his father's concubines on the roof of the palace, on the advice of David's former counsellor Ahithophel. Absalom does this not just as an act of sexual potency but to show the nation that everything David had is now his, that he is the king and in total command and that David is disgraced, exiled and not coming back.

                                    Because it was regarded as the highest blessing to have many children, legitimate wives often gave their maids to their husbands to atone, at least in part, if they were barren, as in the cases of Sarah and Hagar, and Rachel and Bilhah. The children of the concubine often had equal rights with those of the legitimate wife; for example, King Abimelech was the son of Gideon and his concubine. However, Abraham's actions in allowing his wife Sarah to drive his concubine Hagar away and in sending all the sons of his concubines away with gifts, rather than allowing them to stay and have an equal inheritance with his son Isaac, indicates that he saw them as inferior to Isaac, who had been promised to him and was Sarah's child. Later biblical figures such as Gideon, and Solomon had concubines in addition to many childbearing wives. For example, the Books of Kings say that Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

                                    The disturbing account of the unnamed Levite shows that the taking of concubines was not the exclusive preserve of Kings or patriarchs in Israel during the time of the Judges and that the rape of a concubine was completely unacceptable to the Israelite nation and led to a civil war. In the story, the Levite appears to be an ordinary member of the tribe dedicated to the worship of God, who was undoubtedly dishonoured both by the unfaithfulness of his concubine and her abandonment of him. However, after four months, he decides to follow her back to her family home to persuade her to return to him. Her father seeks to delay his return and he does not leave early enough to make the return journey in a single day. The hospitality he is offered at Gibeah, the way in which his host's daughter is offered to the townsmen and the circumstances of his concubine's death at their hands describe a lawless time where visitors are both welcomed and threatened in equal measure. The most disturbing aspect of this account is that both the Levite and his (male) host seek to protect themselves by offering their womenfolk to their aggressors for sex, in exchange for their own safety. The Levite acts in a way which indicates that he believes that the multiple rape of his unfaithful concubine is preferable to the violation of the virginity of his host's daughter or a sexual assault on his own person. In the morning, the Levite appears to be quite indifferent to the condition of his concubine and expects her to resume the journey but she is dead. He dismembers her body and distributes her (body parts) throughout the nation of Israel as a terrible message. This outrages and revolts the Israelite tribesmen who then wreak total retribution on the men of Gibeah and the surrounding tribe of Benjamin when they support them, killing them without mercy and burning all their towns. The inhabitants of (the town of) Jabesh Gilead are then slaughtered as a punishment for not joining the eleven tribes in their war against the Benjamites and their four hundred unmarried daughters given in forced marriage to the six hundred Benjamite survivors. Finally, the two hundred Benjamite survivors who still have no wives are granted a mass marriage by abduction by the other tribes.

                                    There are no concubines in the New Testament. St Paul emphasises that church leaders should be in monogamous marriages, that believers should not have sexual relationships outside marriage. and that unmarried believers should be celibate. Marriage is to reflect the exclusive relationship between the husband (Christ) and wife (his church), described as a "mystery".
                                    In Judaism

                                    In Judaism, concubines are referred to by the Hebrew term pilegesh. The term is a non-Hebrew, non-Semitic loanword derived from the Greek word, pallakis, Greek , meaning "a mistress staying in house".

                                    According to the Babylonian Talmud, the difference between a concubine and a full wife was that the latter received a marriage contract (Hebrewketubah) and her marriage (nissu'in) was preceded by a formal betrothal (erusin). Neither was the case for a concubine. One opinion in the Jerusalem Talmud argues that the concubine should also receive a marriage contract, but without a clause specifying a divorce settlement.

                                    Certain Jewish thinkers, such as Maimonides, believed that concubines were strictly reserved for kings, and thus that a commoner may not have a concubine. Indeed, such thinkers argued that commoners may not engage in any type of sexual relations outside of a marriage.

                                    Maimonides was not the first Jewish thinker to criticise concubinage. For example, Leviticus Rabbah severely condemns the custom. Other Jewish thinkers, such as Nahmanides, Samuel ben Uri Shraga Phoebus, and Jacob Emden, strongly objected to the idea that concubines should be forbidden.

                                    http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concubinage

                                    Its important to understand that MMA is primarily a Judaic. Western societies understood concubinage differently. Only Islamic authorities attached it to slavery and prisoners of war. But what is important is the Quranic use of the term which is based on its biblical understanding.

                                    When the Quran says "ma malakat aymanukum" meaning what you possessed by oath, it means a relationship established by oath only without dowry or financial arrangement and encourages to elevate that arrangement to a full marriage by establishing a dowry and financial arrangement and also informing family members. This happens many times in urfi marriages where the man denies ever having relationship with a women and tears off the contract he had with her.

                                    Nikah 'urfi is a "customary" Sunni Muslim marriage contract that is not registered with state authorities. This form of marriage usually requires witnesses. Couples repeat the words, "We got married" and pledge commitment before God, although there are many other informal ways in which people marry `urfi. Usually a paper, stating that the two are married, is written and at least two witnesses sign it, although others may record their commitment on a cassette tape and use other forms of documentation. Most Arab countries do not recognize 'Urfi marriages and do not allow partners to get a 'legal' divorce since the government does not recognize the legality of the marriage in the first place. Sometimes these relationships are a way for people to have sex with each other within what is perceived to be a licit framework. Nevertheless, the relationship is often kept secret from family members and women often become pregnant but are unable to prove they are married or get a divorce.

                                    The 'Urfi marriage has always existed, but for different reasons.

                                    In the past, it was common among the widows of soldiers who had huge pensions and they did not want to lose it by officially re-marrying. Now, however, it is mostly among university students and young couples who cannot afford the high cost of marriage.

                                    Undocumented 'Urfi marriages are increasingly popular among Egyptian youth. The high cost of marriage forces many young couples to wait several years before they marry. Conservative Egyptian society forbids sex before marriage, so many young people consider the 'Urfi marriage a solution. 'Urfi marriages are conducted by a Muslim cleric in the presence of two witnesses. However, they are not officially registered and are not legally financially binding on the man. Couples married in this way often meet in secret and avoid the expense of renting an apartment. The 'Urfi marriage can be disastrous for the wife in legal terms. If the husband leaves her without granting her a divorce, she had no legal right to seek a divorce since 'Urfi marriage is considered illegal. Her husband could remarry. The wife is in a more difficult position. If the wife remarries, she can be accused of polyandry, which is punishable by seven years in prison in Egypt, or she could remain single for the rest of her life.

                                    The new Egyptian law (passed in 2000) recognizes the woman's right to seek divorce from an 'Urfi marriage. However, the law denies her alimony and child support.

                                    There are also controversial, unofficial "'Urfi" marriages, where a couple signs documents declaring themselves married. The couple does not inform their families of the marriage. Many Egyptian clerics are against this type of 'Urfi marriage calling it a cover for pre-marital sex.

                                    An extreme form of 'Urfi marriage is known as zawag al-'urfi to give prostitution an Islamic cover, some women enter into secret marriage contracts with their summer visitors. Known in Egypt as zawag al-'urfi, this contract is made without witnesses and typically ends in divorce by summer's end. Most of Egypt's Islamic scholars condemn this use of zawag al-'urfi.

                                    http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_%27urfi

                                    It has nothing to do with slavery or prisoners of war. Slavery is a barbaric act practiced by the Pharaoh in the Quran and Joseph's brothers and sex with female slaves is rape and nothing else and prisoners of war are already discussed in the Quran.

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                                      The Quran only allowed two options for prisoners of war. Freedom or ransom. The verses about MMA has nothing to do with prisoners of war.

                                      As far as MMA is concerned, MMA is what we call a concubine. Many prophets in the Old Testament had concubines as well as wives.

                                      The only difference is concubines have no dowry arrangements and is considered an inferior form of marriage for that reason. When the believers came to Medina they came across a larger Jewish presense there and the practice of concubinage (urfi marriage in Arabic) was prevalent. Its an acceptable form of arrangement but the Quran does not advice that form of relationship since its open for abuse.

                                      Later Islamic authorities changed its meaning to mean prisoners of war.

                                      In the Bible

                                      Among the Israelites, men commonly acknowledged their concubines, and such women enjoyed the same rights in the house as legitimate wives.

                                      The concubine may not have commanded the same respect and inviolability as the wife. In the Levitical rules on sexual relations, the Hebrew word that is commonly translated as "wife" is distinct from the Hebrew word that means "concubine". However, on at least one other occasion the term is used to refer to a woman who is not a wife - specifically, the handmaiden of Jacob's wife. In the Levitical code, sexual intercourse between a man and a wife of a different man was forbidden and punishable by death for both persons involved. The Bible notes several incidents of intercourse between a man and another man's concubine, and (rape excepted) none of them resulted in capital punishment for either party, although the man to whom the concubine belonged was dishonored by such a relationship. For instance, Jacob is dishonoured when his son Reuben sleeps with his concubine Bilhah but the consequence is that Reuben is disgraced and cut out of the genealogical line. David is portrayed as having been dishonored when his son Absalom deliberately has public sex with all his father's concubines on the roof of the palace, on the advice of David's former counsellor Ahithophel. Absalom does this not just as an act of sexual potency but to show the nation that everything David had is now his, that he is the king and in total command and that David is disgraced, exiled and not coming back.

                                      Because it was regarded as the highest blessing to have many children, legitimate wives often gave their maids to their husbands to atone, at least in part, if they were barren, as in the cases of Sarah and Hagar, and Rachel and Bilhah. The children of the concubine often had equal rights with those of the legitimate wife; for example, King Abimelech was the son of Gideon and his concubine. However, Abraham's actions in allowing his wife Sarah to drive his concubine Hagar away and in sending all the sons of his concubines away with gifts, rather than allowing them to stay and have an equal inheritance with his son Isaac, indicates that he saw them as inferior to Isaac, who had been promised to him and was Sarah's child. Later biblical figures such as Gideon, and Solomon had concubines in addition to many childbearing wives. For example, the Books of Kings say that Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

                                      The disturbing account of the unnamed Levite shows that the taking of concubines was not the exclusive preserve of Kings or patriarchs in Israel during the time of the Judges and that the rape of a concubine was completely unacceptable to the Israelite nation and led to a civil war. In the story, the Levite appears to be an ordinary member of the tribe dedicated to the worship of God, who was undoubtedly dishonoured both by the unfaithfulness of his concubine and her abandonment of him. However, after four months, he decides to follow her back to her family home to persuade her to return to him. Her father seeks to delay his return and he does not leave early enough to make the return journey in a single day. The hospitality he is offered at Gibeah, the way in which his host's daughter is offered to the townsmen and the circumstances of his concubine's death at their hands describe a lawless time where visitors are both welcomed and threatened in equal measure. The most disturbing aspect of this account is that both the Levite and his (male) host seek to protect themselves by offering their womenfolk to their aggressors for sex, in exchange for their own safety. The Levite acts in a way which indicates that he believes that the multiple rape of his unfaithful concubine is preferable to the violation of the virginity of his host's daughter or a sexual assault on his own person. In the morning, the Levite appears to be quite indifferent to the condition of his concubine and expects her to resume the journey but she is dead. He dismembers her body and distributes her (body parts) throughout the nation of Israel as a terrible message. This outrages and revolts the Israelite tribesmen who then wreak total retribution on the men of Gibeah and the surrounding tribe of Benjamin when they support them, killing them without mercy and burning all their towns. The inhabitants of (the town of) Jabesh Gilead are then slaughtered as a punishment for not joining the eleven tribes in their war against the Benjamites and their four hundred unmarried daughters given in forced marriage to the six hundred Benjamite survivors. Finally, the two hundred Benjamite survivors who still have no wives are granted a mass marriage by abduction by the other tribes.

                                      There are no concubines in the New Testament. St Paul emphasises that church leaders should be in monogamous marriages, that believers should not have sexual relationships outside marriage. and that unmarried believers should be celibate. Marriage is to reflect the exclusive relationship between the husband (Christ) and wife (his church), described as a "mystery".
                                      In Judaism

                                      In Judaism, concubines are referred to by the Hebrew term pilegesh. The term is a non-Hebrew, non-Semitic loanword derived from the Greek word, pallakis, Greek , meaning "a mistress staying in house".

                                      According to the Babylonian Talmud, the difference between a concubine and a full wife was that the latter received a marriage contract (Hebrewketubah) and her marriage (nissu'in) was preceded by a formal betrothal (erusin). Neither was the case for a concubine. One opinion in the Jerusalem Talmud argues that the concubine should also receive a marriage contract, but without a clause specifying a divorce settlement.

                                      Certain Jewish thinkers, such as Maimonides, believed that concubines were strictly reserved for kings, and thus that a commoner may not have a concubine. Indeed, such thinkers argued that commoners may not engage in any type of sexual relations outside of a marriage.

                                      Maimonides was not the first Jewish thinker to criticise concubinage. For example, Leviticus Rabbah severely condemns the custom. Other Jewish thinkers, such as Nahmanides, Samuel ben Uri Shraga Phoebus, and Jacob Emden, strongly objected to the idea that concubines should be forbidden.

                                      http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concubinage

                                      Its important to understand that MMA is primarily a Judaic. Western societies understood concubinage differently. Only Islamic authorities attached it to slavery and prisoners of war. But what is important is the Quranic use of the term which is based on its biblical understanding.

                                      When the Quran says "ma malakat aymanukum" meaning what you possessed by oath, it means a relationship established by oath only without dowry or financial arrangement and encourages to elevate that arrangement to a full marriage by establishing a dowry and financial arrangement and also informing family members. This happens many times in urfi marriages where the man denies ever having relationship with a women and tears off the contract he had with her.

                                      Nikah 'urfi is a "customary" Sunni Muslim marriage contract that is not registered with state authorities. This form of marriage usually requires witnesses. Couples repeat the words, "We got married" and pledge commitment before God, although there are many other informal ways in which people marry `urfi. Usually a paper, stating that the two are married, is written and at least two witnesses sign it, although others may record their commitment on a cassette tape and use other forms of documentation. Most Arab countries do not recognize 'Urfi marriages and do not allow partners to get a 'legal' divorce since the government does not recognize the legality of the marriage in the first place. Sometimes these relationships are a way for people to have sex with each other within what is perceived to be a licit framework. Nevertheless, the relationship is often kept secret from family members and women often become pregnant but are unable to prove they are married or get a divorce.

                                      The 'Urfi marriage has always existed, but for different reasons.

                                      In the past, it was common among the widows of soldiers who had huge pensions and they did not want to lose it by officially re-marrying. Now, however, it is mostly among university students and young couples who cannot afford the high cost of marriage.

                                      Undocumented 'Urfi marriages are increasingly popular among Egyptian youth. The high cost of marriage forces many young couples to wait several years before they marry. Conservative Egyptian society forbids sex before marriage, so many young people consider the 'Urfi marriage a solution. 'Urfi marriages are conducted by a Muslim cleric in the presence of two witnesses. However, they are not officially registered and are not legally financially binding on the man. Couples married in this way often meet in secret and avoid the expense of renting an apartment. The 'Urfi marriage can be disastrous for the wife in legal terms. If the husband leaves her without granting her a divorce, she had no legal right to seek a divorce since 'Urfi marriage is considered illegal. Her husband could remarry. The wife is in a more difficult position. If the wife remarries, she can be accused of polyandry, which is punishable by seven years in prison in Egypt, or she could remain single for the rest of her life.

                                      The new Egyptian law (passed in 2000) recognizes the woman's right to seek divorce from an 'Urfi marriage. However, the law denies her alimony and child support.

                                      There are also controversial, unofficial "'Urfi" marriages, where a couple signs documents declaring themselves married. The couple does not inform their families of the marriage. Many Egyptian clerics are against this type of 'Urfi marriage calling it a cover for pre-marital sex.

                                      An extreme form of 'Urfi marriage is known as zawag al-'urfi to give prostitution an Islamic cover, some women enter into secret marriage contracts with their summer visitors. Known in Egypt as zawag al-'urfi, this contract is made without witnesses and typically ends in divorce by summer's end. Most of Egypt's Islamic scholars condemn this use of zawag al-'urfi.

                                      http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_%27urfi

                                      It has nothing to do with slavery or prisoners of war. Slavery is a barbaric act practiced by the Pharaoh in the Quran and Joseph's brothers and sex with female slaves is rape and nothing else and prisoners of war are already discussed in the Quran.

                                      Really good answer! bravo

                                      Will research more about this matter!

                                      May Allah increase our knowledge pr

                                      peace

                                      Ijaz A

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