Lessons from the Quran
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Peace everyone,
Thank you for your responses to my last post
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I will wirte about the lesson of beauty.
Yusuf, kind, beautiful, chivalrous, gentle Yusuf. Accosted because of his beauty and kindeness, and nervertheless always humble, gentle, courteous. Adream of a man. A model of manliness, of purity of faithfulness.
I like tso much the whole passages about Yusuf. It is as if even God took to that kind of beauty and the whole passages are haven of subtlety, gentleness, innocence.My man would somebody like Yusuf. Obviously I wouldn't be the only one. Oll of us ladies feel the same, or most of us.
It is a model for men, but while I put it here it is to certify that I like that model, that women like that model, that God knows us women, that he recognizes his work in us and that he creates men that are to our likes.
I love Yusuf.
Salaam
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I will wirte about the lesson of beauty.
Yusuf, kind, beautiful, chivalrous, gentle Yusuf. Accosted because of his beauty and kindeness, and nervertheless always humble, gentle, courteous. Adream of a man. A model of manliness, of purity of faithfulness.
I like tso much the whole passages about Yusuf. It is as if even God took to that kind of beauty and the whole passages are haven of subtlety, gentleness, innocence.My man would somebody like Yusuf. Obviously I wouldn't be the only one. Oll of us ladies feel the same, or most of us.
It is a model for men, but while I put it here it is to certify that I like that model, that women like that model, that God knows us women, that he recognizes his work in us and that he creates men that are to our likes.
I love Yusuf.
Salaam
A dream man indeed. I definitely read verses in regards to yusuf again....
It seems there is a lack of men on this planet who goes by yusuf's character... I agree that all men and women should see him as a good role model. Men should particularly see him as a good role model as women should see maryam as a good role model...
peace
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Peace Huruf,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts about the lesson of beauty.
I also think Joseph was a great Prophet. He was a very good example/role model, in my opinion. I have read the story of Joseph many times in the Quran. I like the story of Joseph a lot. Because there are many valuable lessons in his story. By the way, I would like to share a lesson from his story in this thread. I will share a lesson from his story in my next post.
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A lesson from the story of Joseph
In this text I would like to share a lesson from the story of Joseph. My interpretation of the story of Joseph is based on different verses in the Quran.
So when she heard of their scheming, she sent for them and prepared a banquet for them, and she gave each one of them a knife. She said, "Come out to them," so when they saw him they exalted him and cut their hands, and they said, "God be praised, this is not a human, but a blessed angel!She said, "This is the one whom you blamed me for, and I have seduced him from himself but he refused. If he does not do as I command him, he will be imprisoned, and he will be one of those disgraced.
In verse 1231-32 above, it seems that the wife of the governor and some other women tried to seduce Joseph to give in to their seduction. This also seems to be confirmed by verse 1251. Let me quote this verse.
He said, "What is your plea that you tried to seduce Joseph from himself?" They said, "God forbid that we would do any harm to him." The wife of the Governor said, "Now the truth must be known, I did seek to seduce Joseph from himself and he is of the truthful ones?"
Let me quote verse 1231 and verse 1232 once again. .
So when she heard of their scheming, she sent for them and prepared a banquet for them, and she gave each one of them a knife. She said, "Come out to them," so when they saw him they exalted him and cut their hands, and they said, "God be praised, this is not a human, but a blessed angel!She said, "This is the one whom you blamed me for, and I have seduced him from himself but he refused. If he does not do as I command him, he will be imprisoned, and he will be one of those disgraced.
Let me also quote verse 1233.
"He said, "My Lord, prison is better to me than what they are inviting me to do. If You do not turn their scheming away from me, I will fall for them and be of the ignorant."
According to verse 1233, Joseph considered prison better than what those women were inviting him to do. But what where the governors wife and the other women inviting him to do? Verse 1251 seems to suggest that they were trying to seduce Joseph to give in to their desires/wishes. But as mentioned earlier, Joseph considered prison better than what those women were inviting him to do. In verse 1233 above, Joseph says that if God do not turn the scheming of the women away from him, he will fall for them (give in to their desires) and be of the ignorant.
As mentioned earlier, in verse 1233 above, Joseph says that if God do not turn the scheming of the women away from him, he will fall for them (give in to their desires) and be of the ignorant. Verse 1233 above, seems to refer to ignorance of morality (what is right and wrong) and ignorance of reality (what is true and false). The above mentioned verse does not seem to refer to ignorance of knowlede/information.
The lesson we can learn (extract) from this story is that if a muslim man/woman gives in to his/her desires/temptations by having intimate relations with the opposite sex (without being married) the muslim man or woman might become ignorant of what is right and wrong and ignorant of what is true and false. In other words, the muslim man or woman might experience a huge loss; by no longer being able to judge what is right from wrong and what is true from false. A state of ignorance does not always mean ignorance of knowledge/information. A state of ignorance can also mean ignorance of morality (what is right and wrong). And it can also mean ignorance of reality (what is true and false).
If the interpretation of the above mentioned verses is correct, this suggests that chastity and good judgment goes hand in hand. And this would mean that a man/woman must maintain his/her chastity if he/she wants to possess the ability to what is judge right from wrong and what true from false. Therefore chastity seems to be of utmost importance in islam.
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A lesson from the story of Joseph
In this text I would like to share a lesson from the story of Joseph. My interpretation of the story of Joseph is based on different verses in the Quran.
So when she heard of their scheming, she sent for them and prepared a banquet for them, and she gave each one of them a knife. She said, "Come out to them," so when they saw him they exalted him and cut their hands, and they said, "God be praised, this is not a human, but a blessed angel!She said, "This is the one whom you blamed me for, and I have seduced him from himself but he refused. If he does not do as I command him, he will be imprisoned, and he will be one of those disgraced.
In verse 1231-32 above, it seems that the wife of the governor and some other women tried to seduce Joseph to give in to their seduction. This also seems to be confirmed by verse 1251. Let me quote this verse.
He said, "What is your plea that you tried to seduce Joseph from himself?" They said, "God forbid that we would do any harm to him." The wife of the Governor said, "Now the truth must be known, I did seek to seduce Joseph from himself and he is of the truthful ones?"
Let me quote verse 1231 and verse 1232 once again. .
So when she heard of their scheming, she sent for them and prepared a banquet for them, and she gave each one of them a knife. She said, "Come out to them," so when they saw him they exalted him and cut their hands, and they said, "God be praised, this is not a human, but a blessed angel!She said, "This is the one whom you blamed me for, and I have seduced him from himself but he refused. If he does not do as I command him, he will be imprisoned, and he will be one of those disgraced.
Let me also quote verse 1233.
"He said, "My Lord, prison is better to me than what they are inviting me to do. If You do not turn their scheming away from me, I will fall for them and be of the ignorant."
QuranAccording to verse 1233, Joseph considered prison better than what those women were inviting him to do. But what where the governors wife and the other women inviting him to do? Verse 1251 seems to suggest that they were trying to seduce Joseph to give in to their desires/wishes. But as mentioned earlier, Joseph considered prison better than what those women were inviting him to do. In verse 1233 above, Joseph says that if God do not turn the scheming of the women away from him, he will fall for them (give in to their desires) and be of the ignorant.
As mentioned earlier, in verse 1233 above, Joseph says that if God do not turn the scheming of the women away from him, he will fall for them (give in to their desires) and be of the ignorant. Verse 1233 above, seems to refer to ignorance of morality (what is right and wrong) and ignorance of reality (what is true and false). The above mentioned verse does not seem to refer to ignorance of knowlede/information.
The lesson we can learn (extract) from this story is that if a muslim man/woman gives in to his/her desires/temptations by having intimate relations with the opposite sex (without being married) the muslim man or woman might become ignorant of what is right and wrong and ignorant of what is true and false. In other words, the muslim man or woman might experience a huge loss; by no longer being able to judge what is right from wrong and what is true from false. A state of ignorance does not always mean ignorance of knowledge/information. A state of ignorance can also mean ignorance of morality (what is right and wrong). And it can also mean ignorance of reality (what is true and false).
If the interpretation of the above mentioned verses is correct, this suggests that chastity and good judgment goes hand in hand. And this would mean that a man/woman can not have good judgment unless he/she maintains his/her chastity. Therefore chastity seems to be highly important in islam.
Good insight.
Many men, unfortunately, consider this situations as something of an advantage, they "take" something for nothing. Some acquisition for their actives of worldly success. They do not love themselves but their worldly image of themselves. Somebody who loves himself would act like Yusuf, somebody who loves his worldly image will go for "it".
It is a kind of adolatry of the world.
Salaam
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With regard to your post about punishments, you may be interested in this article
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-crime-punishment-expiation.htmlPeace Wakas,
Thanks for sharing the article about Crime and Punishment. In the bottom of your article it states this
If you know of other such verses, please let me know.
There is a verse about punishment in the Quran. But I don't know if it is relevant to your article. Because it is about punishment in a debate/argument. The punishment is mentioned in verse 16126.
And if you punish, then punish with equivalence to that which you were punished. And if you are patient then it is better for the patient ones.
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It seems there is a lack of men on this planet who goes by yusuf's character... I agree that all men and women should see him as a good role model. Men should particularly see him as a good role model as women should see maryam as a good role model...
Peace sushi1992, all,
In my view, both Maryam and Yusuf are good roles models for both men and women. That being said, I agree with your view about Yusuf being a better role model for and Maryam being a better role model for women.
I think Joseph was a very good example. But some people claim that Abraham is the best example for both men and women. The Quran seems to confirm this view.
Here are some interesting verses about Abraham
Who is better in the system than one who peacefully surrenders himself to God, and is a good doer, and he followed the creed of Abraham in monotheism? God took Abraham as a friend.
Who would abandon the creed of Abraham except one who fools himself? We have selected him in this world, and in the Hereafter, he is of the reformers.
VERILY, Abraham was a man who combined within himself all virtues, devoutly obeying God's will, turning away from all that is false, and not being of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God
They say, "Be Jews or Christians, then you will be guided." Say, "Nay! Ours is the Creed of Abraham the upright. He turned away from all that is false, and he was not an idolater in any sense.
Thus We showed Abraham the kingdom of heavens and earth, so that he will be of those who have certainty.
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The impossibility of punishing a wife for adultery
Those who accuse their wives, but they have no witnesses except for themselves, then the testimony of one of them should be four testimony, swearing by God that he is being truthful. The fifth shall be God's curse upon him if he is one of those lying. The punishment will be averted from her if she testifies four times by God that he is of the liars. The fifth shall be that God's curse is upon her if he is speaking the truth. All this is from God's favor upon you and His mercy. God is Forgiving, Wise.
According to the above mentioned verses in the Quran Quran, a wife who is accused of adultery, can not be punished unless she admits that she has commited adultery. It is impossible to punish someones wife for adultery if she testifies that that her husband is lying. Because if she testifies that that her husband is lying, then the punishment will be averted from her (whether she has commited adultery or not). This law proves that Quran-oriented islam is a deen (way of life) that emphasises mercy and forgiveness over punishment.
Does anyone know if the above mentioned law is included in the Sharia of traditional islam?
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The impossibility of punishing a wife for adultery
Those who accuse their wives, but they have no witnesses except for themselves, then the testimony of one of them should be four testimony, swearing by God that he is being truthful. The fifth shall be God's curse upon him if he is one of those lying. The punishment will be averted from her if she testifies four times by God that he is of the liars. The fifth shall be that God's curse is upon her if he is speaking the truth. All this is from God's favor upon you and His mercy. God is Forgiving, Wise.
According to the above mentioned verses in the Quran Quran, a wife who is accused of adultery, can not be punished unless she admits that she has commited adultery. It is impossible to punish someones wife for adultery if she testifies that that her husband is lying. Because if she testifies that that her husband is lying, then the punishment will be averted from her (whether she has commited adultery or not). This law proves that Quran-oriented islam is a deen (way of life) that emphasises mercy and forgiveness over punishment.
Does anyone know if the above mentioned law is included in the Sharia of traditional islam?
boviously it applies the same if it is the wife who accuses the husband. The onlything the Qur'an makes the case of the wife, because the male supremacism has rather vore down very heavily on women. In Europe it has been the same or worse. Aman could commit as mus adultries as he pleased it was legal. The only thing that he did not entertain the coadulterers in the family home. Adultery of women on the other hand was always a crime. It wa slegal for men to insult wives, but no the opposite, many things.
So the Qur'an makes the case of the woman because in general it would be very unlikely that anybody undertook prosecution of a male adulterer. And the important ayas in this case I think are not those that speak of zina but those that speak about slandering and defamation, particularly of women. See aya 23
Those who slander chaste women, indiscreet but believing, are cursed in this life and in the Hereafter for them is a grievous Penalty,-
So, you see, a woman may be indiscreet, but any person who slanders her is curse and there is an awful punishment for him-her in store.
The whole trust of this first part of sura An-nur is the condemnation and serious warning about slandering, gossiping and defamation particularly of women. The stting of the penalty for zina, requiring four witneses, something impossible to get unless there is general public pornography running, is putting a final barrier to the use of maligning women to beat them into submission and to make them permanently liable to be get rid of by slandering them. Either you get four witnesses, either you shut up and do not go around spewing venom. And if you accuse and have not four witnesses you are punished and are inhabilitated as a witness.
That is the gist of these ayas as far as I can judge.
Salaam
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Many men, unfortunately, consider this situations as something of an advantage, they "take" something for nothing. Some acquisition for their actives of worldly success. They do not love themselves but their worldly image of themselves. Somebody who loves himself would act like Yusuf, somebody who loves his worldly image will go for "it".
It is a kind of adolatry of the world.
Salaam
Peace huruf, all
I agree with your view. Throughout history, it seems that many men have choosed the "pursuit of pleasures" instead of choosing the pursuit of justice. In this post I would like to share some interesting Quranic verses about The Pursuit of Pleasures. I would also like to share a Quranic verse about The Middlepath. From my analysis of different Quranic verses, there are 3 types of people in the world 1. Those who choose this life over the next world. 2. Those who abandon this life completely (Ascetism/Monasticism). 3. Those who choose both this world and the next world (The Middlepath). I would also like to share a Quranic verse about Worshippers Vs Servants. The verse I am going to share, explains the difference between those who worship the God and those who serve the God.
The Pursuit of Pleasures
BUT, ALAS, among those generations before your time there were no people endowed with any virtue146 - who would speak out against the corruption on earth -except the few of them whom We saved , whereas those who were bent on evildoing only pursued pleasures which corrupted their whole being, and so lost themselves in sinning.
Until - after We shall have taken to task, through suffering, those from among them who are lost in the pursuit of pleasures they cry out in supplication.
For whenever We sent a warner to any community, those of its people who had lost themselves entirely in the pursuit of pleasures would declare, Behold, we deny that there is any truth in your message!"
GOD GRANTS abundant sustenance, or gives it in scant measure, unto whomever He wills; and they rejoice in the life of this world - even though, as compared with the life to come, the life of this world is nought but -a fleeting pleasure.
For, behold, in times gone by they were wont to abandon themselves wholly to the pursuit of pleasures,
"If your fathers and your sons and your brothers and your spouses and your clan, and the worldly goods which you have acquired, and the commerce whereof you fear a decline, and the dwellings in which you take pleasure - are dearer to you than God and His Apostle and the struggle in His cause, then wait until God makes manifest His will; and God does not grace iniquitous folk with His guidance."
Do not try to flee, but return to all that gave you pleasure and corrupted your whole being.and to your homes, so that you might be called to account !''
The Middlepath
Some of them say, "Our Lord, give us good in this world, and good in the Hereafter, and spare us from the retribution of the fire.
Worshippers vs Servants
Do you, perchance, regard the giving of water to pilgrims and the tending of the Inviolable House of Worship as being equal to one who believes in God and the Last Day and strives hard in God's cause? These are not equal in the sight of God. And God does not grace with His guidance people who do wrong.
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?What do you know?
It does. With some of them it does alright, alhamdulil'lah.
Salaam
There is a general list of words that are commonly used when referring to men
Strong, tall, big, handsome, studly, rough, tough, charming, robust, protective, hero, powerful, aggressive, funny, player, cocky, arrogant, hard working, nice, sexy, cutie, short, fat, fit, bald, hot, smart, guy, athletic, broad, sculpted, attractive, good guy, dependable, reliable, helpful, good friend.
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In my view, both Maryam and Yusuf are good roles models for both men and women. That being said, I agree with your view about Yusuf being a better role model for and Maryam being a better role model for women.
And Allah the Exalted has struck the example of the Wife of Pharaoh for those who have heartily believed.
When she prayed "My Sustainer Lord! Build for me by Your Grace a house in the Paradise.
And rescue me from Pharaoh and his deeds and rescue me from the people who are tyrants-evil mongers-distorters".We need to explore those in the episode.
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Yusuf, kind, beautiful, chivalrous, gentle Yusuf. Accosted because of his beauty and kindeness, and nervertheless always humble, gentle, courteous. Adream of a man. A model of manliness, of purity of faithfulness.
Accosted because of his beauty
"Beauty" perhaps does not go with a man.
?What do you know?
It does. With some of them it does alright, alhamdulil'lah.
Salaam
There is a general list of words that are commonly used when referring to men
Strong, tall, big, handsome, studly, rough, tough, charming, robust, protective, hero, powerful, aggressive, funny, player, cocky, arrogant, hard working, nice, sexy, cutie, short, fat, fit, bald, hot, smart, guy, athletic, broad, sculpted, attractive, good guy, dependable, reliable, helpful, good friend.
laugh ;D laugh
@ Sister huruf & Brother Mazhar
Interesting conversation, indeed. ;D
Salm.
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?What do you know?
It does. With some of them it does alright, alhamdulil'lah.
Salaam
Agreed. Takeru Satoh comes to mind as Kenshin and I would use the word beautiful, even pretty.
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Peace sushi1992, all,
In my view, both Maryam and Yusuf are good roles models for both men and women. That being said, I agree with your view about Yusuf being a better role model for and Maryam being a better role model for women.
I think Joseph was a very good example. But some people claim that Abraham is the best example for both men and women. The Quran seems to confirm this view.
Here are some interesting verses about Abraham
Who is better in the system than one who peacefully surrenders himself to God, and is a good doer, and he followed the creed of Abraham in monotheism? God took Abraham as a friend.
Who would abandon the creed of Abraham except one who fools himself? We have selected him in this world, and in the Hereafter, he is of the reformers.
VERILY, Abraham was a man who combined within himself all virtues, devoutly obeying God's will, turning away from all that is false, and not being of those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God
They say, "Be Jews or Christians, then you will be guided." Say, "Nay! Ours is the Creed of Abraham the upright. He turned away from all that is false, and he was not an idolater in any sense.
Thus We showed Abraham the kingdom of heavens and earth, so that he will be of those who have certainty.
I God wanted to say that He considers Ibrahim a better model than others, He would say so plainly, wihtout us having to guess. The fact is that people are different, we all are different, and circumstances also for everybody are different, therefore God gives all kinds of examples for all of us, for all of us to follow what comes easier to us. It is not for nothing that the Qur'an insists that God wants to make things easy for us, that is as easy as doable without loosing in effectiveness. Why think that you have to be like Ibrahim, if it comes to you easier to be like Ayub? Was Ayub not good and intimate of God? What if it comes to you to be like Salih, or like any other prophet that is not in the Qur'an but still did teach and guide his or her people? All ways lead to God. God did not give us just one prophet, He says He sent many, many, to every people He sent warners. He did not estab lish ranks but specific missions, but as to lessons of faithfulness, all are models and worth following that the Qur'an certifies that. When it says khatam an-nabiyin, it means prophets are all one, are the "army of God" to defend the peoples, to guide them, to warn them, to be UNITED, not to quarrel over this prophet is better or the other is the best. They are one under one khatam. If they preached what the Qur'an teaches and they guide, we have to thank God for them, and not pick except by natural need of this rather than that example, but to use not to disdain others or grade them. We are not their masters or judges. God is their and our Master and Judge. Our mission is to learn and be thankful.
Prophets are one and they are not a males club, but a spiritual communion with the Rahman, Rahim, Rabb al 3lamin.
Salaam