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    Ayd
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    Assalam aleykum.

    If you paryed (maybe severel times) and then remembered that you forgot to do ablution (wudu or ghusl) should you redo your prayer?
    I know there is a lot of information about this in the internet and almost everyone say that your prayers then invalid and you must redo them.
    But i did not see any proof for that. On the contrary there are a lot of hadiths when you do something wrong in prayer, for example if you turn to right dirrection or even forget rakaahs, you don't have to redo your prayers.
    And also does not Quran says "Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or fall into error" 2286.

    Please if you have any hadith when our prophet (sas) said to redo prayers if you forget ablution please post it.

    Thank you all.

    P.S.
    Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) said, ?Allah does not accept any Prayer if a person breaks his wudu?, until he does wudu??
    This hadith does not say anything about forgeting ablution. If you insist that it does and you should understand it letteraly, then what if you break your wudu but did not notice, then your prayers will not be accepted as you have to understand the hadith litteraly.

    Also there is a hadith about fasting during ramadan. When you forgot and it something then it is as if Allah (awt) had feed you, and your fast is not broke and you do not have to fast extra for that day. Is this not another reason that you do not have to redo your prayers if you forgot ablution.

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      Man_of_Faith
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      Peace,

      Oh no, you will be condemned to eternal Hell!!! Repent or you will be lost forever!

      Joke aside. I do not believe in these Pagan practices so from my point of view you commit more sin in adhering to inventions as if it was decreed by The Almighty.

      Have faith

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        JavaLatte
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        Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him take him to the Court and execute justice upon him)

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          Birdy
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          Peace sun

          why you burden yourself?

          Isn't it in human nature to forget smth.? God is Mercifull, it wasn't your intention.

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            hicham9
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            If you paryed (maybe severel times) and then remembered that you forgot to do ablution (wudu or ghusl) should you redo your prayer?

            Ablution (as prescribed in the Scripture alone, ie. Quran 56) is a MUST before each of the three prayer sessions. Imo, forgetting such a crucial step denotes your lack of seriousness. The prayer sessions should be observed at their stipulated timings (4103). That is at Dawn, Dusk, and Night (11114). Hence, a Quran-alone follower ought to perform ablution 3 times a day (before each prayer).

            This is my humble understanding, and G-D knows best.


            SLM

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              Man_of_Faith
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              You know, 'must' is a strong word. So will I be doomed to eternal Hell now?

              Be of one with God

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                hicham9
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                You know, 'must' is a strong word.

                How about should?

                So will I be doomed to eternal Hell now?

                How would I know!?

                SLM

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                  hafeez_kazi
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                  Peace hicham

                  O you who have believed, do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated until you know what you are saying or in a state of janabah, except those passing through , until you have washed . And if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and find no water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and your hands . Indeed, Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving. (An-Nisaa 43)

                  Ablution (as prescribed in the Scripture alone, ie. Quran 56) is a MUST before each of the three prayer sessions.

                  If ablution is a MUST then why left out in the above verse?

                  You can pray WITHOUT ABLUTION = MANIFEST EVIDENCE 443

                  YOU CANNOT PRAY WITHOUT ABLUTION = NO EVIDENCE

                  http//i.snag.gy/0rrm3.jpg http//i.snag.gy/X5RFf.jpg

                  O you who have believed, WHEN you RISE/WAKE UP (from sleep) for the prayer THEN wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles (and when you RISE/WAKE UP from sleep for the prayer) and if you are in a state of impurity / pollution, THEN clean / wash the impurity / pollution.

                  AWAKE Stop sleeping Wake from sleep

                  Please focus on the word WHEN and THEN

                  Had it been a command for SALAT then there would have been no WHEN and THEN.

                  Two restrictions for offering SALAT and and there is no such restriction for women when they are menstruating and neither is the restriction to approach the prayer without wadhu.

                  WADHU is neither a PART of the SALAT nor a DO of the SALAT.

                  It is a DO after rising from the bed for SALAT.

                  Thanks

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                    hicham9
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                    Peace be unto you Kazi,

                    Your argument is predicated upon the presumption that gnba (&#1575 denotes "impurity" (ie. ganabah = a state of ceremonial impurity)! I, however, I'm of the opinion that GNB denotes "remoteness" (in 443)..

                    SLM

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                      Wakas
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                      peace hk,

                      Please focus on the word WHEN and THEN

                      Had it been a command for SALAT then there would have been no WHEN and THEN.

                      I don't follow this part, please clarify.

                      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                        hafeez_kazi
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                        Peace Wakas

                        "When" is referring to an action which is before Salat and THEN is referring to that action which is done. The question that arises is that why should we Stand before Salat? and after standing for salat THEN we should perform Wadhu?

                        Literally it means that you should first stand for salat and THEN perform wadhu and if someone is already standing then what shall he do?

                        The verse further continues "AND IF YOU ARE UNCLEAN/POLLUTED THEN PURIFY" Again this is very well connected to "STAND FOR PRAYER" Both these actions are after STANDING for salat.

                        The purification is subject to standing for salat (OR WAKING FROM SLEEP for salat) and pollution and wadhu is subject to standing for salat (OR WAKING FROM SLEEP for salat)

                        So be patient, , over what they say and exalt with praise of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before its setting, (Qaaf 39)

                        O you who have believed, spend from that which We have provided for you before there comes a Day in which there is no exchange and no friendship and no intercession. And the disbelievers - they are the wrongdoers. (Al-Baqara 254)

                        I believe that if it was a command for the Salat then it would been addressed in the above way. The most appropriate words would have been "perform wadhu before offering salat" OR "perform wadhu for salat"

                        I believe that Allah never forgets and if Wadhu was mandatory then no one has the power to stop Him from including wadhu along with pollution and intoxication as a prohibition to approach salat in verse 443

                        Thanks.

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                          Man_of_Faith
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                          It is so tragic to see the salat deception runs so deep...

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                            hafeez_kazi
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                            It is so tragic to see the salat deception runs so deep...

                            Yes, indeed it is a deception but not for me, you and like minded people.

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                              hicham9
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                              It is so tragic to see the salat deception runs so deep...

                              Yes, indeed it is a deception but not for me, you and like minded people.

                              This unevidenced claim is just plain silly!

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                                good_logic
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                                Peace hicham9.

                                Tomorrow

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                                  hicham9
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                                  Looking forward to it )

                                  SLM

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                                    good_logic
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                                    Peace hicham9

                                    Tomorrow( I will finish my sentence) in front of GOD we are going to be asked about our claims! yes all of us.

                                    So I would not worry too much.
                                    GOD bless you.
                                    Peace.

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                                      Man_of_Faith
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                                      No. It is not without evidence. I have discussed it before.

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                                        hicham9
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                                        A link would be nice!

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                                          JavaLatte
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                                          To my knowledge, ablution is not an obligatory preparation before prayer/supplication.

                                          However, most likely, ablution (based on Qur'an 56) is standard preparation before performing SALAT.

                                          Salm.

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