Bakka/Mecca

TellMeTheTruth

Salam!

Here is what I think
The First House for human beings was constructed by Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala, which is the Earth where all enjoyment and provisions are created for rhem. Its ceiling is constructed without pillars and the Lord is established upon its Roof/Throne . This is your Qibla and this is the Truth. Although He, the god, is near than our life vessels still He is established on . Turn your faces towards His throne. Iblis is to attack humans from their front, back, left and right so they need to protect themselves by calling upon God who is the Best Protector. (there is no need of a physical walled house/city to avoid evil). Reflect upon his signs and make sure that He is the only one who can save you from evil. Be obedient to Him and don't do wrong to have His mercy. If you think that you have done something wrong then weep and seek forgiveness and weep/cry as much as you can in order to get His attention and mercy . He will accept your repentence . He will guide you through His messages regarding the right and straight path of living this temporary worldly life . Everyone who calls upon Him only is your brother/sister and member of the House/Family . Ibrahim AS accepted these rules of the House and preached the same.
Note 1 If you are looking for a physical House/ then be sure that the first inhabited walled city was in Jericho in order to protect inhabitants and travellers to be safe from physical dangers like wild animals, lootees, enemies, etc. The second walled city buult by Jews was probably at Jerusalem. Letter means a boundary wall with an entrance/gate.
Note 2 If you are looking for a physical garden where Adam and Eve lived then look for it in Florida. A lot of links point towards Florida/North America.

Peace!

IGotQuestions

Salaam All,
Here is another possible rendering of 2158

'Inna A-af Wa Al-Marwata Min Sha'iri Allhi Faman ajja Al-Bayta 'Aw Atamara Fal Juna Alayhi 'An Yaawwafa Bihim Wa Man Taawwaa Khayran Fa'inna Allha Shkirun `Almun

Indeed, the stone and the rock outcropping are among the symbols of God. So whoever makes Pilgrimage to the Sanctuary, or is merely passing through, commits no error should he traverse them. And whoever donates for goodness, then God is Thankful, Knowledgeable.

https//www.islamawakened.com/quran/roots/Sad-Fa-Waw.html?fbclid=IwAR2LRRQWS1lTZA4waBvFTz2iF9bJnzvMqCnuemjVdPDRkH68o6qutuuEgsk

This seems to fit more in line with Jerusalem. Any thoughts?

Wakas

Re 2158
See http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.html

Jane

I have been researching Dan Gibson's theory about Petra and Mecca. Could it be possible that the Mecca of today is not the Mecca of the Prophet (S) and the Mecca mentioned in the Qur'an? If Mecca was such a important and significant city, how come it doesn't appear on any maps until the 7th or 8th centuries respectively?

I just came across Dan Gibson's YouTube channel yesterday and have watched 2/3 of his videos already. I am practically speechless I am so shocked at what he's revealed. I went from thinking Sam Gerrans was crazy for making a video saying Muhammad was not from Mecca to watching Dan's work to 100% believing the Petra is the real Bacca theory in less than 24hrs. I'm still kind of in shock actually. Just how much have we been lied to???

Abaddon

Religion is the worst thing. Dogmas need to be destroyed completely.

Iyyaka

I just came across Dan Gibson's YouTube channel yesterday and have watched 2/3 of his videos already. I am practically speechless I am so shocked at what he's revealed. I went from thinking Sam Gerrans was crazy for making a video saying Muhammad was not from Mecca to watching Dan's work to 100% believing the Petra is the real Bacca theory in less than 24hrs. I'm still kind of in shock actually. Just how much have we been lied to???

Salam Jane,

ISLAM at the time of the prophet was not a term to designate a religion and also to be a proper name BUT to express a RELATIONSHIP between man and god and so between man..
This transformation "ISLAM-RELATION" into "ISLAM-RELIGION" involved a number of changes starting with a distortion of the meaning of important words from the Quran.
Try this exercice make a board and try to compare these 3 cities to see which one best fit the Qur'anic criterias "Modern Mecca", "Jérusalem" and "Petra". You will be surprise..After you have archeological facts or textual facts to make your opinion.

Why people had adopted, after the death of Muhammad (peace be upon him), very quickly (Following the tradition) the changing from a luni-solar calendar to a lunar calendar ?
Why the term RIBA means for the big majority of the "Muslims" "interest rate" unlike in the quran ? etc..These answers are in the quran himself.

NB It permits us to better understand the passage of surah Al-Kahf from ayats 1892 to 1896..

Peace

huruf

¿why restrict it to those three? The research of kamal Salibi en others who have continued his path shows it would rather be in southeast Arabia. There is more than a lot speaking for it.

Are we again being sold into The Holy Land brand?

Salaam

Jane

Salam

I agree Islam is The Faith and what is taught is not.

I've already been comparing the different possible Meccas.

I'm 99% convinced Valley Of Bacca is modern day Petra. Jerusalem is as nonsensical as Mecca, S.A. IMO.

Abraham was never hanging around in the vast Arabian desert never mind further than that. I think the southeast Arabia is the real Holy Land theory is just wishful thinking IMO. The Irish used to believe they were the lost tribes of Israel. The Holy Land is the Fertile Crescent. Plus maybe Medina.

Mecca cannot be Jerusalem though. Abraham was in Sumer then in Canaan and sent Ishmael to Bacca (Petra). The Qur'an says Ishmael's descendants grew up in an uncultivated valley so Muhammad can't have come from Jerusalem or anywhere near it.

Wakas

peace all,

Over the years my studies have led me to think the specific/original location is not relevant anymore and that is why we struggle to pinpoint its location with certainty. This is deliberate and part of God's plan. Having a specific/set location would make people automatically assign sacredness to that location (and its relics) which would go against the message of Quran (i.e. against object worship, holy locations etc). I briefly discuss this here with references.

Sarah

peace all,

Over the years my studies have led me to think the specific/original location is not relevant anymore and that is why we struggle to pinpoint its location with certainty. This is deliberate and part of God's plan. Having a specific/set location would make people automatically assign sacredness to that location (and its relics) which would go against the message of Quran (i.e. against object worship, holy locations etc). I briefly discuss this here with references.

Peace Wakas,

I went on your link- haven't read it yet but it says 'Not secure'...why's that?

Wakas

Peace Wakas,

I went on your link- haven't read it yet but it says 'Not secure'...why's that?

Google Chrome recently updated the way its browser identifies/displays website security status (I think last year). It just means the website does not have its own security certificate to verify it is the genuine/correct website and secure the data you input in it. For static pages where you dont input any data it's no big deal. You can even disable this setting in chrome if you want. In reality the chances of a website domain being spoofed/hacked is very low. I've personally never encountered it and usually only happens if one visits unknown links found in spam emails etc.

almarh0m

Salam All

If the search for a "holy land" or Bacca, must continue, should you not start with the place where Nabi Musa was speaking to Allah and told to take off his footwear because he was standing on Wadi Al Quds ? To me, every inch of Allah's earth is holy and sacred. Just imagine the 2nd class believers who could not afford to travel to the so called holy land, there must be billions of them in the pasts and present.

Peace

Sarah

Google Chrome recently updated the way its browser identifies/displays website security status (I think last year). It just means the website does not have its own security certificate to verify it is the genuine/correct website and secure the data you input in it. For static pages where you dont input any data it's no big deal. You can even disable this setting in chrome if you want. In reality the chances of a website domain being spoofed/hacked is very low. I've personally never encountered it and usually only happens if one visits unknown links found in spam emails etc.

Thanks for replying. So hopefully it will be secure then (not that I think you're a hacker but you know, just making sure why it said not secure).