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Why do you reject hadiths if the same people compiled the Qur'an?

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    IjazAhmad
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    Salamun Alaikum handshake

    Sunnis ask some questions to justify their hadith collections. . .

    ((1)) -- Why do u accept the Qur'an, compiled by those narrators/sahabas the job which was done after the death of the Prophet.

    ((2)) -- It is not from everybody rather than the trustworthy people, the sahaba collected the Qur'an (Made it into a book form). So if you reject hadiths, then why do you believe in the Qur'an?

    ((3)) -- You said the hadith collections are not protected by God? Are they protected as they memorize, standards and compiled the Holy Qur'an? -- What does he mean? hypno

    And then the Sunni said The kafeer of sunnah would remain a kafeer untill he accepted the sunnah rotfl

    Wassalam peace
    Ijaz, A.

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      peace

      Bukhari Book 8 Volume 76 Hadith 450
      Narrated Abu Dhar

      Once I went out at night and found Allah's Apostle walking all alone accompanied by nobody, and I thought that perhaps he disliked that someone should accompany him. So I walked in the shade, away from the moonlight, but the Prophet looked behind and saw me and said, "Who is that?" I replied, "Abu Dhar, let Allah get me sacrificed for you!" He said, "O Abu Dhar, come here!" So I accompanied him for a while and then he said, "The rich are in fact the poor (little rewarded) on the Day of Resurrection except him whom Allah gives wealth which he gives (in charity) to his right, left, front and back, and does good deeds with it. I walked with him a little longer. Then he said to me, "Sit down here." So he made me sit in an open space surrounded by rocks, and said to me, "Sit here till I come back to you." He went towards Al-Harra till I could not see him, and he stayed away for a long period, and then I heard him saying, while he was coming, "Even if he had committed theft, and even if he had committed illegal sexual intercourse?" When he came, I could not remain patient and asked him, "O Allah's Prophet! Let Allah get me sacrificed for you! Whom were you speaking to by the side of Al-Harra? I did not hear anybody responding to your talk." He said, "It was Gabriel who appeared to me beside Al-Harra and said, 'Give the good news to your followers that whoever dies without having worshipped anything besides Allah, will enter Paradise.' I said, 'O Gabriel! Even if he had committed theft or committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, 'Yes.' I said, 'Even if he has committed theft or committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, 'Yes.' I said, 'Even if he has committed theft or committed illegal sexual intercourse?' He said, 'Yes.' "

      We don't believe in such garbage therefore we do not believe in HADITH.

      Sahabas were not the authors of the Quran and neither they were the compilers of the Quran.

      The authors of the Hadith were none other than the Persians.

      The People who first compiled the Quran then later on compiled the Hadith then why they are contradicting each other?

      The above hadith is one example of the Quranic verse contradiction.

      And the SLAVES (MEN and WOMEN, MARRIED and UNMARRIED) of the Most Merciful ARE THOSE who walk upon the earth easily, and when the ignorant address them , they say peace AND THOSE who spend the night to their Lord prostrating and standing moderate AND THOSE who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden , except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty. Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated Except for those who repent, believe and do righteous work. For them Allah will replace their evil deeds with good. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful. 25 63 to 70

      How many examples do they need to label the Hadith as GARBAGE

      Thanks

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        I recommend
        http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601994.msg271968#msg271968

        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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          Sahabas were not the authors of the Quran and neither they were the compilers of the Quran.

          I agree.

          And the SLAVES (MEN and WOMEN, MARRIED and UNMARRIED) of the Most Merciful ARE THOSE who walk upon the earth easily, and when the ignorant address them , they say peace AND THOSE who spend the night to their Lord prostrating and standing moderate AND THOSE who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden , except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty. Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated Except for those who repent, believe and do righteous work. For them Allah will replace their evil deeds with good. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful. 25 63 to 70

          It is indeed awesome rule, dazzling justice.

          The Qur'an is very cool awesome, and it is very much too high and far more excellent when compare to Bukhari book.

          Peace.

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            Peace,

            How little they know. They do not even know the meaning of "kafir".

            God bless you

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              We are not going to have cameras giving us the exact way in which things hapenned many years ago, and even cameras, we know, can hide the truth, so what is this interest in tracing who were the compilers of hadith and amalgamating them with the compilers of the Qur'an beats me.

              What matters is what we have before us and what we can read. And the difference between hadith and Qur'an is so obvious one asks oneself where in sight is the similitude? I do not see such similitude.

              To start with, the Qur'an is a whole and organic whole. Hadith are a haphazard throwing together of the most HETEREGENEOUS MATERIALS. Some absolutely repulsive, and some sublime. We could say that some hadith, the sublime ones, can recall the Qur'an, but ALL hadith do not recall the Qur'an and plenty of them are an insult to the Qur'an, so where is the paralle? Nowhere.

              On the other hand we see that even of the same purported event there are different versions in the hadith. Of the Qur'an we only know one version. Were it not from the beginning an authentic original on which ell reproductions depended, we would had around all through history different Qur'ans. The thing is that there is no recollection of there ever being a different Qur'an than what we have. All in one piece.

              But even that is not the most important. The important is the content.

              The Qur'an does not contain rubbish like some hadith do. It contains things which may be applicable at certain times and not at other times, but it does not contain nonsense and superfluity, rather pushes us to disregard that.

              Like they say the proof of the cake is in the eating.

              Salaam

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                Sunnis ask some questions to justify their hadith collections. . .

                ((1)) -- Why do u accept the Qur'an

                Because the Quran is from God yes

                Sunnis ask some questions to justify their hadith collections. . .
                ((2)) -- It is not from everybody rather than the trustworthy people, the sahaba collected the Qur'an (Made it into a book form). So if you reject hadiths, then why do you believe in the Qur'an?

                Believers trust God. We do not have the prophet with us to trust.

                ((3)) -- You said the hadith collections are not protected by God? Are they protected as they memorize, standards and compiled the Holy Qur'an? -- What does he mean? hypno

                Desperate nonsense

                Article from Islamic Research

                Things NOT Contained In The Quran List of Interpolations

                1. Saying that the Quran is not self-sufficient and that there is need for additional speculations.
                2. Taking the hadiths as a source for Islam.
                3. Sectarian scholars pronouncing fatwas or ijtihads (canonical jurisprudence).
                4. Practices conforming to sectarian dictates.
                5. Equating sects with the religion.
                6. Reciting the Quran for the sake of its music without understanding the text.
                7. Using the Quran as a book of prayer recited for the souls of the departed.
                8. Contributing authority to the Prophet outside the scope of the Quran.
                9. The fact that God created everything for the sake of Muhammad.
                10. Competition between prophets. Supremacy of some prophets over other prophets.
                11. Imitation of the ways and manners of the Prophet even before his prophethood.
                12. The belief that the Quran has missing points which can be found in other books.
                13. To announce certain select devotees to be Muslim saints and visit their tombs with all sorts of reverential rituals.
                14. To idolize the sheikhs of religious orders.
                15. Establishing a type of communication with the sheikhs by a special ritual called rab?ta.
                16. To claim that only the Sunnites or the Shiites are to go to paradise.
                17. To declare the Jews and Christians as the future dwellers of hell.
                18. To adopt Arabic customs and traditions as religious practices.
                19. To come forth alleging to be reformist with a view to changing the Quranic religion.
                20. To formulate religious precepts ascribing them to the Prophet.
                21. To claim that the vote of the majority always prevails.
                22. To interpret the continuity of sects as evidence of their genuineness.
                23. The Hanafi sect.
                24. The Shafi sect.
                25. The Hanbali sect.
                26. The Maliki sect.
                27. The Jafari sect.
                28. All Sunni and Shii sects.
                29. Any sect like Maturidiya, Ashariya.
                30. A canon book called Majalla.
                31. To deny reason and favor apishness.
                32. Hostility against science.
                33. Hostility against the arts.
                34. To abide by the rules that the book entitled Sahihi Bukhari lays down.
                35. To abide by the rules of the hadith book entitled Muslim
                36. To abide by the rules of the hadith books Kutub-i Sitte or other such books.
                37. To venerate individuals to whom religiosity is ascribed other than the Prophet.
                38. The allegation that all of those who had the privilege to set eyes on the Prophet (sahaba) were on the right path.
                39. The wearing of the headscarf.
                40. The wearing of the veil.
                41. Segregation of men and women.
                42. The fact that a woman is not allowed to travel alone.
                43. The wrong and absurd belief that a woman can never repay the debts she owes to her husband even if she were to lick him from head to foot when he is in a deplorable state covered with pus.
                44. ?If prostration was permitted to any entity other that God, the wife should prostrate herself before her husband? claimed the hadith.
                45. That a woman cannot become a head of state or an administrator.
                46. That women have no right to vote for the governing body of the government.
                47. That women?s voices must not be audible to men.
                48. That women are not allowed to perform the Friday salat.
                49. That women is not allowed to perform salat, fast, recite the Quranor enter a mosque during their period.
                50. Covering women with all sorts of outer garments.
                51. That it is forbidden for women to shake hands with men.
                52. That a man is not allowed to sit in a chair previously occupied by a woman whose warmth is still preserved.
                53. That a woman cannot stay in an enclosed space where there are men.
                54. That women are considered along with dogs and pigs to invalidate the salat of a praying man.
                55. That the majority of women are doomed to go to hell.
                56. That women are evil by nature.
                57. That women lack intelligence.
                58. That women must be keptindoors.
                59. That it is forbidden for women to wear perfume.
                60. That women are not allowed to use makeup.
                61. That a wife must obey her husband as a slave does.
                62. That a woman is required to have sexual relations whenever her husband calls her.
                63. That two female witnesses equal one male witness.
                64. That a woman must have her parents? permission in order to get married.
                65. Stoning to death of the adulterer.
                66. That the papyrus on which the verse regarding adultery was on was eaten by a goat.
                67. Arguments about killing adulterers being practiced even among monkeys.
                68. Prohibition of a man?s wearing golden ornaments.
                69. Prohibition of men wearing silk.
                70. Prohibition of use of golden and silver utensils and plates.
                71. Prohibition of sculpture.
                72. Prohibition of drawing and painting.
                73. Prohibition of chess.
                74. Prohibition of musical instruments and music.
                75. Prohibition of consumption of seafood like mussels, shrimp, etc.
                76. Prohibition of eating the flesh of donkeys, horses or wild animals
                77. The fact that kidneys and ram?s testicles are abominable to eat.
                78. The fact that smoking is religiously unlawful.
                79. That there is a separate list containing things considered to be abominable (makruh).
                80. That the sexual act must take place under covers.
                81. The prohibition for the couple to look at each other?s sexual organs.
                82. Prohibition of masturbation.
                83. Prohibition for women to use birth control.
                84. That an individual should keep his/her sexual organs covered even when taking a bath lest the angels be offended.
                85. Circumcision of men.
                86. Circumcision of women.
                87. The sunna of letting beards grow.
                88. The prohibition of trimming a beard.
                89. The sunna according to which the hair had to be parted from the middle of the scalp.
                90. The sunna regarding the oiling of hair.
                91. The sunna of applying henna to hair and beard.
                92. The sunna of applying mascara to the eyes for men.
                93. That lying face down is a satanic act.
                94. To sleep on a mattress spread on the ground.
                95. To use one?s right foot going out of the house or getting up from the bed.
                96. To enter a soiled place like a WC with the left foot.
                97. Saying that canonical purification of the body can only be performed using water after defecating.
                98. The obligation for men to crouch when urinating.
                99. The relieve yourself in the direction of Mecca.
                100. The fact that eating with the left hand is a satanic act.
                101. To wind a turban.
                102. To use miswak to clean the teeth.
                103. To wear a robe with a long skirt reaching down to one?s feet.
                104. For men to wear a loose dress (antari). .
                105. To wear shalwar (a type of wide trousers) as sunna.
                106. To interpret as a meritorious act the wearing of white, green or black raiment.
                107. The prohibition to wear yellow or red.
                108. To consider eating dates or squash as meritorious acts.
                109. To eat seated on the ground.
                110. To eat from the same dish with others.
                111. To eat with three fingers.
                112. To drink water in three gulps.
                113. To drink water in a seated position.
                114. To lick one?s fingers after having eaten with them.
                115. Not to use perfumes containing alcohol.
                116. Not to use eau de cologne.
                117. To kill black dogs.
                118. Not to let dogs into the home.
                119. To cover the mirrors at night.
                120. To perform black magic with or without the use of the Quran.
                121. To write on and wear amulets.
                122. To use the Quran as a book of magic.
                123. To believe that whistling is a satanic act.
                124. To knock on wood or wear trinkets against the evil eye.
                125. To take fortunetellers and magicians for religious figures.
                126. Feasts celebrated at the end of the holy month of Ramadan and on the occasion of sacrifices.
                127. To avoid passing underneath a ladder and to consider black cats, black dogs as ominous signs and to melt lead against the evil eye.
                128. To believe that there are special days on which linen can be washed and sexual intercourse can be performed.
                129. To recite the Mevlit (poem written to celebrate the birth and the death of the Prophet) for the souls of the departed.
                130. To hold ceremonies for the soul of the dead on the 7th, 40th and 52nd days after death.
                131. Stories concocted about the suffering that the dead is to be subjected to after burial.
                132. Rumors about the bridge of S?rat from this world to paradise, more slender than a hair and sharper than a sword and a person?s traversing it riding the animal he sacrificed in this world.
                133. The belief that a person who cannot avoid his urine from sprinkling on his clothes shall undergo excruciating torture in the grave.
                134. To fast in the place of a dead person.
                135. To go on Hajj in the place of a dead person.
                136. That tears shed after a death will cause his soul to suffer beyond endurance.
                137. To predict the hour of the Day of Judgment.
                138. The Muslim Messiah, Mahdi.
                139. The Antichrist.
                140. To say that Dabbe has the ears of an elephant, eyes of a hog and head of an ox.
                141. The Second Coming of Christ.
                142. The belief that Agog and Magog are Turks.
                143. Racism, superiority of the Arabic race.
                144. The belief that Agog and Magog are the homunculus.
                145. To set down prayer hours not indicated in the Quran.
                146. To proscribe a certain number of rakats as a binding duty.
                147. The requirement of performing the salat by reciting verses in the original Arabic language.
                148. Prohibition for women to conduct the congregational prayer.
                149. To have to repeat always the same thing during the kneeling and prostrating in the course of the performance of the salat.
                150. The obligation to recite the fatiha at every rakat.
                151. The obligation to sit and recite attahiyyat at the end of the salat.
                152. To make a long list of the particular requirements during the salat not mentioned in the Quran.
                153. To make a detailed description of the praying man with regard to his posture,such as how he will place his hands).
                154. That the compensation of a willfully broken fast is two months without interruption.
                155. Special salats like the taravih (the superfluous night service during the month of Ramadan performed immediately after the prescribed night service of worship, consisting of twenty genuflections with an interval for rest and breathing after each two or four acts), and the congregational prayers at the end of the month of fasting and at the festival of sacrifice.
                156. To put people in misery by restricting the period of Hajj to a short space of time.
                157. The stoning of Satan during the Hajj.
                158. To slaughter animals at the Festival of Sacrifice.
                159. To believe that certain restrictions start after the Hajj.
                160. Calling holy the water from the well zamzam, to pray over sugar or salt for luck.
                161. To give zakat (alms, charity) as 1/40 of one?s assets.
                162. To assign special rates for zakat for camels, sheep and agricultural products.
                163. The belief that one invalidates his ablution by certain acts other than nature?s call.
                164. The belief that total ablution (ghusl) is required not only after sexual intercourse but also by other causes.
                165. To make the order of acts during the performance of ablution strictly binding.
                166. To say that rinsing one?s mouth and blowing one?s nose during the major ablution is a binding duty.
                167. The requirement of washing one?s heels along with the feet.
                168. Details such as the obligation of pouring water three times each to the right and left of a person performing the total ablution.
                169. The requirement of total ablution before reciting the Quran.
                170. Saying that one sins when he/she goes about not having performed total ablution.
                171. The nullification of ablutions for a person who has a tooth filled.
                172. The nullification of ablutions for men/women having a tattoo.
                173. Martyrdom for those having died in an earthquake or a flood.
                174. Martyrdom of those having suffered stomach pains.
                175. That the earth is supported by an ox or a fish.
                176. The belief that earthquakes occur when the fish shakes its tail.
                177. The fact that the moon is unattainable.
                178. To define the setting of the sun as the loss of the sun as a guide for prostrating.
                179. The belief that the eclipses of the sun and the moon occur when they are drawn by carriages equipped with handles.
                180. Existence of angels in the form of bulls, lions and eagles.
                181. Accounts related to the 600 wings of Gabriel.
                182. God?s opening His calf in paradise.
                183. God?s touching the back of the Prophet.
                184. God?s coming down on earth on special days to shake the hands of His creatures.
                185. The bargaining between God and the Prophet for the reduction of the times of salat from 50 down to 5.
                186. Institution of the caliphate.
                187. The sultanate and the making the subjects into slaves of the political power.
                188. Classes of clergy.
                189. To sanctify the Arabic language and ascribe sanctity to the Arabic letters.
                190. To terrorize people with the countries outside the dominion of Islam (Dar-ul Harb).
                191. To loot and disregard the rights of people living outside the dominion of Islam.
                192. To beat or kill persons who refuse to perform salat.
                193. To compel people to fast and beat those who fail to do so.
                194. To beat women who have put on makeup and go around uncovered.
                195. To kill the renegades (of Islam to other religions).
                196. To flog the renegades (even those who convert from one sect to another).
                197. To make conquests merely for the sake of looting.
                198. To beat drunkards.
                199. To use force and compel people to abide by religious rules.
                200. To call Islam by the names of sects, etc.

                God bless

                peace

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                  diamantinehoneybunch
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                  hawk99,

                  Thanks
                  You are awesome )

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                    hawk99
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                    hawk99,

                    Thanks
                    You are awesome )

                    Thank you for the compliment, but all praise is to God.

                    God bless

                    peace

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                      Love that list of interpolations hawk99. Great find. Thanks for sharing. bravo

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                        in_awe
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                        Hawk99, do you mind if I copy that list and use it for debate ?

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                          hawk99
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                          Love that list of interpolations hawk99. Great find. Thanks for sharing. bravo

                          Thank you in_awe, Here is another reason to reject hadith

                          http//newsbcpcol.stb.s-msn.com/amnews/i/7f/2af65b104fa0e630586bcb8bb629/_h366_w650_m6_otrue_lfalse.jpg

                          Getty Images Farooq Naeem, AFP 1 day ago | By AFP

                          Pakistani human rights activists carry a coffin symbolising honour killing as they take part in a protest on International Women's Day in Islamabad on March 8, 2014.

                          Woman stoned to death

                          A three-months pregnant Pakistani woman was beaten to death with bricks by members of her own family Tuesday for marrying the man of her choice, police said.

                          Farzana Iqbal, 25, was attacked outside the Lahore High Court by more than two dozen people including her brother and father, senior investigator Rana Akhtar told AFP.

                          She had been due in court to defend her new husband against allegations, made by her family, that he had kidnapped her and forced her to marry him.

                          Some 28 to 30 people attacked her, Akhtar told AFP.

                          "The brother first opened fire with a gun but missed. She tried to run away but fell down," the investigator said.

                          "The relatives caught her and then beat her to death with bricks."

                          Mohammad Mushtaq, another police official, confirmed the incident in the eastern city. Mushtaq said police had opened an initial investigation following a complaint by Farzana's husband Iqbal, who also has another wife.

                          Farzana's lawyer Rao Mohammad Kharal told AFP "Farzana was here to tell the court that she married of her own choice."

                          Many Pakistani women have no say in who they marry and disobeying the wishes of relatives is believed to bring shame on the whole family.

                          Last year 869 women died in so-called "honour killings" according to the independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan.

                          "Such crimes persisted because of the impunity enjoyed by the killers," the commission said in a report, noting that Pakistan's blood-money laws allow kin to forgive perpetrators and that most killers were members of the victim's family.

                          God bless

                          peace

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                            Hawk99, do you mind if I copy that list and use it for debate ?

                            Peace in_awe,

                            No I do not mind at all, here's the link

                            http//islamic-research.org/things-not-contained-in-the-quran-list-of-interpolations/#.U4Y7uEvD_cs

                            God bless

                            peace

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                              Here is a good reason we should cancel the following verses. . .

                              And if two parties of believers battle with each other
                              you shall reconcile them
                              but if one of them aggresses against the other
                              then you shall fight the one aggressing
                              until it complies with God?s command
                              Once it complies
                              then you shall reconcile the two groups with justice
                              and be equitable
                              for God loves those who are equitable

                              The believers are brothers
                              so reconcile between your brothers
                              and be aware of God, that you may receive mercy

                              O you who believe, let not a people ridicule other people
                              for they may be better than they
                              Nor shall any women ridicule other women
                              for they may be better than they
                              Nor shall you mock one another, or
                              call each other names

                              Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith
                              And anyone who does not repent
                              then these are the transgressors

                              O you who believe, you shall avoid much suspicion, for some suspicion is sinful
                              And do not spy on one another, nor shall you backbite
                              Would any of you enjoy eating the flesh of his dead brother?
                              You certainly would hate this
                              You shall observe God. God is Redeemer, Merciful

                              O mankind, We created you from a male and female
                              and We made you into nations and tribes
                              that you may know one another
                              Surely, the most honorable among you in the sight of God is the most righteous
                              God is Knowledgeable, Expert
                              (49.9-13)

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                                A three-months pregnant Pakistani woman was beaten to death with bricks by members of her own family Tuesday for marrying the man of her choice, police said.

                                Truly horrible... Looks like they don't even realize that what they did (killing their own family member in brutal way for such unjust reason) is very vile.

                                Farzana Iqbal, 25, was attacked outside the Lahore High Court by more than two dozen people including her brother and father, senior investigator Rana Akhtar told AFP.

                                She had been due in court to defend her new husband against allegations, made by her family, that he had kidnapped her and forced her to marry him.

                                Some 28 to 30 people attacked her, Akhtar told AFP.

                                "The brother first opened fire with a gun but missed. She tried to run away but fell down," the investigator said.

                                "The relatives caught her and then beat her to death with bricks."

                                Perhaps doing sins is not very much problem for hadith believers, because...

                                there are quite many helpful tips from hadiths to easily erase their sins or get easy way to enter paradise...

                                Hadhrat Jaa'bir narrated that Rasulallah(Peace be upon him) said ?For the person who recites SUB-HAN'ALLAH HIL AZEEM WA BI-HAM'DIHI, , - A date palm will be planted for him in Paradise? (Tirmidhi)

                                Narrated Abu Huraira Allah?s Apostle said, ?Whoever says, ?Subhan Allaahi Wa bihamdihi, {Allah is free from imperfection and His is the praise}. One hundred times a day, will be forgiven all his sins even if they were as much as the foam of the sea. (Bukhari)

                                ?(The performance of) ?Umra is an expiation for the sins committed (between it and the previous one). And the reward of Hajj Mabrur (the one accepted by All?h) is nothing except Paradise.?

                                ?When the Im?m says ?Aam?n?, then you should all say ?Aam?n?, for the angels say ?m?n? at that time, and he whose ?m?n? coincides with the ?m?n? of the angels, all his past sins will be forgiven.?

                                If a person says "Subhanallah" (glory be to Allah) 100 times, a thousand good deeds are recorded for him and a thousand bad deeds are wiped away. (Muslim)

                                Hadrat Zaid bin ?Arqam (Allah be pleased with him) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said ?Whoever says Laa ilaaha illal-laah?sincerely will enter the Paradise.?

                                Anas ( RA) reported the Prophet (Peace be upon him) as saying, ?If anyone recites two hundred times daily, Qul huwallahu ahad the sins of fifty years will be wiped out, unless he is in debt.? (At-Tirmidhi and Darami).

                                The Prophet -- Allah bless and greet him -- said "Whoever witnesses that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Messenger, Allah forbids the Fire from touching him."

                                and there are still many more...


                                Hadiths are very deceiving, and they're spreading too many.

                                Peace.

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                                  I do not honestly think that those murderers did their coward deed out of fear of God or of remembering Him sincerely. They did what they did not because they think God allows it but because they think they can put up a social pretence of being correct with "religion", threfore making themselves inmune in front of the world. And in fact for many centuries societies have condoned everywhere crimes against women based on those social permisitivity concerning the killing and illtreatmen of women. They know they are acting wrong no matter hdith here or there. Theyknow it, but they also know that they will not be brought to account in this world and also I am sure that it is not so much a matter of honour ("honour" being another screen for meaner things) as may be a matter of family money, how much there is, who keeps it, etc. Most honour crimes are just the hiding trick of other quite common crimes.

                                  I have known of many hadith believers who just would not conceive of perpetrating such crimes. It takes more guts (bad ones) than just believing in hadith.

                                  They are murderers and should be hanged just like murderers, not given that ridiculous cover.

                                  At any rate I am not sure as to how uncorrupted justice in Pakistan is, and where the actual administration of justice is a mere dream, anything can be expected. No matter how many laws there are and how good there are, they will be ineffectual.

                                  Salaam

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                                    Peace,

                                    Some people want to bring us to the stone age. The concept of religion causes so many people astray and seemingly and outwardly smart people turn into neanderthal beings not questioning anything. It does not matter if hadith goes against what God stands for because they stubbornly wish to follow what they found their idols delusively doing. God is the One providing guidance they forget and the only way to get that is to start melding with The Master. Become one with nature some say and that principle is almost true. But it is the spirit of God to become one with, get into the balance. God is the best teacher to what there is to know. And they have the brief decree of all few rules there is to know which one can almost count on their fingers although the intelligent and good will know it without even looking into some book called "Qur'an". It is not like it take any rocket science to understand the principles in life such as not to commit murder, not be arrogant, not steal, not oppress etc.

                                    God bless you

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                                      These things are like when the "witches" were burned at the stake, or drowned... same thing. Has nothing to do with religion or hadith. Some individuals will use religion, which includes hadith, to commit evil deed, because all they need is an excuse to do it. Perhaps they think they can fool God, or perhaps they don't REALLY believe in God at all. Hypocrites and retarded sheep. Actually, people blindly obey culture and subcultures, out of a mix of ignorance, brain washing (culture) and fear (to deviate from the herd). People are terrified to deviate from the norms of the herd and lose it's approval. To be expelled by the herd is worse than death (as the mind sees it). To secure the approval=protection by the herd is in our DNA, but it is our fear and blindness to God's light and truth that shuts down our human selves and let's the primitive animal side of us rule unchecked. This is why we are described as being like animals... no worse than animals. We are worse than animals when we behave like animals because of our true nature. We are not animals, but when we act like animals, we become worse than that.

                                      Man was created in the best of molds, but became the lowliest of creatures. brickwall

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                                        Some individuals will use religion, which includes hadith, to commit evil deed, because all they need is an excuse to do it.

                                        Peace,

                                        Some people want to bring us to the stone age. The concept of religion causes so many people astray and seemingly and outwardly smart people turn into neanderthal beings not questioning anything. It does not matter if hadith goes against what God stands for because they stubbornly wish to follow what they found their idols delusively doing.

                                        I agree with the two comments above.

                                        Indeed it does have something to do with hadith because hadith further encouraged the subjugation of women by
                                        omission, it being part of the mindset of evil people who by denigration, maintained and instilled the negative cultural
                                        mindset about women when in fact the Quran was a liberator of women, therefore those who adhere to such outside
                                        negative jurisprudence including negative hadith about women, created an atmosphere of tolerance for such entrenched
                                        cultural evils.

                                        Men and women are equals

                                        The submitting men, the submitting women, the believing men, the believing women, the obedient men,
                                        the obedient women, the truthful men, the truthful women, the steadfast men, the steadfast women, the reverent
                                        men, the reverent women, the charitable men, the charitable women, the fasting men, the fasting women, the
                                        chaste men, the chaste women, and the men who commemorate GOD frequently, and the commemorating women;
                                        GOD has prepared for them forgiveness and a great recompense.

                                        God bless

                                        peace

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                                          Article from Islamic Research

                                          Things NOT Contained In The Quran List of Interpolations

                                          1. Saying that the Quran is not self-sufficient and that there is need for additional speculations.
                                          2. Taking the hadiths as a source for Islam.
                                          3. Sectarian scholars pronouncing fatwas or ijtihads (canonical jurisprudence).
                                          4. Practices conforming to sectarian dictates.
                                          5. Equating sects with the religion.
                                          6. Reciting the Quran for the sake of its music without understanding the text.
                                          7. Using the Quran as a book of prayer recited for the souls of the departed.
                                          8. Contributing authority to the Prophet outside the scope of the Quran.
                                          9. The fact that God created everything for the sake of Muhammad.
                                          10. Competition between prophets. Supremacy of some prophets over other prophets.
                                          11. Imitation of the ways and manners of the Prophet even before his prophethood.
                                          12. The belief that the Quran has missing points which can be found in other books.
                                          13. To announce certain select devotees to be Muslim saints and visit their tombs with all sorts of reverential rituals.
                                          14. To idolize the sheikhs of religious orders.
                                          15. Establishing a type of communication with the sheikhs by a special ritual called rab?ta.
                                          16. To claim that only the Sunnites or the Shiites are to go to paradise.
                                          17. To declare the Jews and Christians as the future dwellers of hell.
                                          18. To adopt Arabic customs and traditions as religious practices.
                                          19. To come forth alleging to be reformist with a view to changing the Quranic religion.
                                          20. To formulate religious precepts ascribing them to the Prophet.
                                          21. To claim that the vote of the majority always prevails.
                                          22. To interpret the continuity of sects as evidence of their genuineness.
                                          23. The Hanafi sect.
                                          24. The Shafi sect.
                                          25. The Hanbali sect.
                                          26. The Maliki sect.
                                          27. The Jafari sect.
                                          28. All Sunni and Shii sects.
                                          29. Any sect like Maturidiya, Ashariya.
                                          30. A canon book called Majalla.
                                          31. To deny reason and favor apishness.
                                          32. Hostility against science.
                                          33. Hostility against the arts.
                                          34. To abide by the rules that the book entitled Sahihi Bukhari lays down.
                                          35. To abide by the rules of the hadith book entitled Muslim
                                          36. To abide by the rules of the hadith books Kutub-i Sitte or other such books.
                                          37. To venerate individuals to whom religiosity is ascribed other than the Prophet.
                                          38. The allegation that all of those who had the privilege to set eyes on the Prophet (sahaba) were on the right path.
                                          39. The wearing of the headscarf.
                                          40. The wearing of the veil.
                                          41. Segregation of men and women.
                                          42. The fact that a woman is not allowed to travel alone.
                                          43. The wrong and absurd belief that a woman can never repay the debts she owes to her husband even if she were to lick him from head to foot when he is in a deplorable state covered with pus.
                                          44. ?If prostration was permitted to any entity other that God, the wife should prostrate herself before her husband? claimed the hadith.
                                          45. That a woman cannot become a head of state or an administrator.
                                          46. That women have no right to vote for the governing body of the government.
                                          47. That women?s voices must not be audible to men.
                                          48. That women are not allowed to perform the Friday salat.
                                          49. That women is not allowed to perform salat, fast, recite the Quranor enter a mosque during their period.
                                          50. Covering women with all sorts of outer garments.
                                          51. That it is forbidden for women to shake hands with men.
                                          52. That a man is not allowed to sit in a chair previously occupied by a woman whose warmth is still preserved.
                                          53. That a woman cannot stay in an enclosed space where there are men.
                                          54. That women are considered along with dogs and pigs to invalidate the salat of a praying man.
                                          55. That the majority of women are doomed to go to hell.
                                          56. That women are evil by nature.
                                          57. That women lack intelligence.
                                          58. That women must be keptindoors.
                                          59. That it is forbidden for women to wear perfume.
                                          60. That women are not allowed to use makeup.
                                          61. That a wife must obey her husband as a slave does.
                                          62. That a woman is required to have sexual relations whenever her husband calls her.
                                          63. That two female witnesses equal one male witness.
                                          64. That a woman must have her parents? permission in order to get married.
                                          65. Stoning to death of the adulterer.
                                          66. That the papyrus on which the verse regarding adultery was on was eaten by a goat.
                                          67. Arguments about killing adulterers being practiced even among monkeys.
                                          68. Prohibition of a man?s wearing golden ornaments.
                                          69. Prohibition of men wearing silk.
                                          70. Prohibition of use of golden and silver utensils and plates.
                                          71. Prohibition of sculpture.
                                          72. Prohibition of drawing and painting.
                                          73. Prohibition of chess.
                                          74. Prohibition of musical instruments and music.
                                          75. Prohibition of consumption of seafood like mussels, shrimp, etc.
                                          76. Prohibition of eating the flesh of donkeys, horses or wild animals
                                          77. The fact that kidneys and ram?s testicles are abominable to eat.
                                          78. The fact that smoking is religiously unlawful.
                                          79. That there is a separate list containing things considered to be abominable (makruh).
                                          80. That the sexual act must take place under covers.
                                          81. The prohibition for the couple to look at each other?s sexual organs.
                                          82. Prohibition of masturbation.
                                          83. Prohibition for women to use birth control.
                                          84. That an individual should keep his/her sexual organs covered even when taking a bath lest the angels be offended.
                                          85. Circumcision of men.
                                          86. Circumcision of women.
                                          87. The sunna of letting beards grow.
                                          88. The prohibition of trimming a beard.
                                          89. The sunna according to which the hair had to be parted from the middle of the scalp.
                                          90. The sunna regarding the oiling of hair.
                                          91. The sunna of applying henna to hair and beard.
                                          92. The sunna of applying mascara to the eyes for men.
                                          93. That lying face down is a satanic act.
                                          94. To sleep on a mattress spread on the ground.
                                          95. To use one?s right foot going out of the house or getting up from the bed.
                                          96. To enter a soiled place like a WC with the left foot.
                                          97. Saying that canonical purification of the body can only be performed using water after defecating.
                                          98. The obligation for men to crouch when urinating.
                                          99. The relieve yourself in the direction of Mecca.
                                          100. The fact that eating with the left hand is a satanic act.
                                          101. To wind a turban.
                                          102. To use miswak to clean the teeth.
                                          103. To wear a robe with a long skirt reaching down to one?s feet.
                                          104. For men to wear a loose dress (antari). .
                                          105. To wear shalwar (a type of wide trousers) as sunna.
                                          106. To interpret as a meritorious act the wearing of white, green or black raiment.
                                          107. The prohibition to wear yellow or red.
                                          108. To consider eating dates or squash as meritorious acts.
                                          109. To eat seated on the ground.
                                          110. To eat from the same dish with others.
                                          111. To eat with three fingers.
                                          112. To drink water in three gulps.
                                          113. To drink water in a seated position.
                                          114. To lick one?s fingers after having eaten with them.
                                          115. Not to use perfumes containing alcohol.
                                          116. Not to use eau de cologne.
                                          117. To kill black dogs.
                                          118. Not to let dogs into the home.
                                          119. To cover the mirrors at night.
                                          120. To perform black magic with or without the use of the Quran.
                                          121. To write on and wear amulets.
                                          122. To use the Quran as a book of magic.
                                          123. To believe that whistling is a satanic act.
                                          124. To knock on wood or wear trinkets against the evil eye.
                                          125. To take fortunetellers and magicians for religious figures.
                                          126. Feasts celebrated at the end of the holy month of Ramadan and on the occasion of sacrifices.
                                          127. To avoid passing underneath a ladder and to consider black cats, black dogs as ominous signs and to melt lead against the evil eye.
                                          128. To believe that there are special days on which linen can be washed and sexual intercourse can be performed.
                                          129. To recite the Mevlit (poem written to celebrate the birth and the death of the Prophet) for the souls of the departed.
                                          130. To hold ceremonies for the soul of the dead on the 7th, 40th and 52nd days after death.
                                          131. Stories concocted about the suffering that the dead is to be subjected to after burial.
                                          132. Rumors about the bridge of S?rat from this world to paradise, more slender than a hair and sharper than a sword and a person?s traversing it riding the animal he sacrificed in this world.
                                          133. The belief that a person who cannot avoid his urine from sprinkling on his clothes shall undergo excruciating torture in the grave.
                                          134. To fast in the place of a dead person.
                                          135. To go on Hajj in the place of a dead person.
                                          136. That tears shed after a death will cause his soul to suffer beyond endurance.
                                          137. To predict the hour of the Day of Judgment.
                                          138. The Muslim Messiah, Mahdi.
                                          139. The Antichrist.
                                          140. To say that Dabbe has the ears of an elephant, eyes of a hog and head of an ox.
                                          141. The Second Coming of Christ.
                                          142. The belief that Agog and Magog are Turks.
                                          143. Racism, superiority of the Arabic race.
                                          144. The belief that Agog and Magog are the homunculus.
                                          145. To set down prayer hours not indicated in the Quran.
                                          146. To proscribe a certain number of rakats as a binding duty.
                                          147. The requirement of performing the salat by reciting verses in the original Arabic language.
                                          148. Prohibition for women to conduct the congregational prayer.
                                          149. To have to repeat always the same thing during the kneeling and prostrating in the course of the performance of the salat.
                                          150. The obligation to recite the fatiha at every rakat.
                                          151. The obligation to sit and recite attahiyyat at the end of the salat.
                                          152. To make a long list of the particular requirements during the salat not mentioned in the Quran.
                                          153. To make a detailed description of the praying man with regard to his posture,such as how he will place his hands).
                                          154. That the compensation of a willfully broken fast is two months without interruption.
                                          155. Special salats like the taravih (the superfluous night service during the month of Ramadan performed immediately after the prescribed night service of worship, consisting of twenty genuflections with an interval for rest and breathing after each two or four acts), and the congregational prayers at the end of the month of fasting and at the festival of sacrifice.
                                          156. To put people in misery by restricting the period of Hajj to a short space of time.
                                          157. The stoning of Satan during the Hajj.
                                          158. To slaughter animals at the Festival of Sacrifice.
                                          159. To believe that certain restrictions start after the Hajj.
                                          160. Calling holy the water from the well zamzam, to pray over sugar or salt for luck.
                                          161. To give zakat (alms, charity) as 1/40 of one?s assets.
                                          162. To assign special rates for zakat for camels, sheep and agricultural products.
                                          163. The belief that one invalidates his ablution by certain acts other than nature?s call.
                                          164. The belief that total ablution (ghusl) is required not only after sexual intercourse but also by other causes.
                                          165. To make the order of acts during the performance of ablution strictly binding.
                                          166. To say that rinsing one?s mouth and blowing one?s nose during the major ablution is a binding duty.
                                          167. The requirement of washing one?s heels along with the feet.
                                          168. Details such as the obligation of pouring water three times each to the right and left of a person performing the total ablution.
                                          169. The requirement of total ablution before reciting the Quran.
                                          170. Saying that one sins when he/she goes about not having performed total ablution.
                                          171. The nullification of ablutions for a person who has a tooth filled.
                                          172. The nullification of ablutions for men/women having a tattoo.
                                          173. Martyrdom for those having died in an earthquake or a flood.
                                          174. Martyrdom of those having suffered stomach pains.
                                          175. That the earth is supported by an ox or a fish.
                                          176. The belief that earthquakes occur when the fish shakes its tail.
                                          177. The fact that the moon is unattainable.
                                          178. To define the setting of the sun as the loss of the sun as a guide for prostrating.
                                          179. The belief that the eclipses of the sun and the moon occur when they are drawn by carriages equipped with handles.
                                          180. Existence of angels in the form of bulls, lions and eagles.
                                          181. Accounts related to the 600 wings of Gabriel.
                                          182. God?s opening His calf in paradise.
                                          183. God?s touching the back of the Prophet.
                                          184. God?s coming down on earth on special days to shake the hands of His creatures.
                                          185. The bargaining between God and the Prophet for the reduction of the times of salat from 50 down to 5.
                                          186. Institution of the caliphate.
                                          187. The sultanate and the making the subjects into slaves of the political power.
                                          188. Classes of clergy.
                                          189. To sanctify the Arabic language and ascribe sanctity to the Arabic letters.
                                          190. To terrorize people with the countries outside the dominion of Islam (Dar-ul Harb).
                                          191. To loot and disregard the rights of people living outside the dominion of Islam.
                                          192. To beat or kill persons who refuse to perform salat.
                                          193. To compel people to fast and beat those who fail to do so.
                                          194. To beat women who have put on makeup and go around uncovered.
                                          195. To kill the renegades (of Islam to other religions).
                                          196. To flog the renegades (even those who convert from one sect to another).
                                          197. To make conquests merely for the sake of looting.
                                          198. To beat drunkards.
                                          199. To use force and compel people to abide by religious rules.
                                          200. To call Islam by the names of sects, etc.

                                          God bless

                                          peace

                                          Is there somewhere I can get this from a link?

                                          peace

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