QATAL

1CELOSTNOWFOUND

Peace,

Does anyone here know how much merit Lanes entry for the root has? His entry on the first form of the verb is exclusively describing knowing something thoroughly or very well.

Imraan

bkanwar2

This is exactly the meanings of the root and not to kill someone. This is another example how meanings of Quran are changed at roots.

Regards,

Man_of_Faith

Yes, I would say that it is correct as you suggested from the dictionary in this case.

Be of one with God

si_di

There are a lot of verses which are mostly translated as "to kill" for q-t-l,and they can be wrong look this is one i guess is not translated well.

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602254.30

Man_of_Faith

Peace,

I would disagree about any killing for the word in question.

Be of one with God

mmkhan

Peace,

I would disagree about any killing for the word in question.

Be of one with God

Peace,

I agree with you. alQuraan is not violent book, it is the book of peace. So, no killing or war is mentioned.

There are a lot of verses which are mostly translated as "to kill" for q-t-l,and they can be wrong look this is one i guess is not translated well.

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602254.30

Please let me know how many prophets and messengers fought or do war in the path of Allah from alQuraan. Fortunately, I don't find any yet, alhamduliAllah.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

hicham9

To put to death to kill; to slay; to slaughter; to execute; to eliminate; ...

Examples from the Qurn

{429} -
and kill ye not yourselves; for G-D is Merciful to you.

{6151} -
and slay not the soul which G-D hath made sacred, except by right (i.e. in the course of justice)

{2833} -
he (Moses) said My Lord, I have slain a soul from (among) them, thus I fear lest they should slay me

... Etc!

Man_of_Faith

Going to take a closer look at that word at some point.

Be of one with God

hawk99

To put to death to kill; to slay; to slaughter; to execute; to eliminate; ...

Examples from the Qurn

{429} -
and kill ye not yourselves; for G-D is Merciful to you.

{6151} -
and slay not the soul which G-D hath made sacred, except by right (i.e. in the course of justice)

{2833} -
he (Moses) said My Lord, I have slain a soul from (among) them, thus I fear lest they should slay me

... Etc!

Agreed

And He brought down those who supported them among the People of the Scripture from their
fortresses and cast terror into their hearts a party you killed, and you took captive a party.

And He caused you to inherit their land and their homes and their properties and a land which you
have not trodden. And ever is Allah , over all things, competent.

Peace,

I agree with you. alQuraan is not violent book, it is the book of peace. So, no killing or war is mentioned.

Peace mmkhan,

what is in ayat 47/4? and in 5/64?

God bless

peace

bkanwar2

Agreed

Peace mmkhan,

what is in ayat 47/4? and in 5/64?

God bless

peace

Harab, does not mean, war, battle. How long and how much evidence will it take, for believers of Quran, for you to wake up from your slumber?

Regards,

good_logic

Peace bakanwar2.

As far as evidence so far suggests ,those who think they have" awakaned" are walking like "zombies " .

I rather stay asleep than be in total confusion?

Please translate

If "yaktulun" is not "end their life"( kill) what does it mean then?

I agree some have made a mockery out of verses of Qoran, but other modern day reformers are going to the other extreme.

May the Lord relieve the "fog" form His true seekers.

GOD bless you.
Peace.

si_di

Quote from si di on Today at 040302 AM

There are a lot of verses which are mostly translated as "to kill" for q-t-l,and they can be wrong look this is one i guess is not translated well.

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602254.30

Please let me know how many prophets and messengers fought or do war in the path of Allah from alQuraan. Fortunately, I don't find any yet, alhamduliAllah.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

I think you've misunderstood my writing or you didn't read the link for the correction of this vers instead to translat it "to kill yourself" i wrote that it doesn't make sense and instead i gave the example of to improve oneself.

There is only one Messenger as far as i know in Sura 18 who is killing the young man but as i already wrote it is a Vision in my opinion or a alagorical message and not to be passed over in reality.

Stay connected

1CELOSTNOWFOUND

Peace,

Thank you all for your replies. I have a question for those who hold the view that QTL does not have anything to do with fighting or killing. Have you managed to resolve all occurrences with an alternate understanding? If it has been discussed before, please post a link to the thread.

Thanks,

Imraan

mmkhan

I think you've misunderstood my writing or you didn't read the link for the correction of this vers instead to translat it "to kill yourself" i wrote that it doesn't make sense and instead i gave the example of to improve oneself.

There is only one Messenger as far as i know in Sura 18 who is killing the young man but as i already wrote it is a Vision in my opinion or a alagorical message and not to be passed over in reality.

Stay connected

Peace si di,

No no, I did not misunderstood your reply. But I wrote in addition to what you posted.
Sorry for not clarifying it (

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan