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Language barrier and Quran

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    Cloudylemonade
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    Salam everyone,

    I know that the purpose of sending the Quran in Arabic was to protect it however I have been told numerous times that the Quran Arabic is hard even for native Arabic speakers. How then are we supposed to study it properly and understand it by relying on translations which are sometimes so different from each other? Everything I read I cross reference and look at a variety of different opinion and explanations and normally go with the one that is the most logical or has the most persuasive argument. This has probably what led me to this website and the idea of Quran only. Any opinions on this will be gratefully received.

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      good_logic
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      Peace Cloudylemonade.

      It all depends on why you want to study Qoran?

      What is your intention?

      The reason ,according to Qoran,must be a clean/honest/sincere/...heart. i.e to seek guidance/ways/...from the Creator.

      Any other motif/ves,for example to find faults,to ridicule,to oppose...Will be a waste of time?

      Let me elaborate further, the Qoran is accessible to the believers, regardless of their language (4144). This explains a profound phenomenon the believers who do not know Arabic know the Qoran better than the Arabic speaking who do not give it any value or misuse it.
      Because of the invisible forces serving the Qoran, it is readily and enjoyably accessible to the sincere believers, and utterly inaccessible to the unbelievers (1745, 1857, 5679).

      Unlike any other book, the Qoran is taught by God (551-2); He teaches us what we need at the time we need it. This is why we read the Qoran hundreds of times and still keep deriving new and valuable information every time.

      So adjust your mindset and do not let any translators cloud your judgement .i.e start fresh.

      GOD bless you.
      Peace.

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        reel
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        Allah said in Quran that any verse he gives will be taught by him. This is how Quran works. It is true that english translations are not always correct.

        1. Have classical Arabic dictionaries. This site is also great http//corpus.quran.com/concept.jsp?id=islam

        2. Look for ways a word has been used in other verses.

        3. Read the Surah or the verses that fall before and after the specific verse you are trying to understand.

        4. In case of grammatical confusion, you may ask the members of this forum.

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          Man_of_Faith
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          I would not rely on dictionaries to any wider extent. They are little reliable although may be useful if you find some alternative meaning hidden in the falsehood. Arabic words have only one meaning so if you found it you know what it means everywhere. And Arabic words have a "painting" formula of interpretation and describe what it wants to convey, and may still be used differently in a context so the combination of words create different meanings.

          Arabic (at least the ancient one in Quran) is probably one of the easiest languages in the world thanks to its painting of words out from an innate meaning of letters. Hence is it also easy to correct a false interpretation if one is perceptive. It is like a code pattern. If one knows the (true) roots from which Arabic works from then it becomes much easier, and I would not rely too much upon so called scholars.

          Most Arabic words work out from a trilateral root and the order in which the various symbols are determine topic, "manipulation type", physical or abstract etc. The "alefs" help to create state of being on the respective letter it is followed by or if an alef is prior to a word then you say "be + word", and by 'be' means the condition of "being".

          Markers on alef (hamza etc) are just inventions if you ask me, but decide yourself.

          or give specified or unspecified person-substance in the context.

          marks entity and entity with character.

          means something like "thereby" while character thereby.

          One must remember they carry the simplest possible abstract meaning. Even how the letters occur in formation determine how to understand them.

          Usually unless specified both men and women are addressed in the context and this has caused the scripture to seem very patriarchal due to misunderstanding.

          Not all styles of Arabic script are correct either because certain words must be written out in a certain manner for someone knowledgeable to fully know what you mean.

          Be of one with God

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            Noon_waalqalami
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            I know that the purpose of sending the Quran in Arabic was to protect it ...

            Peace Cloudylemonade,

            144 and not sent we from messenger except in tongue/speech/language folk his to clarify for them so lets stray the god whom wills and guides whom wills and he the mighty the wise

            4144 and in case made we it Qur?an of foreign (language) would say they of why not explained verses its foreign (language) and Arab? say it to the those believe they of guidance and healing and the ones not believing in ears theirs deafness and it over them blindness surely those being called from place distant

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              huruf
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              Can't remember the aya, but there is one that says to get the BEST meaning of any aya of the Qur'an and of course of the whole of it.

              People who for example, try to extract by hook or crook that the aya 4.34 enjoings beating the woman, are they really extracting the best meaning out of the aya. Obviously not. If you bring to the learning the the Quran all the filth you an gather it is a fact that the Qur'an likely will give you twice that filth. If you bring a pure heart to it, you will get much greater purity. So what tdetermines what you get from the Qur'an is you yourself, excep that God wants to dispose otherwise. But it is mainly the reader who sets the retribution of reading the Qur'an, the purer your intentions, the purer the message you will get. That is in general so, with mostly anything, but very particularly so with the Qur'an.

              Salaam

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                Mazhar
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                Why is it necessary to acquire skill for real-time translation of Grand Qur'aan when more than hundred translations are readily available?

                There are two reasons. Real-time translation is an intense activity of one's own brain. Reading a translation is near-passive activity, or involves less intellectual effort. Reading a translation may add to one's information-archive but may not necessarily enhance his level of understanding. Grand Qur'aan, a non-fiction book, aims at successively increasing the level of intellectual understanding of its reader to ascensions beyond the physical realms. A real-time system is one which "controls an environment by receiving data, processing them, and returning the results sufficiently quickly to affect the environment at that time." Ability of real-time translation will enable to perceive those beauties and niceties of the words and sounds of Arabic text which all translations will lack, however profound and scholarly they might be. If environmentally we have never experienced this result despite having read dozens of translations and exegeses, it is time that we should try acquiring skill for real-time translation to synchronize our selves with the Words of Allah the Exalted

                Know the certain fact We have simplified-rendered the Grand Qur'aan easy, open and facilitative for reading, comprehension and saving in memory to recall, take lesson and to relate.

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                  Man_of_Faith
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                  99.9% of all translations are wrong anyway. This is why translations are not trustworthy although some are better than others, or rather less worse than others.

                  Have faith

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                    Shogunsami
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                    If 99.9 percent translation are wrong means the understanding of 99.9 % of so called scholars are also wrong. Personally I don't think quran is in Arabic as understood by majority. The Modern Standard Arabic and the language of quran is like chalk and cheese. It could well be a different and lost language. Most likely the present day Arabic and the language of quran came from the same proto tongue. I strongly believe it is necessary to make effort in understanding the original language of quran.

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                      hicham9
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                      4144

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