Help please to understand such incidents
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Salam to all,
The test to our iman starts 2/155, when one broadcasts and proclaims he is a Muslim 49/14 for Allah, forcing others 2/256 to become muslims like them and thus directly confronting the admonition 61/2,3 of Allah, without seeking Allah's help, mercy, forgiveness, forbearance, wisdom; and without fearing His judgment, without abject submission and surrender to Him, and without keeping a low profile on account of such serious handicaps and unfitnesses. And above all, we are not following Allah alone without shirk 12/106 in our moment to moment life. In life and death situations, we believe in the doctors more than believing in Allah alone, the highest and the peak level of shirk; yet we claim, why Allah has given us, muslims, this terrible agony when only as a test from Allah arrives upon one of them, because of what their own hands have wrought upon themselves; they strongly believe Allah had given them the unbearable agony 29/10, while they soulfully know well it is the miserable knowledge of their doctors whom they associated to the Mighty Wisdom of God is the sole reason. In all our walks of life, we invite upon us from all directions the dissatisfaction and the wrath of Allah. It is time we stopped associating human knowledge 4/48, 4/116 to Allah's Wisdom, and Help and Protection.
Even now we are suggesting with regard to the boy in the hospital for 13 years, that may be he will be saved if he is shifted to instrumentally better equipped hospital outside of saudi arabia, probably to USA, the sanctum sanctorum.
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Salaam drfazl,
We are too obsessed with the flesh. Separate the spirit from the flesh and one can see clearly.
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Walaikum salam Armanaziz bro,
In the case of that kid in the news article, nothing can be deduced. I have no comment on that because you saw that it didn't specify what exactly is the cause.
assume the death / disease / suffering of a child to be a result of a sin by the parents
True, but just as I said, its how parents interpret.
As for the child put to death by the servant of Allah the narration that his parents would be expecting a better child was an assurance how divine justice will be ensured for the parents, not a "reason" why the child was killed. The key learning to take away from the story is that the justification behind God's decisions are beyond human reasoning and judgement.
Yes of course. I used it as a symbol of how probably our good and bad deeds might actually influence our kids Mine future ones though P But honestly speaking, when I read the story I was thinking about "no matter how good the next kid turns out to be, during that specific time, they had to mourn for the death of the "future bad" one. No comment about Allah ) His way of work is truly unique!
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Salam Reel.
Great that we can find some common ground to agree.
The Moses and Slave of Allah story in Sura Al-Kahf again takes me back to the novel/movie analogy that I made at the 2nd post of this thread. If you ask a novelist why he killed a character in his story - the novelist will not give a moral justification, rather she will explain how the death fits into the plot of the novel - that's all. When the slave of Allah is explaining why the boy had to die - he is taking a similar stance - he is just explaining how the death of the boy fits into the overall plot that Allah is creating. He is not giving a moral or a logical justification, because Allah is not bound by human morality and logic. And that is the key essence of the story.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
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Salam Reel.
Great that we can find some common ground to agree.
The Moses and Slave of Allah story in Sura Al-Kahf again takes me back to the novel/movie analogy that I made at the 2nd post of this thread. If you ask a novelist why he killed a character in his story - the novelist will not give a moral justification, rather she will explain how the death fits into the plot of the novel - that's all. When the slave of Allah is explaining why the boy had to die - he is taking a similar stance - he is just explaining how the death of the boy fits into the overall plot that Allah is creating. He is not giving a moral or a logical justification, because Allah is not bound by human morality and logic. And that is the key essence of the story.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
ArmanThose things we dont agree upon are just trivial and we both know that we are accountable to Allah and not to humans about them. But the major thing we agree upon is that we need Quran only Its good talk about the issues regarding it no matter how much we disagree or agree. Thats how Islam flourished before Mr Bukhari popped up.
I can see now the explanation of Khidr. I didnt think like that before. Thank you for it bro.
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Salam all,
It has been a while since I participated in this site but could not help myself to share with you my comments.Sometime we can not understand the wisdom behind many incidents simply because our knowledge is Very Limited compare to God's and will always stay that way....Therefore, we need to learn when to quit trying to figure out the reason behind some incidents. Here an example of an example from Quran that teaches us how limited we are when it comes to knowing the FUTURE.
1866 Moses said to him "Can I follow you so that you will teach me from the guidance you have been taught?"
1867 He said "You will not be able to have patience with me."
1868 "And how can you be patient about that which you have not been given any news?"1874 So they ventured forth until they came upon a youth, and he killed him. He said "Have you killed an innocent person without justice? You have done something awful!"
1875 He said "Did I not tell you that you will not be able to have patience with me?"
1876 He said "If I ask you about anything after this, then do not keep me in your company. You will then have a reason over me."1880 "And as for the youth, his parents were believers, so we were concerned that he would oppress them by his transgression and disbelief."
1881 "So we wanted their Lord to replace for them with one who is better than him in purity and closer to mercy."