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  4. how caN I RESPOND TO MY DAD in regards to ramadan?

how caN I RESPOND TO MY DAD in regards to ramadan?

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    sushi1992
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    Peace sushi1992,

    I have fulfilled a traditional Ramadhan twice. And both times in Ramadhan month according to Shia tradition and it has been over 30 degrees Celsius constantly with peaks of 38 so it is possible to fast from drink and food also in hot weather.

    The first few days are worst, but after that the body "realizes" it is an emergency and adjusts accordingly by reducing the sense of hunger to allow the survival instincts to focus on hunting for prey. The endurance can hence get a positive feedback. I would still say it can have a detrimental effect to fast a prolonged period even if you eat for a short time in the night because the body keeps itself in an exposed mode and also stores more of the food as fat if it can and there is a risk of muscular breakdown if you are not careful with the diet in the night because the body focuses on sustaining primary functionality due to the self-inflicted famine.

    A bodybuilder would need to be super-careful and it is hard to keep the muscles from breaking down during a fasting (I am a bodybuilder) because big muscles require much nutrition and the nutrition digested in the evening and early dawn is stockpiled and are depots depleted the body gnaws on muscles like dogs on their bones.

    If nutrition was not already challenging for a bodybuilder it becomes very hard while fasting for a minimum breakdown, for the month will tear on the muscles in the end. But they recover easily though fortunately after some weeks in the gym

    And sorry that this was not exactly according to the topic.

    Peace MoF,

    See I do see this as hardship to some degree. I really physically can't do the first few days because my body has a bad reaction. I literally just about get home off the tube from work because I'm knackered due to being so busy - fasting would really top it off.... I don't think I'd get home (( I'd rather feed the poor or abstain from talking. I don't have a partner so I couldn't abstain from sex so really... Not talking and feeding the poor would hve to be the alternative. I have a fast metabolism and I burn food quickly. I'd have to eat at like 1am a lot of food, then go sleep and wake for work and starve the whole day til 7pm? I'm unbearably hungry by 7am even if I ate when I was going bed! Lol... I'll stick with the alternative of feeding others or giving to charity... Its a lot less hardship. It's not even that I eat a lot tbh, I don't eat much. Just not eating at all or even worse, not having any water to hydrate yourself is too detrimental for me

    Peace peace

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      huruf
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      You are the best judge. There is just one person you should never cheat yourself. Try to be honest to your best ability and whatever you find is right, to not brood over it do it that way anc oncentrate on it in doing it well, whether it is some partial fast, or feeding somebody else, or both or whatever comes to you as most appropriate. Just keep in mind, that the aim is your purification. Not a self-punishment. Purifying usually entails getting rid of something that impurifies. may be habits, may be whatever distracts you from what you should be concentrating on. But be calm, this is nto a race, it is a loong way and we need our moments of thinking quietly, of rest, of restoring... Take it easy and take sincerely... In sha Allah you will get there.

      Salaam

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        You are the best judge. There is just one person you should never cheat yourself. Try to be honest to your best ability and whatever you find is right, to not brood over it do it that way anc oncentrate on it in doing it well, whether it is some partial fast, or feeding somebody else, or both or whatever comes to you as most appropriate. Just keep in mind, that the aim is your purification. Not a self-punishment. Purifying usually entails getting rid of something that impurifies. may be habits, may be whatever distracts you from what you should be concentrating on. But be calm, this is nto a race, it is a loong way and we need our moments of thinking quietly, of rest, of restoring... Take it easy and take sincerely... In sha Allah you will get there.

        Salaam
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        Peace huruf,

        Thank you for your sweet and kind words of advice... I'll repeat them often. I always try to do things as well as possible and hopefully I can keep doing so. I pay some money every month to a charity and I pay quite a bit more to some young kid in El Salvador to help him stay in school and get fed.... I'm on the go all the time and I waste a lot of energy doing one thing or the other (mental tasks drain the energy out of you quicker ( ) and I feel that caring for a child who needs it is a good deed )

        peace

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          peace

          And that command is quite easy to obey if you are around the equator

          Those who live close to the arctic circle are always giving the same excuses of long days. Do you realize that those muslims living close to the equator have to stand days with temperatures of around 110 ?F 43 C or more . It is funny that those who give the most excuses about anything regarding the faith live in the western countries. Why could that be?

          Sweden daylight hours July 340am 1002pm=around 18 hour daylight ;July temp= 23 ?C (73 ?F). those living close to the arctic have a very cool Ramadam. I do not see why they complain so much, when it is that cool I even have to remind my self of drinking water.

          Here in Texas we have 15 hour daylight and day temperature around 100 F 37C and some days it can go to 110F 43C. And I believe the muslims living in the middle east have it worst. You complain too much to be muslims.
          "I have declared a Sawm for the Gracious, and I will not talk today to any of the people." the verse clarifies itself of what Mary is abstaining from.
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          2187....You may eat and drink until you can discern the white streak of light against the black streak of night at daybreak. Then complete the Abstinence until sunset. And do not have intimate relations with them...
          the verse clarifies itself of what the abstinence is about=no liquids---no food--and no sex.

          If you had faith you could stand 40 days and nights straight without drinking and eating, like Moses or Jesus.

          RAMADAM is a mater of faith, and only those whose faith is weak look for excuses.

          May God increase our knowledge and give us some wisdom.

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            If you had faith you could stand 40 days and nights straight without drinking and eating, like Moses or Jesus.

            Bold And may I know the reliable source of this statement...?

            Salm.

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              peace

              Those who live close to the arctic circle are always giving the same excuses of long days. Do you realize that those muslims living close to the equator have to stand days with temperatures of around 110 ?F 43 C or more . It is funny that those who give the most excuses about anything regarding the faith live in the western countries. Why could that be?

              Sweden daylight hours July 340am 1002pm=around 18 hour daylight ;July temp= 23 ?C (73 ?F). those living close to the arctic have a very cool Ramadam. I do not see why they complain so much, when it is that cool I even have to remind my self of drinking water.

              Here in Texas we have 15 hour daylight and day temperature around 100 F 37C and some days it can go to 110F 43C. And I believe the muslims living in the middle east have it worst. You complain too much to be muslims.
              "I have declared a Sawm for the Gracious, and I will not talk today to any of the people." the verse clarifies itself of what Mary is abstaining from.
              ALSO
              2187....You may eat and drink until you can discern the white streak of light against the black streak of night at daybreak. Then complete the Abstinence until sunset. And do not have intimate relations with them...
              the verse clarifies itself of what the abstinence is about=no liquids---no food--and no sex.

              If you had faith you could stand 40 days and nights straight without drinking and eating, like Moses or Jesus.

              RAMADAM is a mater of faith, and only those whose faith is weak look for excuses.

              May God increase our knowledge and give us some wisdom.

              Mate, don't even give me bullcrap about if you had faith you would do it. I've done it for a few days a couple of years ago and I couldn't do anymore as it was too hot for me. When I was in my home country, it was hitting 30 degrees better the problem is the humidity. Humidity always makes me feel sick and faint. Some people thought the weather was fine (usually people from middle eastern countries) and most looked like they were sweating puddles and finding it hard to stand up. If I had a choice on when to do it and if it wasn't consecutive days, then I'd probably be capable. But YOU can't say that it's easy just cos you have higher tolerance levels. Everyone is different and everyone has different thresholds. Don't come here saying people don't have faith just cos they can't tolerate certain levels of heat and humidity. That's a load of bull.

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                sushi1992
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                Bold And may I know the reliable source of this statement...?

                Salm.

                PS I'd like to see you "easily" do that without any "hardship" eh?

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                  Peace Taro ,

                  I read that verse in the quran about Maryam and I think I read a similar verse in regards to abstaining from speech elsewhere as well. Personally, I feel that abstaining from speech is quite challenging but quite rewarding at the same time. I think it helps a being be capable of living with themselves without needing external communication - a bit like a really long meditation session. It would definitely disciple you more..... But I will definitely delve into this when i also have more time - my time is also limited as well.

                  Though I hope it's limited due to reasons other than health reasons...

                  peace

                  Peace sushi1992,

                  You make some good points/observations in your post. I agree with your views. There might be a purpose/wisdom behind why Mary was commanded to abstain from speech. Like you said, abstaining from speech can help someone be living with themselves without needing external communication - a bit like a meditation session. Perhaps this might give a person a unique calmness and deep clarity, so that they can grow in spiritual direction. I believe that there is a purpose/wisdom behind every commandment in the Quran.

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                    Bold And may I know the reliable source of this statement...?

                    Salm.

                    Peace,

                    This information is in the Christian Bible. I think the '40' refers to 'many days' though and not a definite 40 days. Both Jesus and Moses in that case were off exactly 40 days which is a strange phenomenon in my opinion.

                    Also in a literal qualitative sense if you say 40 days and 40 nights it sounds a bit exaggerated. More like "many days and many nights".

                    The same is for the man in the Qur'an who reaches 40 years and is considered mature, but I think it intends an allegorical 'many years' there or coming to age.

                    Have faith

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                      sushi1992
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                      Peace,

                      This information is in the Christian Bible. I think the '40' refers to 'many days' though and not a definite 40 days. Both Jesus and Moses in that case were off exactly 40 days which is a strange phenomenon in my opinion.

                      Also in a literal qualitative sense if you say 40 days and 40 nights it sounds a bit exaggerated. More like "many days and many nights".

                      The same is for the man in the Qur'an who reaches 40 years and is considered mature, but I think it intends an allegorical 'many years' there or coming to age.

                      Have faith

                      Peace,

                      As far as I'm aware it is an Arabic idiom to say 40 days/nights and mean many days/many nights. It sounds pretty torturous to me....

                      peace

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                        Peace sushi1992,

                        You make some good points/observations in your post. I agree with your views. There might be a purpose/wisdom behind why Mary was commanded to abstain from speech. Like you said, abstaining from speech can help someone be living with themselves without needing external communication - a bit like a meditation session. Perhaps this might give a person a unique calmness and deep clarity, so that they can grow in spiritual direction. I believe that there is a purpose/wisdom behind every commandment in the Quran.

                        Definitely. I mean the thing is after fasting in the sense of not eating, many people really stuff themselves after the count. Even more so people actually eat extra big meals at night time to make sure they are not too hungry during the day.

                        I don't think the same can be done with talking. You can't really get a tonne of speech out of your system just to prepare for a day of no speech. It definitely makes me sense to abstain from speech... It also helps you cope with yourself and be at peace with yourself more.

                        The traditional Muslims nowadays who fast and then eat crazy amounts of food... Well I just think... What was the point???

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