Resolve the confusion--pronoun in 16:66 and 23:21
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Salaam,
I think I need to work on my imagination to see the invisible e things you see.
Salaam,
BenderI don't waste my time to see the invisible through imaginative-hallucination; I see the words of the Book that mirror every reality, visible and invisible because I accept the Book is written in human language.
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By a divine author.
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It is difficult enough to interpret it by the original Arabic let alone find a translation that makes sense because you need to form entirely different sentences sometimes or you get stuck in translation. So it is double work and oftentimes you are more focused on the substance of the original language than giving perfect English renditions. I rather have the right interpretation of the original script and its words first of all.
Even if I form awkward sentences the smart guy can just put them in the right order because it is hard to think of two languages at the same time. Getting the correct literal translation is the most important step, first. And if you just make a first draft and first just brainstorm everything and get it out in a decent first translation, you can just use what you have and work on moving letters and vice versa around until it makes better sense and change necessary help words or rephrasing, as long as it does not change the meaning. Not add any words of implicit meaning that would change the literal interpretation.
Peace
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Salam,
Both the words are different. See their morphology.Salaam,
Sorry I disagree. It came from the same root.
A3in-Raa-Baa - Raa-Seen-Laam
You cannot say RuSuLan is a different word and not belong to the root of RaSooL.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Salaam,
Sorry I disagree. It came from the same root.
A3in-Raa-Baa - Raa-Seen-Laam
You cannot say RuSuLan is a different word and not belong to the root of RaSooL.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanSorry, this is no comparison in morphology.
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One should never forget Arabic is a pro-drop language. Its prepositional phrases show to the critical reader, who is aware of grammar rules, what is elided. Word by word translation for Arabic is the choice of those who know not Arabic.
Who said anything about word-by-word interpretation. Anyway it is a way to learn at first. Affixes and prepositions etc are important for the Arabic language, that is true, but it does not matter if the grammatical rules that you use are wrong. What I meant is that Arabic sentence design is very different from English, for example, and when you read it you "think" in a different way. It becomes a different order. This is essential to remember when you attempt to make a translation.
English is a pro-drop language, and it drops the pronouns way more frequently than Arabic. In fact I feel that Arabic actually keeps pronouns very often to the extent it sounds dull in English if you directly translate it. In this manner Arabic can on the other hand feel more exact and non-misunderstandable, as long as you use the proper grammar rules. By all means it depends on the speaker of the language really. Some people speak it lazily and drop certain words because it is more comfortable. Just watch the transformation of the English language.
Have faith
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Who said anything about word-by-word interpretation. Anyway it is a way to learn at first. Affixes and prepositions etc are important for the Arabic language, that is true, but it does not matter if the grammatical rules that you use are wrong. What I meant is that Arabic sentence design is very different from English, for example, and when you read it you "think" in a different way. It becomes a different order. This is essential to remember when you attempt to make a translation.
English is a pro-drop language, and it drops the pronouns way more frequently than Arabic. In fact I feel that Arabic actually keeps pronouns very often to the extent it sounds dull in English if you directly translate it. In this manner Arabic can on the other hand feel more exact and non-misunderstandable, as long as you use the proper grammar rules. By all means it depends on the speaker of the language really. Some people speak it lazily and drop certain words because it is more comfortable. Just watch the transformation of the English language.
Have faith
From MOF; It is a pleasant post to me.
The word order in sentences of English and Arabic has variations but it does not mean that both languages have different types of sentences, either by structure or meaning. First step is to recognize a sentence, its beginning and end since unlike English it has no stop signs. Translation will be in two steps; after morphological parsing and after syntactical parsing . Most of available translations were done only by following first process, thereby, they had blurred or distorted perceptions.
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The lack of punctuation is clearly a big disadvantage for the interpretation. And sometimes passages cut the same context into many fragments so it is confusing to read. It is at least a sign to me that some ignorant person sat down and fragmented the discourse into passages.
Peace
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The lack of punctuation is clearly a big disadvantage for the interpretation. And sometimes passages cut the same context into many fragments so it is confusing to read. It is at least a sign to me that some ignorant person sat down and fragmented the discourse into passages.
Peace
The "puntuation" in Arabic of Qur'aan is the best world over. The only difference is that it does not have separate marks but case endings are the tool for puntuation which leave no room for incorrect interpretation when both morphological and syntactical processes are employed for analysis.
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As long as you know the language, that works well, yes.
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Salaam,
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Well, so how will you define morphology in and .
Can you please clarify? Thanks.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanBoth are broken plurals; one feminine and the other masculine. The issue was with relation to relative adjective http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/07.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Sura%20009/7.%20Arbi%20Ain%20Ra%20Ba%20language/4.gif. Rasulun does not have relative adjective.
You can read about Relative adjective in any grammar book.
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Both are broken plurals; one feminine and the other masculine. The issue was with relation to relative adjective http//haqeeqat.org.pk/English%20Tafsir%20e%20Haqeeqat/00.Tabweeb%20Part%202/07.%20Roots%20originating%20in%20Sura%20009/7.%20Arbi%20Ain%20Ra%20Ba%20language/4.gif. Rasulun does not have relative adjective.
You can read about Relative adjective in any grammar book.
Salaam,
It was not rAsulUn but it was rUsUlAn.
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I don't waste my time to see the invisible through imaginative-hallucination; I see the words of the Book that mirror every reality, visible and invisible because I accept the Book is written in human language.
salaam,
1997
Mazhar translation
Thereby, for reason of its universality and permanence, We have certainly rendered it Grand Qur'aan easy, open and facilitative for reading and comprehension by transcribing it in the mother tongue Arabic language of you Muhammad .The purpose of its facilitative rendering is that you the Messenger might give glad tidings-guarantee on the strength of this Grand Qur'aan to those who endeavor to remain cautious and avoid conduct inspired and governed by emotion in reverence and fear of Allah the Exalted;
And so that you the Messenger may admonish, with this Grand Qur'aan, the excessively argumentative people.
I still believe one needs a very big imagination to come up with these kind of translation. If you think I am wrong, then I have a couple of questions if you do not mind.
I think I have already shown you that the language of the Quran is NOT the language of your school language.
Besides this, does not mean Arabic in The Quran. Your understanding on this is based on some faulty early exegeses.Salaam,
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salaam,
1997
Mazhar translation
Thereby, for reason of its universality and permanence, We have certainly rendered it Grand Qur'aan easy, open and facilitative for reading and comprehension by transcribing it in the mother tongue Arabic language of you Muhammad .The purpose of its facilitative rendering is that you the Messenger might give glad tidings-guarantee on the strength of this Grand Qur'aan to those who endeavor to remain cautious and avoid conduct inspired and governed by emotion in reverence and fear of Allah the Exalted;
And so that you the Messenger may admonish, with this Grand Qur'aan, the excessively argumentative people.
I still believe one needs a very big imagination to come up with these kind of translation. If you think I am wrong, then I have a couple of questions if you do not mind.
I think I have already shown you that the language of the Quran is NOT the language of your school language.
Besides this, does not mean Arabic in The Quran. Your understanding on this is based on some faulty early exegeses.
Salaam,
BenderStrange; did you not notice what I have been loudly proclaiming on this forum that all the old translations/exegeses are faulty in one respect or the other; and particularly later ones since these are copied from Jewish translator who did translation not for academic purposes but merely playfully--Rodwell.
Do you see any similarity of my translation in any earlier translation?
I still believe one needs a very big imagination to come up with these kind of translation
"Big imagination" might cause what Qur'aan calls "disease within hearts"; only rational behaviour is needed to understand this kind of translation becuase it is based on academic rules and every particle is taken care in transference to target language.
I think I have already shown you that the language of the Quran is NOT the language of your school language.
It is but childish. I said Qur'aan is in the language of peoples, it is living language of millions and millions of people. What makes it difficult for you to digest that Qur'aan is written in Arabic language and language is always governed by rules, and these rules can be studied in school.
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Strange; did you not notice what I have been loudly proclaiming on this forum that all the old translations/exegeses are faulty in one respect or the other; and particularly later ones since these are copied from Jewish translator who did translation not for academic purposes but merely playfully--Rodwell.
Do you see any similarity of my translation in any earlier translation?
Salaam,
No I do not see any similarity, your translation is from a differrent level.
"Big imagination" might cause what Qur'aan calls "disease within hearts"; only rational behaviour is needed to understand this kind of translation becuase it is based on academic rules and every particle is taken care in transference to target language.
Do people who have a disease in their hearts know they have a disease in their heart or do they think they are acting rational?
It is but childish. I said Qur'aan is in the language of peoples, it is living language of millions and millions of people. What makes it difficult for you to digest that Qur'aan is written in Arabic language and language is always governed by rules, and these rules can be studied in school.
Yes you say a lot, it does only not mean that what you say is also true.
Salaam,
Bender