Muslim women allowed to marry non-Muslim men?
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It seems absurd to put forth 5.5 to question a different rule for muslim women, because such as the aya runs, then in fact muslim women could not marry at all anybody, because where the men "are allowed" to marry women of the book they are also "allowed" to marry women believers, so , in turn, women should not be allowed to marry believing men. It is so absurd it cries out. In fact what the aya is saying is that IF men marry women believers of from the people of the book they must abide by the rules set for them, that is, pay them their retribution and not with secret dealings and all that. According to those who use this aya to impose restrictions on believing women then men would also be allowed not to pay their retribution totheir believing wives and would be allowed to seeks them unchastely. Typical obssession with male's special relationships with God.
As to what is considered to be believers in the Qur'an, I think there may be many attributions in the Qur'an not just a definition. But it is a good start with the first aya of al Baqara. At any rate I doubt that its description would be burocratic but rather a matter of the conscience and heart. No paper official paper would define a believer. So, I think that ultimately it would all revolve around the one who wants to marry's own inner belief as to the attitude if his or her pretended. Who can better know if a person believes or not than those who know her or him more closely? Unless we think the Qur'an is giving burocratic rules, which I do not think is so. The appreciation and the decision falls on the marrying person and of course, since people in love tend to be a little or much blind, sincere advice would not be out of place, but particularly, uder any circumstances, sufficient guarantees that prove the contractors good faith.
Salaam
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Peace,
People have little knowledge of what they are saying.
For all I know it is discouraged and told against taking associators (mushriks) to be spouses because they invite to Hell as they have hearkened to the whispers of Shaytaan in just following other things than God decreed for the people of faith. They are possible opponents (kafiroon) in words and action because of their biased understanding of God's decree and they uphold things never authorized by God so they will make life hard for someone with faith.
I have a living example of that with my wife as she turned into a hardcore mushrik because she had faith in her Shia clerics and myths about legendary imams that were righteous and to follow the conjecture that circulate around them.
God bless you
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Here are the verse about interfaith marriage (using Yusuf Ali translation)
Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But God beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind That they may celebrate His praise. 2221
It does say that you should not marry associators (mushriks), unless they show faith. And they are not mushriks if they show faith because then they know God is the guide and not his missionaries and prophets. And faith we know what it means right?
God bless you
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Peace,
People have little knowledge of what they are saying.
For all I know it is discouraged and told against taking associators (mushriks) to be spouses because they invite to Hell as they have hearkened to the whispers of Shaytaan in just following other things than God decreed for the people of faith. They are possible opponents (kafiroon) in words and action because of their biased understanding of God's decree and they uphold things never authorized by God so they will make life hard for someone with faith.
I have a living example of that with my wife as she turned into a hardcore mushrik because she had faith in her Shia clerics and myths about legendary imams that were righteous and to follow the conjecture that circulate around them.
God bless you
I'm not surprised about your experience, some 'Muslims' can be mushriks by falling into wrong path of faith. In my experience, I know some men who called themselves 'Muslims', does not follow the guidelines from the Qu'ran by treating their wives like slaves and living in mendacity.
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Exactly, then they have not harmonized themselves with God.
God bless you
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I think it is important to take the quranic statements as guidelines for each individual, to follow a per his or her own decision. The reason for this is that we cannot really know about someone else what they really are, believer, unbeliever, mushrik, hypocrite. Actually, often we don't even know ourselves. Everyone, regardless of faith, believes they are guided and on the right track, even atheists.
The stupidity enters when people judge each other as this or that and then institute laws about who can or cannot marry whom. These societal laws about who is allowed to marry whom is just a way of the authority to boss around other people and shove their own rulings, culture, traditions, prejudice and ego down the throat of the general public.
If we are wise we should ponder what kind of person (what kind of mentality and outlook) it would be sensible to marry. We should look in the right direction and not be fooled by carnal temptations that will end up in nothing. By in the end... often times, birds of a feather flock together, or else there will be misery/friction /divorce.
Peace
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Peace Zulf,
Not to try to act arrogantly, but you can know if someone is a mushrik or perform shirk. However that does not give someone the right to simply curse them and become aggressive against them. Simple dialog and friendly discussion is okay and put forth your arguments, but there is no compulsion to heed them. And to try to force your views upon someone with violence or threats of vioence causes just about anyone to be an opponent (kafir) of God.
It is people that aggress and oppress others that should be fought and nobody else. To follow or not follow God is voluntary, but you should not become someone who corrupts, extorts or oppress.
And there are no Christians, Jews, Muslims etc " religions" but just groups of different people with their ways and they will be judged as individuals and not of being Muslims or whatever they call themselves. Group belonging does not matter but only that the person to marry is not following strange teachings and other weirdness.
God bless you
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Peace Zulf,
Not to try to act arrogantly, but you can know if someone is a mushrik or perform shirk. However that does not give someone the right to simply curse them and become aggressive against them. Simple dialog and friendly discussion is okay and put forth your arguments, but there is no compulsion to heed them. And to try to force your views upon someone with violence or threats of vioence causes just about anyone to be an opponent (kafir) of God.
It is people that aggress and oppress others that should be fought and nobody else. To follow or not follow God is voluntary, but you should not become someone who corrupts, extorts or oppress.
And there are no Christians, Jews, Muslims etc " religions" but just groups of different people with their ways and they will be judged as individuals and not of being Muslims or whatever they call themselves. Group belonging does not matter but only that the person to marry is not following strange teachings and other weirdness.
God bless you
Exactly.
Peace
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If i ever get to mary i rather mary a non believer than a sunni, who approves killing of women who cheat and killing people who left the sunnism.
You clearly have no idea what sunnism is. Thing you are talking about is wahhabism/salafism and not sunni islam.
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If i ever get to mary i rather mary a non believer than a sunni, who approves killing of women who cheat and killing people who left the sunnism.
Peace,
Quote, i rather mary a non believer than a sunni nope
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idolators are not permitted for believers to marry. 2/221
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Many sunni do not subscribe to " killing of women who cheat and killing people who left the sunnism"
in the U.S.
God bless
peace
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Lol no im single i was refering to leaving the sunnism i would be facing death penalty. I gave stoning as an example of cruelty its always women involved probably by gossip i can t imagine a woman who is shitting her pants of fear to dare to practice such an act under sharia law but that just my view