Muslim women allowed to marry non-Muslim men?
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I think it is important to take the quranic statements as guidelines for each individual, to follow a per his or her own decision. The reason for this is that we cannot really know about someone else what they really are, believer, unbeliever, mushrik, hypocrite. Actually, often we don't even know ourselves. Everyone, regardless of faith, believes they are guided and on the right track, even atheists.
The stupidity enters when people judge each other as this or that and then institute laws about who can or cannot marry whom. These societal laws about who is allowed to marry whom is just a way of the authority to boss around other people and shove their own rulings, culture, traditions, prejudice and ego down the throat of the general public.
If we are wise we should ponder what kind of person (what kind of mentality and outlook) it would be sensible to marry. We should look in the right direction and not be fooled by carnal temptations that will end up in nothing. By in the end... often times, birds of a feather flock together, or else there will be misery/friction /divorce.
Peace
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Peace Zulf,
Not to try to act arrogantly, but you can know if someone is a mushrik or perform shirk. However that does not give someone the right to simply curse them and become aggressive against them. Simple dialog and friendly discussion is okay and put forth your arguments, but there is no compulsion to heed them. And to try to force your views upon someone with violence or threats of vioence causes just about anyone to be an opponent (kafir) of God.
It is people that aggress and oppress others that should be fought and nobody else. To follow or not follow God is voluntary, but you should not become someone who corrupts, extorts or oppress.
And there are no Christians, Jews, Muslims etc " religions" but just groups of different people with their ways and they will be judged as individuals and not of being Muslims or whatever they call themselves. Group belonging does not matter but only that the person to marry is not following strange teachings and other weirdness.
God bless you
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Peace Zulf,
Not to try to act arrogantly, but you can know if someone is a mushrik or perform shirk. However that does not give someone the right to simply curse them and become aggressive against them. Simple dialog and friendly discussion is okay and put forth your arguments, but there is no compulsion to heed them. And to try to force your views upon someone with violence or threats of vioence causes just about anyone to be an opponent (kafir) of God.
It is people that aggress and oppress others that should be fought and nobody else. To follow or not follow God is voluntary, but you should not become someone who corrupts, extorts or oppress.
And there are no Christians, Jews, Muslims etc " religions" but just groups of different people with their ways and they will be judged as individuals and not of being Muslims or whatever they call themselves. Group belonging does not matter but only that the person to marry is not following strange teachings and other weirdness.
God bless you
Exactly.
Peace
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If i ever get to mary i rather mary a non believer than a sunni, who approves killing of women who cheat and killing people who left the sunnism.
You clearly have no idea what sunnism is. Thing you are talking about is wahhabism/salafism and not sunni islam.
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If i ever get to mary i rather mary a non believer than a sunni, who approves killing of women who cheat and killing people who left the sunnism.
Peace,
Quote, i rather mary a non believer than a sunni nope
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idolators are not permitted for believers to marry. 2/221
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Many sunni do not subscribe to " killing of women who cheat and killing people who left the sunnism"
in the U.S.
God bless
peace
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Lol no im single i was refering to leaving the sunnism i would be facing death penalty. I gave stoning as an example of cruelty its always women involved probably by gossip i can t imagine a woman who is shitting her pants of fear to dare to practice such an act under sharia law but that just my view
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Here are the verse about interfaith marriage (using Yusuf Ali translation)
Do not marry unbelieving women (idolaters), until they believe A slave woman who believes is better than an unbelieving woman, even though she allures you. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. Unbelievers do (but) beckon you to the Fire. But God beckons by His Grace to the Garden (of bliss) and forgiveness, and makes His Signs clear to mankind That they may celebrate His praise. 2221
Peace -- address is to same general populace and doesn't say "nor marry your girls"...
2221
and not thou marry yeh of the idolaters (f/p) until believe they and surely handmaiden believer (f/s) better from idolatress and in case like her youand not thou marry yeh of the idolaters (m/p) until believe they of and manservant (m/s) believer better from idolater and in case like him you
surely those calling to the fire and the god invites to the garden/paradise and the forgiveness by permission his and makes clear verses/signs his to the humankind that may they those remembering
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Peace -- address is to same general populace and doesn't say "nor marry your girls"...
2221
and not thou marry yeh of the idolaters (f/p) until believe they and surely handmaiden believer (f/s) better from idolatress and in case like her youand not thou marry yeh of the idolaters (m/p) until believe they of and manservant (m/s) believer better from idolater and in case like him you
surely those calling to the fire and the god invites to the garden/paradise and the forgiveness by permission his and makes clear verses/signs his to the humankind that may they those remembering
Is this an example of my lack of knowledge of Arabic biting me in the butt again? Insha'allah man, I'll be reading soon '( I read each of these translations http//corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=2&verse=221 and some corroborate his (brother Noon's) interpretation. That Mohsin Khan version seems to be the most equitable.
Typically when people try to argue things are unequal or unjust in the Quran, I feel like it has to be a mistranslation or misreading.
peace
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Brother Noon is right, no "marry your girls".
There are a lot of mistranslations, which often also come from a reading of the original which is not grounded on the original itself.
What we read never falls on a void. It falls on all our previous consciously or unconsciouslly grounded ideas, default conceptions we have of everything.
For instance, for those with a default worldview, unsconscious mostly , that the male is the human being per se, everything they read will fall on the assumption that what is said is as a function of the human being, the male.
There is a lot of that in the most common understandings of the Qur'an. And no matter what it says or what is intended, any understanding will fall flat on that fact.
We still see, no less than years ago, that most film, theater, novel or any fiction production is still full of male parts and that the proportion of female parts is much much shorter. Males are the human beings, women an exception, and accessory at that, for the brilliance of the male.
The Qur'an, to get into the minds and instill the love for womanhood, has a very uphill task.
Salaam
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Peace -- address is to same general populace and doesn't say "nor marry your girls"...
2221
and not thou marry yeh of the idolaters (f/p) until believe they and surely handmaiden believer (f/s) better from idolatress and in case like her youand not thou marry yeh of the idolaters (m/p) until believe they of and manservant (m/s) believer better from idolater and in case like him you
surely those calling to the fire and the god invites to the garden/paradise and the forgiveness by permission his and makes clear verses/signs his to the humankind that may they those remembering
So how does it makes a difference in the interpretation of this modification?
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Peace,
Just so you are observant. If you translate and work on a passage you need to be aware that a word can have a faulty meaning and you may have to cross check is with all occurrences of the word and also parse the literal quality on your testing. That way I have understood problematic passages while studying. And trust me; you cannot put too much faith in dictionaries or translations. And be not too quick in believing your own works too. And if it is not a righteous translation (as in polygamy or cutting of hands or praying birds) then it is probably not true either.
I am interested in delving into the alleged polygamy too at some point, but after the salat the mystery about Ramadan is next on my to do list because it affects both you and me more.
God bless you