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Religion Islam is based upon falsehood

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    hicham9
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      Abdun_Nur
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      The Bible is a book not fit to use as toilet paper, a worthless fiction that has caused and continues to cause confusion, suffering and stupidity in those who invest in it.

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        Your opinion on the bible is quite irrelevant. The Pseudo-Clementine Literature is not part of the Bible. What's important is this concept of Gods unity is documented in early christian writings (in Syriac) of 325 AD. More than two centuries older than Quran!

        But then there's your friend bankwar2 who is trying to decypher the language in Quran like there are no rules and it has no semitic roots nor christian precursors to make it state something self-contradicting...

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          Abdun_Nur
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          There is no deity, no god, no entity. As is your opinion, totally irrelevant, the evidence does not exists to support the jewish/christian bible, not archeologically or scientifically, this being the case your opinion is without any support, while my assertion must be disproven, as i am not the one trying to claim the bible is truth you are.

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            hicham9
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            Rlz's opinion aside, how would you translate 374, &c. ?!

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              JavaLatte
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              And in my view Al-Quran tells us everything we need to know about who/what Allah is.

              The Quran suggests that Allah is the following

              1. The Creator of everything (see verse 3962, 4062 and 6102).
              2. The Sustainer of everything (see verse 754, 1031 and 2225).
              3. The Everlasting; That has always existed and will always exist (see verse 1123 and 288.
              4. The Omniscient (see verse 2225, 659, 343, 3538, 4212, 4916, 4918, 4960 and 5016).
              5. The Omnipotent (see verse 214.
              6. The Omnipresent (see verse 5016).
              7. The Owner of everything in the heavens and the earth (see verse 2284).
              8. The Only one who guides to the truth (see verse 1035).
              9. The Unseen and unseeable (see verse 6103).
              10. The Master of the believers (see verse 4711).
              11. The Most trustworthy (see verse 4122, 951 and 1412).
              12. The Light of the heavens and the earth (see verse 2445).
              13. The Protector of the righteous (see verse 4519).
              14. The Entity which is one/singular and has no partners (see verse 931, 1066, 2122, 2391 and 3422).
              15. The One who will resurrect human beings on the day of reckoning and reward or punish them (see verse 429, 5818, 2281 and 356).

              May Allah bless you and give you security in this world/realm and in the hereafter.

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                Basically, I don't care* about those who don't even accept the existence of their Creator, because I consider it as an awful denial and also, very very ungrateful mannerism.

                *I mean, I don't care whether God will guide them or not.

                What I think they already failed in the basic test, because even after we acknowledge the existence of our Rabb, then it does not mean we become instantly safe, there are still more tests after that acknowledgment - to test your obedience to your Rabb - the test to differentiate between the true believers and the liars.

                For those who believe that God exists, please do not neglect Him. We should not forget about "taqwa". I think, sooo many people do not truly care about "taqwa".

                I think many people forget/neglect these

                Do the people think that they will be left because they say, "We believe" and they will not be tested?

                And indeed, We tested those who were before them, and Allah will surely make evident those who are truthful, and He will surely make evident the liars.

                Testimony alone is not sufficient to prove the faith.

                And also don't forget 1539-40.

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                  Some guidelines of who may be a prophet.

                  http//emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/onion-head/whaaat1-onion-head-emoticon.gif?1292862525

                  Be safe
                  Amenuel

                  Could you even remain constant/fixed regarding name??

                  Emanuel? Amenujil? Amenuel?

                  I know you don't ask for money (any charge), Henrik, but it doesn't mean that you meet the other requirement.

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                    Peace JavaLatte,

                    so you do not reason clearly, you dismiss without any understanding any alternative and proclaim misconceptions simply because you are arrogant in your own delusion of a God in the sky which you support through a corrupted translation of a guide you do not grasp?

                    Although the shahada is a contrived combination of out of context statements it is an accurate expression of the evidence.

                    "There is no deity."

                    Therefore there is no god, no divine character, nothing to be personified, or anthropomorphized as a supreme ?being?, being a distinct entity.

                    So no entity, which is something having real or distinct existence, a thing considered as independent of other things, a separation distinct and independent from other things, this cannot exist, there can be nothing claimed a deity.

                    "There is only Allah." or "Only Allah."

                    Allah is a single consciousness as the absolute totality of what may exist, so the One consciousness cannot be independent of anything, all is the thought of the single consciousness; we ourselves are a fractal copy within that consciousness, forming the evolving nature of the matrix of consciousness itself.

                    A single Consciousness is an ?entirety? of all that is or may be; therefore it is absolutely impossible for an entity deity to exist.

                    An entity must be something other; but you cannot have something other with the entirety of everything.

                    ?All religions are made up then??

                    Religions do not come into existence through the quality of their inherent truths, but through the capacity of the powerful to impose them with maintained ignorance, violence, and fear. Fear is very important in order to control and manipulate souls; the first thing to establish is fear, as souls that are not afraid cannot be controlled.

                    Once the hierarchy (the tree of death) of religions are in place many other hierarchies are either constructed or given the divine backing of religious hierarchy, and these constructs are perceived real, yet are nothing more than a fantasy invented to allow the few to dominate the many.

                    Religious fantasy is most needed where there is a lack of individuality, a lack of original unique thought, a mind that lacks such development tends towards fanaticism, this substitutes the excitement that experiencing unique thoughts generates, exchanged for the excitement of their obsessional focus, a psychosis that hypnotizes their mind, and can through that focus shut down the mind to all higher emotions of empathy, compassion, kindness and unconditional love, and even render wicked actions undisturbed by their conscience. The individual soul can rise to infinite heights of consciousness, but not if they choose conformity to the thoughtless multitude; to devote your mind to conform to any hierarchy of control, belief or exchange, drives consciousness ever deeper in to a state of mindlessness dominated by status and separation.

                    All Gods are the fantasy of either the fantasist or the fanatic, a polished vanity they present as their persona, the fantasists desire for power, and ambition, ravenously fed from the fanatics fear and cowardice, and their hypnotized perceptions.

                    In the perceptions of your Earthly life truth is attacked, reason ridiculed, love, compassion and empathy considered a weakness, violence glorified, hate justified, murder rationalised, theft sanctified, life monetised, in the 'worlds' of the soulless creatures, the upper-world of the soulless is dominated by thirteen elite families who are beyond any accountability, the under-world of the soulless beasts are protected by the upper-world, the commercial world of the slave souls is sandwiched between the two soulless worlds, and all the Earth suffers.

                    Every soul is all creation in a drop. Creation is perceptual thought; the only thing that is real is consciousness itself. This single consciousness is built fractally, repeating consciousness yet remaining one. Each new fractal consciousness begins as a simple copy, but grows through densities of perception. Each fractal form grows by embodying ever more copies of consciousness within its own consciousness as companions, fractals expand by embodying fractals, and these form the larger fractal. It?s only when a consciousness is in harmony that it may become a companion to a higher fractal form, meaning souls who are harmonised by complimentary beliefs, common aspirations and an emotional unity. If considered from the other perspective, as fractal consciousness descends in ever more compact form, so the awareness they experience is of lower densities of perception, the evolution of all fractal consciousness is to flow to higher densities of thought infinitely, as they themselves attract and embody other companion fractal consciousness, but what may evolve may also devolve. Fractals should rise upward growing in consciousness through fractal connection; these integral connections are the companions of the soul.

                    Each soul is unique, each drop of an infinite ocean, we are the jewels of creation each drop, we are the most cherished each drop, but within that infinite ocean each drop must grasp truth as a rudder, reason as a compass, love as a destination, sadly many souls refuse to see, hear, think, accept or evolve, and so many suffer.

                    organic growth in consciousness is not a set progression, each evolves in a unique way, the song is evolving not the body, every song is unique, and every soul shapes their own song. Some songs harmonise better with some souls and not so well with others, for those in harmony you can become synchronous companions; there?s no hierarchy in consciousness just variety, the very essence of all creation is infinite diversity. A soul who called himself Adams correctly stated. ?If your actions inspire others to dream more, learn more, do more and become more, you are a leader.? True leaders act anarchically, they are copied because their example demands it, their council is sort out, never imposed, they are the trail blazers, the truth backers, the defenders of the weak and oppressed, such a leader is a Muhammad Rasul.

                    The pervasive conscious ocean sings, and all other conscious fields of thought are likewise harmonic songs in synchronisation with the manifesting ever building fractal field of all conscious thought, every soul exists as a fractal form of the conscious entirety, the expression of that consciousness is thought, which can be perceived as a form of energy, all energies are simply thought, a unified field of creative thought; an infinite field of consciousness if you like. Imagine consciousness is the ocean; that is you. Imagine a single drop of that ocean is your emotional heart; that is you. Imagine conceptually an atoms worth of that drop is your perceptual mind; that is you, you contain the entire ocean in a drop, held within an infinite ocean; that is the unity of soul.

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                      hicham9
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                      There is no ilh (period).

                      Again @Abdun Nur,

                      How would you translate 374 ?!

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                        Abdun_Nur
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                        Clearly you do not read replies, instead you take a corrupted translation as if it has merit, investigate the ancient Arabic before posting verse references without any effort to understand the original meanings yourself.

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                          hicham9
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                          Clearly you do not read replies, instead you take a corrupted translation as if it has merit, investigate the ancient Arabic before posting verse references without any effort to understand the original meanings yourself.

                          Plz enlighten my ignorance by translating the (3 words) passage in question!

                          I can provide more passages (against ur case) if you wish.

                          Ps. I do read replies,
                          I just don't waste my time on the irrelevant.

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                            Abdun_Nur
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                            Investigate the meanings on your own, as whatever I say you will ignore as it would not fit in with your preconceived beliefs, it is only through a personal effort you will be able to accept what you discover, however that would take effort on your part, and i have found religious minded people want easy answers, so making effort is seldom invested, or the abilities they have are so poor they have no abilities to investigate in existence to make an effort.

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                              Allah is a single consciousness as the absolute totality of what may exist, so the One consciousness cannot be independent of anything, all is the thought of the single consciousness; we ourselves are a fractal copy within that consciousness, forming the evolving nature of the matrix of consciousness itself.

                              A single Consciousness is an ?entirety? of all that is or may be; therefore it is absolutely impossible for an entity deity to exist.

                              An entity must be something other; but you cannot have something other with the entirety of everything.

                              And what was there before human consciousness? Before the human being existed at all? And before the earth existed? Where is the sum of consciousness that you refer to? A collective consciousness that could not exist before human beings came to be?

                              So the universe just came into being without a creator, is that correct? Everything precisely and intricately setup, by accident and out of nothing and nothing from the perspective of nothing?

                              In any case, enjoy your beliefs.

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                                Abdun_Nur
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                                Peace AW,

                                The universe is a shared perception, it is not in existence independently but perceptually, all is the thought of the single consciousness, you did not read the explanation I posted carefully.

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                                  Investigate the meanings on your own, as whatever I say you will ignore as it would not fit in with your preconceived beliefs, it is only through a personal effort you will be able to accept what you discover, however that would take effort on your part, and i have found religious minded people want easy answers, so making effort is seldom invested, or the abilities they have are so poor they have no abilities to investigate in existence to make an effort.

                                  My (current) understanding of 374 is

                                  Surely your God is One.

                                  If I'm wrong, then plz correct me, sir!

                                  Ie. Why do you claim/propagate that "there is no god" according to the Quran , when the Quran clearly edifies that there is only one God ?!

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                                    Peace AW,

                                    The universe is a shared perception, it is not in existence independently but perceptually, all is the thought of the single consciousness, you did not read the explanation I posted carefully.

                                    You can argue that the universe is observable from a shared perception, can you prove that it does not exist outside perception? I dont think so.

                                    Our God, Initiator of the heavens and the earth, Knower of the unseen and the seen, You will judge between Your servants regarding what they disputed in.

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                                      @ my brothers and sisters

                                      Please follow the lessons that Allah taught/teaches to you through the Qur'an. Please listen to Allah, and do not follow the fool people (who are not the authorized messengers of God) who could possibly ruin your faith.

                                      Our God, Initiator of the heavens and the earth, Knower of the unseen and the seen, You will judge between Your servants regarding what they disputed in.

                                      Precious words, brother.

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                                        Abdun_Nur
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                                        Yes it is proven, quantum examination of the very fundamental state of matter shows it has no matter, it is also influenced by thought, this demonstrates that it is itself thought, thought is intangible, as is matter, yet we perceive this, and we all perceive this in a shared form, this demonstrates that we all share a single consciousness, a fractal conscious form.

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                                          hicham9
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                                          As far as the Quran is concerned, you've got naught but denial.

                                          Why do you claim/propagate that "there is no god" according to the Quran , when the Quran clearly edifies that there is only one God ?!

                                          Plz don't distort the simple and clear message of the Quran, to suit your personal, irrational thoughts!

                                          Let the messenger speak for itself.

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