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Quran-Only Women Must Shave Their Heads for Hajj

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    Kikotsu
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    Excellent question, but before I answer, what were your thoughts with regard to the questions in the article.

    So , yes ) they are critical questions especially the first one (I didn't check the links in the article because I want to have a chance to discuss the issue with you) , can you help me to have a better understanding about the verse ?

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      Wakas
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      You can read my view here
      http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-masjid-al-haram-Quran.html

      2196 And complete/fulfill the HaJJ/feast/symposium and the visit for God. So if you are prevented/held-back then (give) what is easy of the offering and do not relieve/unburden your chiefs/representatives (of this duty) until the offering reaches its permitted/lawful place**, so whoever from among you was sick or with/by him harm/annoyance from his chief/representative then a ransom from abstinence/fast or charity or observance. So when safe/secure (i.e. in the designated vicinty) then whoever benefited/enjoyed by/with the visit to the HaJJ/symposium then (give) what is easy of the offering so whoever couldn't find then an abstinence/fast three days during the HaJJ/symposium and seven when you returned, this is ten complete. That is for one whose people are not there/present (at) the inviolable time of acknowledgement and be conscious of God and know that God is severe in punishment.

      To my knowledge, it is the only understanding that works with the grammar, classical Arabic meanings, Quranic cross-reference, logic, practicality, and eliminates all the problems discussed in the article
      http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-2196-critical-thinking.html

      That is quite a bold claim, and if true, the consequences would be significant. I have not seen evidence to the contrary.

      All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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        Kikotsu
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        You can read my view here
        http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-masjid-al-haram-Quran.html

        2196 And complete/fulfill the HaJJ/feast/symposium and the visit for God. So if you are prevented/held-back then (give) what is easy of the offering and do not relieve/unburden your chiefs/representatives (of this duty) until the offering reaches its permitted/lawful place**, so whoever from among you was sick or with/by him harm/annoyance from his chief/representative then a ransom from abstinence/fast or charity or observance. So when safe/secure (i.e. in the designated vicinty) then whoever benefited/enjoyed by/with the visit to the HaJJ/symposium then (give) what is easy of the offering so whoever couldn't find then an abstinence/fast three days during the HaJJ/symposium and seven when you returned, this is ten complete. That is for one whose people are not there/present (at) the inviolable time of acknowledgement and be conscious of God and know that God is severe in punishment.

        To my knowledge, it is the only understanding that works with the grammar, classical Arabic meanings, Quranic cross-reference, logic, practicality, and eliminates all the problems discussed in the article
        http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-2196-critical-thinking.html

        That is quite a bold claim, and if true, the consequences would be significant. I have not seen evidence to the contrary.

        Thank you

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          Osman
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          This shaving of the head is a Judeo-Nazarene tradition

          Removed from its nazarene origins and context, not one of the verses in Quran about hajj is clear.

          Shaving the head is a general religious symbolic act, it doesn't 'belong' to Judeo-Nazarenes.

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            fye
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            In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

            According to the Qur'an-Only philosophy, which errantly rejects the Sunnah and Hadith as an authority in matters of Religion and religious practice, the text of the Qur'an alone is sufficient to establish all the rules, regulations and customs dealing with religious practice, including the Hajj (Pilgrimage to Mecca).

            The following is a translation of the Qur'an verse rendered by Edip Yuksel, Layth Saleh al-Shaiban, and Martha Schulte-Nafeh, in the Quran A Reformist Translation. It is this English translation which is preferred by the Qur'anist tendency

            Complete the Pilgrimage and the visit for God. But, if you are prevented, then make what is affordable of donation, and do not shave your heads until the donation reaches its destination

            As you can plainly see, the verse has made no apparent distinction between males and females. All of those who undertake the pilgrimage are instructed to shave their heads once "the donation reaches its destination".

            The question is, do Qur'anist women practically act upon this verse of the Qur'an when they undertake the pilgrimage? According to the principles of their own faith, they must.

            A Qur'anist/Qur'an-Only Woman Acting upon the Qur'anic Commandment Concerning Hajj/Pilgrimage

            A Qur'anist/Qur'an-Only Woman getting her head shaved

            In fact, nowhere in the actual text of the Qur'an is there any explicit prohibition against woman shaving their heads.

            It is only from the Hadith and Sunnah (which traditionalist Muslims follow) that there are references to prohibition of women shaving their heads or even cutting their hair short. However, Qur'anist women are apparently free to shave their heads and go bald. In fact, they are commanded to do so specifically according to the Qur'an-Only philosophy when it comes to offering the Hajj/Pilgrimage.

            this makes islam look at lot like the matrix movies but i do agree women must shave their heads as well as men i can't disprove this but the quran was sent as an instruction to men, can you reflute that reasoning?

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              Fusion
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              I think its more towards what is acceptable in a culture. Women shaving heads is awkward and hence not desirable I guess.
              Women are supposed to be with hair to match with their beauty in my opinion, again it is entirely respective to the surrounding culture
              and Physical Islam is affected by the arab culture where it is not common for women to shave their heads.

              I would like to talk about something else off topic... are there other forums similar to freeminds but where folks are more interactive, I mean they talk audio, they can add on Skype and talk as group on whatsapp. I believe there is a point when you need to have a free conversation with some one if you wanna learn past some critical point. I wish I can have a communication with some of the folks from here using audio medium.
              Cheers

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                No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                The Quran is addressed to men and the hajj at al masjid al haram is a thing of the past.

                I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                  HP_TECH
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                  The Quran is addressed to men and the hajj at al masjid al haram is a thing of the past.

                  With which authority do you make the latter claim?
                  And on what definitive evidence?

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                    Wakas
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                    Even if one considers "al hajj" a thing of the past, it doesn't change the fact the common interpretation has major problems (and can thus teach us a lot about Quran's word meanings/usage). To this day I am not aware of anyone else who has resolved the following
                    http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/Quran-2196-critical-thinking.html

                    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                      zebakhawaja
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                      The arabic masculine singular and plural pronoun in the Quran is exclusive to Man or Men and does not apply to Woman or Women.
                      God has only few verses in the Quran directed to women with the opening statement "Oh Women and Wife's,..." reffering to both unmarried and married women. So do not assume that the masculine pronouns relates to both man and woman. And Quran when written is clear when a man and women are compared, as in the verse

                      Surah Al-Ahzab - Al-Qur'an al-Kareem - ... - The Noble Quran
                      Indeed, the Muslim men and Muslim women, the believing men and believing women, the obedient men and obedient women,....

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