Kaaba Mecca and Jerusalem
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Personally I do not believe in that at all. It is all a hoax. I have done a linguistic analysis and the word appears to be one and the same but with different prefix and not refer to a location.
Have faith
Anyway, Im curious, are you native arabic speaker?
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Thank you for all your replies. I have looked into The idea of it being a hoax but can't find much info on it. What is the pilgrimage then where is that to if there is no physical Mecca/bacca/Kaaba.
Does it meant that the black kabba that everyone goes to is not Islamic and we shouldn't go there for religious purpose?
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The so-called "Kaabah" of the Hijaz is a shrine dedicated to the planet Saturn. It was originally built in the 4th century AD by the tribe of Jurhum, who migrated from the Jawf area of Yemen. Nowadays it is surrounded by 5-star hotels and Masonic towers.
The Hajj mentioned in the Quran is no longer applicable today. Forget about it, and don't trouble yourself with this issue.
Peace.
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Thanks for your input pazuzu can you please tell me why it's not applicable today and was it to Mecca when it was applicable?
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'Ibd al-hajj is never ceased, nor even temporary stoped since muhammad age, I think ka'bah position is still the same just like what people used to come. I personaly went to ka'bah, and I saw sofa and marwa even though now it had 3 floor of building.
Dont forget about this verse
52 O you who have believed, do not violate the rites of Allah or the sacred month or the sacrificial animals and garlanding or those coming to the Sacred House seeking bounty from their Lord and approval. But when you come out of ihram, then hunt. And do not let the hatred of a people for having obstructed you from al-Masjid al-Haram lead you to transgress. And cooperate in righteousness and piety, but do not cooperate in sin and aggression. And fear Allah ; indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.
When I was on the bus, our bus insulting shiah who was visiting ali house, but as you might see, my people was wrong, they are in darkness. When you are doing hajj you are not allowed to do debate. And also, if youre not allowed to come to makkah dont let your hatred overwhelm you and you do injustice, let them be. Allah will help.
Peace be upon you.
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There are myriad problems with the literal quality of traditional interpretations about Hajj, Kabah and the so-called 'Masjed Haram', and all you get forth is a Pagan religion. But rationality has seldom been religious people's strong side concerning their practices.
And the cubic building covered in black was not always that form but it had an arch-shaped front which now only the remnants are there right in front of the building. You can see it on footage of the building. Sources indicate that the building fell apart due to erosion some half a millennium ago. The direction at which the building points with its original shape is towards Sinai alternative Jerusalem (I did some research a while ago). The building may have been a little church or similar in the beginning. It is a quite small building to have been erected as a temple for pilgrimage.
Quran avoids mentioning locations by name for a reason. The Mekkateh and Bakkateh are most likely a regular Arabic word in the discourse inferred to mean something which is does not by a bunch of ignorant people in the 800-900s who probably lens-read the text to be able to spot an innocent word to guess on a location to derive a Pagan site. They likely found 'Bekkah' in the Hebrew Tanakh and drew parallels and then begun to conjecture.
Quran is a spiritual guidance scripture, not a guide for this fleshy world. No locations need to be listed because the focus is on the moral lesson of the narratives.
People cannot even understand how to use the letter , so I am not expecting much though. A clue is that it exist in Hebrew too, like all other Arabic letters to except they have a different set of symbols, and in Hebrew you say 'teh' just as in Arabic. It is a contraction of and , for grammar reasons and refers to an entity with characteristics while the suggests implication on that entity as a result of the phrase in question. Same structure is used for the (in)famous aquyum assalateh, just because it suggests the person should adopt that characteristic "thereby".
Have faith
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Remember about Ibrahim wish to Allah. Arab was desert, there is almost difficult to grow wheat. By making people doing Al-hajj, people of arabic was helped because all muslims arround the world coming there brough food and animal to sacrificed. Alhajj is helping arab people to survive, and we cant let 'ibd al-hajj to cease, because it will be the death of the arabic.
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Please note that we as Muslims are not allowed to delve into occult science. So what I am saying here is only for random educational purpose.
This is what I found out from western satanists/masons who utilize the so called sacred geometry. Certain locations of the earth give off energies either in the form of negative or positive. It has something to do with what they call spiritual or ley lines. Bermuda triangle, they say gives off negative energy. As for Kabah, it gives off positive energy. Do note that birds don't fly over Kabah. They just circle around it.
Masons that is why recognize Kabah. They don't intend to destroy it. The Saudi Royal family who also happens to be in the same position as Rothschilds takes pride in maintaining the place. It has nothing do with Islam, but superstitious belief coming from occult science. For us, Kabah is holy. Thats all should matter. But its not bad sometimes to laugh at those who despise Islam, yet get dumbfounded by the amazing mysteries surrounding Kabah.
Do check out here how atheists are also amazed by Kabah http//www.atheistfoundation.org.au/forums/archive/index.php/t-2054.html
Here is one video that speaks about Kabah from occult perspectiveshttps//www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pH91Cule-M
Description The Core of Islamic Teachings is identical to Russellian Science and the Cubic Wave fields Model of a Sacred Geometrical Universe. What this video series demonstrates is that Islam is based on the higher knowledge obtained by communion with the Universal One. We all have access to this knowledge since we are all part of the One. Walter Russell received this same information about the Cube and the Sphere while caught up in a state of divine ecstasy for a period of 39 days in the 1920's. Walter Russell did not obtain this information from studying Islamic Teachings yet they are identical at their core. This is proof of the divine Nature of these transcendent truths. The Universe is a Sacred Geometrical Construct with the Creator centering and bounding all geometries from the sub atomic to the super galactic. All is one. As above so below. The entire Universe conforms to geometrical patterns based on the cube and sphere, which produce atom, solar systems and galaxies
Thing to note Kabah wasn't of cube shape before. It was rectangle. The shape has nothing to do with the positive energy spoken about by the other western satanists. I suppose its more about the ley line. They just don't have answer to why such energy flows from Kabah. All they say is that it can be felt or caught through experiment.
Here is another interesting fact, the tawaf done by people during Hajj is relevant to the direction of the movement of stars.
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peace reel, all,
Do note that birds don't fly over Kabah. They just circle around it.
False. See here for video.
For what the cuboid called Kaabah likely is, here is a good place to start
http//www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/history/arabic.txtNorth Arabia
Allah (al-Ilahah) "the God"
"Daughters of Allah"
Allat (Ilat) "the Goddess" Mother goddess, Goddess of
Taif (east of Mecca)
Shams Sun goddess
ash-Shiraq "the Rising One" (Male?)
Muharriq "the Burner" (Male?)
Chabou, Ka'bu Virgin Sun Mother of
Dhu-al-Shara/Dushares
al-Uzza, Lady `Uzzay-an "the Most Mighty." Planet Venus
ash-Sa'ida "The Blessed"
Azizos "the Powerful" Morning star
Monimos "the Benificent" Evening star
Manah, Manat , Maniya "Fate".
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Dhu-al-Shara/Dhu-'sh-Shara/Dushares {Block of
black stone, 4x2} Dying god, son of the Earth
mother. Sacred day, Dec 25.
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.Hubal Chief god of Ka'bah (Allah?)
Root entry in Lane's Lexicon for Kaf-Ayn-Ba
Quote "a house or temple belonging to the tribe of Rabee'ah, who used to compass it, or perform circuits round it (as is done round the Kabbeh of Mekkeh)".e.g. Book Mecca and Eden ritual, relics and territory in islam
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Such stones, especially black stones, were used as the main cult objects for the worship of other Arabian gods. According to Epiphanius the Nabatean God Dhu-shara (Dhu al Shara) was represented by something called "khaabou" which represented the deity. The Byzantine lexicographer Suidas reports that this was a black stone, roughly square, four feet high by two feet wide. Antoninus Placentinus relates that in Sinai the local Arabs had an idol which changed from snow white to pitch black..... Ibn al Kalbi relates that a number of Arab deities were represented by stonesDiscussed in more detail here
http//www.free-minds.org/Old/articles/science/language.htme.g.
In the fourth century AD, Epiphanius, the bishop of Salamis, Cyprus wrote a letter describing cults such as the Nabataean cult and their celebration of the festival of the birth of Dhu Al-Shaara around the winter solstice. It is interesting that the birth celebrations culminated with bringing forth from beneath the earth the image of the male infant idol, which was carried seven times around the inner sanctuary of the pagan temple.
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The celebration of the idol's birth around the winter solstice is also an indication of a relationship to the sun. The present cube structure of Dhu Al-Shaara in Saudi Arabia also has evidence of its pagan purpose. For example, the cube is aligned such that the Southeast corner is in the direction of the winter sunrise. Interestingly, in that corner lies the so-called Black Stone, which is the most revered object by sectarians who love to kiss and fondle it. -
Good information, Wakas. Thanks.
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False. See here for video.
Umm, they were doing the circling thing bro. The angle of the camera makes it look like they are on the top of the kabah. Look at it again.
Kabah was damaged by flood water. Qurayshis didnt have enough fund to put it back to rectangular shape. So ended up shrinking its size, turning it into a cube. But again, history says it was renovated too many times. Who made it is debatable. But Quran says Allah guided Prophet Ibrahim to construct it in that exact place. Traditionalists like to believe it was built by Prophet Adam. It has no foundation in Quran. Western historians like to claim it was made for pagan deities first.
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Umm, they were doing the circling thing bro. The angle of the camera makes it look like they are on the top of the kabah. Look at it again.
I have watched it several times. It seems blatantly obvious to me that roughly the same amount are flying in arcs (it's difficult to pick out one bird that did a complete circle) and others are flying from one side to another, from almost all directions, sometimes opposite directions.
You make some more false statements
Qurayshis didnt have enough fund to put it back to rectangular shape. So ended up shrinking its size, turning it into a cube.
False. It is not a cube, it is a cuboid.
Also, what evidence are you referring to about Quraysh funding?
But Quran says Allah guided Prophet Ibrahim to construct it in that exact place.
False. Actually, the Quran verses you are likely alluding to are referring to "bayt" or "al bayt al muharam" which may or may not be the same as "kaabah". Also, Quran never mentions him building anything in "Makkah", only "Bakkah" (not kaabah though) which only has weak evidence suggesting "Bakkah" is the same as "Makkah".
The cuboid called Kaabah that is in Mecca today has no Quranic evidence for it. The evidence is based on secondary sources, mixed with Quran interpolations, assumptions etc. Albeit it is the common view, but common is not equivalent to evidenced.
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The building in Mecca was a generic church-like building in the past. Its arch-shaped foundation which originally hosted a wall is aligned towards Sinai alternatively Jerusalem.
A building should never be walked around performing Pagan rituals and revered for this is in violation of the spiritual law of Moses making it an idol. A temple is supposed to be used inside as a place to go and grow spiritually.
Have faith
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I have watched it several times. It seems blatantly obvious to me that roughly the same amount are flying in arcs (it's difficult to pick out one bird that did a complete circle) and others are flying from one side to another, from almost all directions, sometimes opposite directions.
You make some more false statements
I don't see them fly over. I am looking for additional videos, but people just leave the angle of the camera towards the sky for which Kabah's part isnt showing up in them. Once I get a clear picture, I will believe it.
Qurayshis didnt have enough fund to put it back to rectangular shape. So ended up shrinking its size, turning it into a cube.
Typo there, cuboid, not cube.
Also, what evidence are you referring to about Quraysh funding?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=14305.165;wap2
False. Actually, the Quran verses you are likely alluding to are referring to "bayt" or "al bayt al muharam" which may or may not be the same as "kaabah". Also, Quran never mentions him building anything in "Makkah", only "Bakkah" (not kaabah though) which only has weak evidence suggesting "Bakkah" is the same as "Makkah".
And when We made the House a place of return for the people and security. And take, , from the standing place of Abraham a place of prayer. And We charged Abraham and Ishmael, , "Purify My House for those who perform Tawaf and those who are staying for worship and those who bow and prostrate ." 2125
And when Abraham was raising the foundations of the House and Ishmael, , "Our Lord, accept from us. Indeed You are the Hearing, the Knowing.2127
Example of foundation of a house (technical word of architects)
http//outbackbids.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/home-foundation.jpgAnd , when We designated for Abraham the site of the House, , "Do not associate anything with Me and purify My House for those who perform Tawaf and those who stand and those who bow and prostrate. 2226
And proclaim to the people the Hajj ; they will come to you on foot and on every lean camel; they will come from every distant pass -2227
Then let them end their untidiness and fulfill their vows and perform Tawaf around the ancient House."2229
There is an entire Surah called Hajj which mentions ancient house on and on.
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Harmony reel,
Those passages do not mention any physical house. The word used does not mean house but assembly. It is ignorant people who interpreted it in the beginning. It is supposed to say Abraham laid the foundation of the first assembly, and prayed for the land to be a one of affinity.
People who read them are merely beguiled.
Sources I know indicate that Solomon built the first temple.
Have faith
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There is an entire Surah called Hajj which mentions ancient house on and on.
That may well be, but I hope you realise the seemingly small but important point I am making, which was "...the Quran verses you are likely alluding to are referring to "bayt" or "al bayt al muharam" which may or may not be the same as "kaabah". Also, Quran never mentions him building anything in "Makkah", only "Bakkah" (not kaabah though) which only has weak evidence suggesting "Bakkah" is the same as "Makkah"."
As I said
The cuboid called Kaabah that is in Mecca today has no Quranic evidence for it. The evidence is based on secondary sources, mixed with Quran interpolations, assumptions etc. Albeit it is the common view, but common is not equivalent to evidenced.
For my view
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-masjid-al-haram-Quran.html
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.htmlOne of the interesting findings was how the Quranic evidence suggests "al bayt" (the shelter) can be a reference to a safe locality*. Much to my surprise, a good explanation for some of the traditions. What I have noticed is that generally speaking the traditions are a mix of truth and falsehood, but that does not mean everything in them is false. We can use The Quran as our criterion to determine which is which.
*Abraham brought such a place to fruition, hence us being recommended to follow his blueprint, or in Quran parlance "...take from the status (maqam) of Abraham a time/place of blessing (musalla)..."
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Peace Hawk.
A good question!
However , we humans have all sorts of weird and wonderful answers according to our weird and wonderful opinions/beliefs/lack of them...etc?
That is why GOD sends messengers!!!!!!
And we also have the choice to follow GOD and His messenger or "others"?
GOD bless you.
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That is why GOD sends messengers!!!!!!
And if people could just stop perverting information and fabricating what is not true, then those messengers who were would have been enough who already were.
But the truth is quite much easier than people want to make it. You have the old Guidelines of Moses yes? And you may have heard what Jesus had to say about them? And you have understood the parables of gaining affinity with Allah and the realm?
In case you do, then you need no additional messenger.
Have faith
