Mubaarak Eid El Fidtr
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Dear All
Celebrations not allowed in Quran
Eid is sunny invention against Allah, His Quran and His Rasuls.
We have to follow Allah and Follow Rasul.
Can one show an ayat that allows you to celebrate a day with joy and happiness?Fear Allah more!
Pray for forgiveness and fear the torment of AllahAllah
Al Qahhar, Al HakimCan you quote an ayat where God says for us not to have any joy or happiness in our lives? Are we supposed to live lives of misery?
Please show me ayat where God says for us not to have any celebrations, and I will no longer use Quran as my guide.6.017. "If God touch thee with affliction, none can remove it but He; if He touch thee with happiness, He hath power over all things.
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Peace,
I dont really believe in an Eid festival being sanctioned by God, and thus for me to practice it as if God commanded such would be shirk (IMO). However, dr.fazl I see nowhere in the Quran where God says that we should not hold any celebrations. I simply choose not to celebrate a 'religious' festivity, that the imams will claim is sanctioned by God.Peace
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Salam all,
Does anyone else get a little "depressed" when Eid comes along? I do. I get grouchy when Eid comes, because this is the time we're supposed to be "happy Muslims" and kissing each other, and visiting relatives and making small talk. I've never been one for that, especially when a lot of my husband's relatives speak little English.
Eid is also the only time of year my husband asks me to go to the mosque. Like I've said in earlier posts, he's a traditional Muslim, but not very strict. He'll fast and pray for the month of Ramadhan and then take it easy the rest of the year. But he believes it's important to go to the mosque for Eid prayer. We've debated this every year, and in recent years, I've just stayed home instead. I just get so uncomfortable in the mosque, with all the hadiths and the Arabic sayings that I don't understand and the bowing and everything else. But, this time, I went, mainly to please my husband.It wasn't so bad. I just found a quiet corner and sat quietly until the khubta (sp?) was done.
But back to what I was writing about earlier, I get depressed at times I am expected to be happy Islamically. Does this make any sense?
Lynn
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Salaam Lynn,
I'm guessing if it does not make you happy how shall you expect it to make you happy? If you know of a way to attain happiness during it then shoot for it. If not, it's one of your days that is not looked forward to, kind of like Saturdays are to me since I've got a 4 hour math class then. The prospect of happy muslimas does kind of leave the doors open to finding a girl.
Joe
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Eid Mubarak all
Peace Lynn
yeah this time of year gets me grouchy too. I went to Eid prayers this year but couldn't get into the mosque - too many people!
But if I really question myself I find the reason I get grouchy is a touch of arrogance on my part. Somewhere in my heart I an bearing a grudge against all these muslims who I never see the rest of the year and whom I suspect of being muslims only in the nominal sense. Thats wrong of me - and its against Gods commands in 1585
And We did not create the heavens and the earth and what is between them two but in truth; and the hour is most surely coming, so turn away with kindly forgiveness.
I need to be more forgiving, more ready to overlook their faults and much less arrogant about my own adherence to Islam. In this way I think other muslims - particularly born muslims - are like a test to us and Allah is watching to see how well we deal with that test.
So congratulations to you on making it to the masjid with your husband and in putting up with all bunch of ritual you find alien to your understanding of Islam before God. May you be rewarded for your patient perseverence. D
peace
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Salaam All,
To me it is the busiest time of the year. We have a big family gathering for the breakfast, in the morning. And then a bigger family gathering for lunch, in another house, and now we are going for the evening gathering in yet another house. Some would sleep over there.
We would meet with the far relatives in those gatherings. And not just the relatives but also friends and their friends, etc..There are too many children who have it as big time, collecting "Eidiyah" = money gifts specially given in these days. Children would still receive this Eidiyah until the age they graduate from university. The servants also look forward to these days because they can get more money than they can earn in months, so they are really REALLY happy. And us too, because we miss the details of the lives of the far relatives and long-time-no-see friends, so it is so much fun to talk and laugh and share good news,etc...
I've got to run now. See you later!Taj
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In all honesty, I really do not have any interest in celebrating Eid. Secondly, since Quran doesn't talk about any Eid celebration, that's another reason I do not deal with it. But if others choose to celebrate it, then let them. )
I do not know any Muslims near me. The ones who are near me are Sunnis, mostly Arabs, and I know I wouldn't fit in anyhow since I would be expected to Arabicise myself into their version of Islam. After introducing myself to one Muslim woman dressed from head to toe in Arab "Islamic" hijab at a grocery store, and she gave me the once over with her eyes, I knew I didn't belong in their club. So, I just stopped saying hello to Muslims or trying to talk to them.
Also, since only being Muslim 3 years, I'm still sort of trapped in the Christmas celebration of my mother and stepfather. I don't "celebrate" it myself, but do go over there and spend time with them on Christmas day.
Christmas really, really annoys me with its blatant commercialism, Christmas music and so forth. So this time of year is depressing for me because of Christmas. lol -
I totally agree with sister Fishari. Let us not forbid what GOD has not forbidden.
Wala taqooloo lima tasifualsinatukumu alkathiba hatha halalunwahatha haramun litaftaroo AAala Allahialkathiba inna allatheena yaftaroona AAalaAllahi alkathiba la yuflihoona
But say not - for any false thing that your tongues may put forth,- "This is lawful, and this is forbidden," so as to ascribe false things to Allah. For those who ascribe false things to Allah, will never prosper.Hussein
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Salaam Feshari, Hussein and All,
There is a Hadeeth that is said to be told by Prophet Muhammad(P&PBUH) to the Muslims around him, that goes something like that " Play and entertain yourselves, so that your religion won't be thought of as harsh/rigid!"Hadiths is sure way to hell!
Feshari, AMS377, haltif, Taj
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Know that this world's life is only sport and play and gaiety and boasting among yourselves, and a vying in the multiplication of wealth and children, like the rain, whose causing the vegetation to grow, pleases the husbandmen, then it withers away so that you will see it become yellow, then it becomes dried up and broken down; and in the hereafter is a severe chastisement; and forgiveness from Allah and pleasure; and this world's life is naught but goods and chattels of deception.Put off celebrations for a while. Fear Allah more for what we have earned for ourselves rejecting His Warnings
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Salaam Drfazl,
Do you not ever gather with all your relatives!? Do you not ever miss them!? Do you not ever want to know their news and the news of their children and their elderly? Do you not ever want to share with them their hopes and their fears? Do you not ever wish them the best and show them your love and support!? Do you not ever give/receive gifts!? How do you deal with your roots, your womb/blood connections!? How can you deal with all the feelings and emotions you have for them!? Doesn't closeness appeal to you!?
Do you, at all, smile!? A cheerful/open/kind face is one great charity that costs practically nothingTaj
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Salaam Tony,
but we should not celebrate them thinking we are going to earn credits in heaven.
Why not!? You can be sure that for everything good you do you will earn hasanat, whether that thing was detailed in the Quran or not.
And sometimes I, personally, would do things not because I like doing them but because I know that they will earn me hasanat, so what is wrong with that!?Taj
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Peace Taj,
Do you not ever gather with all your relatives!? Do you not ever miss them!? Do you not ever want to know their news and the news of their children and their elderly? Do you not ever want to share with them their hopes and their fears? Do you not ever wish them the best and show them your love and support!? Do you not ever give/receive gifts!? How do you deal with your roots, your womb/blood connections!? How can you deal with all the feelings and emotions you have for them!? Doesn't closeness appeal to you!?
Do you, at all, smile!? A cheerful/open/kind face is one great charity that costs practically nothing )Absolutely, but almost all my ties with my family members, relatives and even some of my good old firends have been cut off, if not totally. This is mainly because of "religious reasons" (leaving their community in which I was born in - the worst of the so-called Muslim kind) and somewhat "family matters". All I have is my wife and kids, and a couple of outside friends whom I am very seldom in touch with.
On the contrary, Eid is not the only time when one meets/visits their family members, relatives or friends just to be in touch or to get together. That is far-fetched and is simply based on "religious grounds", I beleive.
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Peace be upon you all,
Pain < PEACE > Pleasure
We are the balanced community, so we should strive to be have a peaceful state of mind. TOO MUCH of anything other than peace is not beneficial. So I do understand what Doctor is saying, but we have to also keep in mind that we cannot prohibit what the God has not prohibited.
Regarding "Eid", this reading(quran) speaks nothing about it, so why celebrate a day connected with a sectarian ritual?
Regarding seeing family and friends, I am sure we can develop our own holiday once we understand the true system. Other than that, one should not set aside only one day in which to see your family and friends, that is a shame.
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Peace All,
The fact is, many of us come from a background where "Eid" is celebrated as a holiday that is only for the "Muslims." roll Many of us have grown up with this, especially in the West as the "Muslim" alternative to Christmas. Maybe that's why it was started in the first place (though I don't have facts to back that up). Now I always grew up thinking that Christmas was such a bad thing, and if you took part in any festivities you were no longer "Muslim" (nevermind that half of my family is Christian). So maybe Eid and other holidays aren't sanctioned by God. So what? Does it really matter if you decide to celebrate or not, so long as you know this. Regardless of how the holiday started, holidays are supposed to be a time of joy, peace and blessings, because although we try, it just isn't like this everyday.
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Peace be upon you,
Does it really matter if you decide to celebrate or not
The God tells us to reflect on the merging of the day and night. Ity is a GRADUAL transformation which most miss until it gets dark and they say" WOW, it sure got dark fast!
There is another reminder to be mindful of the WOMBS that bore you.
What we are to be doing is developing a CULTURE that will grow children and adults who are still children spiritually into adults(inner and outer).
What do we add to the CULTURE by celebrating Jesus Birthday? What if the major holiday where we all lived was Satan's Birthday, would we celebrate that just to be with friends and family and be joyful? Lets suppose that the reason Satans birthday started to be celebrated was no longer valid, even still , would we celebrate SATANS birthday holiday?
The WOMBS that bore us are our CULTURE that feeds us the visions that grow us, gradually, like the merging of day and night. What vision do we get from the righteous joining the hypocrites and rejectors in celebration of THIER PHILOSOPHY? How does that "grow" us?
I am not saying we should walk around that say looking angry, no, we should always be at peace, we can hold a smile, but we must remain firm on our principles of truth and the God say s NEVER concel the truth while you know, or mix the truth with falsehood.
There is a difference in going to see your family those days, but singing christmas carols and giving cards etc , that is celebrating.