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Ambition and the Quran

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    Existential1
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    Our mission is to feel "grateful" to our life/deen (Allah) . . .

    The more we feel grateful to our life/deen (Allah), the more successful we will be, now and hereafter . . .

    And when your Lord proclaimed,
    'If you are grateful, I will surely increase you
    but if you deny, indeed, My punishment is severe.' "
    14.7

    I feel like these things are mutually reinforcing. Being grateful increases effort in the struggle from positivity.

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      muslims
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      I feel like these things are mutually reinforcing. Being grateful increases effort in the struggle from positivity.

      This is knowledge

      This is our mission

      This is our state of mind

      This is control

      This is the formula

      This is the mechanism

      This is success

      This is our end

      Avoid this, at all costs!

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        JavaLatte
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        Poor people cannot give sadaqah, they live and burden other people

        Red It's not always like that.

        I think there are still poor people who also give charity.

        Even they're poor, they're still willing to share what they have to other. MashaAllah.

        Blue No! They're not burden. They're people who need our help. We can improve ourselves by doing goodness for them.

        Beside, I think there are poor people who can live independent even though they're poor. They live accepting what they earn and can be grateful without much complaining.

        I believe that poverty is not always caused by stupidity and/or laziness.

        And hasten to forgiveness from your Lord and Jannat - its width (is like) the heavens and the Earth; it has been prepared for the righteous. Those who spend in prosperity and adversity, and who restrain anger, and who pardon the people; and God loves the good doers.

        Those who criticize the ones who give willingly among the believers concerning the charities, and they ridicule those who not find except (within limit according to) their effort. God will ridicule them, and they will have a painful retribution.

        Peace.

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          Existential1
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          No! They're not burden. They're people who need our help. We can improve ourselves by doing goodness for them.

          I believe that poverty is not always caused by stupidity and/or laziness.

          Seconded. I serve people in poverty in my current job and there are so many different ways people wind up there. How you treat the least among you is the test of an individual and society.

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            JavaLatte
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            Seconded. I serve people in poverty in my current job and there are so many different ways people wind up there. How you treat the least among you is the test of an individual and society.

            Thank you.

            You have an amazing job. May Allah always help you in doing goodness.

            Peace.

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              muslims
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              Red It's not always like that.

              I think there are still poor people who also give charity.

              Even they're poor, they're still willing to share what they have to other. MashaAllah.

              Please compare to the "scale of discussion" I'm talking about , and context of this thread "Ambition and the Quran" . .

              Only rich people can benefit the "society" and "humanity" . . and bring balance through their influence

              God commands justice
              creating balance in the society <- think about the scale of success Allah is addressing to
              benefiting humanity
              kindness to His creation
              and giving to relatives
              (16.90)

              Therefore, I believe the True Believers should be very ambitious, rich and influential person

              and

              Indeed, within the heavens and earth are signs for the believers <- scientific knowledge etc
              And in the creation of yourselves
              and what He disperses of moving creatures
              are signs for people who are certain
              And the alternation of night and day
              and what Allah sends down from the sky of provision
              and gives life thereby to the earth after its lifelessness and directing of the winds
              are signs for a people who reason
              These are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth
              Then in what statement after Allah and His verses will they believe?
              453-6

              Those who are stupid, lazy, lack of reasoning skills or not well educated cannot understand the above signs

              It is futile because they do not know how to benefit from the signs, and thus do not know how to be grateful to Allah ( &#1614

              Go ask many of those who have wasted their sense perception, what do they understand about the above sign ?

              Can they benefit from that signs and use it to solve their life problem , use to to comply with other commands in the Quran ?

              Or they just live on the benefit from the Government (their parents), without any contribution to the society ?

              How they want to bring balance in the society ?

              Do you expect to bring "balance" through riots and wars , like today Muslim Ummah ?

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                JavaLatte
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                Only rich people can benefit the "society" and "humanity" . . and bring balance through their influence

                Only righteous people who can benefit the society and humanity, regardless whether they are poor, middle income, or rich.

                Peace.

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                  muslims
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                  Only righteous people who can benefit the society and humanity, regardless whether they are poor, middle income, or rich.

                  Peace.

                  Righteous people is right, but not accurate in today's world. . . the poor and and middle income righteous people cannot benefit humanity, unless through oppression, riots, wars etc, or at least, their action will jeopardize the life of many people and bankrupted their country. . . therefore, it is your dream and illusion, please bring back the discussion to reality. . taken into account the complex social and financial system in today's world etc.

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                    JavaLatte
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                    Righteous people is right, but not accurate in today's world. . . the poor and and middle income righteous man cannot benefit humanity, unless through oppression, riots, wars etc, or at least, their action will jeopardize the life of many people. . .

                    I perceive the above post as your understanding,

                    and I try to respect your view in this regard, inshaAllah.

                    Peace.

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                      muslims
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                      I perceive the above post as your understanding,

                      Please tell me, how do you change the monetary system ?

                      The fractional reserve banking , and solve the poverty problem in this world ?

                      Can righteousness alone achieve this , and without jeopardizing life of many people etc ?

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                        JavaLatte
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                        Please tell me, how do you change the monetary system ?

                        The factional reserve banking , and solve the poverty problem in this world ?

                        Can righteousness alone achieve this , and without jeopardizing life of many people etc ?

                        Please tell me how the unrighteous of rich people can benefit the society and humanity?

                        Peace.

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                          muslims
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                          Please tell me how the unrighteous of rich people can benefit the society and humanity?

                          Who are saying about "unrighteous of rich people " ?

                          True Believers are those who are excel in major aspect of life and according to the injunction of Allah, only they are the True Believers. . .

                          and . . you have answered none of the issues I have raised in here, but instead are playing with words and remain dogmatic in your "dreams/nightmares way of living" (your deen). . . have you used your sense of perception ?

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                            Man_of_Faith
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                            Peace,

                            So one who is poor cannot be a "true" person with faith?

                            And I thought iman was not bound to earthly possessions. How about someone who has just a small share to give, had much wisdom to share and who died on the battlefield against people who oppose God after contributing much and did an unselfish strategic move which saved several people, but died doing that. Does this person not have any true iman?

                            Or the poor man that gives up his possessions completely and goes out to help people instead. Is he without iman?

                            Is not iman to have iman in The Master and do everything he can in the cause of God?

                            Does it all come down to wealth in the end. So superficial.

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                              muslims
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                              Peace,

                              So one who is poor cannot be a "true" person with faith?

                              And I thought iman was not bound to earthly possessions. How about someone who has just a small share to give, had much wisdom to share and who died on the battlefield against people who oppose God after contributing much and did an unselfish strategic move which saved several people, but died doing that. Does this person not have any true iman?

                              Or the poor man that gives up his possessions completely and goes out to help people instead. Is he without iman?

                              Is not iman to have iman in The Master and do everything he can in the cause of God?

                              Does it all come down to wealth in the end. So superficial.

                              We are discussing about "Ambition and the Quran", the scale of success and True Believers in the Quran . . .

                              Ambition + Quran + True Believers (sense perception)

                              and . . according to the context of today's life

                              where there are law and order, and complex system of life . . . .

                              not from the context of life during the stone age. . . .

                              or the context of those who have abused their sense perception and the reality

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                                JavaLatte
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                                Who are saying about "unrighteous of rich people " ?

                                Only rich people can benefit the "society" and "humanity" . . and bring balance through their influence

                                Rich people They may be righteous or unrighteous.

                                Perhaps you should not put that word "only" to avoid misunderstanding. Just a friendly suggestion.

                                My personal understanding is every righteous people can benefit the society and humanity, regardless whether they are poor, middle income, or rich.

                                InshaAllah, each of them can do good, bring positive influences for society and humanity, whether little or much, according to their respective capabilities.

                                That's what I want to say here.

                                and . . you have answered none of the issues I have raised in here,

                                Yes, forgive me... I have limitation in knowledge.

                                I'm not that smart to answer such questions...

                                I suggest to ask such questions to the righteous and rich people who are smarter than me, more qualified than me, perhaps you can find some useful answers from them.

                                Or... if you're also rich, smart and righteous, perhaps you already know the answer for your questions...

                                and perhaps you can share it to me?

                                Thank you.

                                Peace.

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                                  muslims
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                                  Rich people They may be righteous or unrighteous.

                                  Perhaps you should not put that word "only" to avoid misunderstanding. Just a friendly suggestion.

                                  The Quran used the word "ONLY" when referring to the True Believers, and these people are those who can maximize their "sense perception" and align it with reality , who can use their life and everything around them (signs) wisely and with wisdom . . . not like those who are deaf, dumb and blind, they are like livestock, or worst. People need to feed and provide everything for them; ie. the government. .

                                  . . .

                                  My personal understanding is every righteous people can benefit the society and humanity, regardless whether they are poor, middle income, or rich.

                                  InshaAllah, each of them can do good, bring positive influences for society and humanity, whether little or much, according to their respective capabilities.

                                  Therefore, we don't need "ambition" to become poor or middle income people. . . it is off-topic, ie. this thread.

                                  but I'd like some wisdom specifically on ambition.

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                                    JavaLatte
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                                    . . . it is off-topic, ie. this thread.

                                    To everyone forgive me for off topic.

                                    That's because I need to say something when you post this

                                    Poor people cannot give sadaqah, they live and burden other people

                                    I hope that you can understand my disagreement with above statement.

                                    Peace.

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                                      muslims
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                                      That's because I need to say something when you post this

                                      No problem and understood. . exchange of opinions.

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                                        JavaLatte
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                                        No problem and understood. . exchange of opinions.

                                        peace

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                                          muslims
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                                          I believe this is the Muslim Ummah , in general . . . and who are living in an illusion and the "Mutasyaabihat Context of Life"

                                          http//i61.tinypic.com/2ic2vlg.gif

                                          They are the Arab's descendants. . .

                                          The Malay Arabs, Indonesian Arabs, Chinese Arabs, Indian Arabs, Europe Arabs, everywhere. . .

                                          and they have no ambition , no reasoning etc. . . they are the idolaters, of their ulema

                                          and they are becoming a burden to their country, and other countries.

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